New Republic E-Wing & KE4-N4

I can forgive pretty much any inconsistencies between comic artists, but it is a pet peeve when one artist isn’t consistent between panels within the same book or story arc, like the E-Wing above.
Carmine Infantino's endlessly morphing & shifting hardware on classic Marvel both annoyed & fascinated me as a kid, but he did compensate by drawing a sexy Leia.

Take this Star Destroyer. Is it flying towards us viewed front on, or flying towards the planet viewed from below?

Its enough to give MC Escher a headache.

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I think Biggs actor Garrick Hagon and Mark Hamill are approximately the same height, though...:unsure:
Maybe it's my TV, but when they stood next to each other Biggs was clearly taller than Luke, perhaps not a whole head but close. That scene with all three where Luke stands between Biggs and Gold Leader?

Also, I'd love to see them redo the Crimson Imperial Guard, love the armored look!
 
there was 1 in that tru multy pack , but never in TVC or Kenner 1980s timeframe

I get what you are saying. An individual carded TVC Y-Wing pilot would be cool.

BTW, thanks for the link as well. I need it for some inventory work I'm doing and could not find that pack in the archive. (y)
 
Carmine Infantino's endlessly morphing & shifting hardware on classic Marvel both annoyed & fascinated me as a kid, but he did compensate by drawing a sexy Leia.

Take this Star Destroyer. Is it flying towards us viewed front on, or flying towards the planet viewed from below?

Its enough to give MC Escher a headache.

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I wonder why the resemblance is so bad in the early comics. Okay, there were no VCRs but I'm sure enough images from the films were around to get at least the basic form of the main ships right? It got a lot better later, even within the original Marvel run. (And then worse again. And then it was cancelled.)
Lazy artists? Disinterest? "Good enough" principle? Artistic freedom? Tight deadlines?

Need to get the thread back on track though, so I'm leaving this thought messily lying around...
 
I wonder why the resemblance is so bad in the early comics. Okay, there were no VCRs but I'm sure enough images from the films were around to get at least the basic form of the main ships right? It got a lot better later, even within the original Marvel run. (And then worse again. And then it was cancelled.)
Lazy artists? Disinterest? "Good enough" principle? Artistic freedom? Tight deadlines?

Need to get the thread back on track though, so I'm leaving this thought messily lying around...
Artistic license is my guess but it could be all of the above.
 
Artistic license is my guess but it could be all of the above.

I heard this was correct back then they were still under the "Marvel Way" of deadlines which were crazy rushed, and w/little to no reference material outside what the artist themselves found in a magazine themselves to do drawings from.
 
I get what you are saying. An individual carded TVC Y-Wing pilot would be cool.

BTW, thanks for the link as well. I need it for some inventory work I'm doing and could not find that pack in the archive. (y)
FYI, the link for one of the pilot packs don't work. it takes you to the wrong one, forget which one it is though. Just be warned.
 
Third and final E-wing arrived today. Shipping box was thrashed, so E-wing box itself was a little beat up. Have the two good ones still, thankfully, so this one will go in the recycling tonight.

Now to decide which N4 to open. Gonna leave two carded for now. BTW, for the person asking about loose landing gear covers, the one I just got seems to have that issue on the wings. Weird that my other two E-wings don’t have that problem. If I have some time this weekend, I’m finally gonna weather up one of the ships.

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My E-wing arrived last week, and as someone who owns the Action Fleet one I'm thrilled we got one for this scale. It's a bit of a shame we have to wait until next year for the pilot though.

The panels for the landing gear on mine are a tad loose. I tried closing the bigger panel first and haven't had an issue since. I'm not sure if there is an 'order' in which panel to close first but its worth a shot.
 

Unfortunately they haven’t had anything in stock in a long time. The increase in production costs after the pandemic was much higher that they would have cost CONSIDERABLY more. They update the ‘Latest News’ blurb on the site from time to time. Currently it says there is no incoming shipment (stock) this fall/winter.

I have a couple of each size but have needed more since the release of the last few starfighters.
 
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NOT TO MENTION IT HAS GOOGLY EYES!
2 PAIRS OF THEM!
AND ONE OF THEM IS LOOKING RIGHT AT ME!

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Unfortunately they haven’t had anything in stock in a long time. The increase in production costs after the pandemic was much higher that they would have cost CONSIDERABLY more. They update the ‘Latest News’ blurb on the site from time to time. Currently it says there is no incoming shipment (stock) this fall/winter.

I have a couple of each size but have needed more since the release of the last few starfighters.
I had ordered a bunch from them many years ago, and even back then it took a long time to get the order filled.
 
Yeah, those stands have proven quite difficult to track down anywhere for the last few years!

I've thought about making my own as it's pretty simple construction, especially if you use wood for the base and give it a nice sealer or paint. The only drawback is that the rods aren't adjustable.
 
Third and final E-wing arrived today. Shipping box was thrashed, so E-wing box itself was a little beat up. Have the two good ones still, thankfully, so this one will go in the recycling tonight.

Now to decide which N4 to open. Gonna leave two carded for now. BTW, for the person asking about loose landing gear covers, the one I just got seems to have that issue on the wings. Weird that my other two E-wings don’t have that problem. If I have some time this weekend, I’m finally gonna weather up one of the ships.

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The one one the left has a coquettish raised eyebrow, as if to say "Pick me!"
 
Carmine Infantino's endlessly morphing & shifting hardware on classic Marvel both annoyed & fascinated me as a kid, but he did compensate by drawing a sexy Leia.

Take this Star Destroyer. Is it flying towards us viewed front on, or flying towards the planet viewed from below?

Its enough to give MC Escher a headache.

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I had to view this image to get my eyes working again...
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Carmine Infantino's endlessly morphing & shifting hardware on classic Marvel both annoyed & fascinated me as a kid, but he did compensate by drawing a sexy Leia.

Take this Star Destroyer. Is it flying towards us viewed front on, or flying towards the planet viewed from below?

Its enough to give MC Escher a headache.

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Multi-stable perception is a hell of a thing.

I mean, that artwork is so twisted and off-model it actually loops completely back around into being beautiful again, in a weird way. 🤩

Maybe it's my TV, but when they stood next to each other Biggs was clearly taller than Luke, perhaps not a whole head but close. That scene with all three where Luke stands between Biggs and Gold Leader?
I know what you mean, but IMDB claims that Hagon is the same height as Hamill - 5'9"/1.75m. :unsure:

Also, I'd love to see them redo the Crimson Imperial Guard, love the armored look!
From your lips to Hasbro's ears...🤞

I heard this was correct back then they were still under the "Marvel Way" of deadlines which were crazy rushed, and w/little to no reference material outside what the artist themselves found in a magazine themselves to do drawings from.
Yeah. they probably didn't have as much time to research the details as young T.J. Burnside here did, circa 1977:

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By 1983, at least, the artwork was a little more on-point:

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...though sporadic bouts of off-model weirdness continued right to the end of the Marvel run:

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One of the things about all of these comic panels is that the actual drawings are only a few inches big and at the time, none if the artists could have ever imagined anyone would be able to zoom in on them and scrutinize the smallest details. They're practically 'fully realized' story boards.
 
One of the things about all of these comic panels is that the actual drawings are only a few inches big and at the time, none if the artists could have ever imagined anyone would be able to zoom in on them and scrutinize the smallest details. They're practically 'fully realized' story boards.
Normally, the original art is drawn at a larger size and then resized for the standard comic book pages. This works well as many comics prove.
I don't think the problem lies with size, it's the missing technical drawing skill (and perhaps the lack of models to follow). During the "middle" of the original Marvel run, the artists nailed the tech look and even the likenesses for the most part.
That the early artists didn't may be excusable as everything was new at the time and the expectations probably low. The late run, however, was unforgivably bad, also the storyline went cheesy and weird. At least that run ended Star Wars with a conclusion without killing either Chewie or Han/Luke/Leia.
 
Normally, the original art is drawn at a larger size and then resized for the standard comic book pages. This works well as many comics prove.
I don't think the problem lies with size, it's the missing technical drawing skill (and perhaps the lack of models to follow). During the "middle" of the original Marvel run, the artists nailed the tech look and even the likenesses for the most part.
That the early artists didn't may be excusable as everything was new at the time and the expectations probably low. The late run, however, was unforgivably bad, also the storyline went cheesy and weird. At least that run ended Star Wars with a conclusion without killing either Chewie or Han/Luke/Leia.
Are you calling the Hoojibs cheesy? Seriously though, that first couple of years they didn’t have much for reference like we do now. No way to pause the VCR back then either since it hadn’t been released. The Star Destroyers had minimal screen time, with the underside getting the most of it. I can forgive a sloppy Star Destroyer before Empire came out.
 
Yeah, those stands have proven quite difficult to track down anywhere for the last few years!

I've thought about making my own as it's pretty simple construction, especially if you use wood for the base and give it a nice sealer or paint. The only drawback is that the rods aren't adjustable.
I wonder about how easily you could 3D print the joints - preferrably in a way that the displayed ship doesn't crash down when the joint becomes loose. The rods themselves should be easy to obtain and cut to length, they don't seem to contain a length adjustment mechanism (and are probably so cheap and easy to store that you could just make a dozen of different length to spare). The top ball needs to be soft and made from a material that doesn't interact with the ship's plastic. The lower joints however need to be adjustable in two axes and hold the ship's weight even with the additional force of the rod working as a lever, and the adjustment needs to be fine enough to pose the ship appropriately.

The original seems to have a ball joint with a screw, but if you want to re-pose the stand occasionally, the screw can't drill into the ball (at least not too often). Having ratches fixing the rod is probably not precise enough. Friction won't suffice with the weight of the ship on it.

(Is there a thread talking about this kind of thing?)
 
Are you calling the Hoojibs cheesy?
No, I totally unironically loved the Hoojibs, and even made some from modeling clay (although they came out to look terrible; I'm a horrible polymer clay sculptor). The Hoojibs came into play even before RotJ during a time when AFAIR the drawings were pretty good.

I'm mainly talking about the post-Endor Nagai with their spaceships that look like diseased kitchen appliances, the Tof who fly around in sailing ships (although for some reasons that seems to be a recurring motif, see the later Lord Valenthyne Farfalla) - both species 99% human in a sad lack of imagination -, and especially the insect guy who comes to conquer the galaxy and left me just speechless.
 
Imagine a sci-fi story in the ‘70s/‘80s having an insect guy coming to conquer the galaxy! Ridiculous!
 
Imagine a sci-fi story in the ‘70s/‘80s having an insect guy coming to conquer the galaxy! Ridiculous!
Nothing you say can make me like that. Nothing.
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I do see that side-plot as a parody.

I can't imagine liking that even in the 80's - but as the German publisher killed off the Star Wars comic series before its actual end (stopping with a cliffhanger when the Nagai fleet appears over Endor), I learned about the series finale only decades later, and like it even less.
 
Hole In The Ground is so good at everything they do.
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Hmm. Is that a prototype? The cannon looks weird. Like it's made out of part of a broken ball point pen. Is that how they looked in the comic? Memory is fuzzy. Also some pretty pronounced 3D print lines, which modern 3D printers have gotten a lot better at eliminating.
 
And yet I'd still buy his figure in a heartbeat.
I could live without him in my collection, but the more aliens, the better. I would happily buy a figure of that Nikto pirate guy though, especially since he's about to appear in Skeleton Crew as well.
 
I could live without him in my collection, but the more aliens, the better. I would happily buy a figure of that Nikto pirate guy though, especially since he's about to appear in Skeleton Crew as well.

I dug all the pirate stuff in Mando Season 3 and was quite bummed when Gorian's awesome ship was so easily taken out. I also dug Hondo's profit-centric antics in the Clone Wars, and I'm ready to hopefully enjoy Skeleton Crew as well.
 
Yeah. they probably didn't have as much time to research the details as young T.J. Burnside here did, circa 1977:

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Interesting, seems her flight suit is actually quite form fitting enough to see the curves and slenderness of a woman. Especially the arms. Though maybe she opted for that aesthetic over hiding her body in an unsightly bag.
 
Interesting, seems her flight suit is actually quite form fitting enough to see the curves and slenderness of a woman. Especially the arms. Though maybe she opted for that aesthetic over hiding her body in an unsightly bag.
That post doesn't sound creepy at all. 😅 In case some people aren't in the know, that photo is from 1977, and the girl was 16 yrs old. Wasn't easy to get a ton of costume reference back then. Props to that woman, who is in her 60's now, for using what little reference she had available to her at the time.
 
Okay, but I know 30+ year old Women who are that size. I'm just pointing that most Women didn't bother hiding their assets for decades. Yet now we seem to have the new age Prude patrol working 24/7 who seem worse than how the religious zealots were back in the day. lol
 
Okay, but I know 30+ year old Women who are that size. I'm just pointing that most Women didn't bother hiding their assets for decades. Yet now we seem to have the new age Prude patrol working 24/7 who seem worse than how the religious zealots were back in the day. lol
Dunno, man. A lot of generalizing in that post. Also, the female pilots in ROTJ didn't have tight, form-fitting flight suits. Does that mean George shifted into "prude patrol" mode half way through the film?
 
Being that there weren't that many, and outfits were shared across much of the cast of course they would be in order to fit everyone.
 
Normally, the original art is drawn at a larger size and then resized for the standard comic book pages. This works well as many comics prove.
I don't think the problem lies with size, it's the missing technical drawing skill (and perhaps the lack of models to follow). During the "middle" of the original Marvel run, the artists nailed the tech look and even the likenesses for the most part.
That the early artists didn't may be excusable as everything was new at the time and the expectations probably low. The late run, however, was unforgivably bad, also the storyline went cheesy and weird. At least that run ended Star Wars with a conclusion without killing either Chewie or Han/Luke/Leia.

I've worked on comic pages and yes they are larger than an actual comic book, but it still comparatively small to a piece of art you would see in a gallery.

You're probably right about the technical drawing skill. And to be fair, I'm not sure if Star Wars was ever Marvel's best selling comic, so they probably didn't allocate their best artists to the book.
 
No, I totally unironically loved the Hoojibs, and even made some from modeling clay (although they came out to look terrible; I'm a horrible polymer clay sculptor). The Hoojibs came into play even before RotJ during a time when AFAIR the drawings were pretty good.
I remember pretty much wearing out the Planet of the Hoojibs Read-Along book/vinyl disc. 😅

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I'm mainly talking about the post-Endor Nagai with their spaceships that look like diseased kitchen appliances, the Tof who fly around in sailing ships (although for some reasons that seems to be a recurring motif, see the later Lord Valenthyne Farfalla) - both species 99% human in a sad lack of imagination -
Going back to the "harassed artists" point, it's probably easier to produce art on a deadline if you don't have to worry too much about the readers being able to read the moods of your new major antagonist species.

and especially the insect guy who comes to conquer the galaxy and left me just speechless.
He's got nothing on Lando's Captain Harlock cosplay. 😉

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That post doesn't sound creepy at all. 😅 In case some people aren't in the know, that photo is from 1977, and the girl was 16 yrs old.
Is it really necessary to start white-knighting over the observation that Miss Burnside seemingly adapted her flightsuit to highlight her figure? :unsure:

Dunno, man. A lot of generalizing in that post.
He's not wrong, though. Our modern-day puritans would probably suffer a coronary conclusion just from flipping through the pages of a 1970s-era Sears catalogue and seeing the kind of clothing that women were wearing then.

Also, the female pilots in ROTJ didn't have tight, form-fitting flight suits. Does that mean George shifted into "prude patrol" mode half way through the film?
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Has Hasbro gone on record anywhere, or given any reason as to why we're not getting the pilot until May of '25? I mean, they managed to get Luke X-Wing out twice now to co-inside with the re-release of the X-Wing. One would think having the pilot available to go with the ship and droid would be a simple concept.
 
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