The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Thread

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The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Thread

Ok folks with all the questions and talk about coins recently I felt a thread like this was needed. I do not want to have too much discussion in this threads as there are plenty of other threads for that. I want this thread to ONLY contain FACTS. Please keep this in mind if you post.

Hopefully this thread will contain all the information needed on these coins.

Please start by checking the coin chart on the archive HERE

This includes most of the know variations of all the coins. It includes first shot Droids and Ewoks coins and the unproduced ones as well.

Any Ewoks or Droids coin in silver is a first shot.

There are a couple variations missing which will hopefully be added soon.

Additional unlisted coins include

Silver Blank Back 63rd Coin
Gold First Shot Warok Coin
Double Sided Coins (Only 2 Known and they were not part of the production process but something that the employee made at the time)

Blank Bronze Coin (Blank on both sides)


Droids R2-D2 First Shot in Bronze
Kez Iban Silver First Shot Jan Josh Typo on back.
Sise Fromm Silver First Shot with Tig Fromm Back
Tig Fromm Silver First Shot with Sise Fromm Back
Uncle Gundy Silver First Shot Jan Josh Typo on back.

All Unproduced Droids coin PAINTED GOLD except Gaff. Although almost all have only 1 or 2 examples not on carded figures.

Cheif Chirpa and Chituhr PAINTED Bronze
Bondo Silver First Shot with lower case Jovial on the back (Extremely Rare)

13 Bronze POTF Coins Include but may not be limited to
Anakin
Barade
Chief Chirpa
Darth Vader
Han Solo Carbonite
Imperial Dignitary
Imperial Gunner
Lando General
Lando Cloud City
Luke Stormtrooper
Ben Kenobi
Romba
Stormtrooper

The Lando General and Dignitary are much more common then any of the others.

Millennium Minted Coins First Shots are the Thicker Coins with Blank Backs
Chewbacca
Han Solo (Falcon Ramp)
Snowtrooper

There are silver first shots of the 3 Bend-Ems coins.

There are also about 43 Coins that are all silver and are thicker then the basic coin. These coins are NOT vintage coins and were made during the Millennium Minted coin era.

This should be a complete listings of all known coins although it is possible new coins could turn up or that there may be an additional typo coin missing.

Thanks

James G
 

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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Thread

This is a post that relates to the Thicker POTF Coins ONLY.
Special thanks go out to Todd for this indepth explaniation.


Since I'm familiar with the employee who had these coins (I was part of the group of collectors who bought coins from him in about 2000), I'll try to clarify what gaps I can. There are some parts that are inconclusive, which is why I think there has not been many definitive postings on the topic by others who have seen the coins in question.

First, I definitely do not think these coins are vintage in terms of being made in 1984-86. Second, while not vintage, I do not think the source of these coins produced them recently, and do not think there was ill intent on his part.

Some background to clarify my conclusions: the same company that made about 40 different coins for the vintage line also made the Millennium Mint reissues in the 90s. The aluminum thickness of the coins in question matches those of the Millennium Mint coins, and also matches some aspects of Millennium Mint prototypes that surfaced from other sources.

The coin source confirms that his company did run some samples for Kenner at the time of Millennium Mint, but continues to insist that he was able to tell the difference between samples he'd kept from the 80s and those he kept from the 90s. He eventually came to accept that there was some reason to doubt that conclusion, and from I have been told offered a full refund to the person he had sold them to, who in turn said he had offered full refunds to any of his buyers if they were skeptical about their vintage. These are second-hand accounts that I cannot confirm, but I trust that they are true.

I have several reasons for believing these are Millennium Mint era samples and not reproductions made for the collectors market. First, the coin source has not worked for the coin company for years. Second, there appear to have been equivalent numbers of each coin style available, including coins that only sell for a couple dollars each at full retail (Warok, EV-9D9, etc.) and it does not seem worth his time to have gone through the trouble of setting up to make these.

It has been suggested that since the thicker coins were not offered for sale as part of the 2000 find suggests they were made more recently (the thicker coins first popped up in 2005), but having seen how this guy stores stuff in general it seems completely plausible to me that these were simply stored elsewhere in his house and he found them later. Consider how small coins are—quite a few can fit into a small space among other items. It’s one of the reasons many Kenner employees still have them years later when other things have been thrown out—they take up very little space and more easily survive moves, spring cleaning, etc.

Regarding the important question of whether these belong to the vintage era, I strongly believe they are not. On the other hand, I do not have any concerns that the source cranked these out recently to meet collector demand, and as far as I know there should only be 10 or so at most of any of these coins. It seems like some pieces have circulated through several different sellers in the past year or so, though, spreading them around the hobby a bit since POTF coins tend to change hands a lot in general.

To place these pieces in what I believe to be their proper context then, these could be considered prototypes or samples, but from the Millennium Mint era, which is a significant difference to most collectors. Still interesting in their own way, but not an equal substitute for a vintage coin.

Todd

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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Th

Post removed to ensure simultaneous discussion does not occur on the same topic given the newly posted seperate thread. -Mike
 
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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Th

Is there a detailed account of the small Luke Pilot coin. I know Toys R Gus states it was an early proto, and about 400 or so are out there, but is there a mroe detailed account of this coin's story posted anywhere?
 
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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Th

Most of the coins out on the market today came from one man: Steve Denny - who, I believe, bought them at a flea market in Cincy sometime in the late 80's. Other have been foudn here and there, but nothing on the magnitude of that stash, as far as I know.

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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Thread

James, can you tell me a little bit more about the coins that were produced as prototypes.
I know some of them like the Luke small coin, the "frosted" Lando, the Luke Jedi early coin or some others concerning the droids and ewoks series.
But what are their scarcity, how much were produced and how did they go to the second market ?
 
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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Thread

With all the restrike discussion lately, I've posted a list of the re-struck coins. I may have over looked a few but I think the list is pretty accurate.



Power of the Force

2-1B
A-Wing
Amanaman
AT-AT
AT-ST Driver
Bib Fortuna
C3PO
Chewie
Creatures
Emperor
ERG
EV-9D9
Gammorrean Guard
Han Original
Han Trench Coat
Hoth Trooper
Jawa
Jedi Knights(63rd)
Leia Poncho
Logray
Luke Poncho
Luke X-Wing
Luke Bespin
Lumat
Millenium Falcon
R2-D2
TIE Pilot
Warok
Wicket
Yoda
Zuckuss



Droids & Ewoks

C3PO
Governor Koong
Jessica Meade
Jord Dusat
Kea Moll
Kez-Iban
King Gomeesh
Kleb Zellock
Mungo Baobab
R2-D2
Thall Joben
Uncle Gundy
Vlix

Hope this helps,

-Chad
 
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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Thread

Here is a list of the basic 62 coin set by catagory, excluding prototypes & variants. If I missed anything please let me know so I can correct it. Info from SWCA Coin Chart.

Catagory 1:
Amanaman
A-Wing Pilot
Barada
EV-9D9
Han Solo (Carbonite)
Imperial Dignitary
Imperial Gunner
Lando Calrissian (General)
Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper)
Luke Skywalker (Poncho)
Lumat
Paploo
Romba
R2-D2 (Pop-Up Lightsaber)
Warok

Catagory 2:
Anakin Skywalker
AT-ST Driver
Biker Scout
B-Wing Pilot
Chewbacca
C-3PO
Darth Vader
Emperor
Gamorrean Guard
Han Solo (Trenchcoat)
Jawas
Luke Skywalker (X-Wing Pilot)
Luke Skywalker (Jedi Knight)
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Princess Leia (Endor)
Stormtrooper
Teebo
Wicket
Yak Face
Yoda

Catagory 3:
Chief Chirpa
"Creatures"
Emperor's Royal Guard
Han Solo (Hoth)
Luke Skywalker (Original)
Logray
TIE Fighter Pilot

Catagory 4:
AT-AT (Vehicle)
Bib Fortuna
Boba Fett
"Droids"
Greedo
Imperial Commander
Lando Calrissian (Original)
Luke Skywalker (Hoth)
Millenium Falcon (Vehicle)
Star Destroyer Commander

Catagory 5:
2-1B
FX-7
Han Solo (Original)
Hoth Stormtrooper
Luke Skywalker (Bespin)
Princess Leia (Boushh)
Princess Leia (Original)
Sail Skiff (Vehicle)
Tusken Raider
Zuckuss
 
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This list isn't written in stone, right? There are CAT 5 coins on your list that are "easy" to get and some of your CAT 4s are near impossible. I think Greedo and Luke Hoth definitely deserve a CAT 5 designation. The Luke Bespin coin is everywhere. I think when this list was made some of these coins may have been more elusive than others but now after all of these years of collecting, I think this list should be updated, what do you think?

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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Thread

I have no idea what coin is harder or easier to find outside of the Last 17. I compiled this list because there was no breakdown (that I could find) of coins by just catagory. Most are alphabetical with catagory refrenced along with a bunch of prototypes thrown in. I'm not sure and correct me if I am wrong but the SWCA catagory has nothing to do with how scarce a coin is, but how it was released. Yes, No? I just wanted a list that was easy to follow.
 
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Hmm... I guess if the list was made based on how the coins were distributed, then I guess I am fine with the list, but if it's based on scarcity I think the list should be modified, just minor changes. Is Luke Bespin really a CAT 5 coin?

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syzygy777 said:
Hmm... I guess if the list was made based on how the coins were distributed, then I guess I am fine with the list, but if it's based on scarcity I think the list should be modified, just minor changes. Is Luke Bespin really a CAT 5 coin?

\\Sean
The article was written quite a while ago. The thing with coins is availability can change at any time. I seem to remember at one time Luke Bespin being one of the harder coins to come by. Obviously since then more of them have been found and brought to the market, so now it is a much easier coin to get.

I remember hearing something around the time of CIV about a revision to the categories, but haven't heard anything new since then.
 
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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Th

Here is a description of the different categories from the previous mentioned article.

I. Coins for characters introduced during the POTF era that were found bundled with carded figures. Kenner produced these new figures in greater proportions than characters that had previously appeared on a card, hence these coins are the easiest to find.

II. This category pertains to coins for characters that were found on POTF card but had also appeared on earlier cards. These coins are less common than the POTF exclusives in Category I.

III. These are mail-away exclusive coins (i.e. they were never bundled with carded figures). Coins in this category are almost as common as coins that appeared on card as these coins were the most likely ones to be received via the POTF coin mail away offer.

IV. Tougher mailaway-only coins. Some of these were shipped to consumers, but in far fewer quantity than Category III coins.

V. Coins in this category are extremely rare. Most people attempting to complete POTF sets spend half their time looking for this small set of coins. Extremely few of these coins were made available to the public and most of the coins in circulation from this category were obtained directly from Kenner employees.

VI. Prototype coins and rare variations. Coins in this category are so limited that only a small handful of each is known to exist.
 
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Re: The Comprehensive POTF, Droids & Ewoks Coin Th

Hello Shawn,

A revision is definitely needed, some of those CAT 4s can easily be placed in CAT 5, And Luke Bespin is definitely an easy coin to find.

\\Sean
 
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Yes, I agree. I revision is definitely needed by someone in the know...

around 2000 I sold several Luke Bespin coins for close to $200 each, now they fetch much, much less and are much more common and would rate them Cat. 3, I think.

Meanwhile, both Chirpa and Creatures coins seem to be very scarce now... I remember selling both of these coins in the $50-70 range back in 2000... now they're selling for 4 times that...
 
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Does anyone have a comprehensive list of trademarkless coins? Can anyone elaborate on the origins of those coins? Several of the POTF trademarkless coins seem to be the same coins issued under the MM run. Is this coincidence? I have heard that there are some Droid and Ewok trademarless variations out there too, anyone know for sure?

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I know for sure that the Han Solo (original coin) exists without trademark. I have heard the emperor coin exists sans trademark.

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Are the Droids & Ewoks coins Gold and Bronze plated? Meaning, they are Silver in color underneath? Thanks in Advance.
 
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Jedi534 said:
Are the Droids & Ewoks coins Gold and Bronze plated? Meaning, they are Silver in color underneath? Thanks in Advance.
Yes, they were dyed/anodized.

-Chad
 
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Hello to all the coin collectors,

I see this was a thread started for Kenner coin facts. I recently started collecting again and tried to track down the unproduced coins, especially with the recent big find. A lot of these were without TM which was something I had not concentrated on before.

This rekindled interest made me revisit the original 62 POTF coins to see if there was any other details that often get overlooked in the common popular collections. I did find that Wicket is the only produced POTF coin that does not have TM after the 'May the Force be with you' on the reverse of the coin.
Also that only four of the coins with a 1984 licence have a dot after the year on the face of the coin and these are Anakin, A-Wing Pilot, Luke Endor and Sail Skiff. This dot between the year and LFL is prevalent on the 1985 coins.

Has everyone else noticed this or is it a new piece of trivia?

 
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Hopefully this is the right place to ask. I searched but I couldn't find a definitive answer. I was wondering if anyone knows of a successful way to polish or clean POTF coins? Or should I just leave them be?
 
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Hey fellas... can anyone who knows Droids coins tell me how I did with this recent lot I grabbed. everywhere I looked and added up values I cleaned house but injust don't know if infound the correct values in the first place... scares me cuz I feel the lot should have fetched a lot more... lease lmk... I am just starting to pit a full set of coins together... all I have is this lot and both bobs coins... potf and Droids. lmk please... I'm gonna ramp up my efforts around march... gonna go fpr cheapies first but would rather get lots to keep the expense down.

thanks fellas

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Hello tweekem,

A good collection of 10 coins with 8 still on card backs. I wouldn't be concerned over the bargain price as Droids/Ewoks produced coins are not in high demand by POTF coin collectors; only Boba and to some degree the A Wing pilot Droid coins have a heftier price tag due to their lack of availability.
These coins should be mint condition and are still carded, that is where you have prospered from a collectors perspective. If I needed to replace these coins it wouldn't cost more than 20 USD each.

Keep collecting!
 
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Wow... thanks bud. I'm totally enthralled with the pic you posted... extremely nice collection! Can u tell me how to spot fakes? that is my biggest concern... also.. where can I get that coin holder poster type thing u have your coins in? been looking a lot with no results... im gonna complete my set for sure... maybe not all the variants but one of every produced coin for sure.. then if I like it enough I may go for un produced then variants... I am tired o most of my current collection so know the funds will be there as I sell so...

Thanks again... I really appreciate any advice u can give me.
 
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Wow... I didn't notice how many grammar errors I had in my first post... wife took the laptop in the separation so all I have is my surface and I can't turn off the spell check/word insert thing.. the only coins I have are both Bobas and amanaman. one last question for today.. how many Droids coins were there.. produced and un produced. Same with the Star Wars vintage coins. I want to make a checklist of all produced and a separate one for unproduced. To be honest I don't know why the coin bug bit me... I got every single TAC coin when those come out a few years back.. then I picked up the Droids boba then the cat 5 boba. Amanaman I grabbed for giggles n now I must have em all.
 
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Hello again,

There are two easy reference guides for identifying the coins; follow these links.
The Comprehensive Guide to POTF, Droids, and Ewoks Coins
Coining A Galaxy - A Guide to Kenner's Star Wars POTF, EWOKS & DROIDS Coins
Metal fakes are rare and usually not up to scratch with production coins. Go with the weight and check for a line on the ridges for white metal repro's. This thread has info on thick thin coins at the start. Casts from molds taken from originals are used for recards and these are resin. Once you get into prototypes get it it authenticated if in doubt. Custom frames are difficult to get hold of but there is no reason you cannot make one or ask a framer to do it for you.
PM with any other questions but the guides should give a wealth of info.
 
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Hello ,

I have spent the past week looking for coins that I don't have and checking the guides. I had difficulty tracking pictures for all of the Lando Rebel General variations but there is supposed to be 5 coins? I looked in my own collection and noticed that there is variations with the silver coins that is associated with the carded figure.

I found that the main differences are the positioning of Rebel General moves from left to right when comparing a prototype to the production coin. There is also a silver coin with much better defined stars similar to a prototype but with more of them and the Rebel General is also further to the left than the production coin.



This is what I think is the 5 different coins. TOP: Bronze, Frosted & Production (smooth finish). BTM: Star variation & Production (rough finish).



Here is the two coins that look similar to all carded coins. The coin on the right has extra stars and Rebel General is further to the left than normal. The coin on the left has exactly the same detail as a normal coin but the finish is coarser and detail like Lando's wrinkles on his brow are hidden.


The coin that is a true variation that I have not been able to find any info on. The stars are better defined. There is an extra star beneath the L on Lando which is not on the prototypes either. There is also an extra 2 stars beneath the left hand star under the Falcon and Landos shoulder lines up with the start of the letter E and not the end of the letter E on Rebel; the spacing between Rebel and General is also different compared to a production coin.

Has anyone any knowledge on this coin as it is difficult to find any details on it. Feedback needed!

My guess is that it is an early coin like the other prototypes but Kenner got rid of the extra stars from the molds and were still playing about with the position of the Rebel General for aesthetics prior to production.

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Slack day at work!

WAROK,

One of the coins minted on the 'who cares day' with rotated text on the reverse of the coin!

 
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Lando Cloud City mis-strike,

Another coin produced on the same day as previous post perhaps?

The lower coin in the pic has no signs of metal removal or severe damage and is fully anodised. The edge of the coin is thicker but it is the correct weight for this coin when compared to correctly stamped coins from the vintage line. It is as thick as the Hoth Stormtrooper coin.



The coin face has lost most of the detail and the reverse is missing half the letters on the left hand side of the text. It looks like the coin has been severely damaged but it shows no sign of the abrasion needed to shear the metal from the surface to cause this anomaly. It is as shiny and evenly plated as the other mail away coins. It does not have the squashed edge that goes thick to thin like the other coins.

I would be interested to know if there are any other mis-strikes out there!
 
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Greetings,

Very informative! I never imagined there were so many coins some of which are super rare.


Cheers,

Fernando
 
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I have a question. How much for a full 62 coin set mounted and framed? I see a few out there and am getting close to biting but I don't want to grossly overpay.
 
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Ok... here is a list of coins I have... most are on cut out cards. I want to get as many coins on card as I can and find as many as I can that are sealed. If anyone can point me to a place where I wont get gouged to heck I would really appreciate it. These will never leave my collection. I would also like a line to an updated price guide and anyone who may produce the case/poster thing we see these displayed in... or blueprints so I can build my own. I'm pretty serious about getting this done.... I know it may take a few years but that's fine... I've acquired all of these with the exception of the Bobas within the last yea... they were all $10 or less each... I feel I got a decent deal... guess that's what matters eh?


Star Wars POTF/Droids/Ewoks Coin list


POTF

Sealed on POTF card

Imperial Dignitary x2 one on great full card
R2-D2 w.pop up Saber x2 one on great full card
Luke Skywalker Rebel Leader – on Endor Speeder
Luke Skywalker Rebel Leader – Stormtrooper Disguise w.eyes
Han Solo – Carbon Freeze
Lando Calrissian – Rebel General
A-Wing Pilot – Rebel
Imperial Gunner – Empire
Romba – Ewok
Warok – Ewok


Loose in case

Amanaman
Boba Fett


Ewoks

Sealed on Ewoks card

Shaman – Dulok
Wicket – Ewok Scout
Logray – Ewok Shaman
Scout – Dulok
Urgah – Dulok
King Gorneesh – Dulok

Loose in baggie

Scout – Dulok
Shaman – Dulok


Droids

Sealed on Droids card

R2-D2 – Droids
C3-PO – Droids
Uncle Gundy – Prospector
Kez Iban – Lost Prince
Tig Fromm – Techno-Villan


Loose in baggie

Sise Fromm – Gang Leader


Loose in case

Boba Fett
 
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Ok... I really need to correspond with someone who knows these coins. I have an oppertunity to get a set of 62 with a custom frame. Price is a tad over 10k... I will have the funds ready by July... any help is very appreciated.

Derek
 
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