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I mean the character, not his playstyle.
I think the reason for this was that article in the magazine though, where he had a crate with the supposed armor in it.Not really if you consider that people were already drawing conclusions as to DJ's character being Boba Fett, as well.
I completely agree that Star Wars needs to change but this movie does nothing to change the series. The movie ends with all of the characters in the same position that they were in to start the movie (except for Ren) and teases an ongoing rebels vs empire war that we’ve already seen. The movie was also largely a remake of The Empire Strikes Back with a little bit of Return of the Jedi thrown in. If you’re going to kill the past then kill it.My favorite part of the movie is the idea of destruction it presented.
Luke talking about the Jedi needing to end....
Then Kylo telling Rey to destroy the past, the Jedi, the sith, who cares.
That to me was interesting. Star Wars has been creatively bankrupt for 34 years. As a franchise I am completely ready for them to burn the status quo to the ground. Yet everyone seems to just want more of Luke han and Leia. They are great, don't get me wrong. But there story is well over.
When I see people complain about how this movie destroyed star wars I say good. My problem is this movie didn't go far enough. It was close, so close...then it backed away from the edge. It fell into the status quo again.
I hoped to see something truly daring. John wick 2 stuff. Or Farscape.
Right before I went into the movie I turned to my friends and in a half joking manner I said I hope every main character dies. Can you imagine? People are freaking out over Luke just imagine how amazing it would have been for all the mains die. Gimmicky, maybe but it would have been amazing.
But alas, this is a story for children. Somewhere along the line we lost track of that and took a weird personal ownership of this thing.
I love star wars. Always will. But I don't have to like all of it.
That right there is one of biggest peeves about the movie. Everyone who loved it is convinced it was sort of revolutionary change to Star Wars for the better. It's actually a badly done retelling of ESB with some shots stolen from ROTJ.I completely agree that Star Wars needs to change but this movie does nothing to change the series. The movie ends with all of the characters in the same position that they were in to start the movie (except for Ren) and teases an ongoing rebels vs empire war that we’ve already seen. The movie was also largely a remake of The Empire Strikes Back with a little bit of Return of the Jedi thrown in. If you’re going to kill the past then kill it.
Presenting your characters with the tough obstacles is exactly how you write an interesting and 'best' stories : /Speaking of easy, apparently Rian Johnson wrote Rey’s parents to be nobodies because he wanted to write what would be hardest for her to hear. Why not write what’s interesting or what makes the best story?
You didn’t bother to read past the first two sentences did you? Rey being a nobody isn’t the best option for her, the best would be that she not be romantically interested in a murderer and that she somehow be tied to Kylo in a way that makes her feel like she shares his darkness. Instead she is good simply, because, and she is powerful simply, because.Presenting your characters with the tough obstacles is exactly how you write an interesting and 'best' stories : /
Literally every other option for Rey's parents is terrible fan-fiction levels of awful. Her being a 'nobody' is absolutely the least worst option.
Do that then, if it helps : )TLJ’s logic only makes sense if you ignore all of what Star Wars films have been for the last 40 years.
Unlike some fanboys I don’t feel a need to like a movie that I didn’t enjoy.Do that then, if it helps : )
I agree with you YTP... not everyone has to enjoy a film for the same reasons.. I actually enjoyed TLJ for the most part but felt that certain things were off or lack luster... was it my favorite of the series... no but it is in my top 5Unlike some fanboys I don’t feel a need to like a movie that I didn’t enjoy.
Thanks for not being another person trying to convince me to like it.I agree with you YTP... not everyone has to enjoy a film for the same reasons.. I actually enjoyed TLJ for the most part but felt that certain things were off or lack luster... was it my favorite of the series... no but it is in my top 5
Kylo Ren and Rey having tea parties LOL.. yeah the milking of the sea cow was not needed at all, the Canto Bight scene was meh at best (as was the love arc of Finn and Rose), the imaginary Jedi at the end was cool to me but my heart was broken seeing Luke collapse at the end and disappear.. I left the theater with a WTF look on my face as well as a tear.. I felt like my hero really died in real life.Thanks for not being another person trying to convince me to like it.
For me, even if I remove my lifetime of being a fan of Star Wars, I can’t say I enjoyed TLJ. The bad humor up front and throughout and odd pacing as well as what they chose to spend their time on. I felt like I was waiting through the whole movie for some punches to start landing and they never did. I had the same experience with TFA.
I liken it to when you’re watching a particularly boring episode of a good TV series and then with 10 minutes left to go you realize the “interesting” or “fun” parts have already happened and they weren’t interesting or fun. Then you start to think, this is it, nothing can redeem this episode, maybe the next one will give me th me payoff this one felt like it was building too.
That marketing tactic worked on me with TFA in that I assumed a whole movie dedicated to finding Luke Skywalker would give us a really great Luke Skywalker film, even though I didn’t enjoy TFA. About two hours in I started to realize TLJ wasn’t going to payoff anything from TFA or itself.
Ultimately I realized that I’d invested nearly 5 hours into the sequels and most of those 5 hours were building up to something that never happened. What I was left with was a bunch of scenes of Kylo Ren and Rey having tea parties, Rey looking at a mirror, Luke milking a sea cow, space horses, an imaginary Jedi, and bad CGI rocks.
I wanted to feel that way at the end but the character is so removed from the one I grew up with that it didn’t really feel like I lost Luke Skywalker, it was Jake that died.Kylo Ren and Rey having tea parties LOL.. yeah the milking of the sea cow was not needed at all, the Canto Bight scene was meh at best (as was the love arc of Finn and Rose), the imaginary Jedi at the end was cool to me but my heart was broken seeing Luke collapse at the end and disappear.. I left the theater with a WTF look on my face as well as a tear.. I felt like my hero really died in real life.
This. 100% this.The worst part of all this feminist stuff is that, of all movies to make a big deal out of its inclusion, they pick Star Wars. Apparently Kathleen Kennedy and everyone else overly hyping it forgot that Princess Leia was always strong, always a leader, and yet still loved by men and women equally. And who was the original number one leader of the Rebellion - that's right, Mon Mothma! No one complained about that! Beru Lars - she stood up to Owen about Luke's treatment way back in '77, and no one cared. And speaking of strong female characters in Star Wars, the prequels would show us exactly where Leia gets her personality from, and that was from Padme, another strong female. But unlike Disney's vision, Lucas's movies had the males and females as equals, and few, if anyone, had issues with that either. And the best part of it - no one had to hype it! You had characters girls and boys alike could look up to, just because they were who they were. What's happening now is just plain sad and totally unnecessary.
I couldn’t agree more. They could have easily had a female Jedi protagonist, which is the only thing the OT and PT lacked, without ruining the OT and PT protagonists. It’s like equality wasn’t good enough, they wanted revenge. As a whole, Star Wars has underrepresented women historically, but the ones it has featured have always been ******es that could match any of the men. Leia was just as much of a part of their success as Han.The worst part of all this feminist stuff is that, of all movies to make a big deal out of its inclusion, they pick Star Wars. Apparently Kathleen Kennedy and everyone else overly hyping it forgot that Princess Leia was always strong, always a leader, and yet still loved by men and women equally. And who was the original number one leader of the Rebellion - that's right, Mon Mothma! No one complained about that! Beru Lars - she stood up to Owen about Luke's treatment way back in '77, and no one cared. And speaking of strong female characters in Star Wars, the prequels would show us exactly where Leia gets her personality from, and that was from Padme, another strong female. But unlike Disney's vision, Lucas's movies had the males and females as equals, and few, if anyone, had issues with that either. And the best part of it - no one had to hype it! You had characters girls and boys alike could look up to, just because they were who they were. What's happening now is just plain sad and totally unnecessary.
This is well said!I am a feminist, I studied philosophy in college. Bastardizing male characters with a rich history to make female characters look good is not feminism. Look at Mad Max Fury Road, that’s feminism in a sci-fi or action movie, equality not just in how crucial they are to the plot or success of the heroes, but they’re also treated as full people deserving of respect.
That right there is my biggest problem with the whole thing. The feminism, social agenda stuff, assassination of Luke's character etc etc etc...all terrible. The biggest offense was not acknowledging TFA, whether you like it or not, came before it. I guess in this world of millennials with a 6 second attention span it really doesn't matter if a film from 2 years ago that that set everything up is just ignored.This is well said!
The last thing I'll say about TLJ (after having watched it 4 times) is that besides all the other things one might dislike or like about TLJ, I personally think the thing that ruins the film the most is the lack of continuity with TFA and how everything that was building the storyline in TFA is either deconstructed... or totally ignored. A trilogy has to have substance, and the 3 movies has to be tied together, it can't be done if you let different realisator do what they want and reboot everything with each film.
If the very same movie was a stand alone film, without anything regarding the Skywalker family or the storyline of TFA, I probably would have enjoyed it better. You made the parallel with Mad Max : I dislked Mad Max 2 and 3 because in my opinion they didn't catch the essence of the first movie really well, but I have loved Fury Road as it immediately starts with the action and it does its own thing without having to explain or tie things together.
It's referring to Kylo.The editor continued to write, “They want the past back, just like a certain other angry white guy who is portrayed as a somewhat pathetic figure in the films.”
As inaccurate as that stupid sentence is, I should have never had to read that about Luke Skywalker.
Uh... Kylo explicitly says to kill the past, plus look at his well conditioned hair, he’s just a diamond in the rough that needs a big strong independent woman to come along and fix him.It's referring to Kylo.
Upon a second viewing of the film, I definitely agree with this statement.If it seems transparent, it probably is. What I mean is the way they are obviously going out of their way to push feminism, equality and everything. I am all for it, but yes it is very blatant in the ST and adds nothing to the movie. My wife actually said she can't find anything about Rey to like. And this is the character who is supposed to get more girls into SW, or whatever? I always liked Rey but I do see the point in that it's hard to describe anything compelling about her character itself. Yeah I love the new movies, but probably because I don't really think about that stuff when watching them. Without getting too political, I would say they're probably trying to push an agenda with the goal of division rather than unity as they would want to make it seem. Be blatant about it so it seems even stupider to those on the opposite end of the coin, and what do you get? A bunch of people arguing amongst themselves and being distracted from the real problem.
We don't know how much time has passed between TFA and TLJ. It's implied not much (maybe a few hours) but enough to imagine a "Han's dead, mourn later, let's get out of here" speech from Leia.Has anyone noticed how literally nobody gave two flips about Han Solo dying?
Nobody batted an eye.
They never really address how long hyperspace travel takes. Everything setting up the opening battle could have happened while Rey was traveling to see Luke.Funny because the sequence with Rey and Luke picks up right where it left off, and yet for everyone else time seems to have passed. Maybe all this jumping back and forth through hyperspace is messing up the space-time continuum or something.
Same as in ANH when Leia arrived at Yavin base and she said no time for sorrows in regards to AlderaanHas anyone noticed how literally nobody gave two flips about Han Solo dying?
Nobody batted an eye.