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One thing this line is lacking is vehicles, who’s up for some retro vehicles in this line? Is there enough interest in seeing any?

In terms of packaging, it would be pretty similar to TVC but maybe the vehicles/beasts could be more simplistic similar to the real vintage line So that there’s a difference between the two. Maybe even include a vintage carded figure to tie it all together better.

eg Retro Landspeeder with a carded Luke Skywalker w/poncho, floppy hat and rifle to complete the look.

Any ideas on what you’d like to see made?
 
Things I love to see (granted I am afraid of the price looks at speeder bike)

Landspeeder

Mini rigs (the appeal of these as a kid is that they were affordable for a kid without saving all Sumer for one)

I never liked the vintage style of backgrounds with other characters painted into the scene…..

Minus that comment a Paltoy Death Star would be fun.

I wouldn’t be interested in a Death Star, cantina or other recreations that couldn’t work with modern figures.
 
This was discussed at length in another thread, but I'm doubting that they can reissue Kenner vehicles at pricepoints that consumers will tolerate, because they'd have to recreate them from digital scans alone, which would likely push these close to TVC pricepoints. I'm willing to bet the tooling and part counts will result in high prices, so any attempt at a large vehicle at retail will probably result in unavoidable clearance. Part of the draw to Retro is a lower price (though not by much), so they'd have to do something with simple construction, and minimal investment to keep the MSRP low enough to be profitable and marketable at the same time. I think mini-rigs and small creatures is where they should start, so long as the prices are reasonable enough that the majority can be sold before hitting clearance.

My preference would be for a Blurrg, constructed like the Kenner Dewback, but half the size. I've wanted this creature since the Ewoks: Battle for Endor movie, so it could serve the demand from different segments of fandom, whether movies, animation, or streaming series - all of which featured the Blurrg, but no 3.75 release has been forthcoming.
 
I would be in for smaller vehicles. I've never been a mini-rig guy, but screen used things like the Landspeeder, Speeder Bike, I'd bite on. But I've resolved overall to not buy mid or larger size vehicles from any figure line, if I can control myself (size and space, that old song). And I'm liking the Jazwares line to scratch that itch anyway.

Like stealthboy said, playsets or display environments I'd be very interested in. I'd love to see beasts reissued, Dewback, Rancor, Taun Taun, etc.
 
stealthboy said:
IMHO Hasbro is just throwing away money because they haven't put out the base + cardboard playsets like the land of the Jawas, cantina adventure, creature cantina, Hoth playset, etc.
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The Cantina is a dream item for me as I didn't get it when I was a kid, it goes for silly money these days, throw in a carded Wuher and it would sell by the truckload.
 
darth_sidious said:
This was discussed at length in another thread, but I'm doubting that they can reissue Kenner vehicles at pricepoints that consumers will tolerate, because they'd have to recreate them from digital scans alone, which would likely push these close to TVC pricepoints. I'm willing to bet the tooling and part counts will result in high prices, so any attempt at a large vehicle at retail will probably result in unavoidable clearance. Part of the draw to Retro is a lower price (though not by much), so they'd have to do something with simple construction, and minimal investment to keep the MSRP low enough to be profitable and marketable at the same time. I think mini-rigs and small creatures is where they should start, so long as the prices are reasonable enough that the majority can be sold before hitting clearance.

My preference would be for a Blurrg, constructed like the Kenner Dewback, but half the size. I've wanted this creature since the Ewoks: Battle for Endor movie, so it could serve the demand from different segments of fandom, whether movies, animation, or streaming series - all of which featured the Blurrg, but no 3.75 release has been forthcoming.
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They wouldn't have to recreate anything. They have all the existing vintage molds already, as those are the same molds they used back in the POTF2 days. At some point between 1996 and 2010, Hasbro reused every vintage vehicle mold at least once, with exception of the mini rigs, Star Destroyer and Troop Transport. Unless something catastrophic happened, there is no reason why they shouldn't still have them. The only mold we know they lost was the Falcon, because the tooling finally broke after the 2005 reissue. I do agree that the cost of these vehicles would probably be ridiculously high in today's market.
 
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DJ121 said:
They wouldn't have to recreate anything. They have all the existing vintage molds already, as those are the same molds they used back in the POTF2 days. At some point between 1996 and 2010, Hasbro reused every vintage vehicle mold at least once, with exception of the mini rigs, Star Destroyer and Troop Transport. Unless something catastrophic happened, there is no reason why they shouldn't still have them. The only mold we know they lost was the Falcon, because the tooling finally broke after the 2005 reissue. I do agree that the cost of these vehicles would probably be ridiculously high in today's market.
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If the Legacy era molds are gone, there is little chance anything from POTF2 is floating around and ready to start pressing new vehicles. Not to mention, most, if not all POTF2 molds were altered from the Kenner originals, some were slight changes, but they were reissues not exact reproductions, like with the Retro line. I was of course referring to the original Kenner molds though, all of which are long gone, some are in private collections, but none are at Hasbro factories and useable. I have little doubt that they'd be scanning ships, just like they do Kenner figures, and rebuilding the tooling. If the POTF2 molds survived, perhaps they could alter them once again, but I'd be very surprised if they were still viable all these years later. If they are, it would save on some significant tooling costs, but then they'd really be POTF2 reissues with updated date stamps, so who knows how they'd be received, especially at high pricepoints - I wouldn't buy POTF2 reissues, when I can find them cheaper on the secondary market...
 
After Tanks for the memories debacle I don’t think Hasbro will ever try to reuse older molds. It’s better to scan in things & recreate molds that won’t break in the foreseeable future.
 
darth_sidious said:
If the Legacy era molds are gone, there is little chance anything from POTF2 is floating around and ready to start pressing new vehicles. Not to mention, most, if not all POTF2 molds were altered from the Kenner originals, some were slight changes, but they were reissues not exact reproductions, like with the Retro line. I was of course referring to the original Kenner molds though, all of which are long gone, some are in private collections, but none are at Hasbro factories and useable. I have little doubt that they'd be scanning ships, just like they do Kenner figures, and rebuilding the tooling. If the POTF2 molds survived, perhaps they could alter them once again, but I'd be very surprised if they were still viable all these years later. If they are, it would save on some significant tooling costs, but then they'd really be POTF2 reissues with updated date stamps, so who knows how they'd be received, especially at high pricepoints - I wouldn't buy POTF2 reissues, when I can find them cheaper on the secondary market...
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What Legacy era molds are you talking about? Everything released in the Legacy era used the same molds as the POTF2 or was made bigger, like the wings on a TIE fighter or the X-Wing. We know those molds still exist, because a few years ago Walmart got that exclusive TIE and Target got the Rogue One X-Wing. As for the molds used for POTF2, I'm pretty sure Hasbro went on record and said they were the original Kenner molds, but did make some changes to them like updated copyright and closing off battery compartments or things like that. I could be wrong, though. The Falcon mold had been re-tooled like three or four times, and it was due to so many changes and uses that it broke beyond repair, giving Mark the green light to create the Legacy Falcon.
 
DJ121 said:
What Legacy era molds are you talking about? Everything released in the Legacy era used the same molds as the POTF2 or was made bigger, like the wings on a TIE fighter or the X-Wing. We know those molds still exist, because a few years ago Walmart got that exclusive TIE and Target got the Rogue One X-Wing. As for the molds used for POTF2, I'm pretty sure Hasbro went on record and said they were the original Kenner molds, but did make some changes to them like updated copyright and closing off battery compartments or things like that. I could be wrong, though. The Falcon mold had been re-tooled like three or four times, and it was due to so many changes and uses that it broke beyond repair, giving Mark the green light to create the Legacy Falcon.
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No, I'm referring to the Legacy era molds that apparently can't be accounted for, which leads me to believe even older POTF2 molds might fall into this category as well. Not to mention, Hasbro has changed factories at times over the years, so any of the antique molds might not be as readily available as some might assume. Like I say, the POTF2 molds, while based on the Kenner originals, aren't actually the same - take a look at a comparison shot or examine your own samples - some of the tooling to construct them is even different, other parts are the same or similar. I think this is getting further from the point though, even if they reissued some of these POTF2 molds, they'd probably charge TVC prices, and for a Retro assortment, where a lower price is expected, and I'd argue necessary, they likely wouldn't be able to sell them at high pricepoints.
 
DJ121 said:
They wouldn't have to recreate anything. They have all the existing vintage molds already, as those are the same molds they used back in the POTF2 days. At some point between 1996 and 2010, Hasbro reused every vintage vehicle mold at least once, with exception of the mini rigs, Star Destroyer and Troop Transport. Unless something catastrophic happened, there is no reason why they shouldn't still have them. The only mold we know they lost was the Falcon, because the tooling finally broke after the 2005 reissue. I do agree that the cost of these vehicles would probably be ridiculously high in today's market.
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Add Rebel Transport and Cloud Car to that list.


To be honest, going with Hasbro's "save the environment" theme , I think they should try a take on reclaim and reuse.

Tying in with the salvage yards we see in Andor, the Mandalorian and so on, I wouldn't mind vehicle accessory kits sold as part of a junk dealer playset.

Like have replacement, or alternate X-Wing, B-Wing and Y-Wing parts as part of a Ferrix scrapyard set or Jakku dealership. Let us Hot Rod a vintage X-Wing shell Mando-Style.

Then a Karthon Chop-Fields set with an AT-AT head that is a new "damaged" accessory/playset piece but with removable guns and cockpit hatch that can double as replacement parts for vintage and POTF2, even an AT-ST hatch and gun set as well on a half tore open AT-ST head which doubles as a workers hut.

Or give us a set with Offworld Jawas and a mix of spare parts galore.
 
One way that Hasblow could do vehicles and save on costs (which would bring down the price point), is what vintage Joe vehicles did and make it a kit you put together.

That was a blast as a kid! You get the vehicles and had to assemble them like a snap model. Yet they were durable and well made. Saves assembly costs and time to market. Makes it fun for collectors and kids.

The whole concept that it would be outrageously expensive is crap. The whole purpose of using off shore production is because it's cheaper. Yes I know we've all pontificated and made excuses as to why Hasblow can't get us great products at attractive prices, but c'mon Hasbeen, it's like there isn't a creative brain cell to share with anyone that works there.
 
VideoViper said:
After Tanks for the memories debacle I don’t think Hasbro will ever try to reuse older molds. It’s better to scan in things & recreate molds that won’t break in the foreseeable future.
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Whats Tanks for the memories? Sound G.I.Joe related.
 
VaderJay said:
One way that Hasblow could do vehicles and save on costs (which would bring down the price point), is what vintage Joe vehicles did and make it a kit you put together.

That was a blast as a kid! You get the vehicles and had to assemble them like a snap model. Yet they were durable and well made. Saves assembly costs and time to market. Makes it fun for collectors and kids.

The whole concept that it would be outrageously expensive is crap. The whole purpose of using off shore production is because it's cheaper. Yes I know we've all pontificated and made excuses as to why Hasblow can't get us great products at attractive prices, but c'mon Hasbeen, it's like there isn't a creative brain cell to share with anyone that works there.
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I have to make a distinction, just because we repeat the rationale that Hasbro puts out there, doesn't mean we all believe their excuses, lol. I think they can produce most of their products at a lower MSRP and remain very profitable, they're just greedy (the CEO even said how their focus is to increase profit). There are of course real-world issues that cause price increases, but I don't believe they fall in line with what Hasbro is asking of consumers. The reality of the situation is that they'll continue with business as usual unless we say that's enough of these inflated prices. We're lucky Retro didn't get another price bump this year, as they might jump above $12, and sales will likely plummet. For example, the basic Retro figures use less parts, deco, articulation, packaging, etc than the Solo basic figures, yet cost $3-4 more. Of course, that was a number of years ago for the last basic movie line, but I have little doubt that Hasbro could release Retro for $8-9, just like those figures, and still be profitable, they just want more of our money, while we're still willing to toss it at them, lol. When it comes to potential Retro vehicles, I'm not sure most people are willing to pay the premium that Hasbro might ask...
 
In a perfect world Id be down for some mini-rigs and other 3.75 vehicles, but with Hasbros greed Im pretty sure those days are over. If a tiny Transformer deluxe is $25, and their N1 is an asinine $130, Im rather glad they aren’t offering vehicles. I’ve never really been interested in creatures tbh.
 
VideoViper said:
It was a GI Joe Hasbro project long before my time.

A lot of people paid for tanks only for Hasbro to find out the Mobat tank molds were damaged/unusable.
http://generalsjoesreborn.com/reviews/2007/exclusives/conset07-1.html
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To be fair, that wasn't Hasbro. It was the former GIJoe collectors club (a third party), it was the old Mauler tank. The molds broke during production. Twice even, the club paid for the repairs the first time. But it broke again because it wasn't repaired correctly. The club really fouled things up, and Hasbro was not happy. A lot of rumors at the time that Hasbro almost pulled the club's license over it. The club had to refund everyone's pre-orders, and the club supposedly almost went broke over it. They had spent most of that money on repairing the Mauler mold and had to pay something of a fine to Hasbro for breaking the Mauler mold.

But back on topic. I'd love to see Retro Collection vehicles!

I had mentioned it once over in I think it was the vintage collecting section. They said that the old Kenner/POTF2 molds are long gone and some are even in private collections. But what with 3D scanning/printing and all of that, it would be fairly easy to recreate those old vehicles now. They could kick it off with some of the most iconic vehicles of not just the Kenner line, but classic Star Wars as well.

The Millennium Falcon, especially with Mr. Boudreaux recent passing. What better way to pay respects and honor him than to make his original Millennium Falcon the flagship of a new Retro Vehicle Collection.

Of course Han and Chewie gotta have something to shoot at right ? An original release white TIE Fighter and a matching white X-Wing. That would be three of the hardest vintage vehicles to find in good shape that aren't yellowed. A TIE Pilot and X-Wing Luke as well. To go with the fighters, or even included in the boxes.

They could get some milage out of those releases too. A couple of repaints for the TIE Fighter, grey (like Vader's TIE and the Interceptor) and classic Battle Damage Blue. The X-Wing, Battle Damage release, Blue Leader's X-Wing from Rogue One, and a Mandalorian release with stickers for both Trapper Wolf and Carson Teva.

And the recent Biker Scout needs a Speeder Bike too!
 
I'd love to see a whole line of Retro Collection vehicles AND playsets get released ! Collecting true vintage stuff is cool too. But , it sure is nice to be able to get brand new , mint fresh figures for reasonable prices. I'd love a Retro Collection Sears Cantina !

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VideoViper said:
Mini rigs (the appeal of these as a kid is that they were affordable for a kid without saving all Sumer for one)

I never liked the vintage style of backgrounds with other characters painted into the scene…..

Minus that comment a Paltoy Death Star would be fun.

I wouldn’t be interested in a Death Star, cantina or other recreations that couldn’t work with modern figures.
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A half-ball Death Star that combines both stations and has movie accurate but painted wall details that make it work for both retro and modern figures would be sweet.

The Star Wars Clue game did a nice job.
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I'd be especially interested in a Cloud City Playset that more closely emulates the design of the saucer shape than the original vintage cardboard playset.
 
Tyranusspotting said:
A half-ball Death Star that combines both stations and has movie accurate but painted wall details that make it work for both retro and modern figures would be sweet.

The Star Wars Clue game did a nice job.
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I'd be especially interested in a Cloud City Playset that more closely emulates the design of the saucer shape than the original vintage cardboard playset.
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It was C-3PO with the hydro spanner in the garbage compactor!!!
 
I never knew they made a star wars clue game. I'm so tempted to get one now just to see if it can, even if only barely, pass for use with the Retro figures.
 
if retro gets a haslab, my hopes would be for one of the unproduced Kenner designs, like the Imperial Outpost, but then a retro AT-AT would need releasing. This could even work as a playset for some D+ locations. The blockade runner/ Tantive 4 would also be sweet, maybe pack in Antilles and release a mainline RFT repaint.
 
I'm curious about what vehicles we'll see in the 'whateveritscalled' new 5POA line coming out. I expect (I hope) they'd work well for the Retro Collection figures.
 
R1G4R3PO said:
So is new scale literally 4" or actually 3.75"? If 4" the figures'd be out of scale w/ 3.75" for the most part, and EZ pass, but vehicles should be OK.
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I saw something when they were first announced, I think on yakface clarifying, that said they were 3.75" scale, they're just calling them 4".
What's odd to me about them is how the sculpts are so ho-hum. I mean if you look at Rogue One, The Last Jedi, Solo, they can do really nice 5POA sculpts.
But at any rate, I'm far more interested in what they're going to release for Vehicles, hopefully beasts and playsets too.
 
One of the major appeals for retro is the reduced price.

Not sure what vehicles would qualify if they are trying to get $45+ for a speeder bike these days.

Would love to see mini rigs even if they cost $20-25 range, which I doubt they would, given the speeder bike price.

Not really a retro guy, although I have a few.
But would love to see
Land of the Jawas
Sandspeeder
Maybe retro Death Star?
Snow speeder (keep dreaming)
Retro beasts - Taun Taun, bantha, or dewback
 
A full on Retro Death Star would be utterly amazing. But the Cantina would scratch that itch as well for me. And by Retro — I mean, straight forward 1970s reissues.

The Blockade Runner would be an amazing All New release based on the Kenner Prototype…
 
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Yeah, they can start off small, maybe with reissues of those body rigs, the Imperial Sniper rig only has half a dozen parts, doesn't it? Likewise, there is no deco, so the price could be kept very reasonable. I bet they could release those for $15, and the bigger mini-rigs for $20. I'd like them to test the market with an easy one, like the sniper, and it would also be a gift to collectors, considering the Kenner version is expensive on the secondary market, making it cost prohibitive to collect. Ideally, they could reissue the vast majority of HTF and pricey Kenner originals, so most collectors have the opportunity to own them.
 
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