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Star Wars: Episode VII has officially been announced for a 2015 release date. Discuss!
Star Wars: Episode VII has officially been announced for a 2015 release date. Discuss!
TFA Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens
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If they want to make the fans happy from the start, then do Thrawn. What better way to show that they're on our side than giving us one of the most popular EU characters on the big screen?
While I'd love to see Thrawn on the big screen and in film format, it's not going to happen. George has already said it will derive from an original story and not something that's already been published.
They've announced it'll be a new story...no Thrawn. Sorry. 
I personally hope the threat will be some kind of mystery army (think "Vong" but not-Vong, as in, have normal technology, not snake-swords). The leader should be behind-the-scenes, and not have him directly interact until movie 9. Have the rank-and-file enemies tougher than anything we've seen before (Stormtrooper effect, thank you very much). Make this a serious threat. If it's overturning my EU, it needs to be good.
I personally hope the threat will be some kind of mystery army (think "Vong" but not-Vong, as in, have normal technology, not snake-swords). The leader should be behind-the-scenes, and not have him directly interact until movie 9. Have the rank-and-file enemies tougher than anything we've seen before (Stormtrooper effect, thank you very much). Make this a serious threat. If it's overturning my EU, it needs to be good.
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A part of me wants this to be with the original cast of the OT, but age is a problem, because I'm not sure how much a bunch of kids will feel about seeing Luke cope with space arthritis, or Han telling all the younger fellas to get off his space lawn and you know stuff like that.
Another part hopes they continue a couple of years after 6 recasting the main 3, but it would be strange not seeing Hamill, Fisher, and Ford as them.
Starting with a fresh set of characters sounds like a good option too, but I wanna see Luke, Leia, and Han up there dammit!
Another part hopes they continue a couple of years after 6 recasting the main 3, but it would be strange not seeing Hamill, Fisher, and Ford as them.
Starting with a fresh set of characters sounds like a good option too, but I wanna see Luke, Leia, and Han up there dammit!
Perk up, it's a good thing!
Heh, yeah, I'm looking at this section and it just seems so surreal. Episode VII. Never thought I'd see the day.
I'd say a Mark Hamill cameo is almost a certainty. This quote here is interesting-
“You know, when I first did this, it was four trilogies,” Mark Hamill recalled in 2004, speaking of their conversation in 1976. “Twelve movies! Out on the desert, any time between setups… lots of free time. And George was talking about this whole thing… ‘Um, how’d you like to be in Episode IX?’ ‘When is that going to be?’ ‘2011.’ […] I said, ‘Well, what do you want me to do?’ He said, ‘You’ll just be like a cameo. You’ll be like Obi-Wan handing the lightsaber down to the next new hope.’”
“You know, when I first did this, it was four trilogies,” Mark Hamill recalled in 2004, speaking of their conversation in 1976. “Twelve movies! Out on the desert, any time between setups… lots of free time. And George was talking about this whole thing… ‘Um, how’d you like to be in Episode IX?’ ‘When is that going to be?’ ‘2011.’ […] I said, ‘Well, what do you want me to do?’ He said, ‘You’ll just be like a cameo. You’ll be like Obi-Wan handing the lightsaber down to the next new hope.’”
I'd say the EU fans need to brace themselves for a reboot. I can't honestly imagine them being able to release a new film every 2-3 years without bumping into all the nuanced history of the EU.
If they are smart they will come out and say that they are rebooting. Otherwise every film will have one diatribe after another over some component in the conflicted EU chronology. Like an Ithorian colony was put on the wrong side of a planet.
I am looking forward to rediscovering Star Wars again. We knew how the prequels would end. Now we start a whole new road. One we haven't seen on film since 1982!
If they are smart they will come out and say that they are rebooting. Otherwise every film will have one diatribe after another over some component in the conflicted EU chronology. Like an Ithorian colony was put on the wrong side of a planet.
I am looking forward to rediscovering Star Wars again. We knew how the prequels would end. Now we start a whole new road. One we haven't seen on film since 1982!
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Well there's a heck of a lot of stromtroopers and commanders that weren't on DS2, not to mention Kamino can always pump out some more...
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I don't think Storm Troopers are Clones. I personally hope they are not clones. The 501st probably won't like this but I honestly hope we don't even see a single Storm Trooper in this new Trilogy.
I don't think Storm Troopers are Clones. I personally hope they are not clones. The 501st probably won't like this but I honestly hope we don't even see a single Storm Trooper in this new Trilogy.
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In EU Kamino factories were distroyed from memory but who knows what Disney could do.
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My mind has been going a mile a minute since the announcement. This is CRAZY! However it turns out, this whole idea is CRAZY and I need to say that once for the record.
Deep breath. Phew. Now then. Here come some thoughts about what we're looking at.
First, the droids. C-3PO and R2-D2 have to be there, or it's not Star Wars. They can get wormed in there however, even by pure chance if you like, since that's how they got into the OT in the first place.
The heroes can be either Luke/Han/Leia in their advanced middle age, or a whole new cast, like with Star Trek: The Next Generation. Either approach could succeed or fail, depending on how well it's done. I like the idea of seeing only Luke making a cameo somewhere, and if one OT person needs to appear it's him. An all-new cast would have the benefit of breaking free from obligation and expectation. On the whole, that is the route I'd prefer. Just make it a great and distinctive new cast with lots of memorable and likable new personality, and not a hack-Star Wars ripoff of itself (duh).
The villains have to be a new threat, not a resurgent Empire. I'm not interested in essentially a three-film mopping-up, unless they do the Thrawn trilogy. Which it's pretty apparent that they won't. The post-OT EU was often restrained by Lucas' insistance that the villains couldn't be Sith Lords. I'll assume that restriction no longer applies. Anything goes. That is how it should be approached anyway. If I were a gambling man, I'd bet we'll see a new generation of Sith. Of course, what does that accomplish? What could be left to tell that's important enough for a new trilogy? We don't want an unnecesary rehash of the same conflicts. But, it does need some good villains, no lousy Trade Federation or Separatist Confederacy eating up screentime, that's for sure.
This is probably going to chew our EU to pieces. Much as I hate that idea, I'm prepared to accept it. There's no practical way to carve an epic galaxy-spanning story (which this ought to be) without overwriting much of the present timeline. I can't seriously imagine that they'd start where we are now, after Fate of the Jedi, with Jaina and Ben as near grown-ups, many memorable characters killed, and meters of backstory. Deep end of the pool, to say the least. Then again, Episode IV started on the deep end of its own mythos, and that went over great. It could actually be a great idea to start there. But again, I doubt they''ll want to be chained to all that backstory. Time will tell.
As far as how this is likely to rank in the mythos, that part is already obvious. I doubt anything could topple the greatness of the classic trilogy, and it's difficult to imagine any sequel effort NOT trouncing the prequels. So its placement as neither the best nor the worst already seems secure. Hopefully it will turn out almost as good as the originals, and not almost as bad as the prequels. That's the ratings argument we're looking at.
Any filmmaker signing on to make these movies would have seen as well as us that you can't rely on cruddy CG effects to tell a story, and would be seeking to make something much more visually dynamic and in keeping with the original Star Wars. An abiding love for Star Wars is something most filmmakers have in common.
And finally, the elephant in the room, or rather the Mouse. Disney bought Marvel, and has made no visible attempt to mess with any of their stories or otherwise make their presence unwelcomely felt. This post-Eisner Magic Kingdom seems judicious enough that I'm not too worried about that being the ruination of Star Wars. Besides, what's to lose? Lucas has been squashing his own legacy so much more effectively than anyone else would have dreamt to. Put it in the hands of some people who would rather emulate The Empire Strikes Back than more prequel movies, and things are bound to turn out better.
It's easy to be a doomsayer, but I see every reason to be optimistic about how this will turn out.
Deep breath. Phew. Now then. Here come some thoughts about what we're looking at.
First, the droids. C-3PO and R2-D2 have to be there, or it's not Star Wars. They can get wormed in there however, even by pure chance if you like, since that's how they got into the OT in the first place.
The heroes can be either Luke/Han/Leia in their advanced middle age, or a whole new cast, like with Star Trek: The Next Generation. Either approach could succeed or fail, depending on how well it's done. I like the idea of seeing only Luke making a cameo somewhere, and if one OT person needs to appear it's him. An all-new cast would have the benefit of breaking free from obligation and expectation. On the whole, that is the route I'd prefer. Just make it a great and distinctive new cast with lots of memorable and likable new personality, and not a hack-Star Wars ripoff of itself (duh).
The villains have to be a new threat, not a resurgent Empire. I'm not interested in essentially a three-film mopping-up, unless they do the Thrawn trilogy. Which it's pretty apparent that they won't. The post-OT EU was often restrained by Lucas' insistance that the villains couldn't be Sith Lords. I'll assume that restriction no longer applies. Anything goes. That is how it should be approached anyway. If I were a gambling man, I'd bet we'll see a new generation of Sith. Of course, what does that accomplish? What could be left to tell that's important enough for a new trilogy? We don't want an unnecesary rehash of the same conflicts. But, it does need some good villains, no lousy Trade Federation or Separatist Confederacy eating up screentime, that's for sure.
This is probably going to chew our EU to pieces. Much as I hate that idea, I'm prepared to accept it. There's no practical way to carve an epic galaxy-spanning story (which this ought to be) without overwriting much of the present timeline. I can't seriously imagine that they'd start where we are now, after Fate of the Jedi, with Jaina and Ben as near grown-ups, many memorable characters killed, and meters of backstory. Deep end of the pool, to say the least. Then again, Episode IV started on the deep end of its own mythos, and that went over great. It could actually be a great idea to start there. But again, I doubt they''ll want to be chained to all that backstory. Time will tell.
As far as how this is likely to rank in the mythos, that part is already obvious. I doubt anything could topple the greatness of the classic trilogy, and it's difficult to imagine any sequel effort NOT trouncing the prequels. So its placement as neither the best nor the worst already seems secure. Hopefully it will turn out almost as good as the originals, and not almost as bad as the prequels. That's the ratings argument we're looking at.
Any filmmaker signing on to make these movies would have seen as well as us that you can't rely on cruddy CG effects to tell a story, and would be seeking to make something much more visually dynamic and in keeping with the original Star Wars. An abiding love for Star Wars is something most filmmakers have in common.
And finally, the elephant in the room, or rather the Mouse. Disney bought Marvel, and has made no visible attempt to mess with any of their stories or otherwise make their presence unwelcomely felt. This post-Eisner Magic Kingdom seems judicious enough that I'm not too worried about that being the ruination of Star Wars. Besides, what's to lose? Lucas has been squashing his own legacy so much more effectively than anyone else would have dreamt to. Put it in the hands of some people who would rather emulate The Empire Strikes Back than more prequel movies, and things are bound to turn out better.
It's easy to be a doomsayer, but I see every reason to be optimistic about how this will turn out.
I can really only see the three returning with extended cameos. Killing them off would be a huge middle finger to the audience.
Wait a second. I think we need to be careful about what they say and don't say. "Original story" not taken from the existing EU does not necessarily mean they won't use characters, scenarios, planets, etc. from the EU. TCW has been almost all original stories, but they've borrowed heavily from the existing EU, including popular characters like Quinlan Vos and scenarios like the squidheads and Mon Calamari living on the same planet.They've announced it'll be a new story...no Thrawn. Sorry.
So just because it's an original story doesn't necessarily mean they won't use some of the popular characters or ideas from the existing EU. We'll have to wait and see.
Frankly, I wish they weren't doing sequels. Return of the Jedi feels like such a definitive END to the story. If anything I'd rather them start hitting up the Old Republic type stories. With armies of Sith and Jedi squaring off. They could have new characters and plenty of awesome set pieces. Alas...I'm still ridiculously excited about this turn of events.
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Which is by the by, because if the story changes on a Star Wars film then the original non-film EU story is rendered null and void. Which I am looking very much forward to.
You mean other than the fact that Lucas himself says he considers the EU null and void? You need more than that?
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Personally I don't need anything because I have always been a hater! Fun to watch the Vong-ites getting their knickers in a twist though.:grin:
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It was funny seeing so many people here & elsewhere get all excited, shouting "THRAWN!" when Ep7 was announced... it takes but a moment's thought to realize "Oh, the Thrawn Trilogy couldn't possibly work without EXTENSIVE overhauls and/or recasting". Thrawn Trilogy was set 5 years after ROTJ... not 32 years after ROTJ.
On the radio, the entertainment guy said 'original story & characters'. I'm still hoping it's many decades after Ep6, so it won't be out of the ordinary for Han, Luke, and Leia to me out of the picture (however, we saw Mon Mothma, leader of the Rebellion, ONE TIME in the OT--in the middle of the final film), and it'd also distance itself from the existing EU fairly well. LEGACY would be the main thing in jeopardy, and--much as I love many elements of it--I'd rather see it nixed rather than stomp all over Han, Leia, Luke, and Mara's offspring.
On the radio, the entertainment guy said 'original story & characters'. I'm still hoping it's many decades after Ep6, so it won't be out of the ordinary for Han, Luke, and Leia to me out of the picture (however, we saw Mon Mothma, leader of the Rebellion, ONE TIME in the OT--in the middle of the final film), and it'd also distance itself from the existing EU fairly well. LEGACY would be the main thing in jeopardy, and--much as I love many elements of it--I'd rather see it nixed rather than stomp all over Han, Leia, Luke, and Mara's offspring.
I really disagree. Not recasting those part would be a huge mistake.
I hope the new films do even have the main three in it.
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Recasting had to happen for the PT for some characters. For the sequels, 30 years after the OT, we run into the same kinda problem the EU books are running into, where the timeline's now approaching 40 years after ROTJ: the 4 main humans are getting old. They're in their 50s, 60s, even 70s with Billy Dee and Harrison. Star Wars, Episode VII: The Expendables? I don't think any of us wanna see that. I wouldn't mind if they set it even further in the future and Luke's the only one left (maybe Leia, too, if she ever developed her Jedi powers--but offscreen as a retired politician or something) as an aged Jedi Master, head of a new Jedi Order NOT based on Coruscant, with the 'next generation' (or what's left of it) as full-fledged Jedi and perhaps a THIRD generation, Jaina's kids, Ben's kids, as the up-and-coming Jedi.
Or, better yet, even FURTHER ahead, and Hamill is, like in LEGACY, a spirit keeping tabs on a descendent protagonist. That would ensure his role's only a glorified cameo like Guinness in ESB and ROTJ so all the 'eww, Hamill looks old' people don't have to suffer too much and would also neatly explain why the other main OT actors aren't in it. Luke, as the last of the old Jedi and first of the new, makes sense at appearing to guide a future Jedi; Leia wouldn't really need to, if she ever learns the trick of becoming a spirit.
Or, better yet, even FURTHER ahead, and Hamill is, like in LEGACY, a spirit keeping tabs on a descendent protagonist. That would ensure his role's only a glorified cameo like Guinness in ESB and ROTJ so all the 'eww, Hamill looks old' people don't have to suffer too much
and would also neatly explain why the other main OT actors aren't in it. Luke, as the last of the old Jedi and first of the new, makes sense at appearing to guide a future Jedi; Leia wouldn't really need to, if she ever learns the trick of becoming a spirit.
Yes, Hammil as Luke needs to be in it, at least in 7. I don't care if he isn't in 8 and 9 so much, but he needs to at least be in 7 so we can establish when the story takes place, and give the casual fans a link between the trilogies. Plus, he's one of my all-time favorite characters. Ever.
I wouldn't mind if the original characters come back but in a limited capacity. If Hamill and Fischer are in I really want Ford there as well which Disney could afford. I'd like a cast of talented unknowns like another poster said in another forum and I want the Force to be something magical again. Something ancient and mysterious brought in to be a main plot point that has to do with the mythos of Star Wars could be cool as well, something like the cave on Degobah but fleshed out more. References to the PT's strengths are fine too.
I always thought that the concept of the remaining Hutts being pissed and out for revenge on the people that killed one of their main generals (Jabba) would make for a great story.
episodes 7-9 is an exciting prospect...but i am hoping they get to doing a Old Republic era film/trilogy....I figure they will be moving forward in time and not back....but how awesome is the story of the Mandalorian wars, Revan and on through the sith vs. jedi war/ treaty of coruscant era....movies would be sick !!
I don't get the all the Old Republic love. I just never cared for any of the stories from that period in the Star Wars timeline much.
No dude, **** that ****.
Don't get me wrong I'm very excited about the new trilogy but it's going to be really weird watching a Star Wars movie without the 20 century fox opening! :hmm: Anyway I hope at least Hamill has a new role in the trilogy.
Maybe Disney will do a special deal with 20th Century Fox so they can still have it and the fanfare?
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We need some awesome space battles, something that was sorely lacking from the prequels. EP III had the beginnings of one but it was cut short with story diverting to the rescue operation.
Mark Hamill mentions Luke Skywalker's possible future for Sequel trilogy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UGV7WVB-bA
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Battle of Naboo had a pretty extensive space element. Something I noticed about the prequels is that the combat became more personal - in other words, one-on-one or two Jedi-on-one Sith - than in the OT, where the big battles largely happened completely removed from the big battle of the film (ROTJ being the exception).
I think the timeline/plot of VII will be dictated by a few things:
1) It's been said that they will be based on Lucas' treatments & he will be a consultant on this, so I would think he would continue HIS story & atleast provide some cameos to the OT characters.
2) In the release it was said that there will be a new movie every few years. Is Disney's plan to make episode X or will they be making movies within the pre PT/PT/OT timeline? If they are not going to go forward, why develop new characters for only 3 films?
From a business standpoint, Disney paid $4.05 BILLION dollars for this franchise. If there was not going to be a connection to the previous trilogies (Luke, Leia, Han, Empire, etc) why lay out that kind of cash?
I had posted this in another thread, but I'm thinking Fett/Mandos &/or Clone Emperor. Disney likes flashbacks with Marvel, can definitely see flashback of Emperor setting up cloning facility for himself to be cloned (good chance to get Vader on the screen for 5 minutes).
Also, Disney has made Marvel very sucessful, having said that, it's not exactly like they are reinventing the wheel character wise, they are using Stan's characters. What they've been successful at is coming up with ways to retell the story.
Not advocating for this, put if you look at it from a merchandise perspective, Vader is always made on everything, so if they can get him on the screen for 5 minutes they can sell him.
1) It's been said that they will be based on Lucas' treatments & he will be a consultant on this, so I would think he would continue HIS story & atleast provide some cameos to the OT characters.
2) In the release it was said that there will be a new movie every few years. Is Disney's plan to make episode X or will they be making movies within the pre PT/PT/OT timeline? If they are not going to go forward, why develop new characters for only 3 films?
From a business standpoint, Disney paid $4.05 BILLION dollars for this franchise. If there was not going to be a connection to the previous trilogies (Luke, Leia, Han, Empire, etc) why lay out that kind of cash?
I had posted this in another thread, but I'm thinking Fett/Mandos &/or Clone Emperor. Disney likes flashbacks with Marvel, can definitely see flashback of Emperor setting up cloning facility for himself to be cloned (good chance to get Vader on the screen for 5 minutes).
Also, Disney has made Marvel very sucessful, having said that, it's not exactly like they are reinventing the wheel character wise, they are using Stan's characters. What they've been successful at is coming up with ways to retell the story.
Not advocating for this, put if you look at it from a merchandise perspective, Vader is always made on everything, so if they can get him on the screen for 5 minutes they can sell him.
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