The Vintage Collection - General Toy Discussion Thread (Now with Spoilers. Yea be warned!)

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I'll gladly take a TROS Finn. And down the road a Stormtrooper Finn with clean and bloody hand print helmets -- however unlikely that is.
I second that. Stormtrooper disguise figs are a must have for me.
 
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Those are cool! I love the AT-ST Klatooinian. I hope they end up putting him on his own card.

Cara Dune is obviously also a well-rendered figure. That’ll be a nice addition to any dio.
 
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Only 1 tvc reveal at London this AM...kinda given but still cool
at least 1 more next weekend was mentioned
 
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Hasbro were asked again at their MCM London Comic Con panel if The Vintage Collection is ending. They again stated that the rumour is false and it's not ending. They also went and said outright that they have plans for TVC for years to come so it's definitely not ending anytime soon.

Saying "years to come" also sounds like they definitely want to retain the license. Hopefully we get news on a renewal soon although since we never hear an official announcement from Hasbro when a design director leaves or joins it's not impossible that the license has been renewed and Hasbro, Lucasfilm or Disney don't think it needs announcing that it has. I know the last time it was renewed it was officially announced but just a thought I had recently.

Definitely great to hear from Hasbro themselves that they have plans for TVC for years to come.
 
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The TVC The Mandalorian figure looks incredible. Very excited for it. Sounds like at Lucca in Italy or Manga Barcelona in Spain next weekend we'll finally find out who the TVC The Mandalorian figure codenamed "Duck" is. Maybe the second TVC The Mandalorian vehicle will be revealed too.

At Paris Comic Con yesterday they said all four of Paris, MCM London, Lucca and Manga Barcelona would have TVC The Mandalorian reveals.
 

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For anyone that's interested here's a video on the Star Wars section of the Hasbro Paris Comic Con panel yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOTuD9H_zo
This made things interesting. The guarantee of 4 Mandalorian reveals means there's either a fourth figure or the rumored ship. Or a Blurrg! I'm hoping for "not a figure" as that's one less big slot at Toy Fair that can be filled in with something else!

The Monday pre-order thing is interesting as well since only two of the four reveals will be done.

EU pre-orders supposedly started today.
 
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They also said all of the 6" reveals would be from the prequel trilogy and they showed two RoS figures today so I doubt that the all TVC are from the The Mandalorian report is accurate either.
 
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Not really in love with the reverse knee articulation or the smallish hands, but otherwise a gorgeous must have figure.
 
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Seems like we are getting a nice, healthy balance of characters now too for fans of everything. Some OT figures, some spin-off figures, some ST figures and now some TV related figures. I don't collect PT figures, but I do feel bad for those that do. That seems like the one era that is being neglected a tad bit right now, though oddly only in TVC. Hopefully Hasbro has 2 or 3 PT Vintage Collection figures planned for 2020.

It's also nice to hear TVC is not going anywhere and Hasbro has big plans for it for years to come. That is very re-assuring and also bodes well for us all! Supposedly Hasbro said at the London CC today that in 2020 there will be less repacks (only 25%?) from here on out. Which is something they hinted could happen if the line succeeded for 2018-2019. That would also be down from the number of repacks we saw from the last 2 years, which was just about half at 45%.

Also interesting and a very good sign and jives with what Hasbro told us last year that if the line was a success we would see more in 2019 and even more in 2020 -- we got 16 VC figures in 2018 and 32 VC figures in 2019. I'm getting a good feeling that in 2020 we'll possibly get closer to 40 VC figures. While it's not the 50+ figures per year we were getting from like 2005-2012, it's still great to see that we might be closer to those numbers now!
 
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Totally in on that figure and if they give a blurrg hell yeah


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They also said all of the 6" reveals would be from the prequel trilogy and they showed two RoS figures today so I doubt that the all TVC are from the The Mandalorian report is accurate either.
They actually didn't. I just rewatched a video of the Paris panel and they said that in the next week and a half there would be 8 PT Black Series reveals. With Lucca and Manga Barcelona next weekend they could reveal three at both. They said their 6 inch reveals would include 8 PT figures not that those would be the only things they reveal for 6 inch. Of course they could have made a mistake and two of the PT reveals are for German Comic Con Dortmund in December but who knows. Point is they never said the 6 inch reveals were only from the PT.

With regards to TVC by contrast they outright said all four conventions would get a TVC The Mandalorian item revealed. Of course plans can change in the next week so we'll never know for sure until the panels happen.
 
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Lots of interesting tidbits about TVC from the MCM London panel and a Q&A afterwards that JTA have put together. Lots of interesting stuff. IMO the most interesting and great to hear is that TVC will now have a ratio of 25% re-packs which is more like the ratio in 2010-2012 and the focus is on new products which is great to hear. They also commented on having plans for TVC for years to come, a TROS Palpatine, TCW, the Knights of Ren and a lot more interesting tidbits. Well worth a read.

https://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2019-10-26-hasbro-tidbits-from-the-mcm-con-in-london/
 
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Good news about there being many more TVC down the road.

I'm in for buying two of any new super-articulated TVC Rogue One figs:

K2SO
Jedha Jyn
Jedha Cassian
Baze, Chirrut, Bodhi 3 pack???
Imperial Disguise Jyn and Cassian
Blue Squadron Leader
Mon Mothma
Rebel Trooper
Krennic
Tarkin

So many need to be done.
 
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So, how is everyone feeling about Hasbro and its smart repacks? Is there confidence in Hasbro's ability to produce smart repacks that we really need/want?
 
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So, how is everyone feeling about Hasbro and its smart repacks? Is there confidence in Hasbro's ability to produce smart repacks that we really need/want?

I think so. I think Hasbro is slowly getting better at it now for the VC. There are still a bunch of figures people would want to see re-packed for the VC, either from older lines or from the 2010-2012 era that are hard to obtain now. Plus, the photo-real paint app technology has made any older human figure instantly desirable and "re-packable" for a lot of folks.
 
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I think so. I think Hasbro is slowly getting better at it now for the VC. There are still a bunch of figures people would want to see re-packed for the VC, either from older lines or from the 2010-2012 era that are hard to obtain now. Plus, the photo-real paint app technology has made any older human figure instantly desirable and "re-packable" for a lot of folks.
I want to see those skiff guards though. Which skiff guards, Palace denizens and cantina patrons can be made by a kit bash?
 
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I want to see those skiff guards though. Which skiff guards, Palace denizens and cantina patrons can be made by a kit bash?

I would say Lak Sivrak, the Sail Barge Weequay, the unnamed Mercenary, the unnamed human on the SB deck that goes after Luke, Barada, Reegesk, Geezum, Gauron Nas Tal, Yoxgit, Shasa Tiel, Labria, Yotts Orren, Taym Dren-garen, Arliel Schous and Yerka Mig all probably can be done very well using a lot of pre-existing parts Hasbro already has. Some might require new accessories, new heads, new web-gear or armor. But the basic bulk of those could be done by kit-bashing I think.
 
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As someone who has passed on all of them, and only started collecting when FACE paint apps started, repacks are fine by me. I want all of the major characters redone in this manor. Look at the huge difference in Leia Hoth alone...
 
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As someone who has passed on all of them, and only started collecting when FACE paint apps started, repacks are fine by me. I want all of the major characters redone in this manor. Look at the huge difference in Leia Hoth alone...

Me too. Jumped back in with the face apps.
 
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Hopefully the TROS Palpatine will finally be the Ultimate Emperor we've been waiting for? Also nice to hear about TCW, although they probably just mean a bunch of repainted Clones. As opposed to interesting Aliens etc. What's also nice about this is the possibility for a JTG, since they were in both TCW and Rebels. :grin:

Hasbro were asked again at their MCM London Comic Con panel if The Vintage Collection is ending. They again stated that the rumour is false and it's not ending. They also went and said outright that they have plans for TVC for years to come so it's definitely not ending anytime soon.

Definitely great to hear from Hasbro themselves that they have plans for TVC for years to come.
Yeah it definitely is nice to hear so we're not left wondering what's the deal. Although I've heard empty promises before. That said, since the line is 90% repacks, it's not exactly like it a tough job or that expensive keeping it going. lol

If there were solid info that new figures of long sought after characters coming, then I'd be more content.
 
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I still think most of the main characters need to be redone completely. I can’t imagine having some of the early VOTC and TVC figures on the same shelf as these recently released ones. It’s not just the head sculpts and face print, but the quality of sculpting overall took a major leap recently.
 
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What’s the story with TVC lukes xwing? I know places like ee and dorkside have it, and Best Buy will or already does, but what about places like target?
 
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Also interesting and a very good sign and jives with what Hasbro told us last year that if the line was a success we would see more in 2019 and even more in 2020 -- we got 16 VC figures in 2018 and 32 VC figures in 2019. I'm getting a good feeling that in 2020 we'll possibly get closer to 40 VC figures. While it's not the 50+ figures per year we were getting from like 2005-2012, it's still great to see that we might be closer to those numbers now!
These numbers are a bit deceiving. We got 18 and 32 on card, but very few were actually new (a face paint isn’t quite new enough for me most of the time). In the old days, those “50+” were essentially entirely new.

As for “smart repacks,” I’m also not so sure. The skiff guard 3-pack was pretty amazing, since we got a new figure to go along with the two desirable repacks (kitbashes and full-body repaints usually do work for me as new enough).

But the “Cave of Evil” is pretty horrible (be fair, y’all). Some, like Han Carbo and Ree-Yees, at least allow us to cross a few more off the 92. I guess “smart” repacks are in the eye of the buyer.
 
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What’s the story with TVC lukes xwing? I know places like ee and dorkside have it, and Best Buy will or already does, but what about places like target?
I believe it's a fan channel exclusive so primarily online retailers and specialist stores. I don't think Target, Wal-Mart etc are getting it. Probably makes sense since it's a re-paint and not an all-new sculpt like Poe's X-Wing.
 
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Hopefully the TROS Palpatine will finally be the Ultimate Emperor we've been waiting for? Also nice to hear about TCW, although they probably just mean a bunch of repainted Clones. As opposed to interesting Aliens etc. What's also nice about this is the possibility for a JTG, since they were in both TCW and Rebels. :grin:



Yeah it definitely is nice to hear so we're not left wondering what's the deal. Although I've heard empty promises before. That said, since the line is 90% repacks, it's not exactly like it a tough job or that expensive keeping it going. lol

If there were solid info that new figures of long sought after characters coming, then I'd be more content.
It's inevitable we'll get some re-painted Clones but at SDCC last year Steve Evans said he'd like to "pick the right characters to do for TCW" and not just re-paint Clones. I'm sure the current team feels the same way and we'll get some exciting TCW products that aren't just Clones.

In regards to 90% re-packs (which is an exaggeration but feel free to believe what you want) Hasbro said at MCM London that they heard the complaints about too many TVC re-packs and the focus is very much now on new products. 75% newness to 25% re-packs which is also around what the ratio was for TVC in 2010-2012. I think that's great news on top of hearing that they have plans for TVC for years to come.

I personally think this year was great for TVC and it's looking like next year will be even better based on what we've seen revealed and have heard from Yakface, Stan etc in terms of rumours. I will agree you though that it would be nice to see info (or rumours from Yakface etc) on long sought after characters coming but I'm sure we'll get some of that soon.
 
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I believe it's a fan channel exclusive so primarily online retailers and specialist stores. I don't think Target, Wal-Mart etc are getting it. Probably makes sense since it's a re-paint and not an all-new sculpt like Poe's X-Wing.
Okay, thanks. I guess Best Buy will be the best bet for finding one in good shape if they actually have them in stores. I don’t really feel the need for another xwing but I’m a sucker for that box they went with.
 
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It's inevitable we'll get some re-painted Clones but at SDCC last year Steve Evans said he'd like to "pick the right characters to do for TCW" and not just re-paint Clones. I'm sure the current team feels the same way and we'll get some exciting TCW products that aren't just Clones.

In regards to 90% re-packs (which is an exaggeration but feel free to believe what you want) Hasbro said at MCM London that they heard the complaints about too many TVC re-packs and the focus is very much now on new products. 75% newness to 25% re-packs which is also around what the ratio was for TVC in 2010-2012. I think that's great news on top of hearing that they have plans for TVC for years to come.

I personally think this year was great for TVC and it's looking like next year will be even better based on what we've seen revealed and have heard from Yakface, Stan etc in terms of rumours. I will agree you though that it would be nice to see info (or rumours from Yakface etc) on long sought after characters coming but I'm sure we'll get some of that soon.
To me, 75% newness to 25% re-packs means more new figures from new media and less OT. I'll still be surprised to see an OT figure with a brand new sculpt. I just don't believe it.
 
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Hopefully the TROS Palpatine will finally be the Ultimate Emperor we've been waiting for? Also nice to hear about TCW, although they probably just mean a bunch of repainted Clones. As opposed to interesting Aliens etc. What's also nice about this is the possibility for a JTG, since they were in both TCW and Rebels. :grin:



Yeah it definitely is nice to hear so we're not left wondering what's the deal. Although I've heard empty promises before. That said, since the line is 90% repacks, it's not exactly like it a tough job or that expensive keeping it going. lol

If there were solid info that new figures of long sought after characters coming, then I'd be more content.
This is why Hasbro sucks for not releasing an ROTJ Emperor until this point. Now, knowing them, they'll give a freaking TROS one and still leave us hanging for the most important villain of ROTJ. How he's gone this long without a proper figure representation from that movie is a joke, especially with all the the years of ROTJ focus like this one and one's previous with wavs literally dedicated to the movie.

Not a fan of the lack of OT, I feel like it should always be 50% of a wave and hopefully more new sculpts than rehashes.
 
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To me, 75% newness to 25% re-packs means more new figures from new media and less OT. I'll still be surprised to see an OT figure with a brand new sculpt. I just don't believe it.
Fair enough but Hasbro's comment was very much meant in general in terms of the products being 75% new and 25% re-packs now. Not about which media those will represent. To be honest though it was obvious once TVC was announced as returning that new media would be a focus. That was a given. Plus with no new movie about this year until 2022 that will give Hasbro time to catch up on some figures including OT. They were asked at MCM about doing TESB products for the 40th anniversary and while they can't reveal any yet they confirmed publicly that there are TESB products coming for the anniversary.
 
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Something interesting that Jayson from Yakface mentioned in one of the TVC groups I'm in on Facebook yesterday is that there was apparently originally a TVC vehicle slated to be revealed at MCM London Comic Con yesterday alongside the reveal of The Mandalorian figure. For some reason Hasbro decided not to reveal it yesterday. They're probably saving it for another reveal soon. Yakface has had a second The Mandalorian vehicle (apparently it will cost over $100) on their list for a while now so I imagine it's likely that one. Probably Hasbro will reveal it at one of the other European cons soon but it's interesting that they apparently were going to reveal it at MCM and decided to hold off on that reveal.
 
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To me, 75% newness to 25% re-packs means more new figures from new media and less OT. I'll still be surprised to see an OT figure with a brand new sculpt. I just don't believe it.
You mean like Yakface, Klaatu, the (mostly new) Vedain, the 3 all-new Lukes and the Stormtrooper Han we got this year? Plus the R1 DS Gunner and Stormie, which are basically OT.

That's a pretty healthy number especially when you consider there are two massively hyped new media events coming this year that of course Hasbro is going to want to promote/tie-in.
 
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Something interesting that Jayson from Yakface mentioned in one of the TVC groups I'm in on Facebook yesterday is that there was apparently originally a TVC vehicle slated to be revealed at MCM London Comic Con yesterday alongside the reveal of The Mandalorian figure. For some reason Hasbro decided not to reveal it yesterday. They're probably saving it for another reveal soon. Yakface has had a second The Mandalorian vehicle (apparently it will cost over $100) on their list for a while now so I imagine it's likely that one. Probably Hasbro will reveal it at one of the other European cons soon but it's interesting that they apparently were going to reveal it at MCM and decided to hold off on that reveal.
Going to be VERY curious to see how some niche pay-scription ship is going to do at retail at over $100 - not that I don't want it to be successful, but I hate that Disney + happened. Star Wars is meant to be theatrical, not scripted like a TV series. That's what separated from Star Trek (not comparing the two in quality, I think Next Generation and the original were some of the best TV in their respective times) from SW - the Star Wars movies were always more like an event. Paying for a subscription doesn't feel like an event at all. They have no idea how this show will perform or be received - to double down and bring a huge ship out from it is a risky endeavor in today's retail. This isn't SOTE in the 90s where people were starved for Star Wars - we are oversaturated today with the franchise, so I would have much rather seen an unmade OT vehicle in TVC, like the Y-Wing in full sized proportions.
 
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Going to be VERY curious to see how some niche pay-scription ship is going to do at retail at over $100 - not that I don't want it to be successful, but I hate that Disney + happened. Star Wars is meant to be theatrical, not scripted like a TV series. That's what separated from Star Trek (not comparing the two in quality, I think Next Generation and the original were some of the best TV in their respective times) from SW - the Star Wars movies were always more like an event. Paying for a subscription doesn't feel like an event at all. They have no idea how this show will perform or be received - to double down and bring a huge ship out from it is a risky endeavor in today's retail. This isn't SOTE in the 90s where people were starved for Star Wars - we are oversaturated today with the franchise, so I would have much rather seen an unmade OT vehicle in TVC, like the Y-Wing in full sized proportions.
I'm personally very excited for The Mandalorian and the Disney+ shows but I do think a $100+ TVC vehicle from The Mandalorian is risky. Smaller vehicles like speeders or something might have been a better option for other vehicles from the show just a few months after the show will be released. I have no doubt that the show itself will be popular though.

If the $100+ vehicle is The Mandalorian's personal ship the Razor Crest I could see there being a lot of excitement for a vehicle of it as the response to it from Star Wars fans has been overwhelmingly positive. I know I'd love to see a TVC quality version of it and would pay a lot of money for it. All that being said while I think the Star Wars fans that are already excited by the ship would be excited by a quality toy of it I'm not sure most of those fans would pay big money for a TVC vehicle of it. I'd love to be wrong though.

Of the vehicles we currently know of from The Mandalorian the Razor Crest is the only one I could see being a $100+ vehicle. Although for all we know that TVC vehicle could be a vehicle we haven't seen yet.

In short though I agree with you that a $100+ The Mandalorian vehicle is risky. That said TBH I think any vehicle over $100 outside of HasLab is risky but that's just my opinion.
 

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Disney might just kill the movie theatre experience entirely.
I just read 2 different articles (didn't think to bookmark them). One was how Disney is vaulting old movies from other media companies they have bought up so second run theatres can't show them anymore; and the second was how it makes more financial sense to stop showing movies in theatres all together (especially second tier movies). The math was people watch about 4 movies a year and pay $7 to see them. Disney Plus is $7 a month. They also get 100% of the take and only show commercials that pertain to them.
I also recall something about other streaming sites losing rights to content.

How this might affect toys is interesting to me. Will restricting Disney Co content assimilate or segregate people in terms of wanting product?
 
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