Star Wars Myths: Fact or Fiction

[MysterioMaximus]

Today a friend of mine brought up the ANH Toshie Station deleted scenes and I'd always wondered...is there any truth to the actress playing Camie having done adult work and the scenes were subsequently cut do to this discovery? I think I heard there's some actual truth to this, but that her past work was not the ACTUAL reason why the scenes were deleted. I'm not certain though.

But then it got me thinking of other things I've heard throughout the years; The Wampa scene having been included to simply just explain away Mark Hamill's altered face after his car accident, the infamous brown vs. blue coat Hoth Han debate and if there is a definitive answer (for decades I've still had people tell me it's definitively brown and other say it's definitively blue), is there really a potato in the Asteroid field chase, did George...really...intend on nine films and why do I recall hearing sometime in early HS about how there was this Holy Bible somewhere that had all of them written out? I certainly do recall hearing Dark Lord of the Sith before ever actually used on screen in TPM, same with having heard of this epic Obi-Wan vs. Anakin battle about a volcano far, far before ROTS. Anyone else hear any of these or any others I haven't mentioned? Anyone have any insight or care to share what they've heard/know/experienced? Thought it would be a fun topic.

 

[Oofa]

Today a friend of mine brought up the ANH Toshie Station deleted scenes and I'd always wondered...is there any truth to the actress playing Camie having done adult work and the scenes were subsequently cut do to this discovery? I think I heard there's some actual truth to this, but that her past work was not the ACTUAL reason why the scenes were deleted. I'm not certain though.

But then it got me thinking of other things I've heard throughout the years; The Wampa scene having been included to simply just explain away Mark Hamill's altered face after his car accident, the infamous brown vs. blue coat Hoth Han debate and if there is a definitive answer (for decades I've still had people tell me it's definitively brown and other say it's definitively blue), is there really a potato in the Asteroid field chase, did George...really...intend on nine films and why do I recall hearing sometime in early HS about how there was this Holy Bible somewhere that had all of them written out? I certainly do recall hearing Dark Lord of the Sith before ever actually used on screen in TPM, same with having heard of this epic Obi-Wan vs. Anakin battle about a volcano far, far before ROTS. Anyone else hear any of these or any others? Anyone have any insight or care to share what they've heard/know/experienced? Thought it would be a fun topic.

I had a script in print at some point which contained the lava part, I remember reading that part, but never finished the MANY pages.
So I think there is some truth to it.

 

[VideoViper]

The Wampa had nothing to do with Mark’s face per a Mark Hamill interview.

The coat is brown, however due to color issues when filming in snow, it appears blue, as does the rest of the picture.

The potato & shoe are in the astroriod field. Spray painted.

As far as a bible, yes & no. It would be common practice to write a background summary that can be referenced, this is we’re chewie being 200 years old, Sith &whills come from even though it’s not said in the movie. This did not actually map out 9 movies.

The volcano is a carry over from Marvel comics. Glad they kept that one.

 

[Scratch]

Actually, the Obi-Wan/Vader volcano duel comes from a George Lucas interview with Rolling Stone in late 1977 a few months after the original release of Star Wars (he is talking about future SW films in this part):

"It’s about Ben and Luke’s father and Vader when they are young Jedi knights. But Vader kills Luke’s father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in Star Wars, and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being. That’s why he has to wear the suit with a mask, because it’s a breathing mask. It’s like a walking iron lung. His face is all horrible inside. I was going to shoot a close-up of Vader where you could see the inside of his face, but then we said, no, no, it would destroy the mystique of the whole thing."

Here is the link to the full Rolling Stone interview (great read, BTW): https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/george-lucas-the-wizard-of-star-wars-2-232011/

The volcano tale would be picked up over the years by other official publications, including the Return of the Jedi novelization (when Ben is talking to Luke after Yoda's death) and the Star Wars Sourcebook by West End Games in 1987.

And Vader being a Dark Lord of the Sith was from the original Star Wars novelization in 1976. However, I believe that "Sith" was first used onscreen in TPM.

 

[pmeguy]

Actually, the Obi-Wan/Vader volcano duel comes from a George Lucas interview with Rolling Stone in late 1977 a few months after the original release of Star Wars (he is talking about future SW films in this part):

"It’s about Ben and Luke’s father and Vader when they are young Jedi knights. But Vader kills Luke’s father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in Star Wars, and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being. That’s why he has to wear the suit with a mask, because it’s a breathing mask. It’s like a walking iron lung. His face is all horrible inside. I was going to shoot a close-up of Vader where you could see the inside of his face, but then we said, no, no, it would destroy the mystique of the whole thing."

Here is the link to the full Rolling Stone interview (great read, BTW): https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/george-lucas-the-wizard-of-star-wars-2-232011/

The volcano tale would be picked up over the years by other official publications, including the Return of the Jedi novelization (when Ben is talking to Luke after Yoda's death) and the Star Wars Sourcebook by West End Games in 1987.

And Vader being a Dark Lord of the Sith was from the original Star Wars novelization in 1976. However, I believe that "Sith" was first used onscreen in TPM.

I hadn't read that Rolling Stone article in years and years. Thanks for providing that link.

Not to go off on a tangent, but it is these types of tidbits, which is all we kids had to cling to between movies, that generated spectacular stories in our young minds that filled in all the gaps. For three very impressionable years we believed that 3-4 friends (Anakin, Darth, Obi Wan, and maybe Owen) had adventures together until one of them was corrupted and turned evil, killing Anakin. So to find out in 1980 that Darth was Anakin was HUUUUGE!! Years worth of action-figure adventures unravelled instantly!! After 20+ years, I don't hate the prequels, but I'm still let down by them because they weren't as good as my imagination (which admittedly is somewhat unfair to George Lucas).

So yes, my friends and I were well aware of the volcano/lava connection, though we couldn't have told you a source for our information.

 

[toadmeister]

My (fallible) memory still thinks I saw the Toshi station & Biggs scenes in the theater in 77!

Could be the Mandella Effect?

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[HothLowlander]

Ill have to dig for the interview{s}with Lucas but I remember him saying there were going to be 12 films. I also recall him saying that Splinter of the Minds Eye could be considered as one of the sequels.

 

[Scratch]

My (fallible) memory still thinks I saw the Toshi station & Biggs scenes in the theater in 77!

Could be the Mandella Effect?

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I read somewhere that people who claimed to have seen the Toshi Station/Biggs footage in 1977 may be confusing that memory with seeing actual photos from that scene in the Star Wars Storybook, a full-color book released in 1978, which is also when they re-released the original movie in theaters (home viewing options were still a few years away).

There is also the Making of Star Wars TV special that aired in late 1977 that had a brief glimpse of the Biggs scene. For example, check the 10:27 mark here:

That may be another source of the Mandella Effect surrounding the Biggs scene.

Incidentally, the Making of Star Wars and Rolling Stone interview with Lucas are really two of the best pieces of Star Wars history if you want to catch a glimpse of what the franchise was like in 1977-78, especially the unknown future and possibilities that lay before it.

 

[Scratch]

Ill have to dig for the interview{s}with Lucas but I remember him saying there were going to be 12 films. I also recall him saying that Splinter of the Minds Eye could be considered as one of the sequels.

It was a Time magazine article in 1978 when Lucas announced there would be 12 movies. I couldn't find the original article but starwars.com briefly mentions it here: https://www.starwars.com/news/the-long-winding-and-shapeshifting-trail-to-episodes-vii-viii-ix

As for Splinter of the Mind's Eye, I recall author Alan Dean Foster mentioning in several interviews that if Star Wars was not a commercial hit (!), then the intent was Lucas could film SotME as a sequel with a lower budget (including no Han Solo/Harrison Ford).

 

[HothLowlander]

It was a Time magazine article in 1978 when Lucas announced there would be 12 movies. I couldn't find the original article but starwars.com briefly mentions it here: https://www.starwars.com/news/the-long-winding-and-shapeshifting-trail-to-episodes-vii-viii-ix

As for Splinter of the Mind's Eye, I recall author Alan Dean Foster mentioning in several interviews that if Star Wars was not a commercial hit (!), then the intent was Lucas could film SotME as a sequel with a lower budget (including no Han Solo/Harrison Ford).

Wow! Thats the article! I think very highly of George Lucas but he says in interviews decades later that there were really only going to be six films lol. (I believe he says 9 films elsewhere lol)

 

[HothLowlander]

I just read it and it reminds me of how much we will miss Rinzler. Yes, he said it in much more detail there

 

[HothLowlander]

Lucas also reverses course a few times about the origins of the Revenge of the Jedi film title " its not my fault" lol.

 

[ChibiSchmoo]

Maybe a parallel thread might be: Lies Your Friends Told You About Star Wars as a Kid

My favorites:

"Star Wars is based on a series of books George Lucas wrote. My dad has them all on his book shelf. No, you can't see them."

"I just saw Return of the Jedi (weeks before it came out). Yoda's sister is in it! And Luke blows up the Death Star with the Force while standing down on Tatooine!'

 

[Scratch]

Maybe a parallel thread might be: Lies Your Friends Told You About Star Wars as a Kid

My favorites:

"Star Wars is based on a series of books George Lucas wrote. My dad has them all on his book shelf. No, you can't see them."

"I just saw Return of the Jedi (weeks before it came out). Yoda's sister is in it! And Luke blows up the Death Star with the Force while standing down on Tatooine!'

I was 5 when Star Wars was released. I vaguely remember that some kids around the same age were convinced that C-3PO, R2-D2, and the Stormtroopers were all robots in real life (nobody knew what to make of Vader). I know now that R2-D2 was a remote control robot at times but back in those days, it was as if the actors didn't exist.

And when everyone wanted to act out Star Wars scenes in the playgrounds, all of the boys got to pick their favorites (Luke, Han, Chewie, Ben, Vader, etc.). However, the girls had to fight over who was Princess Leia. The rest would end up being "Leia's sisters" and they would make up their own "Star Wars-y" names (some would pick names from Battlestar Galactica, so at times Leia had sisters named Athena, Cassiopeia, and Serina).

 

[darthkev_rus181]

MysterioMaximus mention the actress that played Camie, Koo Stark did indeed do some nude scenes, before filming Toshie Station deleted scenes, but they had no bearing GL decision to cut the scene from ANH. Instead, GL decision to cut the Toshie Station scene, led Koo Stark to do a Movie where she spent most of her screen time semi-naked or totally naked, this Movie would later cost her relationship with Prince Andrew of the British Royal Family back in the early 1980s.

The reason why I remember this being the case is because in the 1980s there was a Comedy TV show that was based on the British Tabloids did whole episode on this Royal Scandal, how it was a British Tabloid that brought this Movie to light, how the Queen demanded that relationship between Prince Andrew & Koo Stark come to an end. Of course, the names in this show would be changed to protect all involved, but if you had seen press at the time, you already knew who was truly involve.

Also in 2007, another member of the British Tabloids Press called Koo Stark a Porn Star due these nude scenes in that Movie, she would take libel action against this magazine, she would win an apology & substantial damage.

In 2011 before the wedding of Prince William to Kate Middleton, a member of the British Mainstream Press said that Koo Stark was an early prototype of Kate Middleton & if it wasn’t for the Movie that she did after being cut from ANH, she could have gone on to marry Prince Andrew & become the Duchess of York.

Also, what many people don’t know is that Jeremy Bulloch did do a Movie that could be consider more of an adult Movie than all the Movies of Koo Stark that appear in her birthday suit put together. The Movie in question was very similar to ‘The Confession Series of Movies’ from the 1970s that were comedies with a lot of nude scenes in them.

 

[ZevSenesca]

Also, what many people don’t know is that Jeremy Bulloch did do a Movie that could be consider more of an adult Movie than all the Movies of Koo Stark that appear in her birthday suit put together. The Movie in question was very similar to ‘The Confession Series of Movies’ from the 1970s that were comedies with a lot of nude scenes in them.

Would that be Can You Keep It Up for a Week?

 

[darthkev_rus181]

Well, ZevSenesca get a Gold Star for guessing that the Jeremy Bulloch’s Movie was indeed ‘Can You Keep It Up for a Week?’ Now I will admit to seeing it a couple of times, but not in the last decade or so. Also, that I may be getting it a bit confused with ‘The Confession Series of Movies’ because it was always shown alongside those movies on a lesser Satellite channel here the UK that is no longer in service. And is the reason why I said, ‘Can You Keep It Up for a Week?’ was more of an adult movie than the three Movies in total that Koo Stark appeared in her birthday suit because her Movies did have a storyline that explained why she was naked. Again, it has been a decade or two in some cases, since I have seen some of her movies, where she appeared in her all her glory, but her movies do stand out more in my memories for some reason, maybe because I did have a thing for her back in my youth.

 

[ZevSenesca]

I mentioned it on another thread here some time ago but there was an insistence online many years ago that the scene of Chewbacca howling at the mouse droid on the Death Star was not included in the initial theatrical print in 1977. It seems this has since been debunked. Does anyone know the origin of this misinformation?

 

[General Hoth]

Maybe it is my failing memory, or all the whiskey, but I seem to remember the scene in ROTJ where Leia gets hit in the arm by a blaster and when the camera shows her wound we see what looks like mechanical circuitry.

 

[Lobotscomb]

I remember my friend's mom getting all uppity about my ben cooper Vader costume, because it said Lord Darth Vader on the box, and she took it as a shot at Jesus and he was Satanic.

 

[General Hoth]

I remember my friend's mom getting all uppity about my ben cooper Vader costume, because it said Lord Darth Vader on the box, and she took it as a shot at Jesus and he was Satanic.

LOL, that's awesome!

 

[VideoViper]

I mentioned it on another thread here some time ago but there was an insistence online many years ago that the scene of Chewbacca howling at the mouse droid on the Death Star was not included in the initial theatrical print in 1977. It seems this has since been debunked. Does anyone know the origin of this misinformation?

While I don’t know the specifics, for tv, video cassettes & premium channels it is not uncommon to have different cuts of the movies, some edits to make the movie fit with commercials, or hbo might have a cut with a deleted scene. (Adam’s Family did this)
I suspect this might be the origin of this debate.

 

[toadmeister]

Maybe it is my failing memory, or all the whiskey, but I seem to remember the scene in ROTJ where Leia gets hit in the arm by a blaster and when the camera shows her wound we see what looks like mechanical circuitry.

You were on some serious drugs back in the day dude!


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[General Hoth]

You were on some serious drugs back in the day dude!


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LOL, not back then anyways.

 

[Lobotscomb]

I have a friend whose cousin was on principal photography. I can tell you a great many things were edited out, and there are alternate takes of things we have yet to see. She had let us look through some candid and alt shots and my mind is blown. Her nephew shares stuff with me from time to time but she asks I do not post anything a couple of months ago she let him put a vid together we were allowed to share. He will be posting more sooner or later. I was blown away by some of the cantina shots especially the now known about decapitated ponda boba.

 

[MysterioMaximus]

Maybe a parallel thread might be: Lies Your Friends Told You About Star Wars as a Kid

My favorites:

"Star Wars is based on a series of books George Lucas wrote. My dad has them all on his book shelf. No, you can't see them."

"I just saw Return of the Jedi (weeks before it came out). Yoda's sister is in it! And Luke blows up the Death Star with the Force while standing down on Tatooine!'

That's actually a really fun parallel idea. I LIKE IT! I remember this kid in high school, I was a freshmen, named Josh Valenna...and he told me apparently there were nine books written that were the original layout plans for SW EP1-EP9 and he SAW them. He acted like they were like the Dead Sea Scrolls or something that Indiana Jones would search for. Like some sort of legend that he could confirm was true. I briefly mentioned it in my original post.

 

[VideoViper]

That Ewok was dead when I found him.