Kyle Katarn
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neat to see, but I'd would have preferred a bit more unique looking version, he's reusing Sol's legs which isn't an immediate negative but I feel like Kanan's might have been a better fit aesthetically. He's had several looks so it really depends on the entertainment Hasbro's going for.
Will I buy this? ....
Would I go on a date with Margot Robbie?
If they drop some of the Dark Jedi like Jerric from Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight...I might actually die.
Would I go on a date with Margot Robbie?
If they drop some of the Dark Jedi like Jerric from Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight...I might actually die.
Nice. I'll probably get this.
It's great to see Hasbro dipping back into the old EU well pretty consistently. Some of the brightest spots in the line back in the day.
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Where is Jyn Erso ...I mean Jan Ors ?
My favorite Legends character!! YESSSSS!!!!! Dark Forces 2, Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy are a big part of my childhood.
"I'm no Jedi, just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions."
"I'm no Jedi, just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions."
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Awww... I'm probably in the minority but I wish it was a Dark Forces 1 version. I played the heck out of that game but never played the second...
Yeah, you're probably in the minority, but definitely not alone -- because I'm right there with you, friend! I've played all the games, and love each one, but the first holds the most special place in my heart. Mercenary Kyle will always be the coolest in my book.
I’ll be having that
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One of my two most-wanted characters for TBS (the other is Valance). I knew we’d get this version and that’s okay with me - still incredibly pleased. And a little surprised, honestly.
I’m interested to see if we start getting a deeper dive into the EU.
I’m interested to see if we start getting a deeper dive into the EU.
So they only showed this at NYCC but not yet added to Pulse? They listed Vader and Boba already..
I would buy any Marvel Star Wars characters
Been layed up with man-flu past 24 hrs so just catching up, but very pleased to see this announced at last! Done a decent job with the headsculpt too 
In fairness, I have been. He's my #1. most wanted OT TBS figure ATM, Zam Wesell my #1. PT TBS want.
Dash was my most wanted figure this year, now Katarn last year. I'm also very happy to see he has his blaster pistol and they didn't cheap out and give him Han's.
Honestly, for as much as I love Jedi Knight...Outcast and Jedi Academy are even better. I played them again relatively recently and honestly, they make modern SW games look so pathetically limited. Since Force Unleashed, lightsaber combat has been a DOWNGRADE. It's basically just hack and slash. It's ASTOUNDING how well they pulled off saber dueling in the Jedi Knight/Dark Forces games. It's, by far, the closest it's come to actual combat from the films. No contest. I get that in a game, you've got to make a saber not an insta-kill. I get it. But it still felt SO powerful in these games, you'd occasionally sever limbs, you can have direct contact-to-contact blades, so many different styles to choose from fast and mobile to slow but powerful, in combo with footwork and force abilities...no two duels would ever, ever be alike. I LOVED force pushing troopers off cliffs, even more so foce choking people, walk with them levetated like a rag doll in front of me to an edge, and then drop them off cliffs and down pits or in lava. Yeah, I was totally darkside. Hah. That feeling you'd get when force pushing a rocket back at the person who shot it at you....EEE! How have SW games gotten WORSE, not better?! These were peak.
An example of how amazing these games were. I've played the Dasaan boss fight in Outcast 100 times, but once...I threw my saber at him, missed him, it went PAST him and hit a pillar...the piller then cracked in half and debris fell ON him and killed him. Decades of playing...I never knew you could do that. The customization options for how to duel and what you can do during a duel were...out of this freaking world. In Academy, on the rail train level, I force pulled a guy off the one car and onto the electric tracks...and he got glued to it by the electricity and his corpse was just clung there. In Outcast, during a duel, I once pushed a sith acolyte guy into an energy beam that would switch on and off and, as I was charging him...it suddenly switched back on and it cut him in half. Go back to this style of saber combat. It's a TRAGEDY games abandoned this and went backwards.
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Come to think of it, those gargoyle species they encounter would be kind of cool too, but only because they were in those comics.
And those cat-ewok-like creatures that grow to monster sizes when they mature
Frankly I think a lot of that stuff would be easy to make with the amount of reuse TBS has access to. Not to mention the budget for new tooling on stuff people don't even ask for. 
I'm guessing some of it simply isn't worth the squeeze all due to royalties to the artists? Doing Dash, Kyle and Xizor are certainly notable enough characters to take that risk on.
I'm guessing some of it simply isn't worth the squeeze all due to royalties to the artists? Doing Dash, Kyle and Xizor are certainly notable enough characters to take that risk on.
Hmmm...not really feeling this one.
From what I've read, Disney doesn't seem to give a care about paying off royalties on anything related to novels.
^ While I don't doubt that, I do think there are some characters that they don't technically "own"? Possibly the early marvel stuff, because i don't think even LFL owned it and that they merely licensed out the rights to tell stories? I mean when you have to option to do extremely obscure characters in the first place it's probably best to keep it to ones that have higher marketability anyway. And TBH they have a hard enough time tackling on screen ones. lol
I don’t know why this argument always comes up. Artists and writers at marvel do not get royalties for later use of their creations. Nor do writers of Star Wars novels. Nor does George Lucas get royalties for use of legacy characters. All characters, settings, stories, etc. are the sole property of the IP owner. The only time royalties are due to the writer are when the actual thing they wrote is published- and then, only if that is contracted for.
I got no dog in the will they/won’t they over old comic character toys discussion, but that’s not any kind of a variable.
I got no dog in the will they/won’t they over old comic character toys discussion, but that’s not any kind of a variable.
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Not reusing anyone's leg, he doesn't have Sol's legs or boots. Looks like a brand new figure from head to toes.
Ryan (up until recently from the marketing team for Marvel at Hasbro) was recently on a podcast and said that yes, there are certain characters they couldn't make as figures because of the comic creators. That's a different boat than Star Wars since it's the primary source as opposed to someone created for a video game or novel (that was then turned into a comic or game). But author Steve Perry has been talking about Disney refusing to pay royalties for works of his they're reprinting (his Alien and Predator works) telling him "we bought the IP, not its debt".
So we don't know if there are any figures being held up because if that, but we do know the new Dash Rendar figure is based on art from an all new cover on the reprinted SOTE.
That’s not the same thing. In that case, they are just refusing to pay royalties for reprinting something he had a contract for. He would be owed no royalties for a continuation of those stories.
It’s a breach of contract issue. Not an original IP issue.
Again, there may be certain instances where Lucasfilm agreed to pay royalties on the continued use of characters created for their own IP. But I sincerely doubt it. That would make absolutely no sense from a legal or business prospective.
It’s a breach of contract issue. Not an original IP issue.
Again, there may be certain instances where Lucasfilm agreed to pay royalties on the continued use of characters created for their own IP. But I sincerely doubt it. That would make absolutely no sense from a legal or business prospective.
Finally!
Very excited for this one. Always good to see anything from the EU getting some love, but this would always have been my number one pick for an EU figure. There's very few movie or Disney era figures left to be done that would come above him, at that.
Some weird choices in the design though, very similar to the Dash figure.
80% of this seems based off the Jedi Knight FMV cutscene depiction of Kyle. You've got the darker brown pants, the wide belt, the left sided holster, the bracers but no gloves, the black patches under the arms, the face seems younger, there's no grey in the hair...
But then the hairstyle seems more like the Jedi Outcast/Academy version (though it isn't really a match for either), the shoulder pad is the JO one in both placement and design, as is the lightsaber (though for some reason they've added a gold band). The 'drawstrings' on the shirt are also only on the JO version, and the collar of the shirt comes up higher on the neck than the JK depiction. The boots are also JO only, I believe.
It also doesn't look like they've bothered with the grey undershirt at all, even though that's present in both depictions, and instead have added a black triangle where the cut on the outer shirt should be. The face is also not really Jason Court and the very defined parting in the hair has no basis in any of the games.
I guess they decided to go for a hybrid look rather than any specific version, and have seemingly done the same as Dash and just completely invented a new face.
I'd probably have preferred a dedicated JK look, with an attempt at modelling Jason Court's likeness and both Rahn and Yun's lightsabers. Also a little disappointed they're just reusing Andor's bryar pistol, rather than giving us an accurate JK version (still the best take on the gun!) but maybe some third party prints could solve that for me.
All that said, this one's a no brainer for me. Assuming it has all the modern articulation, I think I'll have a lot of fun with this one.
Very excited for this one. Always good to see anything from the EU getting some love, but this would always have been my number one pick for an EU figure. There's very few movie or Disney era figures left to be done that would come above him, at that.
Some weird choices in the design though, very similar to the Dash figure.
80% of this seems based off the Jedi Knight FMV cutscene depiction of Kyle. You've got the darker brown pants, the wide belt, the left sided holster, the bracers but no gloves, the black patches under the arms, the face seems younger, there's no grey in the hair...
But then the hairstyle seems more like the Jedi Outcast/Academy version (though it isn't really a match for either), the shoulder pad is the JO one in both placement and design, as is the lightsaber (though for some reason they've added a gold band). The 'drawstrings' on the shirt are also only on the JO version, and the collar of the shirt comes up higher on the neck than the JK depiction. The boots are also JO only, I believe.
It also doesn't look like they've bothered with the grey undershirt at all, even though that's present in both depictions, and instead have added a black triangle where the cut on the outer shirt should be. The face is also not really Jason Court and the very defined parting in the hair has no basis in any of the games.
I guess they decided to go for a hybrid look rather than any specific version, and have seemingly done the same as Dash and just completely invented a new face.
I'd probably have preferred a dedicated JK look, with an attempt at modelling Jason Court's likeness and both Rahn and Yun's lightsabers. Also a little disappointed they're just reusing Andor's bryar pistol, rather than giving us an accurate JK version (still the best take on the gun!) but maybe some third party prints could solve that for me.
All that said, this one's a no brainer for me. Assuming it has all the modern articulation, I think I'll have a lot of fun with this one.
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Oh boy, this is one I will definitely have to pick up. Really loving the old EU getting some 6" attention.
Hasbro making characters like this is the only way you are going to get full retail price out of me.
I don't remember if we got a tvc version of Kyle. I'd have to check my spreadsheet.
I don't remember if we got a tvc version of Kyle. I'd have to check my spreadsheet.
TVC specifically? No, or at least not yet. We've had two in 3.75" scale--the 6 POA figure from the EU subline in the late 90s, and then a (mostly) super articulated version in a comic book 2-pack with a ginormous Yuuzhan Vong figure sometime in the 2000s.
