Tell that to the Scout Troopers in the Mandalorian!Nobody needs to punch babies
The only issue I had with it, was that Maz was the one to give Chewy the medal. It makes no sense because she wasn't there, was she? She shouldn't have any association to that moment in time, or has that all been retconned too. I guess they could have met shortly after ROTJ, and one night at Chalmun's partying he told her all about how he was shafted.One thing I didn't take in upon first viewing (and initially decried, in error, as being silly but now retract) was Chewie's medal.
Why? It's Han's - held by Leia in her dying clutches and taken from the corpse by Maz Kanata and passed on to Chewie. It's pretty deep.
1] As @BoboFatt wisely pointed out, tone can't be understood in text. That is why the words we use are important. I probably spend 5-20 minutes composing my responses, more if it might be inflammatory. Being negative invites negative responses. That is not to say that I can't say negative things, just that being logical and fair when I do so makes it less explosive than saying, "only an idiot would think that". It also helps to be balanced.1] I remember this comment made by someone a while back. That he and his wife rarely speak about a movie afterwards due to difference in PoV, and fearing a possible argument. This does make sense after seeing posts on this forum, as well as FB and Twitter. That the tiniest disagreement about nothing, can lead to the biggest verbal assaults. We Humans are way too passionate a lot of the time, and often forget that just because we don't agree doesn't mean we or the other person is wrong or right.
It simply means we all see something different, and need to come to terms with that fact.
2] Tell that to the Scout Troopers in the Mandalorian!
3] The only issue I had with it, was that Maz was the one to give Chewy the medal. It makes no sense because she wasn't there, was she? She shouldn't have any association to that moment in time, or has that all been retconned too. I guess they could have met shortly after ROTJ, and one night at Chalmun's partying he told her all about how he was shafted.
That could be it.I think the "idiot" comment was a mistake because Farmer's post was quoted in Cellblock's post where he actually did use the word idiot (Rylo shipper idiots).
LOL Must have missed the fight.
Well that is disappointing. I was looking forward to reading more about your observations and takeaways, both positive and negative, but I get it. If I never hear Umbrella or Work ever again it'd be way too soon.(@BoboFatt, I’m afraid I won’t be participating in any lengthy discussion on ROS LOOL... Doing so would mean I’d have to relive this "movie", and that’s just a much much much worser fate than having to attend a Justin Bieber/Selena Gomez doublebill concert surrounded by thousands of screaming/weeping teen girls. I don’t mean to come down hard on it, I suppose I’m just naturally b*tchy.)
ROS is akin to nearly 3hrs of Umbrella/Work on a loop…Well that is disappointing. I was looking forward to reading more about your observations and takeaways, both positive and negative, but I get it. If I never hear Umbrella or Work ever again it'd be way too soon.
No need to apologize for being insightful and reasonable. That was a good read.I think the big point of divergence is that I think the new things are resoundingly successful. I don't find it preachy to go to a casino planet and confront the class of people profiting off the war...I think that expands the fictional universe, helping to explain the perspective of on-the-ground people in the galaxy who don't get involved because "eh, both sides are bad, I guess." That's interesting, and it helps set up the momentum at the end of the movie, which is that people have a reason to hope and believe in the good guys again. For all the guff the movie gets for saying Star Wars "doesn't matter" and undermining the legacy of Luke, the underlying message is that heroes like Luke are important, that stories like Star Wars show us the real difference between right and wrong, and that they are more important than ever.
Could that be removed from the movie and the plot have continued without it? Sure...but Finn wouldn't have had the experience that got his character to commit to a cause (and not just his one friend and himself), the impact of the finale wouldn't be as clear, and the theme of learning from our failures would have lost a key thread. There also would have been no reason for the First Order to know to go to Crait, since no one would have been captured and bargained with that information. So I do think all of that is important to the story, as well as to the characters and themes.
Same is true for Holdo -- she's absolutely right to not trust Poe with the details of her plan, since as soon as he does find out, he gives those details away over an open channel, which gives DJ the ability to sell the Resistance out when he needs to. Poe's only characterization in TFA is "good pilot" (since he was supposed to die 20 minutes in)...so making his arc in the second movie "hotshot pilot who learns there's more to leading than hotshot piloting" makes a lot of sense. Now, I do think it was intentional that the dynamic is a male character not listening to a female superior officer -- both characters show they have pre-loaded presumptions about the other based on their appearance and gender. is that preaching or shoved-in messaging? Not to me, since I think it adds to the dynamics.
As for the slow chase: it tracks for me that Hux would enjoy toying with his quarry, since he thinks their defeat is now inevitable. It's a true Goldfinger move. And I think a better Episode IX would have played up the tension between Kylo and Hux, with both characters rightly being able to say to the other "you let them get away."
Comedy is, of course, subjective. I think it mostly works, and isn't that far afield from other Star Wars movies. And there's nothing at the level of "Jar Jar steps in poop and then smells a fart" -- I'll take prank phone calls and snarky teacher Luke any day of the week.
Apologies for the long reply -- I'm not aiming to tell anyone they are wrong for not liking it. But I do think that, unlike JJ's entries, there is a clear set of character-driven narratives with thematic weight to them in TLJ. And, crucially, that they both advance and build upon the Star Wars we already had. That, ultimately, is what I think Rian was going for. And while it's clearly not true for everyone, it worked for me.
This is the canon reason for his stupidity at the beginning; believing the enemy's defeat is inevitable, he wants to draw it out, so he has the Dreadnought destroy their already mostly evacuated base first in an effort to demoralize them instead of simply annihilating them right out of the gate, giving them a chance to either escape or mount a counterattack, both of which they do. Hux favors big showy displays in which overwhelming force is brought to bear to actual planning. This same mindset was the reason Starkiller Base existed; it was big, impressive and fired a huge laser. Hux has a child's understanding of war and his approach to fighting reflects this.As for the slow chase: it tracks for me that Hux would enjoy toying with his quarry, since he thinks their defeat is now inevitable.
I disagree about the PT (the badly told bit, madness to disagree about it being clunky).The OT is a classic. Not perfect. But still great. The PT is clunky as all get out, a potentially interesting story badly told, saved by nevertheless knowing what it wanted to be. The ST will go down in history as the trilogy with the identity crisis.
I know what you meant.You may notice I followed "go down in history" with "as the trilogy with the identity crisis." I wasn't praising it. Not everything goes down in history for good reasons.