Was Empire reveal spoiled by novelization?

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Obviously pre-internet times would have helped conceal the big reveal in Empire Strikes Back more in 1980 than it would nowadays, but does anyone here remember reading the book before the film was released or hearing about it in advance?
 
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I remember buying the book. It was the first time I went to Safeway with my own money. I bought a pack of Snoopy colouring pencils and the TESB novelisation.

I also remember not reading it so no , the end wasn't revealed to me. I waived my rights to a spoiler free movie when it came to ROTJ though, so I knew about Yoda's death and Luke's relationship to Leia.

As a self-punishment I wouldn't let myself see the movie until I'd finished the book, and I was so PO'd that I ruined the movie by reading the book that I stopped reading it. I ended up seeing ROTJ a month after it came out and it remains the only SW movie I haven't seen in the opening week. We then moved to the UK where it hadn't been released and I got offered a ticket to see it on opening night but I decided that was a cop-out and wouldn't count. I was dumb back then.

FWIW I still have that copy of the TESB novelisation. And the Snoopy colouring pencils were rubbish. I don't have those anymore.
 
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Obviously pre-internet times would have helped conceal the big reveal in Empire Strikes Back more in 1980 than it would nowadays, but does anyone here remember reading the book before the film was released or hearing about it in advance?
I was a teen at the time and sat through 2 viewings of STAR TREK The Motion Picture just to see the Empire trailer. I was never more excited for a movie, I would draw and paint characters and scenes from the film, and discuss Empire with all of my friends. An older friend of mine had purchased the novelization of Empire and read it. The next time he saw me he asked with evil enthusiasm "So...How do you feel about Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker's father?" As if I knew anything about it. I remember feeling very odd after he told me, and I didn't really believe him. It was a crappy thing to do to a friend, lol. (I still loved the movie but I knew what to expect at the important part)
Its interesting that the Vader father part was so important to George Lucas that David Prowse was given phony lines to say so the big secret wouldn't get out, but then have it disclosed by a book before the films release.
 
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It is pretty obvious from early drafts and what we see in the movies that George did not originally envision the Skywalker family relationship.
Vader was just a henchman in the first film. Prowse made a guess during that interview and I doubt that Lucas had cemented the lineage at the time he said it.
The movie, I am your Father talks about this. I'm sure it has also been talked about in other places.
 
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For as much as everything is so guarded today, even when TPM came out, the novel was released weeks ahead of time. Even though I bought it right away, I refused to read it until after I'd seen th movie. But Maul's & Qui-Gon's respective deaths were spoiled for anyone who chose to read it (or in Qui-Gon's case, read the back of the CD case. I still can't believe they allowed THAT one to even be listed as the title of the musical segment!).
 
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I remember a few days before The Phantom Menace was released I was at Newbury Comics and looking through the CD's. I saw the Phantom Menace soundtrack and picked it up only to see "Qui-Gon's Noble End" as one of the song's on the disc... Couldn't they have just called it THE Noble End or something...
 
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I had the Empire novelization before I saw the movie, but I held off reading it until after a couple of viewings. Same with the Jedi novelization.
I tried hard to remain a spoiler-free kid. :)
 
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I read my Scholastic book when it came out, and even as a kid I hated surprises. I don't get this "no spoiler' thing, never have. I actually want to know if I will like something or not before wasting my time watching it.

Did it ruin it? Not really, I think I just believed he was lying, and in the movie it would make more sense. Which of course it did not. So personally no, it did not ruin it for me. On a related note, I worked at a marketing agency for items for TPM and knew quite a bit before seeing it, mostly that Maul died and he was cut in two. I was more curious to see it happen LOL.
 
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I managed to stay completely Spoiler free for TPM...that was until dear old MOM made me watch a red carpet thing before leaving for the first show....Dennis Leary's kid was asked by a reporter "What was your favorite part?" and the lil' bastard said "When the bad guy gets cut in half".... I wanted to crawl inside that TV and slap the taste outta their mouths. To this day MOM dvr's Star Wars stuff, and i remind her of that incident.
 
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I actually read the novelization a couple days before the midnight showing for TPM (I had the Obi Wan cover). Since I already knew most of the major plots points (Qui Gon dying and Maul cut in two) I decided to read it before seeing it. I liked the book much better as it turned out...
 
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read the book before seeing the movie and it was "spoiled" for me. I say "spoiled", because it was still a huge and unexpected plot twist, so I still got an emotional reaction from it (though I remember not really believing it was true until after RotJ came out). It wasn't spoiled in the same sense of someone just blurting it out ala Homer Simpson.

Now the twist in RotJ WAS spoiled for me by a kid in my gym class who saw the movie before me and spoiled the reveal of who the "other" was that Yoda referred to in TESB.
 
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Having grown up in a strict religious household where we weren't allowed to go to the movies, I read the movie storybooks to all three movies long before seeing any of them.

I also read everything out of order: the ROTJ storybook was first, then Star Wars, and ESB was last.

I finally saw Star Wars for the first time in February 1984, when it debuted on network television. Then I watched ESB and ROTJ in the summer of 1986, but they were VHS recordings of the HBO broadcasts. As much as I hate to say it, after years of anticipation and knowing the full story so far in advance, I was pretty underwhelmed after my first viewing of ESB and ROTJ. 6 years of anticipation for ESB and 3 years for ROTJ, I just expected more.

To this day, I've still never seen Star Wars or ESB in a movie theater. I was deployed to Bosnia in 1997 and missed the Special Edition releases of the first two, but I did catch the very last showing of ROTJ: SE at the dollar theater the weekend I got back from deployment.
 
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I remember buying the book. It was the first time I went to Safeway with my own money. I bought a pack of Snoopy colouring pencils and the TESB novelisation.

I also remember not reading it so no , the end wasn't revealed to me. I waived my rights to a spoiler free movie when it came to ROTJ though, so I knew about Yoda's death and Luke's relationship to Leia.

As a self-punishment I wouldn't let myself see the movie until I'd finished the book, and I was so PO'd that I ruined the movie by reading the book that I stopped reading it. I ended up seeing ROTJ a month after it came out and it remains the only SW movie I haven't seen in the opening week. We then moved to the UK where it hadn't been released and I got offered a ticket to see it on opening night but I decided that was a cop-out and wouldn't count. I was dumb back then.

FWIW I still have that copy of the TESB novelisation. And the Snoopy colouring pencils were rubbish. I don't have those anymore.
They'd be some legendary colouring pencils if you still had them today.

I still have all three novelisations somewhere in the house.

Disgraceful carry on with you reading RotJ first. Shameful :oops:
 
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I was a teen at the time and sat through 2 viewings of STAR TREK The Motion Picture just to see the Empire trailer. I was never more excited for a movie, I would draw and paint characters and scenes from the film, and discuss Empire with all of my friends. An older friend of mine had purchased the novelization of Empire and read it. The next time he saw me he asked with evil enthusiasm "So...How do you feel about Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker's father?" As if I knew anything about it. I remember feeling very odd after he told me, and I didn't really believe him. It was a crappy thing to do to a friend, lol. (I still loved the movie but I knew what to expect at the important part)
Its interesting that the Vader father part was so important to George Lucas that David Prowse was given phony lines to say so the big secret wouldn't get out, but then have it disclosed by a book before the films release.
Trailers used to be at the end of movies in the US?

What became of the jackass that spoiled it? I can imagine what the odd feeling you had was like.
 
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For as much as everything is so guarded today, even when TPM came out, the novel was released weeks ahead of time. Even though I bought it right away, I refused to read it until after I'd seen th movie. But Maul's & Qui-Gon's respective deaths were spoiled for anyone who chose to read it (or in Qui-Gon's case, read the back of the CD case. I still can't believe they allowed THAT one to even be listed as the title of the musical segment!).
It isn't really much of a surprise that the guy who is Kenobi's teacher would die in the movie. We knew Obi-Wan was going to be the mentor to Anakin. Plus in watching the movie for the first time and seeing that it was focused very much on Qui-Gon, it was obvious that it would have to have the older Jedi die in order for the student to be the hero.
 
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Having grown up in a strict religious household where we weren't allowed to go to the movies, I read the movie storybooks to all three movies long before seeing any of them.

I also read everything out of order: the ROTJ storybook was first, then Star Wars, and ESB was last.

I finally saw Star Wars for the first time in February 1984, when it debuted on network television. Then I watched ESB and ROTJ in the summer of 1986, but they were VHS recordings of the HBO broadcasts. As much as I hate to say it, after years of anticipation and knowing the full story so far in advance, I was pretty underwhelmed after my first viewing of ESB and ROTJ. 6 years of anticipation for ESB and 3 years for ROTJ, I just expected more.

To this day, I've still never seen Star Wars or ESB in a movie theater. I was deployed to Bosnia in 1997 and missed the Special Edition releases of the first two, but I did catch the very last showing of ROTJ: SE at the dollar theater the weekend I got back from deployment.
And then the Covid lockdown prevented you from seeing the 40th anniversary rerelease of TESB?
 
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I moved about a week or so before that was released and, unfortunately, there wasn't a theater open within 100 miles of where I moved to.
It was released in cinemas over here recently (A lot franchise movie were too to get bums on seats).

Would love any chance to the six originals on a big screen but the Covid situation has me very confused. Infections are on the rise again the authorities are. contradicting themselves. Pubs need to stay closed except ones that serve food. No large gatherings except at weddings. ETC.

Sooner or later there will a Star Wars marathon at cinemas.
 
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It was released in cinemas over here recently (A lot franchise movie were too to get bums on seats).

Would love any chance to the six originals on a big screen but the Covid situation has me very confused. Infections are on the rise again the authorities are. contradicting themselves. Pubs need to stay closed except ones that serve food. No large gatherings except at weddings. ETC.

Sooner or later there will a Star Wars marathon at cinemas.
I was considered an essential worker at my last job, so I never got any time off and never really took any precautions whatsoever either. I only wear a mask when it's absolutely required of me. I've even come into physical contact with people who later tested positive for the virus and everything has been completely fine.

If the theater in my town reopens and plays any of the OT movies, then I'll go see them without worrying about a virus.
 
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I was considered an essential worker at my last job, so I never got any time off and never really took any precautions whatsoever either. I only wear a mask when it's absolutely required of me. I've even come into physical contact with people who later tested positive for the virus and everything has been completely fine.

If the theater in my town reopens and plays any of the OT movies, then I'll go see them without worrying about a virus.
I didn't mean to go off topic with the Covid stuff don't even remember doing it.

Now it is going off topic again but I have to say it - that is a very irresponsible attitude and it is that kind of thinking that is the Eason the world is not getting back to normal.

You know you carry the infection and not show symptoms, right?
 
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You know you carry the infection and not show symptoms, right?
I keep up with the news, but it's been decades since I've blindly trusted anything I've seen on any mainstream news source.

As far as pandemics go, this will go down in history as one of the least deadly pandemics in the history of the human race.

However, there is talk about a resurgence of the bubonic plague in China and THAT is something to be concerned about. The current mortality rate for COVID-19 is like 0.04%. And if you subtract those who had preexisting conditions (in other words, those people who were going to die anyway, before catching the Coronavirus), even that drops by more than 90%, taking the mortality rate down to 0.004%. The mortality rate for the bubonic plague during the Middle Ages was 40-50%.
 
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Yet now it can basically be cleared up with antibiotics.
It's still a pretty major incident whenever a case of the bubonic plague shows up on US soil. If it's not diagnosed soon enough, it is highly deadly and regardless of the severity, the CDC must always be notified when someone tests positive inside our borders.

With the massive homeless problem in states like California, with people defecating in the streets, an outbreak of the bubonic plague is becoming increasingly likely.
 
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I keep up with the news, but it's been decades since I've blindly trusted anything I've seen on any mainstream news source.

As far as pandemics go, this will go down in history as one of the least deadly pandemics in the history of the human race.

However, there is talk about a resurgence of the bubonic plague in China and THAT is something to be concerned about. The current mortality rate for COVID-19 is like 0.04%. And if you subtract those who had preexisting conditions (in other words, those people who were going to die anyway, before catching the Coronavirus), even that drops by more than 90%, taking the mortality rate down to 0.004%. The mortality rate for the bubonic plague during the Middle Ages was 40-50%.
Those people "who were going to die anyway " could have lived another few years before being infected by someone who didn't take precautions

0.04 ? People use percentages to make numbers seem like less

Over 796,000 deaths
 
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Those people "who were going to die anyway " could have lived another few years before being infected by someone who didn't take precautions

0.04 ? People use percentages to make numbers seem like less

Over 796,000 deaths
That's the worldwide number? Assuming that number is even accurate and not just "this guy died in a car accident, but he had COVID-19, so we're just going to add him to the COVID-19 bodycount." I'm sure the actual death count is much, much lower.
 
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That's the worldwide number? Assuming that number is even accurate and not just "this guy died in a car accident, but he had COVID-19, so we're just going to add him to the COVID-19 bodycount." I'm sure the actual death count is much, much lower.
Sure it is all a conspiracy.
 
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