Dial of Destiny Spoiler Discussion Thread!

[Warokdavis]

If you scroll up to see what this person wrote to me, my response makes a lot more sense.

Difference being, i feel bad for you not getting to enjoy it like a lot of us did. I loved and am really glad it got made and that they told this story. It’s awesome to have this performance from Harrison.
You feel bad for me because i somehow don’t despise a character/actor.

 

[seroquel]

I don't really "feel bad" about that. I was just making a snarky retort in the spirit that I understood your remark to be.

It sounded like you were being condescending. "Oh...I feel bad for people like you."

If you were being genuine, that changes everything. I understand your sentiment and I even agree with it. I DO wish I could have enjoyed the movie! I don't go into any movie hoping to hate it, hoping it sucks, hoping to "enjoy" its failure. I would have loved it if Lucasfilm had made a really great fifth (and fourth) Indiana Jones movie.

Unfortunately, I thought the movie was truly awful. It was ugly in both content and presentation, and truly mean-spirited. There was no sense of fun whatsoever, just a dour and unpleasant misrepresentation about everything I loved about the original three films. It was as cold, lifeless, and sterile a product as any of the other Disney Lucasfilm movies, but for me there was an added sense of unnecessary hostility added to it.

I'll never be able to fathom why anyone would actually enjoy that miserable excuse for a film, but if you honestly liked it, then I am honestly happy for you, and I hope you continue to enjoy it all the times you rewatch it. I choose to never revisit it again and hopefully in time I'll forget it exists completely.

 

[SpectreOne]

If you scroll up to see what this person wrote to me, my response makes a lot more sense.

Does your response make a lot of sense, or do you just think that your response makes a lot of sense?

 

[keknivek]

I'll just say that I felt this movie had the heart of an Indiana Jones movie for the majority of the movie. The action was frenetic and slightly outlandish... but not flying fridge outlandish. Time travel is always an issue in movies... yet it keeps getting used as a story plot point for some reason. I guess if you want to hate on things then it's pretty easy and I'm not going to change anyone's mind.

I saw a comparison to Hamill as Luke in The Last Jedi and Ford in this movie and that's just ridiculous. Luke from ROTJ to TLJ was a different character. Ford from KotCS to DoD was a fairly natural progression. The idea that Luke Skywalker would quit because he had a close personal student go bad was insane. Indiana Jones losing his son in war was a fairly understandable situation. People and families have broken due to this. The fact that he rose to the challenge yet again when it was presented to him is what heroes do.

Ford is old. I think they did as well as could be expected to make it seem like he was doing all those stunts.

 

[DarthMickeyMoose]

Does your response make a lot of sense, or do you just think that your response makes a lot of sense?

Do you really want to keep this going after a dozen post were removed yesterday? If you do that's fine, I'm just taking a Poll.

 

[DarthMickeyMoose]

I'll just say that I felt this movie had the heart of an Indiana Jones movie for the majority of the movie. The action was frenetic and slightly outlandish... but not flying fridge outlandish. Time travel is always an issue in movies... yet it keeps getting used as a story plot point for some reason. I guess if you want to hate on things then it's pretty easy and I'm not going to change anyone's mind.

I saw a comparison to Hamill as Luke in The Last Jedi and Ford in this movie and that's just ridiculous. Luke from ROTJ to TLJ was a different character. Ford from KotCS to DoD was a fairly natural progression. The idea that Luke Skywalker would quit because he had a close personal student go bad was insane. Indiana Jones losing his son in war was a fairly understandable situation. People and families have broken due to this. The fact that he rose to the challenge yet again when it was presented to him is what heroes do.

Ford is old. I think they did as well as could be expected to make it seem like he was doing all those stunts.

It's not a big deal that people don't like the movie. It's really no different than someone liking a particular kind of music and or a music group someone else hates. It's just personal taste.
Like I said earlier, I will be happy to post how I think the movie is an abomination at a later date after the movie leaves the theater.

The comparison I wrote a short note in was about Han not Luke. In both movies (Han in sequel and DOD) they tore down the Hero for no other reason than to sell tickets to really bad movies. Better both characters were left alone. Han in Return of the Jedi and Indy in the Last crusade.

 

[SpectreOne]

Do you really want to keep this going?

Relax. It was a joke.

Some in here really need to (re-?)learn how to unclench about this entertainment-fluffstuff. The readiness to fight each other for differing opinions about stuff that really doesn't matter at the end of the day is... disappointing. You are all better than this.

 

[lister]

Some in here really need to (re-?)learn how to unclench about this entertainment-fullstuff. The readiness to fight each other for differing opinions about stuff that really doesn't matter at the end of the day is... disappointing. You are all better than this.

Just to clarify, as someone who was knee-deep in that **** show yesterday, it was not about differing opinions on a movie. I personally would not have gotten that heated if that's all it was.

 

[JediDelight]

I’m glad people are still passionate about the Indiana Jones character and the movies - past, present, and future.

 

[The_Zayne]

For me Indana Jones movies are like pizza; just shove it in my mouth

 

[MARK2D2]

I liked it. Was it perfect? No. But then there hasn’t been a perfect Indy film since Raiders. I liked A LOT about this movie. And I also liked that when I walked out of the El Capitan in Hollywood to see some Indiana Jones relics on display… I was very pleasantly surprised to find this…. Seeing the Ark after all this time was kinda wild. Not gonna lie.

I do think that — after reading through this thread — it‘s quite clear that somebody DIDN’T want to like this film and are so hilariously gleeful about it that they never would like this film even if it gave then everything they wanted. This hobby and this group of fans is increasingly just… well… unpleasant. To put it both mildly and politely.

 

[TK_171]

Finally got some holiday time off work so went to see this for the second time yesterday. Still thoroughly enjoyed it! Been doing some reading on the real 'Antikythera' device and its fascinating stuff

 

[JediDelight]

Finally got some holiday time off work so went to see this for the second time yesterday. Still thoroughly enjoyed it! Been doing some reading on the real 'Antikythera' device and its fascinating stuff

What sort of info did you turn up?

 

[TK_171]

What sort of info did you turn up?

Man there is so much and to this day it seems its still a source of much controversy and confusion among experts, but again, from the initial discovery in a shipwreck in 1900 to the gradual reveal of its inner workings and potential use, its fascinating stuff. Very much worth a Google search for those curious..

 

[JediDelight]

Thanks for the info @TK_171

I’ll have to look into it more! You’ve peaked my interest.

I only knew it’s a popular ancient aliens type subject. Is it true it’s a very sophisticated bit of clock work or gearing which exists much earlier than was thought possible

I had heard a bit about the battle of Syracuse and the supposed super weapons used in defense of the city. I enjoyed the way those devices were depicted in the background without being her focus of attention. The harpoons, ships catching fire, mirrors being aimed, etc.

 

[Lance_Quazar]

Thanks for the info @TK_171

I’ll have to look into it more! You’ve peaked my interest.

I only knew it’s a popular ancient aliens type subject. Is it true it’s a very sophisticated bit of clock work or gearing which exists much earlier than was thought possible

I had heard a bit about the battle of Syracuse and the supposed super weapons used in defense of the city. I enjoyed the way those devices were depicted in the background without being her focus of attention. The harpoons, ships catching fire, mirrors being aimed, etc.

I did think it was a bit odd that he talked about the mirrors in the opening and we see them present in the battle, but we don't see them doing anything.

So did they work or what...? A small missed opportunity, I think.

 

[Lance_Quazar]

I liked it. Was it perfect? No. But then there hasn’t been a perfect Indy film since Raiders. I liked A LOT about this movie. And I also liked that when I walked out of the El Capitan in Hollywood to see some Indiana Jones relics on display… I was very pleasantly surprised to find this…. Seeing the Ark after all this time was kinda wild. Not gonna lie.

I do think that — after reading through this thread — it‘s quite clear that somebody DIDN’T want to like this film and are so hilariously gleeful about it that they never would like this film even if it gave then everything they wanted. This hobby and this group of fans is increasingly just… well… unpleasant. To put it both mildly and politely.

So cool! I should try to get to the El Cap before it's too late, but I worry I might have missed the window.

 

[JediDelight]

I did think it was a bit odd that he talked about the mirrors in the opening and we see them present in the battle, but we don't see them doing anything.

So did they work or what...? A small missed opportunity, I think.

Yes they are shown working on screen but it’s subtle. It’s not like laser beams and the results are not instantaneous. Roman ships are shown combusting and also burning in the background. The mirror weapons on the city walls are shown being aimed and coordinated together against single targets.

The mirrors work slowly enough I’m not sure we see the cause and effect in the same shot.

 

[Lance_Quazar]

Yes they are shown working on screen but it’s subtle. It’s not like laser beams and the results are not instantaneous. Roman ships are shown combusting and also burning in the background. The mirror weapons on the city walls are shown being aimed and coordinated together against single targets.

The mirrors work slowly enough I’m not sure we see the cause and effect in the same shot.

Definitely for the best they weren't depicted as laser beams, but connecting the dots would have helped, I think. Right now, it seems very vague to me.

 

[JediDelight]

Definitely for the best they weren't depicted as laser beams, but connecting the dots would have helped, I think. Right now, it seems very vague to me.

It all gets pulled together with repeat viewings.

 

[TK_171]

Thanks for the info @TK_171

I’ll have to look into it more! You’ve peaked my interest.

I only knew it’s a popular ancient aliens type subject. Is it true it’s a very sophisticated bit of clock work or gearing which exists much earlier than was thought possible

I had heard a bit about the battle of Syracuse and the supposed super weapons used in defense of the city. I enjoyed the way those devices were depicted in the background without being her focus of attention. The harpoons, ships catching fire, mirrors being aimed, etc.

Great article here with an updated impression of what researchers believe the original device would have looked like
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ical-calculation-machine-reveals-new-secrets/

 

[JediDelight]

Great article here with an updated impression of what researchers believe the original device would have looked like
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ical-calculation-machine-reveals-new-secrets/

Thank you! What a fascinating read

The Antikythera even has instructions etched on it making its purpose clear.

It’s a model of the solar system - a sort of clock or gear box with different dials that accurately show the positions of the planets, moon, and sun in relation to each other over time. It shows phases of the the moon and eclipses. It accounts of elliptical orbits and movement of the planets relative to the Earth when they may appear to stop moving and change direction.

It’s the size of book at 13.4 in × 7.1 in × 3.5 in.

 

[Lance_Quazar]

Great article here with an updated impression of what researchers believe the original device would have looked like
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ical-calculation-machine-reveals-new-secrets/

thanks for sharing!

 

[Imrahil2001]

It was as cold, lifeless, and sterile a product as any of the other Disney Lucasfilm movies, but for me there was an added sense of unnecessary hostility added to it.

I get the sentiment here. Mostly the movie made me feel sad. The same way the sequels destroyed the OT characters, this kind of destroyed Indy and his legacy. It's my least favorite of the films. I didn't hate it, but I felt like **** afterwards.

 

[JediDelight]

I don’t know if any of you still buy home video as physical media but what’s going on with Dial of Destiny?

Right now you can buy Indiana Jones and the Digital Download of Destiny but The Disc of Destiny hasn’t even been announced yet.

 

[SpectreOne]

This might be interesting for some. A 45 minute long dial of destiny making of (part 2 I believe) just went up on Youtube.

 

[IndyMike]

Looks like it's a section from the Digital Release extras.

 

[R1G4R3PO]

I think indy staying in the era he went to at end could've been cool if done right w/ respects to the character and franchise. He could've been reminiscing of his past (the actual future now)and thinking of RotLA scene when belloq said to him, maybe someday someone would dig you up IJ. Then IJ goes to sleep w/ hat over his eyes. Flash forward and you see hands digging in a grave and finding a preserved fedora and a skull
....IJ, then camera turns to the digger's face and it's...short round grown up. That could've been a cool IJ ending if filmed/written well.

 

[Masterfett]

Watched this on D+ last night, and while it wasn't horrible it also wasn't great. I mean there were some definite Indy themes but it lacked the "soul" that the first three had. The deaging wasn't as bad as some others are out there but it still didn't look/feel right at certain angles. I also feel it was way too long, cut out some of the needleless fuller and bring it down to 2hours would have done wonders for this movie.

IDK, I think what kind of bugged me is this trend to turn our childhood heroes into lesser beings. it's like why? Do the people writing stories now hate their life so much they want to ruin the enjoyment of others? Can't you simply write a great/good story with new characters you might like instead of trying to rewrite other people's characters? IJDGI...

I also don't get why you bring in Antonio Banderas to play a thirty-minute character who essentially does nothing, that felt like odd casting to me.
Ultimately, not a movie I need to add to the collection. Got all I needed from watching it once. I give kudos to Ford for trying one last time to give this character an entertaining send off, as well as Mangold for trying to repeat what he did for Logan for another aging hero.

 

[GNT]

Just watched it myself on D+ as I didn't get a chance to see it at theatres. I quite enjoyed the adventure, the actors and characters were decent enough and lots of homages to past films. A solid effort IMO.

 

[PrincessMandalore]

Just watched on Disney+ and really enjoyed it! I've never seen these movies before so I just now watched them all, the only thing I knew about them previously was from what I've encountered at the Disney Parks.

My ranking for this series would be:
Last Crusade
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Dial of Destiny
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Temple of Doom

The opening of DoD was awesome and the whole movie felt very adventurous, it was a fitting end for Indy imo. ToD is my least favorite since it felt pretty tonally different than the rest, confined to just one location mostly, and has several unsettling and gross scenes.

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[ClanVizsla]

Watched the "Indy and Harrison" documentary on Disney Plus tonight; while I was viewing it, my Dial of Destiny steelbook arrived from Best Buy. So I followed it up with the making-of doc on there. There's some overlap between the interviews, especially with Spielberg, so it might have been smarter to give a few days in between. But all in all a fun night of behind-the-scenes Indy stuff.

 

[yodashizzle]

Just watched DoD today. Still digesting, still processing, but there is a better overall feeling for me than with KotCS. The first scenes with the CG younger Ford were better than I expected, still not a fan of how much CG is used as a tool. Biggest problem was the issue with not matching his older man voice with the physical appearance of Indy. Most of the chase scenes used CG in a way that I find unappealing, that's nothing I don't expect in films today though. There's something about how using real actors/stuntmen like in Raiders with the truck scene that work wonderfully because as with so much in older movies, they actually had to do certain things. The artefact is weird, not as cool as the ark.....but....not as heinous to me as in Crystal Skull. I can accept the storyline for the most part. But there's definitely stuff that made me think about some of the decisions that the filmmakers made that fall into the category of "I'd have done that differently."

 

[Wtrailer]

Saw it in the theater when it was first released. For the most part I enjoyed it. Overall the franchise is a bit long in the tooth so there was really nothing new to add to the table with this one. It was never going to live up to the first two, those films are cinematic perfection. I thought it fit in well w/ the tone and style of Raiders especially since it was filmed on location. The story was pretty average though. Kind of a miracle that Harrison Ford was able to pull it off as well as he did.

 

[Daig]

I haven’t read any of the responses on the previous two pages, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but my biggest problem was that they “went there“ with actual time travel. I always thought Indy films were best when they hinted at the supernatural rather than went full on showing it. This film would be the equivalent of Indiana Jones actually visiting heaven in Raiders when the ark was opened… It’s just too much in my opinion

 

[yodashizzle]

I haven’t read any of the responses on the previous two pages, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but my biggest problem was that they “went there“ with actual time travel. I always thought Indy films were best when they hinted at the supernatural rather than went full on showing it. This film would be the equivalent of Indiana Jones actually visiting heaven in Raiders when the ark was opened… It’s just too much in my opinion

Yeah, having given some more thought, that's kind of the crux of my issue too. The last half hour of DoD where the planes are whizzing with the battle below after having flown into the magical mystical time portal clouds..............I can't take it too serious. Sure there's stuff in all the movies that require a suspension of disbelief, the angel of death flies around in Raiders and people's head explode and melt, dude's had his heart ripped out by Mola Ram and is still alive, some knight lives into his hundreds (wouldn't he be incredibly bored in that ******* cave for hundreds of years surrounded by cups and chalices with no TV?!?!?!?!?...... no internet?!??!?......no Rebelscum?!?!?!?) ....holy water heals the bullet wound in 007.....but.......crystal space ghost-coast-to-coast?!?!?!?.....time travel back to visit Archemedes?!?!?!?...Teddy landing that damned plane on such rocky ground?!?!.....some things can be supernatural and still don't bother me. Some stuff is a bridge too far. My logic and analytic parts of my brain are activated too strongly. I still enjoyed elements of DoD but overall I'm going to have to place it here on my Indy list...
1. Raiders
2. Last Crusade
3.Temple of Doom
4. Dial of Destiny
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5.Crystal Skull

 

[Daig]

I like how you have Crystal Skull placed at number seven out of five films, even though it’s numbered with a five . Yeah, I think the filmmakers worry that audiences would be underwhelmed if they didn’t go beyond what they’ve done in the past. Audiences, though, are far more sophisticated at being able to separate what they’ve seen in big spectacle movies from simpler, limited in scope stories. I mean, the fourth film actually shows an inter-dimensional spaceship, and the fifth film has them travel thousands of years in the past! Both of those examples, I think, are FAR more than seeing ghosts or light shows, or even healing effects from a holy artifact.

 

[yodashizzle]

I like how you have Crystal Skull placed at number seven out of five films, even though it’s numbered with a five .

I'm leaving room for two more possible Indy films that could occupy the fifth and sixth slots. Even though we've been told this is it, that DOD is the last Indy film, I sorta don't believe that.

Yeah, I think the filmmakers worry that audiences would be underwhelmed if they didn’t go beyond what they’ve done in the past. Audiences, though, are far more sophisticated at being able to separate what they’ve seen in big spectacle movies from simpler, limited in scope stories. I mean, the fourth film actually shows an inter-dimensional spaceship, and the fifth film has them travel thousands of years in the past!

The aforementioned fifth-slot movie will deal with Indy being revealed as having a high midichlorian count and a force user, which in his case will mean he can close his eyes, concentrate and move objects while on archaeological digs. The sixth-slot release will retcon Indy as having rockets in his thighs (he could fly all along!!) and the descendant of Archemedes who will be revealed to be Palpatine. They'll both be ranked higher than Crystal Skull which will forever retain the number seven slot. When I want to see flying monkeys, I'll watch Wizard of Oz.