DT Darth Vader 12 back "C" style question...

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Hi
Is there someone who can provide a picture of a 12 back style "C" card with this kind of sealed bubble??
In this case, the bubble was sealed with a heat-matrix bigger than the bubble...
The result is that the bubble is only sealed by the extreme edge.
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Darth Vader figure is prefered but any 12 back caracters are welcome.

Thank you,
GK

[ 06-04-2003, 06:07 AM: Message edited by: Gatekeeper ]
 
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I don't know if this will help, but it's the best I can do. The Leia bubble definitely looks like it has less actual surface area glued down than the other two.

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Vader 12A
C-3PO 12B
Leia 12C

P.S. You don't have to offer anything to get help on this forum. I (and I believe everyone else) are glad to help out fellow collectors when/if we can. It's fun,
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photoshopping pics is the closest thing to "playing" with a carded figure that I can do.
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[ 06-03-2003, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: jedicecil ]
 
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Originally posted by jedicecil:
I don't know if this will help, but it's the best I can do. The Leia bubble definitely looks like it has less actual surface area glued down than the other two.

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Vader 12A
C-3PO 12B
Leia 12C

P.S. You don't have to offer anything to get help on this forum. I (and I believe everyone else) are glad to help out fellow collectors when/if we can. It's fun,
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photoshopping pics is the closest thing to "playing" with a carded figure that I can do.
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<font size="2" face="arial">Thank you Jedicecil, your Leia seems to be sealed the same way...
It appears that those kind of sealing were used on "C" style cards.

Do someone else have a Darth Vader with the same kind of sealed bubble???
Please, HELP....

GK

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Thank you Tom (CloudCity Collectible) for you highlights...

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GK

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That's a crackin' piece Gatekeeper...Yours?

Are the AFA refusing to grade it because of the seal??? I've seen many a seal like that of cards that I KNOW are not re-seals.

Just my 0.047...

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Originally posted by ReValveiT™:
That's a crackin' piece Gatekeeper...Yours?

Are the AFA refusing to grade it because of the seal??? I've seen many a seal like that of cards that I KNOW are not re-seals.

Just my 0.047...

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<font size="2" face="arial">Well, it's almost mine... The sale is pending because AFA founds microscopic tears and micoscopic particles residue inside the bubble...
This may be due to age or other factors but not reseal job. AFA just says it's better not to grade it and wait a bit more time before sending again to them.
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Originally posted by Peter Mittag:
Best way to find out is AFA...
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<font size="2" face="arial">To find out what???
They are unable to tell if it is a real or a fake...
They can NOT prove the bubble was resealed.
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="arial">Originally posted by Peter Mittag:
Best way to find out is AFA...
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<font size="2" face="arial">To find out what???
They are unable to tell if it is a real or a fake...
They can NOT prove the bubble was resealed.
GK
</font>[/QUOTE]<font size="2" face="arial">Then I hope they(AFA) are not calling themselves Professional Toy Graders...
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="arial">Originally posted by Peter Mittag:
Best way to find out is AFA...
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<font size="2" face="arial">To find out what???
They are unable to tell if it is a real or a fake...
They can NOT prove the bubble was resealed.
GK
</font>[/QUOTE]<font size="2" face="arial">Ok - I understand.
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Hi. I felt I need to comment on this one. As a few people on these forums know, I have been asked to look at several rare and high profile figures since the beginning of AFA, and while a few members of the forum may question their 'authority' in this area, I believe even less would question mine. The figures I have been asked to look at included the Meccano VC Jawa refused a few years ago up to telescoping figures refused recently. I have not looked at all by any means, but have been asked for my opinion on several occasions when findings were inconclusive under heavy scrutiny (even when AFA was in Michigan and they had to be shipped to me for a 2nd opinion). I looked at this Vader as well and while I believe that it may very well be real, I shared the opinion that authenticity could not be confirmed due to abnormalities under the bubble seal. I looked at this under a high powered microscope and while I think it may be authentic, certain things stood out. I don't believe you have to conclusively prove a reseal to refuse to authenticate a figure. You just have to have legitimate doubts about authenticity based on heavy scrutiny and knowledge of the subject. For example, the batch of fake Meccano VC Jawas varied in how good the reseal job was. Some were only 'good' where you could find the points of incision upon close inspection. Others were so perfect, you had to rely on small clues and couldn't have been 100% sure they were fake if you didn't know they were made by the same source (NOTE: This type of reseal technique is only a danger when buying telescoping figures, VC Jawas, or something like a small head Han on ESB). If someone buys a figure authenticated by Cloud City or graded by AFA, they would want to be as sure of authenticity as possible. Therefore, not grading a questionable figure is a very acceptable business practice because you have people shelling out huge amounts of money based on your opinion. Should it be the other way around? Prove conclusively that it is a fake or grade it. Many things can never be proved one way or the other. I doubt people would feel comfortable buying items authenticated or graded using this practice.

My 2 cents.

Tom
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Hi,

To respond to all the e-mails i received, i would say:

I understand that the fact that AFA didn't grade my item will handicap seriously the final value of this figure. I tried to be as clear and complete as possible because there's nothing to hide and it's for me the only way to lead honestly this auction.
With this, i had to low the reserve. A real gift, but enought to cover my spend.
Again, i would never sent the figure to AFA if i had a bit of doubt about it's authenticity.
I will provide as much as possible documentation to the winner attesting of its authenticity and the possibility of a full refund if the winner can provide me a bit of proof of tampering, faking or lifting.
Finally, the winner of this auction will be, against all though, the lucky owner of one of the rarest variation ever made and in an incredible prestine condition.
Hope that help,
Thank you,
GK
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ps : i would like to thank Tom Derby from Cloud City Collectbles for all the help he gave me witht AFA.

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Gatekeeper (Carlos) Flakes Out on Deal.

Gatekeeper said:
I will provide as much as possible documentation to the winner attesting of its authenticity ... GK

Unfortunately, I've been left no alternative other than to air this publicly to let the community know how Carlos handles a high dollar transaction and the follow-up you can expect to receive (or not). I have been waiting nearly 3 months for the previously mentioned documentation to arrive for this piece. I paid Carlos in mid-January and have yet to get the paperwork trail that is so important to this Vader. He told me that he sent the documentation a couple of days after he sent the Vader but has not answered any emails except for one since he received the money (big surprise there) nor has he provided ANY proof that he did in fact send me the paperwork. Why it wasn't packed with the Vader is beyond my comprehension. Sorry, I had to air this here, but I have gotten ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE emailing Carlos.

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Re: Gatekeeper (Carlos) Flakes Out on Deal.

<font color="red"> I highly caution anybody from dealing with Carlos. He obviously doesn't know how to keep his word or complete a transaction ethically.
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