Marvel's Agents of SHIELD - TV show

VideoViper · May 24, 2018

I don't think he would really have blinked out of existence. He is just the Marty McFly Doc had to get rid of before he could get the prime version back. Timey Wimey and all that. So he is safe because everything in time travel does happen just in different time lines

Masterfett · May 25, 2018

Spoiler:

Mildoo · May 25, 2018

They already averted the whole Destroyer of Worlds scenario. There is no harm in pulling Fitz out of hibernation now that the past is set in stone.

Masterfett · May 31, 2018

But is it? We still have that Thanos fallout to deal with!

keknivek · Jun 28, 2018

Ok, so I know I'm behind, but I just watched the second half of the last season and I think it was brilliant. Yoyo was one of my favorite characters form the moment she showed up on the series and she did not disappoint. I feel like each actor got such a great arc that it was very satisfying to me. I don't know that I've watched a Series Finale that has ever been as satisfying as that.

Now I realize they have a bit more to go coming after IW, but this show just got better and better. I get it that some want an actual death to mean something but we got the best of both here. Coulson may or may not. Fitz may or may not. I imagine we'll get an answer to both eventually.

The relationships in the last few episodes were tested so completely. FitzSimmons, Yoyo and Mack, Coulson and May, even Daisy and Deak and Deak with his grandparents? showed some complicated emotional ties. The stuff with Gravitron, Ruby Hale, and the future were all equally interesting, but I found Talbot turning into Gravitron a nice ending for that character.

Overall, the show gave us some GREAT Marvel moments from the Terrigenesis Inhuman stuff to all the Hydra references to Mockingbird and Ghost Rider to the LMDs... great stuff.

Well Done Agents of SHIELD~~

Cobalt60 · Jun 28, 2018

I concur. it got off to a shaky start, but this show has definitely delivered.

I wasn't a huge yo-yo fan when she first started on the show, but I think the actress has evolved immensely.
same with Mack. at first he was a piece of wood but his time on this show has helped to hone his acting skillz.
the talent on this show just gets better with time.

keknivek · Jun 28, 2018

Cobalt60 said:
I concur. it got off to a shaky start, but this show has definitely delivered.

I wasn't a huge yo-yo fan when she first started on the show, but I think the actress has evolved immensely.
same with Mack. at first he was a piece of wood but his time on this show has helped to hone his acting skillz.
the talent on this show just gets better with time.

Mack doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he did with a character that could have easily been a backgrounder. The stuff with him in the Framework and then again with Fitz was heartbreaking but done so well.

Cobalt60 · Jun 28, 2018

I think the writing has a lot to do with it. the story arcs are, clearly, planned well in advance. a lot of thought goes into this show..
it's a feast for any actor. and they all seem to have risen to their challenges. I would be sad to see Ming Wen leave the show (as implied by the story)
I think she's the best character on the show.

Masterfett · Jun 28, 2018

And now he's the new Director!

Honestly though, while I like his character. I sometimes feel that his overzealous good guy approach can harm the team. No offense, but you're in an elite Black-Ops agency where there's gonna be hard choices to be made.

RomanXKnight · Jun 29, 2018

Masterfett said:
And now he's the new Director!

Honestly though, while I like his character. I sometimes feel that his overzealous good guy approach can harm the team. No offense, but you're in an elite Black-Ops agency where there's gonna be hard choices to be made.

He cries too much and comes up with the world's stupidest nicknames. Bring back Deathlok.

Todd_F · Jul 9, 2018

Over the last month I've watched all 5 season on Netwflix and was astounded how the plots, story, depth, characters, and acting just kept improving! I love this show and thought ep 522, "The End," was a PERFECT way to say goodbye to our beloved reluctant heroes. I'm also pretty geeked that we'll be getting a season 6, that I'm confidant will feel more like an epilogue than anything else.

Okay, my thoughts on breaking the time loop. Please lmk if I'm wrong on this.
I believe the first person to break the time loop was Robin, when she told her mother that it would be the last time they would see each other IF she did not tell Talbot the location of the gravitonium, which she had not done before in the loop. Clearly she did this time. Thus, Talbot's attack on Chicago. After that, the time loop changes came pretty fast and furious with Coulson not taking the serum, Daisy using the odium to destroy Talbot, May & Fitz going into the ship to save Mac and Polly, etc. While I would have liked to have seen Deke "blink" out of existence, I didn't need to see it to know what transpired. I also really enjoyed the final scene with the remaining team setting off to find space capsule Fitz - It was a kind of Empire Strikes Back somber but hopeful vibe to it.

Anyway, damn! This show has had some fantastic writing that I only dream other shows like The Walking Dead could have achieved and maintained. I would be more than happy and content to end the show here, on this super high note.

keknivek · Jul 9, 2018

Todd_F said:
Over the last month I've watched all 5 season on Netwflix and was astounded how the plots, story, depth, characters, and acting just kept improving! I love this show and thought ep 522, "The End," was a PERFECT way to say goodbye to our beloved reluctant heroes. I'm also pretty geeked that we'll be getting a season 6, that I'm confidant will feel more like an epilogue than anything else.

Okay, my thoughts on breaking the time loop. Please lmk if I'm wrong on this.
I believe the first person to break the time loop was Robin, when she told her mother that it would be the last time they would see each other IF she did not tell Talbot the location of the gravitonium, which she had not done before in the loop. Clearly she did this time. Thus, Talbot's attack on Chicago. After that, the time loop changes came pretty fast and furious with Coulson not taking the serum, Daisy using the odium to destroy Talbot, May & Fitz going into the ship to save Mac and Polly, etc. While I would have liked to have seen Deke "blink" out of existence, I didn't need to see it to know what transpired. I also really enjoyed the final scene with the remaining team setting off to find space capsule Fitz - It was a kind of Empire Strikes Back somber but hopeful vibe to it.

Anyway, damn! This show has had some fantastic writing that I only dream other shows like The Walking Dead could have achieved and maintained. I would be more than happy and content to end the show here, on this super high note.

Agreed. Perhaps the best ending of any show I've ever watched consistently.

As far as the time loop........ it's so hard to deal with time. Robin would not have knowledge of any timeline that was not actively going to happen from what I understand of her power. Her knowing that she had to tell Talbot or she "wouldn't see her mother again" was her going along with the time loop in my opinion, because she DID tell Talbot. Now, HOW she would know that she "wouldn't see her again" is the anomaly here. I take it as Robin following the time loop because it is all she understood. Robin of all people would be unable to go against the time loop... she would react like she was in a play and the script was written.

I'm not saying I'm right, but I would be interested to know other opinions on this. I see the time loop being broken by Coulson not being saved like Yoyo said. He broke it by not taking the serum, thus he had the "pieces" to put it together.

Nerfherder · May 22, 2019

So AoS is back, and it looks interesting so far. I'm trying to parse this season with the events of the movies, and it's just not making sense that there's no mention of the snap. Because of all the time travel last season, I'm beginning to wonder if this is an alternate timeline where the snap doesn't take place? i.e. a timeline where Thor chops Thanos' head off in Wakanda at the end of Infinity War.

That being said, there's been nothing in the season so far that has disputed the snap taking place, but I'd have to imagine they'd mention it. Also, I think all sporting events would've been cancelled, and we see them on the TV at the bar. Who knows!

Masterfett · May 22, 2019

I agree, it is after all a given what was happening in the Movies. So they had plenty of time to write it in somehow, at least some kind of acknowledgement. Like so and so is gone, or one of their teammates vanished then reappeared 5 years later. They even acknowledge the passage of time from when they returned, and obviously have new team mates. But no mention of the snap at all.

Mildoo · May 22, 2019

No mention of the snap because they clearly had no idea what was going on with the movie side of things. Remember that Marvel Television and Marvel Studios are not the same company.

They probably thought they'd be safe setting this season 1 year after Infinity War and then Endgame came out and it's all of a sudden it's not until 5 years that the effects of the snap are mostly reversed, and the show runners had to scramble into action and say that the whole season is set before the snap, even though season 5 reference the events of IW.

lister · May 23, 2019

Mildoo said:
No mention of the snap because they clearly had no idea what was going on with the movie side of things. Remember that Marvel Television and Marvel Studios are not the same company.

They probably thought they'd be safe setting this season 1 year after Infinity War and then Endgame came out and it's all of a sudden it's not until 5 years that the effects of the snap are mostly reversed, and the show runners had to scramble into action and say that the whole season is set before the snap, even though season 5 reference the events of IW.

Exactly. The Endgame plot was super top secret. With the exception of Downey, even the actors who appeared in the movie weren't given the entire script in an effort to cut down on possible leaks. So there was no way the Russos and Markus and McFeely were going to reveal what happens in Endgame to the AOS producers, writers, cast, and crew. That would increase the number of people who would have knowledge of Endgame's plot to a level that they obviously couldn't allow. It wasn't worth the risk.

VideoViper · May 23, 2019

I am willing to give them a little slack, Behind the scene they didn't know exactly when they would be back on air, so that makes it hard to write something that could potentially be a huge spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen Endgame (There are people who haven't seen it yet & they get really pissed when I pretend to spoil it for them with the Iron Man Captain American Love scene.

Seriously if you don't want spoilers get off the internet)

So the one year in the future makes sense so they can deal with the snap at their own pace. Granted some things from the PR side (Ghost rider spin off) makes it sound like everyone will be in their own timelines. Which its all connected is one of Marvel's strengths in my opinion. Even Hulu & Netflix shows are connected, just no crossovers likely due to real life network/legal/not want to deal with it issues.

Cobalt60 · May 23, 2019

we are being told there is a Multiverse now -- the MCU is no longer "one universe" -- that ended with endgame.

(now we're going back to the way things were in the 90's and 00's, where each franchise existed in its own bubble -- aka: Multiverse -- that seems to be what the fans actually want now).

SnTrooper · May 26, 2020

Final season starts tomorrow.

Masterfett · May 27, 2020

I recently canceled TV so i'll have to try to watch this some other way, or wait till it shows up on Netflix.
Though it's not really looking that interesting to me

Carnor_Jax · May 30, 2020

This is bad so bad it doesn't make any sense...and I thought they were going out with a bang...more like a whimper

Nerfherder · Jul 10, 2020

I've been digging the time travel stuff this season. I really enjoyed the 80's episode this week. Two great easter eggs in this one - the robots are cribbed directly from a B horror movie called Chopping Mall, which you'd think was about an axe murderer in a mall, but no, it was killer robots. The robots even kill in a similar fashion in this episode (one even has an uzi, which made me laugh out loud and clap hysterically). Also part of the story brings Mack to a house that doesn't just look like Marty's house from Back to the Future - it IS Marty's house. You can see the power lines behind it.

Masterfett · Jul 10, 2020

IDK, I feel for it being the last season it's approached as more of a joke than anything. It's alright but something just feels off about it.

VideoViper · Jul 11, 2020

I knew those robots looked familiar .
I usually love time travel but hate what they are doing this season seems like movies had:
Magic stones / we have magic time/space rocks
Wizards?/we have the demon bike rider that you were planning to use.
Time travel/ we can do that don’t even have to follow the same rules.

Budget stuff is bugging the heck out of me but it’s status quo at this point.

Not sure if it’s leading up to anything important

Also if they had to kill Phil again please let him stay dead or else it doesn’t matter

Coz · Jul 13, 2020

lol. Phil Headroom. I've enjoyed this season.

Masterfett · Jul 24, 2020

While it has been nice to see past(or future?) characters pop back in for their final season, I have to wonder why they went this route when it's essentially a glaring plot hole from the start. Chronicom's being able to go back in time and fighting that hard to take Earth for themselves, makes me wonder why they simply couldn't do the same to save their own home world? If Humans were able to defeat the Shrike then certainly the "smarter and more capable" Chronicoms should be able to do so? So in their infinite wisdom it apparently seemed much easier to take over Earth. lol

All that aside it is nice to see Sousa come aboard and I have theories on that as well, like do they place him back into the time leading up to Avengers so that he become "that cop"? Or does he make the ultimate sacrifice for "someone", and "that cop" was another person who simply resembled him?
Because i would think that if he returned to the time line that he would want to remain with Shield in some capacity, and if he is "that cop" then he likely was mind wiped and assumed a new identity.

Some interesting stuff with Daisy's family and Whitehall.

Carnor_Jax · Jul 24, 2020

Masterfett said:
Some interesting stuff with Daisy's family and Whitehall.

Yea but most of the stuff we already knew about

Cobalt60 · Jul 24, 2020

I thought this latest episode was the best one of the season so far. it was directed by Elizabeth Henstridge (Agent Simmons). I actually met her once in person. she's the nicest, most humble hollywood celeb I've ever met. I can't wait to see what she does next after AoS. maybe she'll become a director full time. Disney would be smart to use her on their SW stuff. this episode was better-directed than some of the Mandalorian filler-episodes (no names). as a new director, who hasn't really done it before, I think she did a fantastic job. given the whole non-linear "time loop" structure, this wouldn't be an 'easy' episode to direct.... but she nailed it. *hats off*

deathstar1000 · Jul 28, 2020

I've been really enjoying this season! It's been really fun so far.