Poe's Boosted X-Wing & Poe Dameron (TRU)

[GNT]

Toys R Us will have an exclusive Boosted X-Wing & Poe Dameron for $49.99 and will feature light and sound effects:

Thoughts on this item?

 

[DonWanKihotay]

When starting a thread I do wish the mods would bring over discussion from previous thread.

It's a Poe Dameron's X-Wing with new Booster. The same micro-mold with a rubber nose from two years ago.

At least the paint job looks better.

So this is a low res shot of the "booster" apparatus on the back end of Poe's X-wing. The toy makes it seem a bit larger I think. Will possibly have the electronic wrist gimmick incorporated into it.

Nice catch Nerdherfer


So will Boosted X-Wing and Poe Dameron get it's own thread.
He does have the removable helmet this time.

 

[RogueKnite]

Not to be "that guy," but...

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[DonWanKihotay]

But at least they straightened the laser cannons, and changed the rubber nose.

Oh wait no the didn't.

Wait ...Removable helmet! :awesome: ...of a figure you already have!

 

[Deak_Starkiller]

Don't want to be the first one to say it, but watch out for potential fraud folks, I have a feeling there's going to be some swapping on this one.

 

[Billy_Ray]

When starting a thread I do wish the mods would bring over discussion from previous thread.

Give GNT a break man, he's usually really good about doing just this...plus, a lot of stuff has been revealed today. He's probably busier than a one legged man in an *** kicking contest

 

[Julythrunov]

It's really weird that it's actually in the movie

 

[DonWanKihotay]

Give GNT a break man, he's usually really good about doing just this...plus, a lot of stuff has been revealed today. He's probably busier than a one legged man in an *** kicking contest

True!
It's all good.

 

[jodo]

I was just at TRU last week, and they had no less than 8 of the TFA release...

 

[GNT]

Give GNT a break man, he's usually really good about doing just this...plus, a lot of stuff has been revealed today. He's probably busier than a one legged man in an *** kicking contest

Thanks. I usually try and move comments into threads/around when I can but sometimes I'm unable to do so with all the new items revealed, trying to get threads up as soon as possible or else people get angry, checklists and index threads as well as other tasks.

 

[JediDelight]

I really don't like when a design concept that work perfectly has a big gun added on to it or in this case a fifth thruster - and is considered all new. It seems like lazy design work. It seems like something a toy company would do. Re-sell last years transformer by including a new gun that also transforms into a small robot. And it breaks the imaginary reality of the movies. Is it realistic to think there is room to just add a new thruster on the back of an X-wing? What was already in that part of the ship? Surely not dead space. Can it just be removed and still work. Why not give us a new X-wing all together?

Maybe I'll absolutely love this in the movie. For now it's just a toy I can skip.

 

[DonWanKihotay]

Is it realistic to think there is room to just add a new thruster on the back of an X-wing? What was already in that part of the ship? Surely not dead space.

Don'r know what all that is, but looks like it could legitimately accommodate a booster.

 

[Batman]

Don'r know what all that is, but looks like it could legitimately accommodate a booster.

I don't remember the Hasbro one having rear landing gear???

 

[Deak_Starkiller]

I really don't like when a design concept that work perfectly has a big gun added on to it or in this case a fifth thruster - and is considered all new. It seems like lazy design work. .

I'll be more curious how Fry and Remillard (Incredible Cross Sections) will modify this. To me, it's like putting a third warp nacelle on a Federation starship. (And yes, it went against Gene's rule, but not George if he had one to begin with).

 

[DonWanKihotay]

I don't remember the Hasbro one having rear landing gear???

Never suggested this was the Hasbro one.
If you bother to read what I quoted, he's talking about justifying the booster addition for the design of the ship in the movie, and he asked if it was "realistic" based on what was back there.
The Revell model more accurately depicts that.

 

[Batman]

Never suggested this was the Hasbro one.
If you bother to read what I quoted, he's talking about justifying the booster addition for the design of the ship in the movie, and he asked if it was "realistic" based on what was back there.
The Revell model more accurately depicts that.

Lol... really... ???

I simply asked as I don't have one, and if I asked, it's cause you never stated within the reply of the picture it's the hasbro one nor the reveal one.

 

[Nighthawk]

Love how the one they use in the ad has warped cannons

 

[jrice73]

I really don't like when a design concept that work perfectly has a big gun added on to it or in this case a fifth thruster - and is considered all new. It seems like lazy design work. It seems like something a toy company would do. Re-sell last years transformer by including a new gun that also transforms into a small robot. And it breaks the imaginary reality of the movies. Is it realistic to think there is room to just add a new thruster on the back of an X-wing? What was already in that part of the ship? Surely not dead space. Can it just be removed and still work. Why not give us a new X-wing all together?

Maybe I'll absolutely love this in the movie. For now it's just a toy I can skip.

Totally agree. Why would an X-Wing need a booster anyway since it's already got a hyperdrive and a repulsor lift for anti-gravitic propulsion. With both of those two systems, shouldn't it have as much speed or lift for atmospheric or space travel as it will ever need for any possible situation? Unless there is some explanation that is logical and well thought out for this thing in the film, then it's just really bordering on the absurd, especially since we haven't seen any other fighters in universe in any other prior film using a booster. That's something that just sticks out like a sore thumb for me since we're going off 40 plus years of this story. Crazy. And don't you just love the fact that Hasbro used warped cannons on that X-Wing for that photo. I guess they're preparing everybody for getting warped parts in this re-release. Hopefully for those who will buy this and want straight, unwarped cannons, Hasbro's customer service team will offer them like they did for the TFA release.

 

[DonWanKihotay]

I'll be more curious how Fry and Remillard (Incredible Cross Sections) will modify this. To me, it's like putting a third warp nacelle on a Federation starship. (And yes, it went against Gene's rule, but not George if he had one to begin with).

I don't think the move need to be absolutely beholden to the cross sections interpretations, if they want to update a ship.
That said, looks like that section houses elements that feed into the engines. So adding a booster directly off them doesn't seem unreasonable.
As far as if there is room or something that would conflict with it, for it, the image I posted above above suggests it would work fine.

 

[jrice73]

But at least they straightened the laser cannons, and changed the rubber nose.

Oh wait no the didn't.

Wait ...Removable helmet! :awesome: ...of a figure you already have!

Best retort EVER!!!

 

[JediDelight]

Just looked at the Incredible Cross Section. That area in the X-wing has the hyberdrive and the moving supports and hydraulics to open and close the S-Foils. I'm getting nerdy - but to add a jet engine into that mess means you'd need fuel to go through there. It would have to withstand the heat from the propulsion. Also the stress on the entire frame of the ship would be changed.

No doubt it looks like a third booster could be added to that area and it actually does't look bad. But it really doesn't make much sense. It's a small thing - and I haven't even seen how it's used in the movie - but until now Star Wars seems have been above that in the way it treated the reality of spaceship designs.

 

[chaingunsofdoom]

Surely the most embarrassing of embarrassing toy re-release ideas.

Exec 1: 'Hey, you know those Poe X-Wings from 2 years ago?'

Exec 2: 'The one with the bendy laser cannons? We have crates of them in the back'.

Exec 1: 'Yeah, well lets add this Force Tech stuff into it and resell it for more money'.

Exec 2: 'OK! But add a Booster.'

 

[soulydyes]

The cannons on the promo photo on the first page of this thread look bent. I picked up 3 of the black TFA versions, all with straight cannons. I might pick up a few more of these on clearance, but that depends on the cannons, I'm looking forward to the reviews.

 

[Batman]

Surely the most embarrassing of embarrassing toy re-release ideas.

Exec 1: 'Hey, you know those Poe X-Wings from 2 years ago?'

Exec 2: 'The one with the bendy laser cannons? We have crates of them in the back'.

Exec 1: 'Yeah, well lets add this Force Tech stuff into it and resell it for more money'.

Exec 2: 'OK! But add a Booster.'

Exec 2 is shortly afterwards promoted.

 

[ralltiir]

I bet the photo with bent cannons is deliberate, as a precaution so that they couldn't be blamed/held responsible when (some) people opened their boxes and found horrible warpage. Would have to check product photos on box to confirm.

As for the booster, I don't think it's absurd as many are making it out to be. There was a lot of experimentation in the early Cold War days with something called RATO, or rocket assisted takeoff, which was used on otherwise ordinary jet fighters. (Or was tested on more heavily instrumented experimental copies, but anticipated for use by regular fighter aircraft.). The idea actually wasn't to increase top speed, but to assist in takeoff from shorter runways and to get to altitude faster, especially to intercept an incoming nuclear bomber.

My point is that these RATO systems were often just little bottle rockets that were more or less modular prefab units stuck onto the jet, which I feel Poe's booster could easily be as well. If it's a unitary accessory that only takes a firing signal and maybe some electricity from the X-wing, it wouldn't matter in any obvious way what stuff is in the empennage of the ship proper, nor would there be a need for a fuel tank.

Although such a setup wouldn't by any means provide an all-purpose third engine, with burn time being surely much shorter, it would be compatible with available info and, IMO, useful for an X-wing, either in scrambling out of a base (D'Qar?) or for emergency evasion in combat (since starships shouldn't have the limits that kept RATO from influencing max airspeed.). Maybe with Star Wars tech it could be throttleable or even subject to an on/off switch that could mean multiple uses prior to refueling: turn it on with a catalyst and maybe electric heat, dump an "anti-catalyst" onto the fuel grains to stop combustion & preserve whatever fuel remains.

 

[DonWanKihotay]

So this is a low res shot of the "booster" apparatus on the back end of Poe's X-wing. The toy makes it seem a bit larger I think. Will possibly have the electronic wrist gimmick incorporated into it.

Nice catch Nerdherfer

Not sure how much Hasbro's needs determine what will be in the movie , but this is why I wanted to make sure a part of the convo came over from the other thread.
As Nerdherfer has identified this booster is in fact from the film.

The film has been showcasing Poe's exceptional skill and bravado, and this might play into a plot point where Poe can only accomplish a mission with this extra edge advantage.
Not necasarily a whole new ship.
Introducing a whole new ship just for this that they never showed before would have likely been criticized by the same bunch here as not "realistic" or they just happen to have an all new ship when they need it, or if they had this ship why doesn't everyone get one etc... LOL!
I guess we can joke/debate about which came first the need in the film or the toy? :grin:

 

[DonWanKihotay]

I bet the photo with bent cannons is deliberate, as a precaution so that they couldn't be blamed/held responsible when (some) people opened their boxes and found horrible warpage. Would have to check product photos on box to confirm.

As for the booster, I don't think it's absurd as many are making it out to be. There was a lot of experimentation in the early Cold War days with something called RATO, or rocket assisted takeoff, which was used on otherwise ordinary jet fighters. (Or was tested on more heavily instrumented experimental copies, but anticipated for use by regular fighter aircraft.). The idea actually wasn't to increase top speed, but to assist in takeoff from shorter runways and to get to altitude faster, especially to intercept an incoming nuclear bomber.

My point is that these RATO systems were often just little bottle rockets that were more or less modular prefab units stuck onto the jet, which I feel Poe's booster could easily be as well. If it's a unitary accessory that only takes a firing signal and maybe some electricity from the X-wing, it wouldn't matter in any obvious way what stuff is in the empennage of the ship proper, nor would there be a need for a fuel tank.

Excellent analysis.

 

[Deak_Starkiller]

Noted, other applications for RATO or back in my day JATO (jet-ATO) were used to assist heavier planes notably the C-130 or in low density/high altitude airstrips. Now as far as snub fighters are concerned, they utilize a combination of repulsorlift and 'conventional' chemical propulsion for TO (we saw this more recently in Rogue One for T-65's, so T-70's should be similar). To me, it's almost like putting RATO on fighters like the Harrier Jump Jet or even the Osprey. Is it practical, IDK(?)...., again I'd like to see how this is explained in the books apart from the physical modification is concerned. Also to add, West End Games books does describe 'Ready One' fighters in rebel bases such as Tierfon Base, but obviously not with the modifications discussed here.

 

[DonWanKihotay]

lol at looking for real science explanations out of Star Wars, the Star Wars physics & tech runs mostly concordant with fantasy.
As it should. It's part of the charm of the franchise and it has been since the beginning. To start complain about physics now, you should know If it allows for a great visual they'll work it.

Don't want to be the first one to say it, but watch out for potential fraud folks, I have a feeling there's going to be some swapping on this one.

WOW I can see this happening, especially if there is still of glut of FA X-wings on clearance side by side with the updated more expensive one, someone buying both, swamping the content, and returning the more expensive one. :wtf:

 

[ralltiir]

I think so-called flight sims for PlayStation or Xbox have an "oh crap, I need a sudden burst of speed" button on them, so if pressed to predict how LFL will use this system in the movie, I suspect it might be similar to that, and so more along the lines DWK was suggesting than anything else- visual proof of Poe's exceptional abilities, easy ID in a space battle, maybe helping him heroically escape from D'Qar if the movie starts dealing with the Resistance that soon after TFA.

As for practicality, which I assume to mean in-universe practicality and not what you'd take into a classroom at MIT, it strikes me that there could easily be a flight regime (whether atmospheric or not) where extra speed would help, and I can't see any particular impediment, so I guess I'm unsure what the worry would be. Again taking DWK's suggestion that for SW purposes, entertainment >> studious application of actual physical law.

Anyway, thx for the kind words everybody : )

 

[DonWanKihotay]

The film has been showcasing Poe's exceptional skill and bravado, and this might play into a plot point where Poe can only accomplish a mission with this extra edge advantage.

... it strikes me that there could easily be a flight regime (whether atmospheric or not) where extra speed would help, and I can't see any particular impediment, so I guess I'm unsure what the worry would be.

Agree this will probably be a plot point to showcase Poe's skill, in a situation where he needs the extra boost.
Wasn't enough to into a whole new ship.
The plot allows for it as as far as Star Wars physics, the idea and design of the ship allows for it to.
Not sure what the complaint about it is.

As far as those complaining about Hasbro capitalizing on reusing the ship. Here is an idea, if it's not interesting to you, don't buy it.
How simple is that.
There are other new ships too. :awesome:

 

[Nerdherfer]

Definitely ralltiir, you certainly have a good grasp on this military aviation type stuff. Are you the same "Toprawa and Ralltiir" of Wookieepedia fame? I used to hang out in Knowlege Bank a lot. Making trouble mostly.

I was thinking this 'add on' was possibly a booster for the hyperdrive, but merely because I've only heard "booster" used previously in relation to "booster rings" for jedi starfighters. It seems it's fed from the other engines. A pretty crude looking peice of hardware, which seems to be a common thread in these movies, apart from Rogue One which had some great designs.

One thing George Lucas had was a keen eye for a cool design. He seemed to push the designers and illustrators a little further than they cared to go, but it paid off. Padme's Naboo Skiff that she took to Mustafar comes to mind, in regards to engine mods at least. It basically had these supercharger looking things protruding up through the wings from the engines. Pretty heavy duty looking high performance gear. much like an old mercedes V8 with twin turbos. I really like that idea. Poe's Flux Capacitor, not so much.

 

[ralltiir]

Nope, no known connection there. My only previous forum/online community contributions have been in 1/72 diecast and, briefly, on 4th and 5th gen fighter jets on quora, before I got bored. I grew up desperately wanting to be an F-14 pilot, long before I ever heard of Topgun or Star Wars. I literally learned to read with the trade publication Aviation Week, all while trying to drown out the narrowminded anger and poorly reasoned claims about...well...pretty much everything. So suffice it to say I related to Luke when I finally saw ANH, and to younger Anakin and Rey as well.

As for trouble, i know all about the wallet variety thanks to great hobbies like this one, but not much beyond that. And as for design, my hat is off to Lucas in all respects, but I am probably personally more moved by McQuarrie and Johnston when it comes to vehicles, and less by Chiang, although I :wub: the old "Vehicles and Vessels" guide he drew for all those years ago, before the dark times of CG replacing thought. (The old yellow-orange covered version.). For me the Naboo tech is great sci fi / space opera / future Art Deco, but it actually slightly grates on me as SW, although again *definitely* not because it isn't good design.

In terms of boosters and hyperdrives, I can't rule it out, but from a story standpoint it strikes me as unnecessary given the way so many ships almost seem to teleport from place to place. (Granted, this is only logical for meeting an audience's needs. Hours of downtime would be catastrophic.). Also, from a visual standpoint I find it easier to imagine a space battle or hangar escape w/ a blazing trail of red thrust coming out the back than in hyperspace, although red against the rich blue would be striking. Finally, as far as the word booster, it seems very possible that it's a rocket reference, a la the Solid Rocket Boosters on the space shuttle & many other rocket powered vehicles. Admittedly this isn't a *Star Wars* comparison to make, but it sure squares with the rest of the evidence, IMO at least.

Nice to to meet everybody, btw : )

 

[Nerdherfer]

Thanks for the back story Ralltiir. Your interest in jet fighters is entirely understandable. I fell through a 12 foot ceiling an old RAAF hangar about 15 years ago. That was a rough landing. Lol. As close as I'll get to being in the Air Force unfortunately.

A reasonable assessment on the booster. Although hyperdrives not working, being replaced or repaired are a common plot device or talking point, their speed / class rarely is. So many different ships of all shapes and sizes coming out of hyperspace at the same time.. I guess they synchronise their jumps. But of course a rocket booster is going to be far more dynamic on screen.

 

[ralltiir]

Dare I ask what you were doing on that ceiling?

 

[Nighthawk]

Anyone actually get this? I'm curious as to the quality and whether anything was improved.

 

[Oddball_Fett]

As for trouble, i know all about the wallet variety thanks to great hobbies like this one, but not much beyond that. And as for design, my hat is off to Lucas in all respects, but I am probably personally more moved by McQuarrie and Johnston when it comes to vehicles, and less by Chiang, although I :wub: the old "Vehicles and Vessels" guide he drew for all those years ago, before the dark times of CG replacing thought. (The old yellow-orange covered version.). For me the Naboo tech is great sci fi / space opera / future Art Deco, but it actually slightly grates on me as SW, although again *definitely* not because it isn't good design.

I've heard that a lot. But to be fair that was still George's idea. He specifically wanted the Naboo culture to be fancy and told Chiang and everyone else to go for that. So the likes of the Naboo starfighters etc are certainly in stark contrast to the designs in the originals and that was just one of the many things about the prequels which made people's views about them vary.

Me though I'm cool with it. You got a galactic community that's had interstellar space travel for millenia, and thousands of different technological alien species and cultures, all with their own ideas of what's practical and/or aesthetically pleasing. Which gives us ships of literally every size, shape and description. So the whole instinctive human idea that old = blocky and futuristic = sleek has long fallen by the wayside.

But I'm also biased, as I REALLY liked how the NSF handled when playing Star Wars starfighter. Such a great space flight combat game, as console games go.

 

[Deak_Starkiller]

lol at looking for real science explanations out of Star Wars, the Star Wars physics & tech runs mostly concordant with fantasy.
As it should. It's part of the charm of the franchise and it has been since the beginning. To start complain about physics now, you should know If it allows for a great visual they'll work it.

LOL, even as a young kid watching ANH, I've always wondered how come those snub fighters never ran out of fuel fighting in space for that long.

I also happen to hold a Masters in Aerospace Engineering, so imagine a bunch of my former NASA colleagues and I sitting in a theater watching a SW or Trek movie and turning our brains off from all those years sitting in a classroom and acquiescing to George's and Gene's physics.

 

[Nerdherfer]

Dare I ask what you were doing on that ceiling?

Lol Installing a phone system. Just pulling the last trunk cable to the distribution board, long story short, put one foot wrong and landed in some guy's office on his photo copier. They called me the stunt man when I got up and drove myself to hospital. Still paying for it 15 years later.

I've heard that a lot. But to be fair that was still George's idea. He specifically wanted the Naboo culture to be fancy and told Chiang and everyone else to go for that. So the likes of the Naboo starfighters etc are certainly in stark contrast to the designs in the originals and that was just one of the many things about the prequels which made people's views about them vary.

Me though I'm cool with it. You got a galactic community that's had interstellar space travel for millenia, and thousands of different technological alien species and cultures, all with their own ideas of what's practical and/or aesthetically pleasing. Which gives us ships of literally every size, shape and description. So the whole instinctive human idea that old = blocky and futuristic = sleek has long fallen by the wayside.

But I'm also biased, as I REALLY liked how the NSF handled when playing Star Wars starfighter. Such a great space flight combat game, as console games go.

I like those nubian ships as well. I recall hearing about George Lucas penning his first rough draft of "The Star War" in 1974, the first scene had what could only be described as Padme's Yacht moving across the rings of a planet, so it definitely wasn't an afterthought. Like I said earlier though, I like how there was a design focus on engine upgrades and enhancements during the clone war, at least depicted by the overhead "manifolds" or something of that nature on the Nubian Star Skiff. It's a nice subtle touch and a lot less crude than the garbage disposal unit on the back of this T-75. George's absence is noticeable in that regard IMO.

 

[Nerdherfer]

Was possibly 1971 when GL started writing all this stuff. Not 74.