I agree with every word. Don't get me wrong, I still greatly enjoyed this season...but it was the weak link for me so far. The 80's pop culture references felt more natural in the first two seasons, organic. This time around, some just felt forced. Like for example, Lucas's Coke commercial (calling it product placement would imply it's at least somewhat subtle like Hopper and co. eating Burger King) or the Neverending Story song. The song totally undercut the seriousness of the scene. Like I said, I would have been fine if it was a LINE of dialogue from the song but...an ENTIRE SPLIT SCREEN BALLAD OF THE ENTIRE SONG?! REALLY?! Prior seasons, they felt like they were inserted into a scene for fun. Now entire scenes feel created just FOR the reference.It’s admittedly a fun Season. A tad too much cutesy fluff that’s too heavily reliant on nostalgia (Dustin’s duet with his GF is cute but just so OTT try-hard moment that it takes me out of the action sett), and not enough of the more intense tone that sold the story of the previous Seasons. And that makes it the weakest Season in terms of its story.
Every 80s-cliche I can think of is thrown in this Season, making it too gimmicky and full-on an 80s-tribute: Apparently even Alexei and Hopper’s “cherry slurpee” fight is ripped off/borrowed from— or an homage to an episode of The Golden Girls… The nostalgic trappings are just too much at times. Hoping that Season 4 will remember its more darker roots and not be so cutesy-fun and reign in the 80s-trope.
(And why is The Cutting Crew’s I just Died In Your Arms Tonight featured in a show set in 1985 when the song was released in 1986???? For a show that’s so reliant on its 80s nostalgia, such a mistake should have been easily corrected. Unless they just didn’t care.)
Well exactly, like I said...the first two seasons had 80's references that (for me) felt organically inserted into the scenes. Here is just feels like a game of 80's reference Mad Libs. Now granted, some of them absolutely did still work...but this is the first season where I felt some of it also didn't work. It felt like a gimmick.^^^ LOL @the blatant product placement… now with added scenes built around the product!
It’s unfortunate that it’s the 80s-tropes that are overriding the story here. Because once the novelty wears off, it’s not that fun anymore. But it really shows what a solid cast, and what a naturally electrifying vibe they all have with one another when they can make such silly gimmicks a fun ride. (Take note Disney when it comes to your SW.)
Now let’s please move on from That 80’s Show come Season 4… (And I'm glad the post-credit sneak peek seems to suggest a return to form for at least one important element of the show, because— this Season’s monster was really… goofy.)
Might be the point though. I mean they're emphasizing two things, the guy is an UBER nerd AND works in a video rental store. If anyone would know, it would be him. But wait...then again...was he the one who said it or did Steve?the very first version of SW with "A New Hope" in the title, was released as part of a Double Feature (c/w the Empire Strikes Back 're-release') in 1981.
but most people didn't see it (having already seen the original theatrical releases in 1977 & 1980, it wasn't widely remembered)
the change was cemented into people's minds in 1985 when the original movie was released on VHS.
(for my money, 1985 was the very first time I saw "A New Hope" in the title -- I did not attend the "double feature" re-release in 1981).
so technically, the change happened in 1981. but this was NOT a part of 1980's "pop culture" -- most people still called it "star wars" in 1985
I read a theory that it's Brenner. It goes that he somehow gets into the Upside Down to escape the Demagorgen and somehow the Soviets find him while conducting their own experiments to access this other dimension. In exchange for his life he has been helping their research.Any guesses as to who the "American" is? (Aside from the very obvious choice)
Writers/directors who listen to the criticisms of the show, and take it in a constructive manner for the better of their work…??? Rather than antagonize and mock the fandom. Wow— what a great, mature attitude… Who’d have thunk?!?!?While I do think Season 3 is the weakest over-all, my least favorite episode (and apparently pretty much everyones) is the punk crew episode in Season 2. By far! It just didn't mesh. At all! Which I heard is exactly why it's not remotely mentioned or those characters explored in Season 3. Apparently the Duffers are aware that episode was NOT received well.
Yes The_Chosen_1 is spot on, it does say it takes place in 1985, so the Back to the Future viewing is accurate. But sometimes those details are easy to miss, so I get it. Plus I'll be honest though, I'm not a total stickler for like the reference has to be SPOT ON accurate to the actual time. As long as it's close, I can let it slide. It's not the point of the story, by any means.Writers/directors who listen to the criticisms of the show, and take it in a constructive manner for the better of their work…??? Rather than antagonize and mock the fandom. Wow— what a great, mature attitude… Who’d have thunk?!?!?
I just took it as the punky kids being Eleven trying out a new clique— as many at that age go through. You know the ones— and we’ve all seen it happen in school: When you first meet them they’re the polite, quiet introverted girls, still dressing like their mums do all their shopping; the next year they come back from summer as faux-punk cuz they went to an Avril Lavigne performance at the mall; then the next year they dress like they’re from The Hills cuz they spent the summer in Calabasas… I don’t mind seeing El try all these different attitudes since she is a teen girl, and she’s shown the full spectrum of behaviour; from innocence (Season 1), to arrogant and angsty (Season 2), to her more mainstream teenybopper phase in Season 3. Wonderful characterization.
(There’s a sheepishly clever scene in Season 2, with Jonathan trying to talk to a Goth girl in full Siouxsie Sioux facepaint at a house party, and asks if she’s into KISS LOL …It’s these little flourishes in details that gives the show that extra boost of charm.)
So Season 3 of Stranger Things is supposed to take place during the summer of 1984?
Then whats up with everyone seeing Back to the Future at the theater? the movie came out in 1985.
Duffer Brothers messed up big time
This season takes place in ‘85.
Getting minor details wrong— most notably songs that were released a year or so later than the year that they’re supposed to be from, is just a minor nitpick, and doesn’t ruin the show the least. Most, if not all the time, they get their 80s-details spot on. And they definitely go beyond sometimes, so they do know their stuff. (I sort of adore and stan that Dustin is infatuated with Phoebe Cates in 1985 LOL She seems sort of an obscure choice, but that only makes Dustin more real. Although I hope that Suzie isn’t added to the crew in Season 4. She’s already pushing my tolerance level in her very limited appearance.)But yes, Farmer, totally agree that Eleven's growth makes sense as far as a teenage girls development. I can let not pin-point accurate 80's pop culture reference slip, but I can't let character stuff go. I think they nailed it pretty well. I myself and likely most of use went through a sort of identity crisis situation through those years. Heck I even abandoned Star Wars and comics for a time because I was an "adult," that's "kids stuff," right? I think every kid goes through that. So it seemed really genuine to me in how it was written, even if I didn't much care for the punk crew.
I am SO with you on Suzie! I had a slew of mixed emotions with her scene. At first, I thought the reveal that "TADA...SHE IS REAL!" was great! But then she, well, spoke. Was it just me or did she come off like an obnoxious caricature of a nerd, some cheap cliche you'd see on Big Bang Theory, instead of a Stranger Things character? Then the long-winded love ballad happens and I was having an awfully hard time swallowing it all. What's kind of funny is the response to this scene. I love The Neverending Story, even the book, but my nostalgia didn't blind me. I just didn't like it. It seems like it's either peoples FAVORITE moment of Season 3 (I've seen so many people on my friends list calling this moment in particular the best moment) or it's their LEAST FAVORITE moment of Season 3. For me, I'm in the "least favorite" camp. So I'm hoping she's a one and done character, but if Lucas's sister is any indication, going from basically glorified extra bumped up to large presence, I don't think we're done with Suzie.Getting minor details wrong— most notably songs that were released a year or so later than the year that they’re supposed to be from, is just a minor nitpick, and doesn’t ruin the show the least. Most, if not all the time, they get their 80s-details spot on. And they definitely go beyond sometimes, so they do know their stuff. (I sort of adore and stan that Dustin is infatuated with Phoebe Cates in 1985 LOL She seems sort of an obscure choice, but that only makes Dustin more real. Although I hope that Suzie isn’t added to the crew in Season 4. She’s already pushing my tolerance level in her very limited appearance.)
You know, JJ’s Super 8 sort of had that charm in the 1st Act… The kids, and admittedly JJ’s direction, were solid, initially. But post-train crash… it devolved into such a derivative mess, I can’t remember what happened, it was such a shame he couldn’t keep it together (and seems to be a pattern of his…). And as much as Stranger Things bears similarities to Super 8, it supersedes it in every imaginable way, keeping the momentum for nearly 30hrs through a span of 3 Seasons. That’s exhaustively impressive. Hopefully they can keep it going for the next Season. And more importantly at this point, know when to end it.
Okay good, I totally missed that and when my girlfriend brought it up, I thought MAN that WOULD BE a HUGE plot hole. Glad they covered it and I just missed it is all. As for Hopper, I don't think he's dead, but I agree it seems almost too obvious it's him in the prison cell. It could be a bait and switch. I'm going to guess they made it so heavily appear to be Hopper that it's not. They lead you to believe he IS dead...again...only to then bait again and reveal he IS alive.^^^ Yes, they did address that 30 people died: It was done in a clever, news/tabloid-style montage segment. very tight and fast.: The impression is that the media has spun the Hawkins tragedy to the outside world as a town full of loons, fully immersed in whacky government conspiracy beliefs and small-town occult superstitions. Basically, they’ve written off the events of the town as crazies run amok. It’s a perfectly, and creatively acceptable conclusion.
The editing is amazingly lean and clean on this show. And the showrunners have been exceptional with their thoroughness and thoughtfulness— and likely, planning out the plot points in advance. It’s not illogical that the “American” held prisoner in the Soviet base could very well be Brenner and not Hopper, since in The Lost Sister episode, it’s revealed to El when she and the punky crew go hunting for those that worked for Brenner, that Brenner is actually still alive…
It's the weakest for me, but no doubt it's still darn great. I adore the show! It introduced some great new characters and ideas. I always love the throwbacks to classic films. Aliens was def. the main one for Season 2, but I caught the references in here too. But the one you didn't mention, did you catch that one Russian hitman is TOTALLY the Terminator? Even right down to, when Hopper hits his head off that gear work, him getting up is shot just like the reveal of him having a machine endoskeleton in Terminator. Shot exactly the same!Coming late to this party - I just recently binge-watched ST S03. Excellent! I'm probably in the minority here, but this is definitely my favorite season of the three (so far). I enjoyed all of the '80's references & excellent '70's & '80's rock/pop soundtrack. And, I didn't mind that a song placement may have been slightly inaccurate (i.e., a song featured not being released until a later year, etc.)
This season definitely seemed more epic in scope than previous ones, and I liked the effects & character arcs. The monsters/creatures were very grotesque/menacing, and I liked the "Invasion of the body snatchers" aspect.
-The scene when Will was trying to get Lucas & Mike involved in the D&D campaign - even though they had obviously lost interest - was kind of sad, but also realistic. Most of the kids were pairing up (which you saw the beginnings of in previous seasons), and growing out of "childish" things.
-The popularity of "The Mall" as a hang-out place for the kids/teens brings back memories of that era. I know that in this season the Mall "taking over" the community was part of the sinister motivations of the "bad guys", but the truth is: Malls did come into communities & took away business from the smaller stores that had been established in the area for years beforehand.
That being said, Malls being popular are a thing of the past - thankfully; I always hated them. It's interesting that many of them around the country have actually gotten torn down/abandoned in the past 7-10 years. How times have changed.
-Very nice that Joyce Byers decided to adopt El, after Hopper had presumably been lost.
-The video store scene at the end (when Steve & Robin were trying to get jobs) was hilarious, and made it look like only those with an impressive knowledge of film would get hired at these stores - which couldn't be further from the truth. I.e., being a huge movie aficionado that definitely remembers video stores to a great extent, I thought it was funny that I (who never worked in one of these places) typically knew a lot more about film(s) than the employees did - LOL.
-I never thought that Dustin's girlfriend was imaginary, even when he first mentioned her. It would have been too obvious if that had been the case.
-It was an interesting "twist" to have Robin & Mike nothook up, which would have been totally predictable. I did mis-read her making fun of & berating him (for failing to hook up with the various female customers) and her various other good-natured insults - as interest on her part. When she later admitted who she really liked, I was surprised - which was obviously the whole point.
Some of my favorite homages:
-The various Aliens references were great!
-Erica (Lucas' little sister) wearing a dorky hat with flash-lights attached so she could see in the tunnel seemed like a homage to "Data" in Goonies - LOL.
-Hilarious that the Russian (who couldn't speak any English) referred to Hopper as a "Fat Rambo" - LOL.
-There was even a "Paul Blart: Mall Cop" (2009 comedy film) reference, when Robin, Steve, and Erica were stuck in the elevator - LOL.
I guess there will be a S04 (since S03 ended on a cliff-hanger), but not sure I want to see anything beyond that; they should definitely quit while they're ahead.