Han Solo - May 25, 2018

Joined
Jun 18, 2005
Messages
4,589
Reaction score
12
Location
North Carolina
Am I the only one who wishes Han had just been a Stormtrooper? I was really, really, really hoping that the "Stormtroopers aren't part of the regular Imperial Army" nonsense from the WEG sourcebooks (which almost every writer ignored, considering the ubiquity of Stormtroopers vs. the virtual non-existence of Imperial Army Troopers, even with Solo) would've been junked along with the rest of the old EU stuff that never worked, was demonstrably wrong most of the time, and yet stubbornly remained canon.

Past a certain point, what's demonstrated in the movies as well as most games, books and comics should take precedence over what some RPG sourcebook written during the franchise's fledgling years. And in this case, despite what it says about the Stormtroopers, their being used by the Empire for almost everything ought to, in 2019, mean they are the Imperial Army. We even saw an Imperial Army general commanding Snowtroopers, a type of Stormtrooper, in ESB. Or is Veers a Stormtrooper general now? Apparently not. "General Veers, prepare your men." Not "General Veers, prepare some guys from this other branch of the military."

All reinforcing this old WEG stuff does is create problematic questions like, if there's an Imperial Army, where are they all the time? And why do the supposedly elite Stormtroopers and their variants keep being used for duties the separate Army ought to be performing if they exist?

Although in fairness to the second issue, that's also true of the Navy Troopers (who, unlike the WEG-invented Army Troopers, existed in the franchise since day one). A lot of EU, new and old, likes to forget they exist, too. I'm still especially annoyed at Rebels constantly using Stormtroopers for duties aboard Star Destroyers, and basically ignoring the existence of Navy Troopers until literally the last episode (and then Timothy Zahn goes and writes about a strong dislike for the Stormtroopers among the Navy and especially Thrawn's crew - y'know, Thrawn, who used Stormtroopers in Rebels; does one hand not know what the other is doing in this franchise?).
 
Last edited:
Joined
May 9, 2005
Messages
30,825
Reaction score
81
Location
Oregon
Yes, yes I do.

While an interesting take for sure, it felt a tad disrespectful to the character's origins. Same with meeting Chewy. Sure it was good for some laughs, but the whole scene just seemed weird.
 
Joined
May 10, 2018
Messages
1,290
Reaction score
87
Am I the only one who wishes Han had just been a Stormtrooper? I was really, really, really hoping that the "Stormtroopers aren't part of the regular Imperial Army" nonsense from the WEG sourcebooks (which almost every writer ignored, considering the ubiquity of Stormtroopers vs. the virtual non-existence of Imperial Army Troopers, even with Solo) would've been junked along with the rest of the old EU stuff that never worked, was demonstrably wrong most of the time, and yet stubbornly remained canon.

Past a certain point, what's demonstrated in the movies as well as most games, books and comics should take precedence over what some RPG sourcebook written during the franchise's fledgling years. And in this case, despite what it says about the Stormtroopers, their being used by the Empire for almost everything ought to, in 2019, mean they are the Imperial Army. We even saw an Imperial Army general commanding Snowtroopers, a type of Stormtrooper, in ESB. Or is Veers a Stormtrooper general now? Apparently not. "General Veers, prepare your men." Not "General Veers, prepare some guys from this other branch of the military."

All reinforcing this old WEG stuff does is create problematic questions like, if there's an Imperial Army, where are they all the time? And why do the supposedly elite Stormtroopers and their variants keep being used for duties the separate Army ought to be performing if they exist?

Although in fairness to the second issue, that's also true of the Navy Troopers (who, unlike the WEG-invented Army Troopers, existed in the franchise since day one). A lot of EU, new and old, likes to forget they exist, too. I'm still especially annoyed at Rebels constantly using Stormtroopers for duties aboard Star Destroyers, and basically ignoring the existence of Navy Troopers until literally the last episode (and then Timothy Zahn goes and writes about a strong dislike for the Stormtroopers among the Navy and especially Thrawn's crew - y'know, Thrawn, who used Stormtroopers in Rebels; does one hand not know what the other is doing in this franchise?).
AFAIK, Stormtroopers are part of the Imperial Army, but as a semi independent corps. This is quite common in real life military forces. The SAS, for example, was formed as a semi independent body, but still part of the British Armed Forces, and therefore could be subject to orders from other branches on occasion.

So, the Stormtrooper Corps can be attached to the Army and the Navy in the Star Wars universe and still be ordered around by the higher ups in each branch, depending on their deployment.

Now, this business of army grunts in 'Solo' also got my goat too, because I never had an issue with the original story of how Han Solo met Chewie. In fact, I MUCH prefer it to the junk that was in that film, to be honest. Because that scene is terrible, just terrible. However, it was poor film, generally, and one I won't bother with again, so it's no real skin off of my nose.

But, there are two reasons why this new Imperial branch exists.

1. New toys

2. It allows the audience to see the actors faces, so there's no confusion as to who is who.

Personally, it would have been better if Solo had just joined the Navy as a pilot and befriended Chewie, because he witnessed the Empire's mistreatment of Wookies and other races first hand. There was nothing wrong with that in the first place.

To be blunt about it though, the sheer amount of new troops that are wheeled out for the Empire has gotten ridiculous a long time ago. There's a stupid amount at this stage. All these so called "specialist" troops are only there to sell toys, which I suppose sounds weird to say on a toy collecting forum. But, sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
 
Joined
Oct 11, 2017
Messages
281
Reaction score
1
Nevermind, then.
I get what you're saying. And yeah, i wished they had just made him a stormtrooper as well.

I guess my question is - has disney officially named the WEG sourcebook stories you're refernecing as cannon, or did they just borrow some of the elements from it (like those imperial grunts).

Watching Solo, i just assumed that the army that Han got dropped into were basically just the pawns.. the low level foot soldiers that get sent in on emerging battlefronts to soften up the opposing army before you send in more valuable assets like stormtroopers. The thought that there would be some tie between former cannon and what im presented with now never entered my mind (despite the similarities,) and part of me thinks that Disney may have reintroduced the imperial grunt, without actually reintroducing the former cannon that explains their existence (unless im missing a story or something that explicitly states the former cannon is cannon again)?

Either way, im one of those unlikable dweebs that actually liked solo, so i may be biased on this one. Obviously, it's not a patch on the originals, but, Ive watched it 5 times in its entirety, which is more than i can say for any of the PT, or other sequel/story movies.

Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
 
Joined
Aug 18, 2006
Messages
5,616
Reaction score
69
in the original origin story, he was a pilot. on a slave ship, transporting wookiees.
he was disgusted by the treatment of the wookiees and he staged a mutiny.
he freed chewbacca, and the rest is history.


--> Kasdan was stupid to just rewrite his own version of an iconic Origin Story.
that would be like changing Superman's Origin to make him a government experiment instead of an Alien Refugee.
or changing Spiderman's Origin so he gets his powers from the Tesseract instead of the radioactive spider.
.
you can't just change the Origin Story of popular and iconic character... the fans will revolt and you WILL lose money at the box office.
(just saying).
 
Joined
Sep 5, 2015
Messages
2,901
Reaction score
95
Location
Viborg, Denmark
in the original origin story, he was a pilot. on a slave ship, transporting wookiees.
he was disgusted by the treatment of the wookiees and he staged a mutiny.
he freed chewbacca, and the rest is history.


--> Kasdan was stupid to just rewrite his own version of an iconic Origin Story.
that would be like changing Superman's Origin to make him a government experiment instead of an Alien Refugee.
or changing Spiderman's Origin so he gets his powers from the Tesseract instead of the radioactive spider.
.
you can't just change the Origin Story of popular and iconic character... the fans will revolt and you WILL lose money at the box office.
(just saying).

That and all the stupid explanations for everything, name, gun, etc.
Some of it would have been okay to tell the story about, if done in a good way.
 
Joined
Jan 22, 2017
Messages
1,155
Reaction score
49
Origin stories get changed all the time.
One of the origin stories that is constantly chaned within the one run of a comic is Captain America. Sometimes he drinks a potion...sometimes he is injected with a serum...so on so forth. It annoyed me as a kid, still kind of bugs me as an adult. We never got to see past the inital story offered up for Solo, so these things could still happen. Maybe not in the order or manor we think they did. Legends tend to get more robust along the way and I think thats how they would explain it.
 
Top