Thrawn by Timothy Zahn

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It seems that after Tarkin by James Luceno, another important Imperial officer is getting a novel all about him, which will welcome him back into the canon.



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This exactly what I hope they keep doing with the EU- pull the stuff that was good and can fit with the new continuity.
 
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Sooooooo.... the STORIES from before weren't cannon, buuuuuuuut the characters are???? ...or can be? I'm so confused.
 
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So excited to have Thrawn in Star Wars: Rebels! The trailer was just epic, and I'm sure the novel will be amazing.

Sooooooo.... the STORIES from before weren't cannon, buuuuuuuut the characters are???? ...or can be? I'm so confused.
Yeah, you pretty much hit it on the nose actually.

First, Thrawn. Next up, Mara Jade!
Nope. That idea was shot down during the Rebels panel earlier today (it was the first question asked by an audience member).
 
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I cannot put into words how excited I was when they announced Thrawn was coming to Rebels and getting a novel. Then I saw the novel was being written by none other than the master himself! Thrawn is officially canon, Zahn is BACK writing in the official canon. It's a great time to be a SW fan.

Special shoutout to the Rebels trailer moment where Thrawn is studying Twilek art in his state room.
 
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First off, before the new EU started, I wasn't a big fan of Zahn. I think his storytelling ability is excellent, but I wasn't always happy with what he did with characters like Luke.
That said, after reading Aftermath from Chuck Wendig, my first thought was, the new EU really Needs Zahn to work his Magic because this new guy, Wendig, just can't cut it.

Now, I have some mixed emotions about this whole Thrawn Thing.

First, the positive. I think that Zahn will write an excellent book and fans of the old and new EU will probably be satisfied. That they've decided to go back to an author like Zahn, means they see a Need for good storytelling.

The negative side of this is that I'm not sure what Zahn will be allowed to Keep from the old Thrawn. I' sure most of it will be able to stay, but, the question is that how will Thrawn be in the Rebels Cartoon?

You see it with Vader in the Cartoon. He always loses and the Rebels get away. Will we see the same Thing happen to Thrawn or is this the Point where we'll actually see the Rebels Crew start getting captured and killed??) by the Empire?

If Thrawn is able to knock out These Rebels, then I think this will be a success for Zahn and all Zahn fans. I just have this lingering Feeling of doubt that Filoni will allow Thrawn to be the Thrawn that People know and love.
 
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I don't know, the cool thing about Thrawn is: unlike Vader he can be used as a TRUE over-arching villain. Vader needs to be saved for big moments, he can't be constantly chasing this one tiny Rebel cell. Thrawn on the other hand, has the potential to be a true main character this season and be shown cornering the crew of the Ghost step by step till a big show down at the end.

As far as the stakes...I know this is a kids show, but these are the "dark times". I would love nothing more than to see the crew of the Ghost systematically shattered (don't even need to kill off more than one character) by Thrawn.
 
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That's all true, but if in the end, the Crew gets away, then Thrawn Fails, right?

Filoni even said, they have to be careful with Vader because they can make him lose too often, yet every time Vader Shows up, the Rebels escape, which means Vader loses.

If Thrawn can end up killing off at least some of the Rebels, then it will be cool, but I don't think they'll do that on a kids' Show.
 
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You see it with Vader in the Cartoon. He always loses and the Rebels get away. Will we see the same Thing happen to Thrawn or is this the Point where we'll actually see the Rebels Crew start getting captured and killed??) by the Empire?
I imagine Thrawn will be allowed a few wins, but when he does lose, it'll be in a way that lets him keep his dignity, like Dietrich in The Rat Patrol.
 
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I hope you guys are right.

I got a different Feeling from the interview with him. It sounds like he Kind of has to start over with Thrawn. I'm sure a lot of the elements from the old EU would still work, but he made mention of how he added "Easter Eggs" from the old stuff that Long-time Thrawn fans would catch, but for Newcomers it wouldn't make them feel like they were missing out on something. My fear is that Filoni and the writing Group have put some binders on Zahn and he'll have to stay within those boundaries as well as the boundaries that will be set in Rebels.

That the book starts further back and Ends just before his appearance in Rebels should give him some leeway, however, my fear is not what Zahn does with the character (because he created him anyway and will probably stay fairly true to what we know about him), but how they use him in Rebels. Zahn's book will be a lot of fun, but once we get to the Cartoon, who knows what will be done to him.
 
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I don't see any reason that Thrawn can't be 100% competent and the Rebels can't out think the Imperial forces or even manage to just get lucky and escape. If Thrawn was some kind of invincible villain, he'd be boring because he'd always win and there'd be no tension. Plus, the Empire eventually loses and Thrawn is quite possibly dead (maybe even before A New Hope) so he's clearly not infallible.
 
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Someone said they ruled out Mara Jade, he simply said he didn't see her showing up on Rebels for now or soon. Doesn't mean she'll never show up on any show or in another book or such.
 
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The Thrawn book by Zahn is the real News here because Filoni had already stated a while back that we would see Thrawn in Rebels. So, the Story Group ok'd Thrawn Long ago and I think it's good that Zahn gets to write the book.
 
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I really like this. The other day I was thinking about when I first saw the Heir to the Empire novel back when it was released and how excited I was for a new Star Wars novel. I had to have it and really enjoyed that and the remainder of the trilogy. I haven't been watching or hearing much about the Con but have they said when this will be released?
 
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First off, like many others here. I'm very happy that he's been Canonized, and kind of excited about what they'll do with his character!
That said, I'm still a bit worried what they "might" do with his character.

Also, why Zahn, is he the only one who can write Thrawn? Not that I don't care for him, but agree with what was said about how he wrote other characters.
Plus, when is he last time he wrote for SW? Maybe they wanted him for certain reasons, instead of using someone else?

I'm sure they plan to do things slightly different, or we might just as well reread the old books. As long as they keep his core backstory, it can change a little to suit the needs of the show. And possibly even the movies.

We'll see.
 

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For those that were not present at the Star Wars Rebels Season 3 panel last weekend in London, you really can't even describe the electric shock that went through the entire room. This was one of the coolest Star Wars announcements at a Celebration to date and every single person there knew it. Grand Admiral Thrawn has long been my most favorite Expanded Universe character, so the fact that he's now part of this new canon is just outstanding. I'm also very glad that Tim was given this chance to write the character that he created. April 11, 2017 cannot come soon enough.
 
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Agree with all the previously stated sentiments. Had to let out a cheer when I saw this news. Very much lookin' forward to Season 3 of Rebels and this book now.
 
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There's a very brief description on Amazon about the book:

"In this definitive novel, readers will follow Thrawn’s rise to power—uncovering the events that created one of the most iconic villains in
Star Wars history."

So I guess this is going to be pre-Thrawn trilogy book?
If this is the case, I can see how they will allow the Rebels on the show outsmart him from time to time.

Never read any of theT hrawn books when they came out. By that time I had VERY little interest in SW.
While I've always loved to read, science fiction reading just never called my interest.
Up until recently with a few books like Lost Stars, Before the Awakening and The Weapon of a Jedi, the only books I had ever read (besides the OT books) were Shadows of the Empire and some Boba Fett novel.

But now, my interest has been awoken. Recently snagged all three Thrawn books in the last week and am eager to read them.
Of course, I'll have grab this new one right away since it will probably be at a decent price. If I wait to get it after reading all three, they'll be a hefty price to pay I think.
 
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I never read Zahn's Outbound Flight, but doesn't Thrawn Show up in that one as well? For some reason, I'm thinking part of Thrawn's backstory has been in some written form before. Thrawn is a character that can easily slip back into the new continuity (at least pre-Jedi), so I wonder how much of his past will Change.

If I'm wrong in thinking that we know some of Thrawn's past, please somebody correct me.
 
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I never read Zahn's Outbound Flight, but doesn't Thrawn Show up in that one as well? For some reason, I'm thinking part of Thrawn's backstory has been in some written form before. Thrawn is a character that can easily slip back into the new continuity (at least pre-Jedi), so I wonder how much of his past will Change.

If I'm wrong in thinking that we know some of Thrawn's past, please somebody correct me.
Outbound Flight is part of a two-parter you could say.

It was published after Survivor's Quest, though in-continuity it occurs before it. Much like the PT came out after the OT but really tells the beginning of the story that the OT continues.

Outbound Flight was our earliest in-continuity contact with Thrawn, so I would say between both books, this is where we find out about his background. I can't say specifically how much, but yes the story between both books does reveal details of Thrawn and Chiss life.

If you specifically just wanted to read about Thrawn directly and learn some background I might say just read Outbound Flight. But Survivor's Quest was written first and the focus of that book deals with something that actually took place much earlier. After reading it, you would (well the idea is that you would) want to know what Outbound Flight actually was, and would then want to read it, and 'conclude' the story from Survivor's Quest, by finding out how it actually started.

Outbound Flight was a Jedi mission out of the galaxy that disappeared and no one knows what happened to it, until Survivor's Quest. And I think that was more of a discovery of the ships involved with questions about the details, which Outbound Flight obviously supplies. What were the background events that led to the events surrounding the discovery. If you would want to enjoy both parts of the story read both books. Thrawn is only in Outbound Flight, but as Survivor's Quest concludes the story, more details about him may come about in it. I can't say for sure, and don't want to reveal any specifics of either book.

I would suggest reading it in published order, not chronological order, if anyone wishes to find out about this story regardless of whether or not it 'counts' in today's continuity.
 
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Thanks for the info. I haven't read either of those books, but I know that somewhere along the line I picked up bits about Thhrawn that were not from Zahn's first three Thrawn books. The Mara Jade books with the stormtroopers had some Thrawn in them as well, but I don't think there was much Background info on Thrawn there, but I was sure that somewhere along the line there was earlier stuff about Thrawn.

Having read those books, do you think that if Zahn incorporates what he's already told us about Thrawn that there are still enough Details to fill in the blanks or do you think those early parts could be boring?

I ask because I'm a Little nervous of how the Story Group wants Zahn to go Forward with the Thrawn book (although the book must already be finished at this Point). I'm wondering if Zahn can pretty much leave Thrawn as is or if he'll have to make any continuity compromises (which I doubt for anything pre-Jedi).
 
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Thanks for the info. I haven't read either of those books, but I know that somewhere along the line I picked up bits about Thhrawn that were not from Zahn's first three Thrawn books. The Mara Jade books with the stormtroopers had some Thrawn in them as well, but I don't think there was much Background info on Thrawn there, but I was sure that somewhere along the line there was earlier stuff about Thrawn.

Having read those books, do you think that if Zahn incorporates what he's already told us about Thrawn that there are still enough Details to fill in the blanks or do you think those early parts could be boring?

I ask because I'm a Little nervous of how the Story Group wants Zahn to go Forward with the Thrawn book (although the book must already be finished at this Point). I'm wondering if Zahn can pretty much leave Thrawn as is or if he'll have to make any continuity compromises (which I doubt for anything pre-Jedi).
Hmmn, I don't quite have a direct answer, or opinion to give, because I'm not following any new Star Wars stories since the Disney purchase. I don't know anything from any Marvel comic, TFA, Rebels, or any of the novels that have come out, to know what changes have been made, to form opinions on whether or not Thrawn's EU history can stay intact.
In a general sense, he had a falling out with his people over philosophy or tactics you could say, and that was how we ended up getting to know him in our galaxy. If any new stories make keeping those EU ones intact impossible, I guess that concept can stay intact as a new background is written that accommodates any new canonical stories. So I guess the mindset, attitude, and philosophy of Thrawn could stay the same, even if the details and events are altered. But since I don't know if anything has been altered, I don't know if his background can stay intact or not.
 
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Thanks for the Input. I've read some of the new stuff and I really don't think it would be a Problem to Keep his backstory almost as is, but I guess it's up the the storygroup and where they want to steer things. It's possible that they want specific things from the pre-ANH era to be left alone in case they decide to revisit that area in a few years.

I can remember how between AOTC and ROTS they had a number of novels and Comics that were supposed to be telling the Story of what was going on in the years between the films. Then in 2008, they came out with TCW and that basically changed anything that had come before, so they might want to steer clear of certain places and Events that were mentioned in previous Thrawn stories.
 
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Thanks for the Input. I've read some of the new stuff and I really don't think it would be a Problem to Keep his backstory almost as is, but I guess it's up the the storygroup and where they want to steer things. It's possible that they want specific things from the pre-ANH era to be left alone in case they decide to revisit that area in a few years.

I can remember how between AOTC and ROTS they had a number of novels and Comics that were supposed to be telling the Story of what was going on in the years between the films. Then in 2008, they came out with TCW and that basically changed anything that had come before, so they might want to steer clear of certain places and Events that were mentioned in previous Thrawn stories.
Yeah, I didn't think anything had already come about directly, but it's as you said, where they want to steer things may cause the conflict. They may have stories plotted where his past details must be altered, but these stories may not come out for years, so to fans right now, there may not seem to be any conflicts, but internally they know there are going to be.



This is further off the topic so anyone only interested in Thrawn can skip this.
I'm in maybe my fourth year of rereading the EU in chronological order from start to finish. I finished the PT era earlier this year, so I can still give an overview on those conflicts you mentioned. Essentially there was one full pass of novels and comics between AotC and RotS before The Clone Wars TV show came about. That show brought about Rex and Ahsoka who were not in the existing pass. A second pass of novels and comics came about where they were involved directly in, or at least existed in the galaxy at the time.

To make it all work, you basically need to consider that entire Pre TCW pass to exist before TCW show and everything that came about in that second pass. The most direct references that cause conflict are towards Anakin and whether he is a Padawan or a Knight, at what point did he change. Mentions of time frame in regards to what stage of the wars they occur also need to be ignored. A story might be said to be in the later stages of the war when now you must think of it as in the first half, but this isn't so bad, because in rearranging the stories, they feel like they can occur in a new order. The action works and dates aren't a linchpin.

The next most serious changes I would say deal with the status of Ventress and Barriss Offee as they had certain histories that were altered even before the Disney purchase. The death of Even Piell also was changed by TCW.

There are some stories from that pre TCW pass that don't account for Rex and Ahsoka but do go right up to RotS, so you can't push them up to the first half of the war. However, it is not difficult to read them where they were written, and just think of it as after Ahsoka left the order, so she doesn't 'exist' in Obi-Wan and Anakin's world any more.

My point is this was the stretch with the most hiccups in it, but it could all be juggled into a mostly manageable order, with a handful of issues that you need to just accept as this is what happens when you try to rewrite over a period. I'm a stickler for detail in my continuity and I could live with the juggling, and the handful of situations that just couldn't be worked out cleanly.
Anyway, I just wanted to address something else that you brought up, that wasn't about Thrawn.
 
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Well anything prior to Rebels can still stay the same. Anything after that would more than likely be altered to fit with what happens on the show. Also may have to alter anything post ROTJ, where he came in direct contact with Luke etc. Unless it stays like it is, as unexplored history.
 
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I have high hopes for this novel, and am confident Zahn will knock it out of the park.

My concern is the timeline placement of Thrawn in the canon. We're rapidly losing airspace pre-ANH for a character like Thrawn to move about and do his thing. I believe the novel fleshes out Thrawn's backstory prior to Rebels. But whatever he does after his entrance into the Rebels story doesn't have as much room to breathe as I'd hope for.
 
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I have high hopes for this novel, and am confident Zahn will knock it out of the park.

My concern is the timeline placement of Thrawn in the canon. We're rapidly losing airspace pre-ANH for a character like Thrawn to move about and do his thing. I believe the novel fleshes out Thrawn's backstory prior to Rebels. But whatever he does after his entrance into the Rebels story doesn't have as much room to breathe as I'd hope for.
Yeah, they seem to be cramming a lot of books, comics etc into a small space of time.
 
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I think they're just trying to fill the time until E VIII. After that, they will probably focus on more post Jedi stuff.
 
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We could get some post-ESB stuff, that time frame is virtually untouched in the canon.
 
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^ Most likely because it only takes up 1 year in the timeline. If/when Lucasfilm does decide to do something in that time period, they need to make it count.
 
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I'd honestly be fine if they didn't even bother. It get very tricky when you start down that path of in between movies, or prequels after sequels. I'd like them to be done with that already.
 
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