- Apr 13, 2006
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Who’s seen the trailer? Thoughts?
I agree. I've generally enjoyed the X-Men movies for the most part but if you look at the franchise as a whole, it's VERY repetitive. And it's only ever really been concerned with Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto, and once Jennifer Lawrence started playing her, Mystique. Most of the other characters have been treated pretty poorly.I also have to say that I have enjoyed the X-men films, but most of them just seem to come out lacking. They've given us some truly great moments like Nightcrawler in the White House, but then slaughter some characters like Storm or Phoenix.
This trailer was 2 minutes of talking and showing us all the same characters we've seen. There's the mansion, there's cerebro, there's angsty Magneto, there's bald Xavier...
I would give a ZERO percent chance of any of this making it to the MCU as well. I'm currently hoping New Mutants is good and that Venom is good and that perhaps those might stand a chance of being MCU tie ins. (but highly doubt those as well... Sony appears interested in making random offshoot movies)
I'm thinking Marvel starts peppering in a few mutants and doesn't even really acknowledge the X-men as a "Team" or "School" at first. The Avengers worked as a loose collective. Having an official TEAM like the X-men will change the dynamic of the universe too much.I agree. I've generally enjoyed the X-Men movies for the most part but if you look at the franchise as a whole, it's VERY repetitive. And it's only ever really been concerned with Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto, and once Jennifer Lawrence started playing her, Mystique. Most of the other characters have been treated pretty poorly.
And yeah, there is NO way the MCU has spent a decade building a complex but coherent shared universe just to bog it down with the messy Fox X-Men continuity.
In their defense, they probably don't have the chops to do what MCU is doing and have learned from DC as well as their own mistakes. That this way is just easier.Sony appears interested in making random offshoot movies)
I didn't quote the whole post for time constraints. Nice sum up though, and we seem to have the same opinion about the films. Give or take.I have a love/hate relationship with the X-Men films.
The original X-Men films have some absolutely incredible films, it's just that they also have some dog awful ones too. They will always hold a fond place in my heart though. It'll be particularly difficult for me to let go of Patrick Stewart as Xavier. To be honest, if there were to be one carry-over from the old franchise into a new reboot, he'd be my choice. Everyone always made jokes about him being Xavier if they ever did X-Men, then it was announced they were doing it and he WAS cast and the reaction was essentially "Well duh! Of course he is!"I didn't quote the whole post for time constraints. Nice sum up though, and we seem to have the same opinion about the films. Give or take.
TBH, it probably doesn't matter if this is good or not. Regardless of hat happens, I feel it's the last. And dear lord I hope so. lol
I can't wait for someone with competence to take control over this Franchise.
I'll address the last thing first. Wolverine needs to be a short stocky feral character. Jackman was great, but we don't need Jackman Wolverine 2.0 we need MCU Wolverine. I think the best case scenario would be to introduce Wolverine as part of Alpha Flight. I know that's not how things went in comics, but a real world sort of grounding in something like Weapon X or Department H would still be best for him.But with a reboot comes certain challenges.
The first challenge would be...who do they put on the team? Bryan Singer did a sort of amalgam of the original team and the Giant-Sized team for his first film. I think you're kind of shoo-horned into not doing it entirely comic accurate. If you don't include Wolverine in the first film, people will ask "Where's Wolverine?" The fact is, many of the most popular character were not on the original team. This is why I kind of always defended Singer for sort of making his own canon instead of closely following the comics. With X-Men, I don't think you really can, all you can do it try to nail the caricatures right and pay homage to certain stories. One thing I think should be a focus though is it's the X-Men...not Wolverine and the X-Men.
The second is how to introduce mutants into the MCU. Do you say they were always there and just in hiding? If that's some, is it even possible they'd be so good at hiding they even hid from SHIELD? Do you concoct some reason for their development like, I don't know, when the Chitari invaded some spore or whatever also came through the portal and effected the DNA of certain humans? How will it be done? I really don't know.
Then there's casting. Will casual non-comic readers even accept, say, a non-Hugh Jackman Wolverine? Heaven forbid he be a tiny hairy dude.
I forgot about Vision flying around somehow.Actually, since Mutants were always feared anyways, the X-Men could still be in hiding. Thus not well know to the world, though I'm sure they were on Shield's radar at some level. They could have just been doing stealth missions prior to the Fox buyout.
Wolverine? I don't think the casting need to be 100% accurate to that ferrel look in he comics, otherwise just animate a Wolverine via CGI like Rocket. :wtf:
Kidding aside short and stocky is fine, but lets not get too carried away here. They're gonna be limited to who casts well.
Really that is something MCU has lacked until now, a Superman type character. Until Vision came along, no one could fly without assistance of equipment.
The Hulk was the strongest, and each character had a specific skill set. Captain Marvel will be the first one who has multiple powers/abilities. And I'm curious to see how strong they've made her in the MCU.
But there's not just one "plate." It's not as if there's one group of writers, producers, and directors working on all of the movies at the same time. Each project has its own team.Perhaps it's best it goes back to Marvel, even though I think they have enough on their plate with so many other characters.
I think so too. End of the day, it's been done...and more casual movie goers don't know the comic version, so they associate Dark Phoenix with Last Stand...which was NOT beloved. Then toss in it's the last for the entire franchise, getting rebooted, was regularly pushed back (always a red flag), and the previous installment, Apocalypse, was also not beloved...Perhaps it's because everyone has seen the Phoenix part on screen before and knows this is the final film before it gets rebooted.
Jackman will definitely be a tough act to follow. Stewart and McKellen as well, but since other actors have already been playing those characters, it will seem less jarring when they're recast. But I don't think Marvel is in any rush to bring the X-Men into the MCU, and that's smart. A little breathing room is a good thing. And that really has nothing to do Dark Phoenix's performance. Had it been a huge success, it would still be good idea to wait a few years.I think the issue with MCU X-Men isn't so much that they can't handle it, it's more just when is the appropriate time. That being because X-Men is likely the most critically successful non-MCU film property Marvel has had. It's also (outside of Blade) the oldest if you exclude the 80's and 90's cornball cheap attempts. People did and do like a lot of these movies. Hugh Jackman became iconic as Wolverine and (correct me if wrong) but I believe he is the longest running actor to play one individual superhero on film. Nine times! I think only RDJ ties for Iron Man. Patrick Stewart as Xavier and Ian McKellen as Magneto also became fairly synonymous with the characters. And while it absolutely did produce some stinkers, it also was begun in a very different and more experimental and testing the water time when this sort of movie didn't come out four or five times a year. Some of them paved the way, really, for the MCU. Perhaps in a more simplistic and forward way, but that's how it was for a long time. I'll never subscribe to the cliche of "The only good Marvel films are MCU!" For my money, Days of Future Past, First Class, Logan, X2, and even (though dated) the original X-Men are anywhere from extremely fun to (in some cases) profound, beautiful, and incredible movies. Some I'd even say are better than some MCU installments.
I kind of got the feeling that when the MCU eventually started using X-Men characters, that they would start with Wolverine. For obvious reasons. And that they wouldn't do an actual X-Men team , but rather them join other teams in the MCU.And when the X-Men do appear in the MCU, I would like to see the original team first. Then introduce characters like Wolverine and Storm down the road and have them join the team in the sequel.
I think there will definitely be a Wolverine solo movie, probably several. The first could come before or after the first X-Men movie. I would prefer after. But I can pretty much guarantee there will be X-Men team movies. Why wouldn't there be?I kind of got the feeling that when the MCU eventually started using X-Men characters, that they would start with Wolverine. For obvious reasons. And that they wouldn't do an actual X-Men team , but rather them join other teams in the MCU.
Disney didn't buy Fox so they could keep the X-Men separate from the rest of the MCU. They're trying to expand their fictional universe, not create another one to exist alongside it. The X-Men might occupy their own corner of the MCU, similar to how the Guardians do, but Marvel/Disney isn't going to pass up the opportunity to have the X-Men interact with the rest of the characters in the MCU.Though even if they do actual X-Men films, I wonder if they would keep the shared universe feel. Or kind of have them off in their own. Having both Avengers and X-Men going would be a big challenge if there were still that connected tissue. And then how would those two teams interact, either directly or indirectly.
This was my worry when they acquired Fox. The MCU is a vast entity already, with trying to incorporate the many characters with relatively separate plots into a single story leading to Thanos.
Noe that Universe just got bigger with all the X-Men characters. If they keep everything connected like before, it could get very busy.
We didn't "just" have Civil War. That was three years and ten movies ago. By the time the X-Men appear in the MCU, several more years will have passed since Civil War. So I don't see that as a problem. I'm not advocating an Avengers vs. X-Men story necessarily, but Civil War will not be a factor one way or the other at that point.The one thing about X-Men coming into the fold late, could wind up leading to the Avengers vs. X-Men story line. Which personally I'm against. never care for the Hero vs. Hero stuff. Plus we just had Civil War. Otherwise how else do you explain Mutants sudden appearance, at least without some type of conflict. X-Men after all is about the hatred of something different.
Yes, the D'Bari were in the comics, and specifically during the Dark Phoenix storyline. But they were not shapeshifting aggressors like the Skrulls, they were a race (and planet) destroyed by specifically the Jean Grey Dark Phoenix (unlike in the film). The Shi'ar did become the aggressors after this incident though!I heard the villains were supposed to be Skrulls and Captain Marvel beat them to it so they modified it. Were those even a real alien race in the Marvel universe or something newly made up for this? Why not just use the Shi'ar?
I think everyone understands that when a superhero team appears on screen for the first time it won't necessarily be the original team from the comics. And I think people generally get the various reasons why certain characters are removed and others are slotted in.See an issue with a long lasting team like Justice League, Avengers, or X-Men is...you almost can't go by how the comic book chronology went. I understood why Storm and Wolverine were put into the first X-Men film despite it not being comic accurate. The fact is that, at the end of the day, two factors come into play in choosing your film iteration of a team. 1. The original comic line-up might NOT be the most famous and popular. 2. Diversity is a huge deal in film today.
The Avengers only had three of the original members. No technically Cap does not count. He's the Bill Murry to SNL equivalent. He's always considered an original because he was very early on...but technically he's not. The Justice League added Batman and Superman immediately because of simple recognizably, they added Cyborg for diversity. If you didn't have Captain America on original Avengers line-up, Wolverine on the original X-Men line up, and Batman and Superman in the original JLA line up for these films, the masses would says "Where the heck ARE they?" While no, technically they weren't part of the beginnings, they all became utterly synonymous with these brands. So I mean...I get it. That type of alteration and adaptation never really bothered me.
So I don't think that they'd HAVE to start out with only Jean, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Cyclops. More than half the planet seems to think Wolverine was created by Stan Lee and was an original member, mistaken as they are it just wouldn't fly well with audiences to not include him. Whether we dislike it or not. If you went chronologically, you could even argue that it would take multiple X-Men movies to even GET to Wolverine.
If you were going to do something more chronologically accurate, aim it more toward a niche audience like an animated series. I'd eat that up in a heart-beat. But I just don't think it works for masses.
You have to look at it from Marvel/Disney's perspective. They bought the Fox characters so they can do them their way, not so they can continue someone else's work. "Good stuff," aside from being totally subjective, is ultimately irrelevant. It's not really about the quality of the existing material. It's about Marvel having the freedom to do what they want without all the baggage of 12 other movies.That's on thing I'd like definite confirmation on after the Fox buyout, their plans on the future of some of those rumored movies. Such as X-Force that was supposed to come after Deadpool 2, etc. I was kind of really looking forward to seeing a stand alone X-23, as I thought she did a pretty good job in the role. Would be nice if they continued some of the good stuff that was started.
I also would like to see Polaris and Havok, though in 90's X-Factor with Multiple Man and Strong Guy.
I definitely feel like seeing a few X-Men movies without Wolverine to start, he was essentially the focus in the first three movies. While i like the character well enough I feel he gets over used.
They also never really did Rogue justice. Now that Carol Danvers and her share the same universe, she has the chance to steal her powers. Finally.
The Shi'ar/StarJammers would definitely be cool to see on the big screen. Now that Marvel/Dis has the rights back, maybe they can start doing the characters justice. I was really disappointed with their take on Apocalypse, and glad they never got the chance to ruin Sinister.