U Grade Mexican/SA: Now I've seen it all!!

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I know I've joked about this before to see if it could really happen, but I never really thought it could. I just found this AFA U80 Mexican/SA Snowtrooper w/ weapon tree and a BIN of $89! Many of you know how big I am on this line of bootlegs but all I can say is WOW, you have got to be freakin kidding me!

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You know how it is, Steven. The U Grade is the only way to guarantee that you've got an authentically fake action figure. You sure don't want to get stuck with a fake fake action figure, no sir! :)
 
You know how it is, Steven. The U Grade is the only way to guarantee that you've got an authentically fake action figure. You sure don't want to get stuck with a fake fake action figure, no sir! :)

:D Hahaha! Nice one!
 
All silliness aside over the thought of someone thinking that aFaU grading one of these would be a good idea, Realistically AFA shouldn't U grade these as they're coming out of stapled closed cards, not factory glued cards. Who knows the amount of hands that have handled this figure before it was hand stapled onto a card in the back room of a factory in Mexico.
 
Hey all,

Steven - I was going to PM you - should have known you'd spot this too. I'm dumbfounded. Not to mention (but I will) that it seems crazy to have boxed the little fellow with the weapons-on-tree like that. Are we to assume that any future Mex/AFA's that are complete with only a single weapon are not truly complete after all? I suppose they'll be doing FX figures soon. :p
 
how to describe my feelings about this....hmmmm...how.....

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Yes Jason, my "stupid auction" radar came full red as soon as this one came on.

And, like Joe said, you have no idea how many people have really handled this figure. It is my understanding that "U" stands for "uncirculated" or unopened?? Well, there is no sense in inspecting this figure with white gloves since the damn thing was HAND PAINTED. Oh, and he still got an "80" with all the paint chips... oh, and one more thing... that cape is not an original accessory, butdonttellafathat!
 
Im totally speachless, really, I am. That is about the craziest thing I have ever seen. That is what, a $8-10 figure? Just goes to show a little sticker really does mean more money.:stupid: But I always thought they wouldn't grade these things because of the crappy paint.
 
WOW......just WOW. Everything I could say has been said. I'm going to go melt some styrofoam in the back yard and shape it like a Snowtrooper and send it in. Bet it gets a 95.
 
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Hey, I don't know about you guys, but I'm a total noob when is comes to S/A figs...so if I'm gonna drop $10 on this figure, I want to KNOW its authentic so I can protect my investment :ambivalence:

Seriously though, this pisses even me off, and I (previously) had no problem with the AFA. They really shouldn't be doing this (as someone else mentioned) because the figures aren't really sealed, correct?

Plus, the S/A bootlegs are so ugly to begin with...putting it in that nice acrylic case is like putting lipstick on a pig :shame:
 
Is this a joke? If so, well done.

If not, could someone post a picture of a "MOC" Mexican SA Snowtrooper?
 
Funny thing is I've done business with this seller and he's top notch. Got some of my POTF loose from him and he was/is a great guy to deal with. As for the auction. Wow...don't know what to say? I have ZERO graded figures in my collection. Should this be the first????

J/K. Next we'll see an empty AFA box labled "The Force" and it wil be a U90.
 
Hey Steven. I saw that one too and just shook my head at the stupidity of it all. Like you already said - there's no way that's a "U". Just another reason why AFA should refuse to grade all bootlegs. I would personally rather have you or Joe authenticate something for me. The AFA clowns have no idea what they're looking at.

Anyone could staple a Mexi/SA's back onto some stock cards and send them in. If AFA actually took some time to look at what this was and did some research I'm sure this could have been prevented. Just goes to show that they're main agenda is making $$. Bad thing about this is someone who doesn't know any better is going to buy this and think they've gotten something super rare. But then again, if anyone buys it without doing some research then too bad on them.
 
A business with this kind of philosophy? Say it ain't so!

There's a difference between making money ethically and doing stupid **** like this. The "U" designation is for uncirculated. That would entail that the figure came directly from a FACTORY SEALED card or baggie. It's still up in the air as to where these figures are packaged. It MIGHT be at the factory where they are produced, but it also MIGHT be at a secondary distributer who prettys them up for selling in the marketplace by adding a weapon sprue, and stapleing them to a header card. IF the main "experts" on this line don't have this answer I can guarantee you that shchmuck boy X, that's been employed as a grader for 6 months sure as hell doesn't and shouldn't be designating them as uncirculated.
IF it was just graded, that'd be stupid enough,but at least it wouldn't be a false claim. Calling any bootleg(or figure in general) that could be removed from it's packaging without breaking some kind of seal negates any claim to the point of saying that it was uncirculated or of it definitely being the orig figure to that packaging. Calling an item Uncirculated, when there's no way to verify that the figure came from the factory of origin in the packaging that it's presented in also negates any ability to claim of knowing that the item hasn't been handled, sold at retail or bulk wholesale, as a loose figure before being packaged. See it's not just general AFA dislike on this one, it's the fact that there is NO possible way for AFA to justify giving this piece (or any vintage bootleg other than possibly an Uzay, Arco or Tomland piece) a U designation.

Cheers
Joe
 
Yeah the logic behind this piece is baffling, and unfortunately works against afa in severly undermining their credibility in an already hostile community. Example: Afa will only grade carded uzays with an afa-q, because the uzay bubbles were all hand glued at the factory, so afa has no way of authenticating it other than "qualified."

It stands to reason that therefore, any packaged mexican/sa figure sent in by whatever joker would actually think to get one graded would also receive a "qualified" grade as well, seeing as they are all stapled to cards, or in stapled baggies by hand. If we can assume this, then basic AFA logic would dictate that an "uncirculated" grade for this or any Mexican/sa figure would be impossible by the rules and confines of their own grading system.

The bottom line is that the most important aspect to a grading company is integrity. When an abomination like this comes along in which a company undermines their own policies, it reflects badly on that company's integrity. This is what sucks so much about this figure, and its subsequent grade. I can't even imagine what anyone would be thinking sending one of these figures in for u grading, unless it was as a goof.

Whatever. Pigs are apparently flying and hell is freezing also.
 
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Could Mexican baggies stapled on header cards theoretically be U graded. If you couldn't exchange the figure without noticing, then it would be untouched since the dude at the factory or barn stapled it, right?

Just a thought, not that I think U grading is logical in any way.
 
Probably not. Like mentioned before it wasn't uncommon for loose figures in bulk to be bought up by another distributer, packaged then resold to the market. This is actually evident in some of the carded/bagged figures that I currently have. Some figures that I have w/ header cards (early ones) have paint chips in the baggie so I know those have been there, probably originally. I also have others that the figures have paint loss, but no paint residue in the baggie. So that means that they were at some point repackaged and sold by someone else. Now, I'm talking about the earlier releases, not the one's you find today stapled to the unfolded header cards and plastic bubbles.
 
That's fair, Joe. You may be right. Has anyone considered emailing AFA and asking them for an explanation?

I've got to talk to Tom about some other stuff in the next week or so, I'll pick his brain and see what he has to say. While even I'll concede that AFA in general has its uses for both the seasoned collector and the noob, U grading is silly at best and destructive at worst. This situation shows the silly end of the spectrum. But it also shows a big flaw. As was mentioned if an item can only get a Q grade, it should automatically be discounted from being given U status. I've never used their services,but would an open but never used vehicle be able to be graded as U, or would it only be considered as a loose item for grading purposes?

Cheers
Joe
 
I believe an opened, never used vehicle would get a "Q" grade. Which is really what the bootleg should get if we're being technical about it. It is a good illustration for how ridiculous the U grade is.
 
I think it´s great. :glee: :stupid:
Another step towards the final end of AFA, which for sure will come due to the obvious hunger for money that surrounds the whole business.
And as a result of that, degeneration (more and more questionable ways) in grading leading to contempt from more and more collectors.

AFA throwed their responsibility to the hobby over board a long time ago.
The company´s good no longer weighs up it´s wrongs, I´m sad to say.
 
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I think it´s great. :glee: :stupid:
Another step towards the final end of AFA, which for sure will come due to the obvious hunger for money that surrounds the whole business.
And as a result of that, degeneration (more and ore questionable ways) in grading and contempt from more and more collectors.

AFA throwed their responsibility to the hobby over board a long time ago.
I´m sure Tom is a great and knowledgeable person but his company´s good no longer weighs up it´s wrongs, I´m sad to say.
Oh brother. So this worthless piece signifies the end of AFA? Quite dramatic, indeed.
 
Oh brother. So this worthless piece signifies the end of AFA? Quite dramatic, indeed.

While unfortunately it doesn't exactly mean the end of AFA, even you have to admit that it does present an odd straying from their "standards" for grading. IF even bootlegs that were sealed in a factory environment (uzays) can at most grade as a "Q" while "sealed", it comes across as really inconsistent with their policies that opening a staple sealed (maybe at the factory, maybe a distro center..who knows??) item makes it magically eligible for "U" grading.
I'd prefer that this thread doesn't digress into another overall, good ole' fashion, AFA bashin' thread, and sticks to the matter at hand to be honest.

Cheers
Joe
 
I´m sure Tom is a great and knowledgeable person but his company´s good no longer weighs up it´s wrongs, I´m sad to say.

Since when is the AFA Tom's company? He owns CIB, an authentication company, not the AFA.
 
Since when is the AFA Tom's company? He owns CIB, an authentication company, not the AFA.

Agree, this has nothing to do with Derby. I thought he long since put that to rest, guess not for some. When I first saw this listing I thought it was a joke, really only some explanation from AFA would help at this point.
 
Wow, maybe I'm in the wrong business with my Mexican/SA collection. Damn, you know if I get all of my loose, carded and bagged Mexican/SA figures AFA graded I could probably save up for that carded Uzay Headman. I have got to take a couple days and ponder on this.

Don't get me wrong, I would never get any of my stuff graded (or even think about it) and I have variants that this ******bag has never seen before in his life, but why is this happening to a sloppy hand painted figure? I mean the quality of any Mexican bootleg is so inconsistant, even worse than Uzays. Somebody needs to help me understand this cause I'm just not getting it!


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Since when is the AFA Tom's company? He owns CIB, an authentication company, not the AFA.

Thank you Leif.:encouragement:
Seems I got things a little mixed up.
I´ve changed my original post.
My apologies to Tom.
 
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Steven - I'm wondering myself what the benefit/ purpose of these are. I'm thinking of contacting the seller just to ask him why he uses "LOL" in his auction description. Is he trying to make a joke and if so, at whose expense? (Other than his of course for spending more for grading than the figure is worth itself). Or is he trying to mess with AFA? This just really bothers me as a serious bootleg collector and I would hate to see this become a trend.

If he's doing this just to try to increase the value of the figure hopefully buyers will look into these things and realize that it will not increase it's value and that in reality there is just no way to certify that they are "U". But then again so many people see AFA items as the final word when it comes to some things.
 
That's it:devilish:...... I'm gonna cash in on this stupidity and start the BGA (Bootleg grading authority). I'll order a bulk of acrylic loose figure cases from Oscar, some acrylic sealant and a bunch of those little shiny silver, gold, and red star stickers like teachers used to put on tests in elementary school :welcoming:. So kiddies,there's a new sherif in town.... it's time to start sending your spare money to someone that actually has the actual credentials to call themselves an authority on the subject, as opposed to some non collector moron that doesn't know his *** from his elbow.


Cheers
Joe
 
l :welcoming:. So kiddies,there's a new sherif in town

Leave off the last F for "Fantastic Savings" :greedy_dollars:

Joe - Jokes aside, you may be on to something. My use of AFA is purely in the authentication process and I know others use it soley for that reason as well. If another avenue existed............
 
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