the Solo and Rogue One movies are better because they are regular joe origin movies

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Face it. the regular joe origin movies Solo and Rogue One are better and did better because they're origin stories of normal characters that dont involve the wacky magical Force or space monks waving around their hands and using laser swords.

I loved it when Imperial soldiers got more screen time in the origin movies than they did in the original trilogy movies.

Plus you got to see more of a variety such as the Scarif shore scout troopers, the Death Troopers and from Solo the snow range troopers and imperial officers wearing muddy capes etc
 

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Solo is not better, rather completely forgettable. We didn't need an "origin" story for Han. The mistake they made was ending the movie where it should have started: It would have been a huge hit if it started with Han going to Jabba's palace, getting a job, getting chased and boarded by the Empire, fighting and evading Boba Fett, and then ending in Mos Eisley not knowing where he was going to get the credits to pay back Jabba for dumping his cargo.

That's what made R1 such a hit - the OT rebels, Death Star, Vader, it tying directing into the saga. That's what people want to see.
 

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That's what made R1 such a hit - the OT rebels, Death Star, Vader, it tying directing into the saga. That's what people want to see.
I can't really remember the Han solo movie as i've only seen it once but it was average from what I remember, Rogue One was really good since the stakes were high, great mix of characters and battles. Even though we know it will lead into ANH it's an interesting story from the get go and is a Star Wars film I can watch endlessly without getting bored.
 
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I'd watch the Solo movie again and again before any of the ST movies. That's for darn sure. :p

It's more Star Wars-y than any of the ST IMHO with likable characters that you care what happens to. I can't really say the same for any of the new ST characters other than BB-8.
 
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Rogue 1 is the only one I'm able to watch more than once in Theater, and then once again at home. TFA was the only other one I've seen more than twice, but not more than 4. I didn't hate Solo, but indeed it wasn't necessary. Nor was it all that engaging TBH.
 
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Rogue One and Solo are superior to the ST. I place them above TPM, ROS, TFA and TLJ; an behind ESB, ANH, ROS, ROTJ, in that order. I think the closer they stick to the OT, the better the movies are.
 
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I mean I think Rogue One is fantastic, I think Solo is spectacularly average. It has moments of brilliance, but it's just a case of over-indulgence. It's not bad, it's just not necessary. Explaining how Han got his name instead of it just being his name was a remarkably stupid moment. I'm still not convinced I LIKE Chewbacca being basically the Empires Rancor monster. Eh! It boarders on awful for me, but acceptable enough. Dryden is an unbelievably bland villain in a completely uninteresting way. The whole rival smuggler plot was so unnecessary, Enfys Nest, to which I find it really hard to buy that both there is a little girl in that armor and that a little girl is their freaking leader. Um...okay? Qi'ra is kind of just there, a very "Who cares" role. The fact he just happens to run into her is pretty comical, but ah...okay. It's a movie. L337 is a walking irritation to rivaling Jar Jar Binks levels of annoying. The entire time I had to endure her character, which if you're a screen writer, you don't want the audience to feel they have to endure a role...I just kept thinking "Please die soon, just...please?" And then Darth Maul just shows up? What? I still argue, to this day, bringing back Prince Xizor into lore and he being behind Dryden would have made far more sense.

It's one of those cases of an origin story that, somehow, over the course of a couple days, EVERY definitive trait about the character just miraculously happens. He 1. Gets his iconic blaster. 2. Meets Chewbacca. 3. Meets Lando. 4. The infamous Sabaac game. 5. Becomes a smuggler. 6. The Kessel Run. 7. Gets his freaking NAME. 8. Comes to hate the Empire. 9. Gets the falcon. 10. Heavily implying he's going to meet Jabba at the end. It's just silly, but not in that intentionally whimsy way like say the opening of The Last Crusade. It's more in a "Okay, did we need this explained?" way. I hesitate to say it's a bad film, but I don't think it's a good film either. Just because you can tell a story...doesn't mean you should. Enjoyably average.

But the bright moments? I enjoyed the opening speeder chase, I loved the sort of Industrial planet of Corellia. I even liked that giant worm drug lord creature. I enjoyed the WWI style trench battles, though one of the biggest problems with the film? Cinematography, it's so ...blah. I like Beckett and Lando. I liked the Sabbacc game. I liked the western-style train robbery, though it's always hard to run with suspense in a Prequel film as you know who won't die. Basically it's a film where I'm as my core I say "Eh...it exists," and then just carry on my life. It's not something I'll find myself discussing over and over again. In fact, this might be the most I've ever discussed it.

Oh, the fact that the Imperial March is actually the Empires in-universe recruitment theme is also so bad it's comical.
 
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The way they played Sabacc in the Solo movie, I think they did it wrong.

I remember reading in the Heir to the Empire trilogy books, in Sabacc, people cheat by having a hologram card or whatever and cant remember the exact name of the card but the movie version of Sabacc was a little off
 
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But I mean, I don't really care about the fake logistically rules to a fake space-fantasy card game. I don't care if how Lando cheats doesn't mesh up with the lore. That's an immense nitpick. What I care about is if it's a good scene, to which I think it was arguably the best scene in the movie.
 
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I’ve got to agree on this.

I’ve seen Solo about 5 times now and I have to say it’s a grower, I really enjoy it.

Rogue One however, is something else. The best Star Wars film since Return of the Jedi. I don’t know why Gareth Edwards wasn’t given a chance on one of the sequel trilogy films.
 
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Both films suffer from obvious studio meddling.

Rogue One - It gets better with each viewing. The characters aren't as likable as they should be but it works in the context of the film.

Solo - Does not deserve the cr@p usually thrown at it. Its enjoyable, but it is a list of studio plot points that didn't need to be there & would have served the story better if we waited until part 2 to see Han win the ship or go meet Jabba. & things like the gun & name seemed a little forced.
 
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I enjoyed Solo as a movie. I never saw it at the cinema as I was having a hump about TLJ at the time. I really regret that now - it's visually stunning.

I find Solo to be weird from a collecting standpoint though. For myself, at least - I cannot dedicate any space to an era of Star Wars that is only covered in 2 hours of film and a bunch of characters that are never heard or spoken of again. With Rogue One it sits nicely with the rest of my OT collection as it's the same era/theme.

Mandalorian I find has that problem of being in a weird era too - however due to it's huge popularity and being an extended TV show with hopefully many more seasons to come it doesn't feel that out of place to have space in my home dedicated to it.
 
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I rather liked Rogue — though it should have begun with Jyn’s prison break. Child prologue scenes were silly.

But Solo was a mess. Terrible script. Just awful.
 
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I liked Solo's original origin story better. IIRC he was a pilot on a slave ship carrying wookiees to build the death star (or something like that) -- he freed the wookiees out of sheer compassion (earning a 'life debt' with Chewie)*, he went AWOL from the empire, and the rest is history. we didn't need to see him growing up as an Alladin-style 'street rat' on the means streets of Correllia -- he and chewie should have acquired the falcon (and joined Jabba's Gang) early on. he could have spent the movie working with (and struggling against) Jabba's OTHER employees (greedo and fett).

* as it stands, the movie didn't even touch the idea of the 'life debt' (so we have no idea why chewie is so loyal to him) -- they completely dropped the ball on "characterization" (which is ironic, given the title of the film).

Solo was a mess. Terrible script. Just awful.
agreed.



and as for Rogue One...? there's not much I don't like about that movie. sure, they could have done a LOT differently (and probably should have), but at the end of the day, I still kinda like what they came up with.

to paraphrase comic-book-Wolverine : it is what it is. I like what it is. end of story.
 
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The way they killed everybody off in Rogue was very impressive. They all had a great exit, and starting with the droid was chilling. He went first and it was like the wake up call to me as I watched the film for the first time. Oh, right, he has to die. They ALL have to die. And the deaths they all got were truly memorable.

The way Cassian and Jyn go out is simply spectacular. Despite one clunky on the nose line of dialogue that a studio executive surely demanded.

It’s a very solid film. And the only thing that bums me about Andor is that we can‘t ever see a reunion with Jyn Erso... they were great together and the actress was amazing in the role. Maybe they can do a cheat where they cross paths but dont’ realize it. Though that would be a real stretch.
 
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I rather liked Rogue — though it should have begun with Jyn’s prison break. Child prologue scenes were silly.
I like the opening. Krennic's introduction was great and he wasn't all "evil sinister bad guy" trope either, he's a realistic, but ruthlessly ambitious military officer. Plus Death Troopers....yaaaaay. Easily the best new Imperial trooper we've seen yet.

But 'Rogue One', despite a couple of missed beats, is the best thing to come out of Diswars. Nothing touching it so far.

But Solo was a mess. Terrible script. Just awful.
There's one thing in 'Solo' that I really liked and that was Woody's character. The rest was crap. I like the idea of showing the war on Mimban, but it was just a backdrop really. The reduction of Solo to a "broken heart" cliche sucked and everything we know of him being played out in two hours reduced him even further. In addition, Lando and his sexbot...fkn 'ell. There's just so many bad ideas in that film.

Always felt that that movie would have been much better if it had nothing to do with Hand Solo and was as a true one off story about a band of Imperial soldiers on Mimban who hear about a plan for a heist from a dying officer, so they form their own little plan to execute it instead. Along the way they get into trouble with the Empire, the Rebellion and the criminal gangs who get wind of it too. There's your movie right there and it doesn't schit all over a beloved character either.

'Kelly's Heroes' in a GFFA.
 
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Well, for me - Solo and Rogue One are among the best of Disney-era SW, alongside The Mandalorian.

I absolutely wish that Solo would get a movie sequel, or a TV series continuation, as I believe the best was still yet to come.
 
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I didn't dislike Solo as much as the others, just felt that it wasn't done properly and so I have a few nitpicks. Wasn't sold on Qi'Ra's character that much, had potential but the actress didn't really make me care for the character. Also it's just too weird seeing someone else play Han Solo for me and kind of take me out of the move, if Han was 40 in ANH and this was about his adventure at 20 then maybe I could give it a pass and he'd possibly look different/younger. But it's not, the only way their version makes sense is if he got into bar fight at some point and needed plastic surgery. And Lando, same with him as it is for Han, I just cant get used to not seeing Billy D. That's only reinforced when the feel of this Lando is more smarmy, versus Billy's classy take on the character.

That aside I do feel there was potential to continue the story that was set up and to explore the crime world aspect a little more. Just as with any era in Star Wars there is always more to tell it's simply having the time to tell those other stories and choosing which one to run with that audiences will like.
 
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Solo is so much fun. There’s so much stuff I think it dumb about it. I don’t like how he got his last name, I don’t like L3-37, I don’t particularly like Donald Glover as Lando, I don’t like the stupid Darth Maul cameo, yet despite all of that I can’t help but like the movie. In fact, it was the first time I went into a Star Wars moving expecting to hate it cause I had the Darth Maul thing for me spoiled and I think fundamentally I thought the entire movie was a bad idea. Yet, I came out so happy. I think it really comes down to Alden Ehrenreich and that Joonas dude playing Chewbacca’s chemistry. I just found the two of them so endearing. The fact that I bought this guy as Han Solo by the end is a miracle of filmmaking within itself. That Alden guy really is a fantastic actor. I saw that Coen Brothers movie he did and while it’s a very rare bad Coen Brothers movie, he’s amazing in it. Any scene with him in it, is great. Steals the show. And he’s also great in Blue Jasmine too. Not one of my favorite Woody Allen movies, but his performance definitely sticks out despite how small it is.

I think if you like lore, then Rogue One probably appeals much more to you. But if you like character stuff and see the lore more like window dressing than the driving thing, then you prefer Solo. Which I’m not saying one is inherently more interesting than the other. It’s just even when I was a kid Star Wars as a movie that people made interested me a lot more than the universe within the movie. I was more interested in behind the scenes documentaries than Wookieepedia articles.
 
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