Kevin Feige's Star Wars project

[Cobalt60]

I'm surprised nobody has posted about this yet..

"...tonight it's being reported that the producer behind Avengers: Endgame, the biggest movie of all time, is developing a new Star Wars movie."

https://movieweb.com/kevin-feige-star-wars-movie-disney/
https://movieweb.com/star-wars-kevin-feige-movie-cast-lucasfilm/

"...For the time being, Kathleen Kennedy is still in charge of Lucasfilm, and there are no plans to change that. One top Disney insider claims Kevin Feige already has an actor in mind for a specific role* when he makes the movie, and has already reached out to this unidentified individual.* It could even be someone already involved with the MCU*, but no further info is provided. Let the speculation begin."





(meanwhile, Rian Johnson is "still working on" deciding who his characters will be, and where he wants them to go.. in other words..
he hasn't EVEN completed a first draft of his story yet LOL -- whenever asked, he always says, he's "still working on it" -- whatever that means). ROFL!

* rumor and speculation seems to point towards Brie Larson as the "unidentified" MCU Mystery Actor (based solely on one twitter post that she made about being a SW fan)...
https://movieweb.com/star-wars-movie-brie-larson-kevin-feige/
.....but if I had to guess, it seems MUCH more likely, he would cast Sebastion Stan as a young Luke Skywalker.





either way , this seems to be the smartest thing Disney has done with the brand so far -- to hand SW over, to the producer of the MCU.

(IS this a "first step" towards replacing Kathleen Kennedy?)

-= discuss =-

 

[farmer]

Oh God… MCU-SW… Fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuu....Zzzzzzz. Just when I think SW couldn’t sink any lower.

Brie is the epitome of empty, bland and arrogant.

Kevin/MCU/Brie is going to have me appreciating Kathy/Rian/Rey… LOL...

 

[Oofa]

Feige is woke too, he will not save Star Wars, he will probably make Disney a lot of money though.
And Brie... if they are trying to heal the fanbase, it would be very odd to bring one in that will split what's left of the fanbase, based purely on her statements etc.

Dooku says twice the pride, double the fall

 

[sharky]

I guess they want to go down in a blaze of glory.

Edit: I should clarify my comment. I was referring to casting Brie Larson in a Star Wars movie. She's was a terrible Captain Marvel.

 

[CellBlock1138]

Yeh, heard about that the other day, but I can't say I was that enthused. The MCU isn't the holy grail to me, as it is to some. In fact, I think much of it is dreck and over all very poor examples of film making, so Feige's involvement means nothing to me personally.

However, his inclusion into Diswars only solidifies my suspicion that Disney were and are trying to Marvelise Star Wars, because they haven't the first clue what made Star Wars great in the first place.

 

[Cobalt60]

perhaps its a case of 'too little too late'. IMO they should have started with this. it was a mistake to allow KK to run amok for 4 years with no clue as to what she was doing. say what you want about the 'dreck' of the individual MCU films, the ONE thing they got right was "world building" on a grand scale. under Feige, the MCU "spun a yarn" which went on for 22 movies!! meanwhile, KK spun a yarn that fell apart after the very FIRST outing -- she couldn't even manage to 'string together' episodes 7 and 8 -- at this point, SW is in desperate need of "world building", and that's what Feige brings to the table. but at this point, even if they fired KK and replaced her with Feige, it might be to late to do anything about it. in the last 4 years, KK has steered this franchise into an iceberg. now the ship is sinking. a change of leadership might be 'too little too late' at this late stage of the game.

 

[Oofa]

They should've started with listening to George, take his drafts/outlines and work from there. After all he created this galaxy.

 

[Cobalt60]

^^ in that case, KK would still be in charge, making all the same decisions over the last 4 years.
meaning: even if she followed GL's story kernel, the net result would have been largely the same.
(she produced "crystal skull", which was written by GL, and just look how well that turned out).

for the record, she was also the Producer on "The Last Airbender" movie.
and just look how well THAT franchise turned out. it was over before it began.
as a movie serial, it lasted for a total of "one" movie before it all fell apart.. (sound familiar? LOL!)


(IMO) Disney should have replaced KK a long time ago.
Feige is the most qualified candidate.

 

[Cobalt60]

also, I seem to remember some kind of drama where Feige was running into friction from Ike Perlmutter the head of Marvel Comics.
Bob Iger changed the management structure so Feige would report directly to Disney.

https://cosmicbook.news/bob-iger-marvel-war-kevin-feige-ike-perlmutter

Disney CEO Bob Iger has a new book out where he goes into detail in regards to the war between Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige and then Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter over the direction of the MCU films.

Long story short, Feige has been said to have butted heads with Ike Perlmutter and his advisory team, the Marvel Comics Creative Committee (MCCC), over the direction of the MCU movies, which caused a civil war within Disney.

Reportedly, things got so bad that Ike Perlmutter and his MCCC are said to be the reason why director Joss Whedon left Marvel Studios and quit comic book movies following the release of The Avengers: Age of Ultron.


James Gunn touched upon the troubles he had with the MCCC while doing the first Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Russos have also said that life is much better now that the MCCC and Perlmutter are no longer involved with Marvel Studios.

Iger says he realized it was causing a problem between the LA (Feige) and the NY (Perlmutter) studios and that he had to step in, which saw Perlmutter and his cronies out, and Marvel Studios (Feige) report back to Disney film chief Alan Horn instead of Perlmutter.

While Iger cut off Perlmutter and his MCCC from being involved with the movies, Perlmutter is still in control of Marvel TV, Comics, Gaming, Licensing, and Merchandising, as Perlmutter happens to be an eccentric billionaire holding one of the highest amounts of shares of Disney.

Book quote from Iger: "Kevin is one of the most talented film executives in the business, but my sense was that the strained relationship with New York was threatening his continued success. I knew I had to intervene, and so in May 2015, I made the decision to split Marvel’s movie-making unit off from the rest of Marvel and bring it under Alan Horn and the Walt Disney Studios. Kevin would now report directly to Alan, and would benefit from his experience, and the tensions that had built up between him and the New York office would be alleviated."

^^ this is what Lucasfilm needs. if KK has to be the CEO of Lucasfilm.... then let her deal with Hasbro and publish comic books or whatever she does all day. turn the "movie" production over to a guy like Feige, and let him report directly to Alan Horn, bypassing KK altogether.

I have to imagine, if Feige is producing a SW movie (in place of KK who 'normally' produces this stuff), then it's a good bet Iger had SOMETHING to do with this decision. we can only hope, that it's only a matter of time, before KK isn't producing SW movies at all anymore. I see this as a 'first step' toward pushing her out.

ie: KK is to Lucasfilm, as Perlmutter is to Marvel.. he's the CEO of Marvel Comics.... but that doesn't mean he knows squat about producing a hit movie franchise. (and neither does SHE).

 

[Masterfett]

While Feige has done a good job running the MCU, it's not Star Wars. I'm not certain I want him at the helm here anymore than KK or JJ. For the most part I have thoroughly enjoyed the MCU, but I'm also not blind to some of the duds through the years. Or at least uninteresting to me. Just because I've loved 90% of the movies doesn't mean the franchise is flawless.

And turning Star Wars into Marvel probably isn't the answer anymore than what we just endured. Personally I'm not interested in Brie as much of anything, she didn't really deliver that much in Capt. Marvel. And as a long time fan of the character, I was a bit letdown.

I think what worked for Star Wars was the gritty unpolished feel. And for whatever reasons the characters were endearing. So they need to cut back on the frills and over the top "this is my time now", and just make a good movie with an interesting plot and characters.

 

[Neal]

Just because I've loved 90% of the movies doesn't mean the franchise is flawless.

Well, right ... but by your math, you've "loved" (almost) 21 of the 23 films. That's a pretty decent run, wouldn't you say?

 

[Masterfett]

okay maybe 75%, I was never too good at fractions. Iron Man 3, Thor 2 and Dr. Strange I can pretty just live without ever seeing again. GOTG 2 is still watchable, but less so than the first. And Black panther scores just above those 4. So i probably really only love 15 of them, with a couple at being just okay.

Still doesn't mean Feige is the right man fer Star Wars. Not that he could do any worse, but that just my opinion. Lot of people seem to like the ST no problem. :\

 

[Simdog]

Feige has shown the ability to do one thing that Disney has failed to do with the sequels and that is have a story arc for the entire trilogy. Aside from being a crappy story, the fact that they had no overarching plan is another reason why the the ST was doomed. I'd take my chances with Feige at this point.

 

[Masterfett]

After months of no news regarding the movement of this project, I read that Fiege has chosen the writer in Michael Waldron who penned Loki and Dr. Strange 2, as well as Rick & Morty.

 

[Trooper31]

Is this film coming before Takiti's film or after??

 

[pod]

Is this film coming before Takiti's film or after??

Takiti's film was announced, but I don't believe there's anything official for this one yet.

 

[Masterfett]

This one is expected to come out after both Watiti's and Jenkin's movies, likely by or in 25.

 

[Trooper31]

Thanks for the info!!

 

[Masterfett]

My bad, I should have said "suspected" or at least "believed" because it hasn't even been "officially" announced yet. And could totally sneak in somewhere in between those two. My suspicion is that it would likely come later because he's a busy guy over at Marvel and this is a side project for him.

With what happened to the movie year of 2020 and subsequent moves to 21 for many, it kind of pushed everything out a bit, although i don't think it directly affected Star Wars as it was on hiatus anyways. Some thought that Taika's movie would be the rumored one for 22/23 but it now appears that it is Jenkin's Rogue Squadron. Then it seems Taika's will be in 25, so perhaps Feige's movie will be in 24 or 26. I don't know if they plan to do one every year like they had previously, before the "franchise fatigue" issues.

I don't really see anything coming out in 22 unless they fast tracked an idea and kept it totally secret.

 

[CellBlock1138]

I recently watched 'Thor: Ragnarok' and if that's what Watiti has in mind for Star Wars, I hope it never sees the light of day.

Star Was isn't comedy.

 

[Masterfett]

I kind of agree, he's got that weird/kooky funny bit going on. Although I've also heard good things about Jo Jo Rabbit which doesn't seem to be a comedy. IDK

From what I've heard Taika's movie could be directly inspired from one of the Comics Dawn of the Jedi, based on fan speculation due to images resembling Tho Yor seen at Disney's Investor day. I don't know anything about as I've never read that series.

 

[CellBlock1138]

Waititi is a curious figure. His film's have a VERY particular flavour that suit individual projects, but will be totally out of place in a series. But he's one of those "meta" directors that are beloved of Hollywood these days. Everything is a nod and a wink, and while that may work in a one off movie about some quirky subject, it most definitely will NOT work in a Star Wars movie. And I say that as someone who is generally well disposed to his stuff.

And I know the camera hasn't even started rolling yet, but the thing is, you have a pretty good idea already what you're going to get based on his previous output. It's like giving a Star Wars movie to Wes Anderson, or Woody Allen. There'll be a particular style involved that they have been unable or unwilling to move away from previously and that's pretty much what you're in for. And I just cannot see Waititi's Star Wars movie being in any way consistent, either with itself or the rest of the films. But, then again, we're into that phase already, as 'The Last Jedi' has shown. And for the people who hated the "humour" in that, you better buckle up (in the Bette Davis meaning).

But Disney's approach to this franchise has been...curious...to say the least. They seem to be of the idea that you can just throw a Star Wars movie at any hot director, irrespective of their peculiarities, and hope it'll all come together. And you just cannot do that, as evidenced by Rian Johnson's handling of his one and Lord and Miller's disastrous attempt. There are particular constraints that need to be observed with this stuff, as good or as bad as that may be. You couldn't just hand John Waters a Star Wars movie and let him do what he wants with it. The idea may sound gas, in a what if kind of way. But then that movie becomes part of the story and creates deep, deep, holes that become impossible to climb out of.

As for 'Jo Jo Rabbit', it's definitely a comedy with some off kilter serious moments that just eliminate the tone the movie goes for throughout most of its runtime. But it's indicative of a lot of the Hollywood output these days. Wildly inconsistent tone and attempts at humour that isn't really that funny. But, Jo Jo Rabbit's problem may have more to do with the source material than Waititi's film.

 

[pod]

He's been working on the Mandalorian, so I'd hope he won't go too far off the mark. My only thing is that they showed the "logo" for his show, which is just the Star Wars logo in a cartoony carved, chipped 3D stone, like the Flintstones or Land of the Lost.

 

[Masterfett]

They also let the Game of Thrones guys go, which to me seemed the oddest. At least they have a decent background for a possible Old republic era movie, if Disney ever planned that at all. Now that they have parted ways who knows who they would get of that era, if indeed they were or ever plan to tell stories in that era.

As much hate as Rian gets I could have totally seen a "spin-off" movie from him doing much better, not being bound to what had already come before it would have been truly interesting to see a fresh take on the Franchise. Unfortunately I just can't accept what he did to Luke, I never will. People can see it as his a natural evolution for the character and that's fine, but to me that would never be Luke Skywalker.

IMHO it all started with Abram's lazy attempt at a reboot, and that's exactly what TFA is rehashed ANH. Which is probably why it's a half as good and the only decent movie of the ST. It simply wasn't what I was after.

My hope is that we eventually get a totally new Star Wars era not bogged down by OT character that have to be destroyed to make their new ones shine. Not remakes of previous Star Wars movies and certainly not stuffed full of non essential BS.

 

[Lobotscomb]

IMHO it all started with Abram's lazy attempt at a reboot, and that's exactly what TFA is rehashed ANH. Which is probably why it's a half as good and the only decent movie of the ST. It simply wasn't what I was after.

That's not an opinion it is FACT!

as far as the GOT guys went, they knew how to copy and paste, that's it. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but GOT started strong and went out with a whimper.

 

[Masterfett]

Oh? I just started watching, only on S3 Ep3 and so far it's pretty good. Granted it feels way too crowded at times with all the clans etc. to keep track of.
Truthfully speaking any show can get a repetitive feeling as it goes on, or make decision you don't agree with. I've followed plenty of shows like that and wound up bailing after the 3rd or 4th season.

As a one time movie or even trilogy based story arc I think they would be fine.

 

[pod]

Oh? I just started watching, only on S3 Ep3 and so far it's pretty good. Granted it feels way too crowded at times with all the clans etc. to keep track of.
Truthfully speaking any show can get a repetitive feeling as it goes on, or make decision you don't agree with. I've followed plenty of shows like that and wound up bailing after the 3rd or 4th season.

As a one time movie or even trilogy based story arc I think they would be fine.

Why? Games was an adaption of a novel. What novel were they be adapting for their SW movie?

 

[Caas_Sandhri]

as far as the GOT guys went, they knew how to copy and paste, that's it. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but GOT started strong and went out with a whimper.

They ran out of books and had to go with vague ideas and their own writing strength, turned out writing was not their strength. Anyway, GRR Martin said that the story would have required multiple seasons to properly conclude (there were lots of storylines and characters left out of the series adaption already) but the "GOT guys" wanted to wrap it up. And it indeed looks that way.

If Lucas had gotten bored of Star Wars by ESB, and had let it end like GOT ended, then during the Bespin duel of Luke vs Vader hundreds of Ugnaughts would have come out of the machinery and beaten Vader to death with C-3POs dismembered legs. Then the Emperor died of a heart attack, Luke would have been crowned new Emperor, married Leia, and Yoda would've gone off with Han and Chewie to discover a new galaxy.

 

[Masterfett]

Why? Games was an adaption of a novel. What novel were they be adapting for their SW movie?

You seriously have to ask, have you never read a SW book? There are plenty if Disney wanted to reuse any number of "Legends" stories from the decades before the purge of 2012. If you're being snarky, IDK because I've never read the Books they adapted for their movie. If you're saying they lack the talent to write without adapting it from something, as in "their own ideas" then maybe that's why they are no longer involved.

Every movie is in some way an adaptation from a previous story anyways, a person could essentially write about King Arthur and set it in the SW Universe and it would seem to to it. Like i said before they could "adapt" KotOR into a movie, though not set it around Revan as there's thousands of years to play around in that era.

 

[pod]

You seriously have to ask, have you never read a SW book? There are plenty if Disney wanted to reuse any number of "Legends" stories from the decades before the purge of 2012. If you're being snarky, IDK because I've never read the Books they adapted for their movie. If you're saying they lack the talent to write without adapting it from something, as in "their own ideas" then maybe that's why they are no longer involved.

Every movie is in some way an adaptation from a previous story anyways, a person could essentially write about King Arthur and set it in the SW Universe and it would seem to to it. Like i said before they could "adapt" KotOR into a movie, though not set it around Revan as there's thousands of years to play around in that era.

What I said was, the GoT guys have made it clear that book adaptations are the only thing they are good at, while KK has made it clear that Lucasfilm is not adapting old novels. Bad match.

 

[Oofa]

They ran out of books and had to go with vague ideas and their own writing strength, turned out writing was not their strength. Anyway, GRR Martin said that the story would have required multiple seasons to properly conclude (there were lots of storylines and characters left out of the series adaption already) but the "GOT guys" wanted to wrap it up. And it indeed looks that way.

If Lucas had gotten bored of Star Wars by ESB, and had let it end like GOT ended, then during the Bespin duel of Luke vs Vader hundreds of Ugnaughts would have come out of the machinery and beaten Vader to death with C-3POs dismembered legs. Then the Emperor died of a heart attack, Luke would have been crowned new Emperor, married Leia, and Yoda would've gone off with Han and Chewie to discover a new galaxy.

Not to mention leaving anything force-related and mystic out of it as that wasn't their thing either in GOT

 

[Caas_Sandhri]

Not to mention leaving anything force-related and mystic out of it as that wasn't their thing either in GOT

To be fair, I am not sure what GRRM wants to express in his books either. There are obviously magical things happening, including resurrection from the dead, and many things that may or may not be magic, like dragons and super-napalm, but very central points have never been addressed in the main books, like what is the connection between the Targaryens and the dragons, how do they communicate? How real are the gods, what powers can they bestow, or are they maybe nonexistent and the powers come from a different source? etc etc

I can see that the books would ultimately end somehow (situational) like the series, if the development had been better explained and the characters not done 180° changes with no good reason. But at the same time, GRRM is now stuck between two very different writing modes, a straightforward mode where the future situations develop logically from the characters' motivations - the thing GOT was famous for - and a goal-oriented writing towards an intended end where things come together and provide a climactic finale (but to implement that, all the characters and all the situations have to be resolved, and a complex pattern needs to be collapsed into a Big Break that still somehow satisfies the readers...) - a thing that GRRM is struggling with for a decade now.

Anyway. I'm not convinced that the celebrated parts from the early seasons of GOT can be attributed to "the GOT guys", and SW is not GOT in the first place, so I wonder why these guys were ever such a sought-after directorial pair for the GFFA... (and I may also be mistaken, and they would have made a wonderful SW movie, there's just not enough data, and what do I know.)

 

[Masterfett]

TBH, I think it's too difficult to say who'd make a good Star Wars Movie. Many thought JJ was the right choice, while I maintain that he wasn't. Maybe they should go after someone with a proven Sci-Fi track record without using "gimmicks" ? Or maybe just get someone who writes good stories, directs good movies and just set that story in a GFFA. If you're a great story teller it shouldn't matter the setting, right? All that stuff it just set dressing anyways.

If James Gunn wasn't so quirky I might think he'd do a good job at it, but some people seem to think comedy isn't right for Star Wars. Yet we have Taika doing a movie so...

 

[CellBlock1138]

They also let the Game of Thrones guys go, which to me seemed the oddest. At least they have a decent background for a possible Old republic era movie, if Disney ever planned that at all. Now that they have parted ways who knows who they would get of that era, if indeed they were or ever plan to tell stories in that era.

As much hate as Rian gets I could have totally seen a "spin-off" movie from him doing much better, not being bound to what had already come before it would have been truly interesting to see a fresh take on the Franchise. Unfortunately I just can't accept what he did to Luke, I never will. People can see it as his a natural evolution for the character and that's fine, but to me that would never be Luke Skywalker.

IMHO it all started with Abram's lazy attempt at a reboot, and that's exactly what TFA is rehashed ANH. Which is probably why it's a half as good and the only decent movie of the ST. It simply wasn't what I was after.

My hope is that we eventually get a totally new Star Wars era not bogged down by OT character that have to be destroyed to make their new ones shine. Not remakes of previous Star Wars movies and certainly not stuffed full of non essential BS.

I think the jettisoning of Benioff and Weiss was more down to damage limitation optics after the silly reaction to S08 of 'Game of Thrones' more than anything else. I can't see any other reason for it. It is a bit of a shame, cos they would have put the wheels in motion for a decent Old Republic scenario, even though I am not really a fan of that period. But if they could keep the straight dramatic thrust of GoT and put that into a Star Wars project, it could have been good.

As for Abrams, I've said it before, he's one of the absolute worst things to come out of Hollywood in 20 years. He's a nothing director. All flash and bang with no substance whatsoever, who's responsible for wrecking two Sci-Fi franchises now. But that doesn't let Johnson off. That he decided just to chuck everything that was built up in TFA over his shoulder is entirely on him. Plus his character assassination of Luke Skywalker will go down in cinema history, for all the wrong reasons.