Lili Ledy Jawa, genuine?

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Hi guys I need some advice as a fellow member has alerted me this might be not quite right, the connecter on the hood and the dark stitching.

Please give me some help as on the verge of payment.

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So not good then James? I haven't paid the guy yet so maybe will leave it. What happens if you dont pay on Ebay?
 
Yeah I emailed Dennis as well. Maybe should've done my research first but not all lost as not paid but never been in this position before so don't know how it works if I just don't pay on Ebay?
 
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Perhaps ask the seller for more info. A quick google images search shows nothing like that one. I've 'heard' of a dark stitching version but unless the price is for a naked figure & gun I'd personally pass on it. Lets see what others have to say.
 
Thanks James, appreciate your input dude.

Btw what happens if I dont pay on Ebay?
 
Just had a response from the seller after emailing him explaining the situation...

"I have 2 variations of the LL variant and there are variationes of the stitching.
This Jawa I bought on a toycom in the Jear 1996!"

So now I'm not sure. Need a LL specialist if poss! Anyone?
 
If you don't pay you could get a strike against you for non-paying bidder. If you get 2 or more people can block you automatically from their auctions. I have that in place in my seller profile. However that's only if it turns ugly. If you guys just don't go through with it then you dont.

I don't know a ton about Ledy Jawa's but in my limited exposure to them I've never seen that stitching. Seems very high in the cuffs. Until someone confirms 100% here, I'd wait
 
Thanks John. As I don't have any strikes that's not a major concern. I will await for more information as everyone seems to be saying the same thing about the stitching, apart from the seller that is, lol.

I appreciate everyones help btw, know I can count on fellow members for item information. Thanks guys.
 
To be fair to the guy he's been ok with what I've been saying and said I will be awaiting confirmation from other members about the authenticity of the LL Jawa and he understands and awaits my reply. :S Not the kind of talk you'd expect from a scammer tho he seems genuine! Maybe he genuinely doesn't know that it's not real OR maybe there IS actually a variation on the stitching.

I've also contacted AFA about this so hopefully will get some feedback there too.
 
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Looks like pants I had when I was six that my mom hemmed in a hurry .

Oh and 2 different color stitching from the hood to the cloak ?
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Eric_Taylor said:
Looks like pants I had when I was six that my mom hemmed in a hurry .
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That's my big issue. I'm not even getting into the issue of the color thread. The hem on the bottom of the cloak and sleeve is usually pretty uniformly distanced. This one looks the the chick from Nightmare before Christmas made it for Jake Skellington
 
Cheers John for the research. So we can conclude this one's a no-no!
 
Just found this pic on TIG which proves the LL Jawa does come with dark stitching BUT as you can tell by the Ebay one in question the stitching is pretty bad and all others I've seen are certainly uniformed and neat plus closer to the edges.

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Figure and weapon are originals, cape don't look good to me, in fact I never seen those stitches before, and looks different than the hood
 
tigerham said:
Just found this pic on TIG which proves the LL Jawa does come with dark stitching BUT as you can tell by the Ebay one in question the stitching is pretty bad and all others I've seen are certainly uniformed and neat plus closer to the edges.

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If that is Dan's picture Ham, I am almost certain the one on the right was actually refused (notice it has no gold sticker at the bottom of the case)

His was rejected because it was fake and sold to him by jessstarwars on ebay..
 
I think it had an AFA refusal letter with it but wasn't sure which one it was for. The one on the left looks as tho it has darker stitching to me but this obviously cant be right as has been graded 90.

Cheers Joe.
 
You could try asking Dan for some more information on the refusal Ham, he took down all his old pictures on TIG as he is slowly selling up but he is still around!
 
The guy was totally understanding and had no problem with me withdrawing from the sale. He also stated, which to an extent is true, that there is not enough known about the LL Jawa but as I explained to him about the stitching being far from the edges plus the untidyness of it makes for one to be slightly dubious.

He bought one in '86 in Mexico and also again one in '96 at a toy convention and states they are the same but he's going to send me photos of both and his other Jawa variants tomorrow so I can see the difference.

So we'll see.
 
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Hi Ham,

Just got home and finaly saw the pictures, this is not the one i had in mind. This one looks even worse!
What a crappy stitching it has On the cape.
No matter what the seller says or believe, there is to much wrong with the cape and hood.
I won't believe this is real or a variation. If i where you i would step back from this deal.
There are enough pictures in this thread allready showing genuine examples and that one does not even comes close.

Cheers, Dennis.
 
tigerham said:
Hi guys I need some advice as a fellow member has alerted me this might be not quite right, the connecter on the hood and the dark stitching.

Please give me some help as on the verge of payment.

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Figure itself COULD be Lili Ledy, has good features, but cannot see enough to confirm.

Blaster in left pic may be Ledy. Blaster in right pic does not look like a Lili Ledy to me.

Cape texture looks good but stitch colour, size and position looks like no other confirmed example.

Hope you don't get a non-fee-paying bidder warning - why didn't you ask questions before bidding?

- Graham
 
Hi Graham, thanks for the info dude. The pics are of the same figure so the weapon is the same one in both. Agreed as do many others about the bad stitching. Figure also looks ok.

Why I didn't ask before? Man flu! :p ;)

The guys all good about the situation and has agreed to let things be with no problems. Honestly a nice guy so wondering if he genuinely thinks it is a real LL.
 
tigerham said:
The guys all good about the situation and has agreed to let things be with no problems. Honestly a nice guy so wondering if he genuinely thinks it is a real LL.
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Hi Guys and "experts".

My name is Michael. I`m from Germany and new in this forum. A big Star Wars collector
sinth 1981 with only original accessorries and weapons.
I`m very happy about my new LL Squid Head for my collection, but this is a sidestory
for tigerham, because he knows me. I`m the seller from this LL Jawa on ebay ;)

First: The stitching is not a question of liking.
There are so many variations of color and stitchings on the "normal" Jawas.
So it is for the LL Jawas too. I have 2 LL Jawas in my collection. They look very same.
One of these is the Jawa in the Ebay auktion.

The first I bought in 1986 from a friend he was in USA and Mexico years before.
I dont belive him there was a seperat cape for the Jawa.
So I buy the Jawa from him for 50 DM. A lot of pocket money for a child.

The next I bought on a convention in the middle 90er. They look very same.
In color and in the high of the stitching.

False statement: the LL Jawa always have a "L" on the weapon.
Thats not true. There are variations too.

This arguments are real and I guaranteed this Jawa is ready for AFA grading.
So when there is a fail certification from AFA it gives all money back.

Othersite it goes back in my display case ;)

Sorry about my bad englisch.
Have fun with your collection,

Michael
 
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Hi Michael and thanks for posting on here. It will be interesting for sure to get your LL Jawa graded to see what they say. Please let us know if this happens as this will be a 'new' variation if so. :)

Thanks again dude.

Ham
 
the question is.....why "faking" such a cape with totally wrong stitching while doing such a perfect hood????

I mean the hoods are rare on these...not the capes!

But honestly...I wouldnt buy it! (or better...i wouldnt have BID on it).....better go with the typical stuff on those!!

As already mentioned...IMO these are the questions you should have asked yourself before bidding!



Anyway:
- weapon looks real and exists with L and without L
- figures looks good
- hood looks good.....besides the blueish stitch on the front...could be kind of a little repair??? Lots of hoods get "opened" on the front in time!
- cape material looks good...just the stitching is off...as is the color of it! Such a Jawa will never get an afa grade IMO.....its just too "hot"

just my 2 cents
 
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Hello Wbobafett.

Thank you for you answer.
The question is: is it possible, that there was make fake LL Jawas in the early 80s and in the 90s??
Is there any fake LL Jawa known from this time?

In the next days I will upload pictures from the two LL Jawas I have.
I`m a real collector, too. That is very important for me, because my childhood is than in troubble.

I understood tigerham. I dont wont to have an item in my collection, were i can get 100% sure
for original. But these Jawas are 26 years and 16 years in my collection.
Is there any chance for answer?

...bad englisch. Sorry

Best regards,
veers
 
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MexicanToys said:
Figure and weapon are originals, cape don't look good to me, in fact I never seen those stitches before, and looks different than the hood
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Does the hood look authentic to you ? i'm just asking cause in the left picture of tigerhams first post both the stitching and the cloth of the hood look different from the cape,and from what i've seen in the past the hood is worth two thirds of the price of a complete Ledy jawa .
 
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To answer your first question, yes there are fake LL Jawa's known. And i am sure someone will linkyou soon enough to the thread where alot off fake LL Jawa pictures where gathered.
Also people startted making fake weapons for figures in the early 90's, so why ignore that they also could have made fake Jawa's? (Maybe just not on large scale as the repro weapons)

It's not your childhood that's in trouble, like you said, you bought the Jawa in the 90's, so a possible fake is not excluded.

We are all collectors aswell... If 10 guys say's it looks wrong and the cape is fake, i think you can believe us it's fake. If you want proof for yourself sent it to AFA where it will be inspected (and as i believe it's not genuine, rejected). Then you have your answer. (actually i think you have your answer here in this thread allready).

I have seen much better fakes beeing rejected by AFA, even the picture that Ham showed with the 2 graded LL Jawa's, the Jawa on the right, wich could had been a variation (or come from a batch off darker cloth), even was rejected for having a darker cape then other known examples.


Cheers,
Dennis.


veers74 said:
Hello Wbobafett.

Thank you for you answer.
The question is: is it possible, that there was make fake LL Jawas in the early 80s and in the 90s??
Is there any fake LL Jawa known from this time?

In the next days I will upload pictures from the two LL Jawas I have.
I`m a real collector, too. That is very important for me, because my childhood is than in troubble.

I understood tigerham. I dont wont to have an item in my collection, were i can get 100% sure
for original. But these Jawas are 26 years and 16 years in my collection.
Is there any chance for answer?

...bad englisch. Sorry

Best regards,
veers
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Dennis_Vleugels said:
To answer your first question, yes there are fake LL Jawa's known. And i am sure someone will linkyou soon enough to the thread where alot off fake LL Jawa pictures where gathered.
Also people startted making fake weapons for figures in the early 90's, so why ignore that they also could have made fake Jawa's? (Maybe just not on large scale as the repro weapons)

It's not your childhood that's in trouble, like you said, you bought the Jawa in the 90's, so a possible fake is not excluded.

We are all collectors aswell... If 10 guys say's it looks wrong and the cape is fake, i think you can believe us it's fake. If you want proof for yourself sent it to AFA where it will be inspected (and as i believe it's not genuine, rejected). Then you have your answer. (actually i think you have your answer here in this thread allready).

I have seen much better fakes beeing rejected by AFA, even the picture that Ham showed with the 2 graded LL Jawa's, the Jawa on the right, wich could had been a variation (or come from a batch off darker cloth), even was rejected for having a darker cape then other known examples.


Cheers,
Dennis.
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Hello.

I hope someone can help me or give me a link, but nobody tells tigerham a 100% answer.
The LL Jawa is an extrem side issue and all answers are very spongy.
How many LL jawas have AFA greaded? Dit they know all variations of the LL Jawa?
So at can be possible, that is a variation AFA dont know?
And what they dont know is a fail.
I m very dour with it. Get in my position: the Jawa from the 80s an the one from the 90s look very same. Pictures follow these days.
And I cant believe my first Jawa (from the 80s) is a Fake.

Thank you.
 
Hi Veers, I think what Dennis mentioned is the obvious solution. Send them BOTH to AFA and this will give you your answer as they are the experts and have had hundreds of these pass through their hands.

You don't have to accept what people say on here and maybe use it more as a guide line as people on here can also get it wrong sometimes. Send it to AFA dude and when you do please let us know the results.

I hope we have helped you in whichever way we can. :)

Kind regards

Ham

P.s. you're english is totally understandable Veers no worries. ;)
 
Hi Tigerham.

You are right. It is the last option.
Your opener of the thread "Lili Ledy Jawa, genuine?" is very good for Google etc. Find fast.
It can help other collectors in the future to find the "right" Jawa.
Because this, I will upload pics of my Jawas. (original/fake for the moment its not importently).
Maybe other collectors upload pics from LL Jawas too?!?

Best regards,
veers

P.s. I have canceled the eBay auction.

Wo wär ich ohne Babelfisch:rolleyes:...42...
 
Hi Guys and collectors.

Here are the pictures of my variations or better my problems:confused:
Have anyone seen an AFA greaded LL Jawa like Jawa A ???

And wy are the hood stitching colours different to the capes of all these 2 Jawas?
Remember the Jawa A is from the 80s! My childhood Jawa.






I contact my old friend via Stayfriends and hope he can tell me were he bought "his" jawa (a) in hollyday.
I hope for answer.
Jawa B, I bought ICC Messegelände Berlin Toyconvention from PB Peter Bergner Toys Köln. I remember together with the Sandcrawler.
These are all informations I have.

Best regards,
veers

Wo wär ich ohne Babelfisch:rolleyes:...42...
 
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