The Vintage Collection - General Toy Discussion Thread

[Masterfett]

FYI this is TVC general discussion thread so we're basically on topic as this discussion is about TVC and its possibilities. Plus you can't exactly continue a conversation started in one thread over to an alternate thread very easily and still have everyone follow it. Should we just not discuss anything then, since there's really nothing to talk about? I mean it's not like we're finding TVC on a daily basis anywhere, and if you did it's usually posted in the appropriate figure's thread. Not that there isn't a dedicate thread for figure findings by location here anyways.

Since there is an overall lack of information regarding the line people tend to discuss what is available, and that's is a more exciting future line that isn't what it in right now.

While we (well some of us) really want Quarren Fisherman #2 the reality is that the "heavy hitters" are what is more important. Factor in that it isn't 2012, the climate has radically changed, and Disney controls more of this than we could even imagine and here we are.

Yes, but they can't even manage to get the heavy hitters out besides numerous version of the wo main characters! Still waiting on Kuill and likely will by the time S3 is in the can. I'm not going to mention Ahsoka because I feel she's one-off guest appearance and will be getting her own show. I If you mean heavy hitters as being only the titular characters then I guess that's all we're going to get across the board for all shows.

 

[TauntaunScout]

I personally think it’s weird AF that they can’t keep a basic line of 12 or so figures from each movie available at all times even if it’s online only.

Also weird that they don’t release waves of stuff to coincide with the current offerings of playsets and vehicles. Ie, release the freeze chamber along with Lobot, an ugnaught etc.

 

[SaberSonic83]

He-Man had been recycling the same basic parts for years. Just have to be creative with the overall look.

Yes, creative and unique paint can really help an existing sculpt come alive in a unique character. I'm all for easy kit-bashes, especially if that makes it easier for Hasbro to produce more side characters like the remaining random Skiff guards. That AT-ST driver from the Mando is really the perfect example. Just needed a few unique accessories and he really came alive. I wouldn't have guessed at all that he was from the Weequay body, very cool comparison shot.

 

[SaberSonic83]

I'd get a bunch of blurgs. I'd even get a TBS Blurrg. It is the correct scale for the Ewok movie Blurrg. Heck, I've even considered modding the Funko pop into the old Kenner style trap door version.

If my comment seems belated, it is only because I had to slog through pages of content that really should have been made elsewhere.
I was under the impression this thread is mostly about giving actual information. If not, it should be.

I'm taking of my MOD hat for a moment.
I'm all for people expressing their thoughts in views in the appropriate place but...

IF you've said the same thing a dozen times, I think it is fair to say you made your point. If you've said the same thing more than 50 times, you've belabored your point. A few of you have probably said the same thing (more or less) over a hundred times. It's well past getting old.

The figuring measuring contest has no need to be in this thread. Keep it out of here.

Isn't there a speculation thread already so it can be kept it out of here? If not make one. An uninformed opinion has no real value.

I see so many complaints when people go off topic. Spouting off here knowing you have a large audience is just tactless IMO.

Not sorry for the rant.
Moving along now.

Hold up - the Blurrg came from the Ewok movie!? I've seen both movies, but I had no idea we had seen them on film before. I just remember the big giant monster that attacks them, can't remember the name of it.

Totally unrelated, but in a TVC Facebook group I found out that the ROTJ Boba Fett actually has a glued-on removable helmet and a sculpted head underneath, just like the BS-version. Some intrepid customizers figured that out after heating up the head, not sure if anyone on RS has tried it. I think that pretty much seals it that we're getting a re-armored (repainted) older Boba from the Mando with removable helmet.

 

[HothHan]

Hold up - the Blurrg came from the Ewok movie!? I've seen both movies, but I had no idea we had seen them on film before. I just remember the big giant monster that attacks them, can't remember the name of it.

Totally unrelated, but in a TVC Facebook group I found out that the ROTJ Boba Fett actually has a glued-on removable helmet and a sculpted head underneath, just like the BS-version. Some intrepid customizers figured that out after heating up the head, not sure if anyone on RS has tried it. I think that pretty much seals it that we're getting a re-armored (repainted) older Boba from the Mando with removable helmet.

They have been doing that with Clones for a couple years now. Doesn't really mean anything.

You aren't suggesting they are just gonna repaint the latest Boba for a Nomad/Re-armored version right?

Edit: I was referring to TBS with the clones but same premise

 

[darth_sidious]

Hold up - the Blurrg came from the Ewok movie!? I've seen both movies, but I had no idea we had seen them on film before. I just remember the big giant monster that attacks them, can't remember the name of it.

Totally unrelated, but in a TVC Facebook group I found out that the ROTJ Boba Fett actually has a glued-on removable helmet and a sculpted head underneath, just like the BS-version. Some intrepid customizers figured that out after heating up the head, not sure if anyone on RS has tried it. I think that pretty much seals it that we're getting a re-armored (repainted) older Boba from the Mando with removable helmet.

Yeah, the Blurrgs first came into the SW universe in the second Ewok movie, Battle for Endor - they were slightly larger than the versions seen in Mando. They've also been in CW, Rebels, video games, etc - they have a rich history in the SW universe and are begging to be made in TVC - they'd be an excellent world building element for the scale.

 

[HothHan]

Yeah, the Blurrgs first came into the SW universe in the second Ewok movie, Battle for Endor - they were slightly larger than the versions seen in Mando. They've also been in CW, Rebels, video games, etc - they have a rich history in the SW universe and are begging to be made in TVC - they'd be an excellent world building element for the scale.

Remind what game they were in again? I don't recall anything from KOTOR of TFU.

I totally agree they need to figure out a way to get some of these out in 3.75"

 

[SaberSonic83]

They have been doing that with Clones for a couple years now. Doesn't really mean anything.

You aren't suggesting they are just gonna repaint the latest Boba for a Nomad/Re-armored version right?

Edit: I was referring to TBS with the clones but same premise

No, of course his lowers would be new, but I think at least the chest/torso and his head/helmet will be reused. It was probably the plan all along so Hasbro didn't have to waste more tooling costs on a separate helmet-only sculpt. Remember all the dents are still in Boba's armor, it just gets a paint refresh.

 

[HothHan]

No, of course his lowers would be new, but I think at least the chest/torso and his head/helmet will be reused. It was probably the plan all along so Hasbro didn't have to waste more tooling costs on a separate helmet-only sculpt. Remember all the dents are still in Boba's armor, it just gets a paint refresh.

My only issue with that is current Boba is...bigger? than ROTJ Boba and they have set a pretty good precedent over the past few years with unique sculpts for new media characters.

I'm of the opinion thay they won't reuse much of the new one (but at the same time not surprised if they do lol)

 

[SaberSonic83]

My only issue with that is current Boba is...bigger? than ROTJ Boba and they have set a pretty good precedent over the past few years with unique sculpts for new media characters.

I'm of the opinion thay they won't reuse much of the new one (but at the same time not surprised if they do lol)

Ah very true, haha - the Boba gut is real! That's a great point. So I guess really just the head and helmet will be re-used. It bummed me out a little bit when I found out it was just another removable helmet, as I totally prefer a character like Boba who never removes his helmet in the OT to have a solid helmet. They tend to be better sculpts IMO and I prefer their rigidity, but I guess with all the glue in there, the new Boba helmet works fine. At least it didn't get misshapen like the Black Series one.

 

[Masterfett]

No, of course his lowers would be new, but I think at least the chest/torso and his head/helmet will be reused. It was probably the plan all along so Hasbro didn't have to waste more tooling costs on a separate helmet-only sculpt. Remember all the dents are still in Boba's armor, it just gets a paint refresh.

If they want to be totally accurate then Boba would need a new unique sculpt due to him being larger than he was in ESB/ROTJ which this figure is based on, there is just no way around the fact. Not to mention aside form the basic armor all the other areas of the costume are different now, legs arms and now a kilt. It also wouldn't really work for Cobb Vanth due to the only parts that remain the same are the cuirass, gauntlets, shoulder pads and helmet. So even he would need to be 80% new and if you're going to tool up 80% of a figure you might as well do it all new.

Look in the beginning I was one who though they could just repaint this new figure for Cobb and redo the legs and head sculpt just so we can get a figure of him much sooner. because I know full well how Hasbro is with their Money and selection process for new figures. So we'll just have to wait ten years for them to finally make proper versions of Cobb and Boba.

 

[HothHan]

If they want to be totally accurate then Boba would need a new unique sculpt due to him being larger than he was in ESB/ROTJ which this figure is based on, there is just no way around the fact. Not to mention aside form the basic armor all the other areas of the costume are different now, legs arms and now a kilt. It also wouldn't really work for Cobb Vanth due to the only parts that remain the same are the cuirass, gauntlets, shoulder pads and helmet. So even he would need to be 80% new and if you're going to tool up 80% of a figure you might as well do it all new.

Look in the beginning I was one who though they could just repaint this new figure for Cobb and redo the legs and head sculpt just so we can get a figure of him much sooner. because I know full well how Hasbro is with their Money and selection process for new figures. So we'll just have to wait ten years for them to finally make proper versions of Cobb and Boba.

I'd rather wait for unique sculpts as opposed to some kit bashed "that's good enough" nonsense

I can take a bunch of already existing parts and fit them all together and have some amateurish custom in that case. I'd rather just wait for a proper Boba

 

[xfamousnicknaro]

Hilariously the Endor Han repack wave is already being found at multiple Targets. Didn’t Hasbro *just* say the repack waves are finally going to stop ending up in stores?

 

[bac]

They said in 2022 the repack wave would be its own SKU so retailers wouldn't have to order it.

This means both repack waves are already available and the year isn't half done yet.

 

[DarkManX]

I'm glad that I see some interest in the idea, but I think assuming they'll do this for $15-$20 a figure is not realistic unless they do get 150,000 backers. PERHAPS........ they could do a goal with a moving target? I'm no crowdfunding messiah, but if we look at each figure getting 150,000 backers at $20 per figure, Hasbro makes $3,000,000. I don't know what the target would be for Hasbro to feel it's 'worth it' (and I personally don't think 3 million is anything to scoff at) but the above doesn't sound too far off... and 150,000 backers DOES feel a long way off.

SOOOO.... $30 per figure for 50,000 backers gets Hasbro 1.5 million per figure. Perhaps if the backers gets to 75,000 they lower they price to $25? That gets Hasbro $1.875 million. I don't know the feasibility of something like this ... any veteran crowdfunding people in here? Anyone from Boss Fight Studios or Chicken Fried Toys in here?



I agree that a bunch of figures in a lot for a large sum sounds like a very difficult idea to pull off. I think you might be able to do it with a theme like Cantina Patrons or Jabba's Palace goons... but I don't see a lot of other ideas that would be that viable. They wouldn't do PT and ST seems pretty questionable at this point also.

I personally would go without carding them all individually but I know that would have some losing their minds also. I think letting fans pick the figures and then we become the partners on each figure. If it hits the goal great! Hasbro does a figure. If not, well... at least we know where we stand and that's that.

Lmao That's not how it works.

 

[DarkManX]

But we’re past the terrible first few waves now. Like, four years past.

It feels like we have to earn new figures through repacks because that’s exactly what’s happening. And to be honest, that’s so close to abuser talk. How long will that go on? How many years will it take before TVC or 3.75” is “worthy” of all new sculpts all the time?

Did you just compare not getting a toy to mental,physical, and sexual abuse?

 

[Etain]

They said in 2022 the repack wave would be its own SKU so retailers wouldn't have to order it.

This means both repack waves are already available and the year isn't half done yet.

Patrick also said the same thing last year, that they'd have a different SKU for this year, and that didn't happen.

 

[ClanVizsla]

Changing pace a little...

NECA has an interesting new model going for their cartoon TMNT figures, which are nigh impossible to find at Target.

For three consecutive Fridays they're offering direct access to a new set arriving at Target later this year as well as a previously released hard to find set. Open 10-day pre-order for each, limit 2x person.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Conceived as a black-and-white comic book series in 1984 by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird, the ongoing story of four mutant turtles named after Italian Renaissance artists has seen many different adaptations - in animation, live-action film, video games and more. Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael...

thenecastore.com

The market research they get from this must be fantastic.

It does make you wonder if Hasbro can continue to evolve Pulse and venture into endeavors like this for BS and TVC.

This is an interesting idea and definitely seems like something Pulse could do. It seems like what Mondo, Bottleneck, and other niche movie art/poster sites do.

Pulse does have that "Partner Exclusives" section, which seems like a good first step. But I like the idea of having a timed pre-order window for people to get their orders in on re-releases and upcoming exclusives. That way people don't have to stress about the Target or Wal-mart problems and Hasbro can know how much demand there is for upcoming product. Hope it works out for NECA and provides a 'best practice' example for Hasbro.

 

[xfamousnicknaro]

Did you just compare not getting a toy to mental,physical, and sexual abuse?

Just mental, and also had the qualifier “so close” in there. It’s just aggravating to constantly hear that if we want the line to continue, we need to swallow the *worst* 10+ year old repacks “for now”. But “for now” just seems to keep going on and on.

“A toy” . Come on, dude. I’m talking about the handling of the line broadly, not missing out on a singular figure.

 

[Masterfett]

Oh you mean like if someone wants their partner to "put out" they need to check off items on that honey-do list? lol

 

[Lobotscomb]

Did you just compare not getting a toy to mental,physical, and sexual abuse?

Stranger Danger

 

[Lobotscomb]

Just mental, and also had the qualifier “so close” in there. It’s just aggravating to constantly hear that if we want the line to continue, we need to swallow the *worst* 10+ year old repacks “for now”. But “for now” just seems to keep going on and on.

“A toy” . Come on, dude. I’m talking about the handling of the line broadly, not missing out on a singular figure.

I'm getting Royal Guards out of it.... So I'm good with it.

 

[GuardsOnCards]

I'm getting Royal Guards out of it.... So I'm good with it.

Ditto x100

 

[bac]

Patrick also said the same thing last year, that they'd have a different SKU for this year, and that didn't happen.

He did, and theoretically the next wave could be on the new sku and show up in stores later this year. A new sku could open the door to more than 2 waves per year and more of the obscure $$$ figures like skiff guards returning.

 

[Lobotscomb]

Ditto x100

Leave me some....lol
With these showing up now, will we see another repack wave this year? I hope so. Looks like a game of leapfrog. July should be Ashoka waven October Lando, Ig-11, and I'd assume Kuiil seeing as it is right before we get the Crest. So there's room for a repack. Hope it is used wisely.

 

[Walrus_Man]

I personally think it’s weird AF that they can’t keep a basic line of 12 or so figures from each movie available at all times even if it’s online only.

They kept pretty much all the figures available all the time back in the 70's & 80's. If they hadn't, then none of us would be here now still collecting.
How hard can it be?

 

[GuardsOnCards]

Leave me some....lol
With these showing up now, will we see another repack wave this year? I hope so. Looks like a game of leapfrog. July should be Ashoka waven October Lando, Ig-11, and I'd assume Kuiil seeing as it is right before we get the Crest. So there's room for a repack. Hope it is used wisely.

Eep! I meant 100%! I have 8 coming, in part to make sure I get one “collector grade” to go on my carded guard wall.

I wasn’t collecting when the originals of these came out. As an opener, these waves are a dream come true for me. I think you might be on to something! Here’s to hoping for another repack this year

 

[Lobotscomb]

They kept pretty much all the figures available all the time back in the 70's & 80's. If they hadn't, then none of us would be here now still collecting.
How hard can it be?

Very hard. Back then they didn't have to rent pegs. Stores kept on top of what was selling and loaded the pegs with it. Now like it or not things are very different. They could keep stores stocked then by churning out older product just to meet demand, and they all sold, because it allowed new collectors to jump into an established line. But that is impossible now as it would clog the 3 pegs they get rather than 20.

 

[HothHan]

They kept pretty much all the figures available all the time back in the 70's & 80's. If they hadn't, then none of us would be here now still collecting.
How hard can it be?

Yea because everything today is like it was in the 70s and 80s

 

[TauntaunScout]

As I said, “even if it was online only”. Hasbro or Disney should be able to run a legit web store of Star Wars 3.75” toys.

LEGO and Playmobil prove it can be done. A basic selection of toys for a line can be kept constantly available. In stores.

 

[lister]

In the 70s and 80's there were several toy store chains that could dedicate large sections of aisles to bigger toy lines like Star Wars, G.I. Joe, and MOTU, and a decent amount of shelf space to the smaller lines. It was the golden age of the action figure and I love that I got to live through it. But the toy landscape has just changed too much, for a lot of reasons, all of which have been covered over and over again.

It would be like going to a gas station and wondering why, not only do you have to pump your own gas, but why no one is coming out to clean your windshield or check your oil and tires. It's just not the way it is anymore.

 

[EvenPiellFan]

Supposedly the toy landscape has changed but TBS AND Marvel Legends are doing really well..............

 

[Decarbonited]

You aren't suggesting they are just gonna repaint the latest Boba for a Nomad/Re-armored version right?

You’re right. They probably won’t even make him at all, considering we likely won’t get Kuill until 2022, three years after his debut as a main character in the most celebrated piece of Star Wars media in decades.

 

[HothHan]

You’re right. They probably won’t even make him at all, considering we likely won’t get Kuill until 2022, three years after his debut as a main character in the most celebrated piece of Star Wars media in decades.

Kuiil and Boba are in totally different stratospheres and I'd rather wait for a proper Boba instead of some kit bashed nonsense.

 

[HothHan]

Supposedly the toy landscape has changed but TBS AND Marvel Legends are doing really well..............

...neither of which are part of a dying scale and pigeon holed into being sold exclusively on "vintage" cards

 

[EmperorPalps]

You’re right. They probably won’t even make him at all, considering we likely won’t get Kuill until 2022, three years after his debut as a main character in the most celebrated piece of Star Wars media in decades.

Kuill is coming in the IG-11/Lando/Palpatine/Teebo wave, which is likely coming out in the fall.

 

[Masterfett]

Know this for a fact, you do?

 

[R1G4R3PO]

Kuill is coming in the IG-11/Lando/Palpatine/Teebo wave, which is likely coming out in the fall.

That had been initial thought, but since then, yakface's rumor list moved kuill out of that wave listing and is still under the rumor column while rest of wave is listed above the rumor section, so it's hard to say if kuill is in that wave or been moved to another later wave or an excl of some sort. Hopefully not wm, maybe target as they haven't had a single card excl since Stormtrooper Han

 

[EmperorPalps]

Ah, didn't know Jayson moved him off that assortment, which is what I was going by. I would be very surprised if he still doesn't wind up in that wave though. Also, I doubt Hasbro would make Kuill a store exclusive - especially Target! That would upset a lot of collectors, and they know it.

 

[EvenPiellFan]

...neither of which are part of a dying scale and pigeon holed into being sold exclusively on "vintage" cards

3.75" is not dying. Hasbro has mishandles the line for a decade and then complains that sales are down and that no one collects it anymore.

I don't get it. If the 6" line can be a success today- which is the argument that the toy landscape has changed- why can't 3.75"?