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That's incorrect. If someone became unemployed as a result of this mess, they are not forced to show up to work if their business reopened & can continue to receive unemployment benefits, no penalty.
many states are already looking to change that...
 
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I’m pretty sure I will be dead in a year, tops. I despise my career. And everything is now a total bust. More — I‘ve forever lost what little faith I once had in mankind.
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The garbage heap that now makes up American politics is pathetic. Yep — It’s a real pity, a real tragedy that COVID-19 didn’t simply wipe out every politician in DC. Every single damn one. Nobody would be missed by me. Not a single one.
I hear ya, but I suspect it's always been that way. The only difference now is that every politician's true colors are on full display as a result from this mess. They don't care about us (the people). But yes, the majority of politicians are corrupt. How is it that the average salary of a Congressman is $174,000 per year, yet, so many are millionaires? We pretty much live in an oligarchy. It's such a shame that our country is so divided, which is deliberate. Left or right, democrat or republican, etc. United, imagine what changes the people of this country could accomplish? It's only possible once people realize they are ALL being played.
 
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The states should break apart. This UNITED thing isn’t just a bust — it’s b.s.
 
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I’m pretty sure I will be dead in a year, tops. I despise my career. And everything is now a total bust. More — I‘ve forever lost what little faith I once had in mankind. The garbage heap that now makes up American politics is pathetic. Yep — It’s a real pity, a real tragedy that COVID-19 didn’t simply wipe out every politician in DC. Every single damn one. Nobody would be missed by me. Not a single one.

I'd miss you. I've always enjoyed your passion for collecting. Honestly, who cares if people have different ideas about things. No two people think alike on everything. At some point in life you just have to let go and decide that you aren't responsible for the world and just live the life that you want to and if you need to make changes to your life, do so where necessary. Blow off steam when you need to. Don't let the world beat you. Who cares what other people think! Don't let anyone else have control over your happiness.

Take care.
 
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I'd miss you. I've always enjoyed your passion for collecting. Honestly, who cares if people have different ideas about things. No two people think alike on everything. At some point in life you just have to let go and decide that you aren't responsible for the world and just live the life that you want to and if you need to make changes to your life, do so where necessary. Blow off steam when you need to. Don't let the world beat you. Who cares what other people think! Don't let anyone else have control over your happiness.

Take care.
Letting anyone ruin your day is like them handing you a 20 pound sack of poop. Sure you can carry it all day, and it will make your back hurt and your clothes smell. But you ultimately had the choice of not taking the sack in the first place. Let them carry their own poop. Don't take the sack.
And just because someone books you a guilt trip does not mean you have to get on the plane. Two things a therapist taught me that makes me a happier person every day.
Believe me. This Covid thing has taken too much out of me as it is. I've lost family and friends, and have watched everyone else suffer. Never let each other feel bad enough to do something regrettable. Even if it's one person.
 
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Texas is going to spike like hell In the coming weeks. Just wait. Yesterday was their deadliest day. So Today — they open. Yee-haw. Yippy Covid19-eye-ay, muthaf$%kers. Sigh... The sheer stupidity on display this week is profoundly depressing. So much needless and death. Whatever. You get what you elect. A lesson many Red States are going to learn the hard way. Oh well.
yeah but its the blue states with all the problems and the most deaths. I'll happily remain in a red state.

And before you post about Florida, it was just reported over half the deaths in Florida are from people who do not live there and have residents in other States with most being New York.

Anyway you stay inside as long as it takes before you feel safe enough to come out again. Good Luck.
 
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A lot of people advocating opening up have been using the argument that the flu has killed/kills more than covid-19. Well that's not true now. From Oct-April the highest estimate of flu deaths is 62K. COVID-19 has now killed almost 70K from Feb-May. It's much deadlier and more contagious than the flu. And if there is an outbreak that coincidces with flu season this fall, we will have big problems.


 

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I'm not against reopening, I'm just saying you still need to take the appropriate precautions. It's not going to be "normal" for a while and there could be stay at home again in the fall. Flu season will happen and flu and covid at the same time could be a problem.
 
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I think we're at the point where we need to stop thinking we somehow have to choose between the economy and peoples' lives. As if our only options are staying locked down indefinitely or going back to normal overnight. We need a reasonable third option.

We also have to stop treating Covid 19 like it's the only threat to our health we're facing. An economic crash would also be a giant health crisis. People are losing their jobs which means they'll likely lose their health care. If the shutdown goes on too long, people could start losing their houses and getting evicted from their apartments. You can't stay at home without a home. I feel like no one's really talking about this situation in these terms. No one's really addressing the impact an economic depression would have on our health.
 
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Here is something interesting, my husband works at a casino here in WA. state, when the virus was spreading and the business was still open, there was not a single case of victims at the main casino at all! no patrons or employees. the other business across the street ( casino owned)however, had one case, after the business closed due to the outbreak. There really haven't been any sick employees noted or patron news. Casinos are a hot bed for diseases, I also worked there.
 
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I think we're at the point where we need to stop thinking we somehow have to choose between the economy and peoples' lives. As if our only options are staying locked down indefinitely or going back to normal overnight. We need a reasonable third option.

We also have to stop treating Covid 19 like it's the only threat to our health we're facing. An economic crash would also be a giant health crisis. People are losing their jobs which means they'll likely lose their health care. If the shutdown goes on too long, people could start losing their houses and getting evicted from their apartments. You can't stay at home without a home. I feel like no one's really talking about this situation in these terms. No one's really addressing the impact an economic depression would have on our health.
All of this is very true, and I don't have a good solution/answer to this problem. Obviously, the economy is in the toilet right now and a lot of people are out of work. On top of that, those that had health insurance probably had it through their jobs. So, if they're out of work - no insurance. It's horrible enough to be out of a job - but to not have health insurance on top of that is truly horrific. Hell, without insurance I don't know how people can even get tested for COVID-19 - unless they pay for this out of their pocket.
 
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What might be the most interesting part of this conversation is that everyone is right AND everyone is wrong. Like Obi Wan... 'what is being said is true... from a certain point of view'.

I don't have to know anything to spread an opinion and I don't have any repercussions if my opinion is incorrect, intentionally wrong, or even dangerous. The media, whom we used to trust for our news, has betrayed us. When it comes to truth, your neighbors and acquaintances will betray you. Our government has betrayed us. AND YET.... we have been given a great gift! That gift is the ability to be a kind, generous, and sympathetic soul to those that are hurting or in despair. The secondary gift is your brain and the ability to search for your truth.

Don't let the media sour you to humanity. If there is no good news, make your own good news. Find a source for daily happiness even if it is just meditation in your house, a video chat with a friend, learn a new skill.

Don't allow social media to sell you falsehoods. Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots. A beautiful lie is just as harmful as a shameful truth.

Don't follow the pack. You have this delightful quality known as free will. Free will is an ability to gladly do what you must do. Free will doesn't mean doing whatever you want, it means have the freedom to do what is right. In this time, the right thing may not be what you want... but what is necessary for others.

I'm not going to get political, but Don't let your government dictate your sanity, your empathy, or your time. Spend your time taking care of yourself and others and if you are the one that needs that extra help, reach out. If you are in a place where you can reach out to someone now... perhaps they will surprise you when you need that hand. Perhaps not, but if you only do things for future gain then you'll never know the feeling of helping someone you know can never repay that kindness. You get to keep that with you forever.
 
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Here is a truth, the first country to open up and start business-trading without spreading infections. will become rich pretty fast , making up for losses.. greed runs the world, a sad thing. I hope that was not too political.
 
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Judy Anne Mikovits is an American anti-vaccination activist, conspiracy theorist, and former medical researcher. She has made discredited claims about vaccines, coronavirus, and chronic fatigue syndrome. Wikipedia

This is why we can't have nice things... or even go anywhere that nice things might be available. Is she a crackpot or is there an actual issue here? The media certainly won't help solve that.
 
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That Judy person is so obviously a blooming loon. It amazes me the b.s. some people will simply swallow. Pure malarkey. She has the most messed up back ground ever.
 
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Yes, lets drink some disinfectant to kill the scourge. I've been doing yard work and mowing here (WA. state) and I feel fine. sunshine and moving fresh air is medicine. I've never heard of that Judy person before.
 
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So I know this may be a bit personal, but I've never been super shy with sharing some of my person life stuff...and I just really need to vent.

So I've been seeing this girl now for close to two years. Head over heels. I legit have the wedding ring. Was going to propose in August.

I get this last night. Got dumped...because "We don't see each other as often anymore. I feel like you don't want to see me anymore. We never go out anymore. I feel like S**T." And that seemed so absurd to me that the only thing I could think to say was..."It's not that. Ah. You do know...there's a quarantine, right? Know what will make you feel like S**T even more? Covid." Yeah maybe there's a reason I'm not married, but I got a freaking point...right?

I know I could have perhaps handled the situation with more...delicacy. I could have said something like how of course I love her, miss her, and want to see her and do more with her. I'm just trying to be responsible here and yes, it sucks, but now is the time...perhaps more than ever...we need to stick together. Even if not physically. I mean I talk to her on a near if not DAILY basis. I shouldn't HAVE to say that. Hell I started writing a journal to her of me in my isolation time to give to her after (she KNEW about it!) with drawings, poetry, stupid little goofy cartoons, just how my day was and how much I was thinking of her. I got her a mothers day card in which I spilled how proud I was to know such a strong and incredible mother like her and how the way she is always there for and treats her children is one of the aspects I love most about her. But I was so blindsided and baffled by the illogical reasoning of her suddenly telling me it's over....due to this reasoning...I just couldn't even help it. I was a smart ***. But no, apparently I treat her like a freaking doormat and don't care at all.

I know people are going a bit mad. People are scared, in a panic, the works. I know. But I HONESTLY don't know what I did and feel like I just ....I don't know how to feel. I feel shocked. I feel hurt. I feel angry. I feel embarrassed. I feel used.

I'm a freaking wreck. It's been such a hard year for me. I think I may well...um....go away for a little. I think I need to get professional help. Because it's just too much now. My mom passing, my job lost, a freaking quarantine, and now this.
 
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That sucks dude. Give it a few days & talk to her once things have cooled down. As a married man I can tell you that what women complain about is rarely the issues that really are troubling them.

Figure out where you both stand, try to spend some time together.

If nothing else think about all the poor dumbasses that moved in together at the beginning of covid, they don’t yet know their married :)
 
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Yes, communication is very important! maturity and compassion on both sides. my husband and I are not afraid of this scourge going about. we were more afraid when we were in the military,stationed in S. Korea, close to the DMZ(a couple miles at least) not knowing if WW3 could start if people weren't careful! that's fear!
 
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So I know this may be a bit personal, but I've never been super shy with sharing some of my person life stuff...and I just really need to vent.
This place is therapy for me. I go to Star Wars whenever I need a little escape.

I am no therapist and I don't really know you at all, but I can tell you that marriage is hard. I've had a number of friends that had total drama while they were dating and then got married and now are either miserable or divorced. Like I said.... I don't know your situation, but vent away and know that you are not alone in female drama, nor in feeling crazy and isolated on this sinking ship which is 2020.

I got lucky with a wife that, while dramatic, can also be logical and self reflect and admit when she was out of line. <<I think she's spying on me :ROFLMAO: 😂 :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:😂
 
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MysterioMaxiumus, sorry to hear about your losses & your recent break-up. I myself have been through bad (and some good) break-ups in the past; I'm sure you'll get through this. I also am of the strong opinion that sometimes things happen for the best.

As someone who's never been married (but who has come close several times), I will also say that I'm glad none of these relationships worked out, because I would be worse off now (financially, physically, emotionally, etc.) if I had gotten married to any of these women. In one particular case, every day I get up in the morning I thank God (and I'm not even that religious) that I didn't get married to her - and, yes - I'm being 100% serious.

Not long ago, I briefly dated a nice divorced lady. In one of our first conversations, she was telling me how horrible & expensive her divorce had been, etc. I told her, "If I had ever been married, I know that I would have gotten divorced soon after". She laughingly responded, "So, you saved yourself the trouble!" And, I agreed. That definitely broke the ice ;)
 
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I met my wife when we were both about 12 years old; spent 4 years in the 'friend zone', and finally got together at age 16; married at age 21; we've been married for 30 years....

....so when people talk about relationships, I always say, I'm the wrong guy to ask -- I'm still working on my very first relationship. :p LOL
 
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I met my husband in the Army and we got married in Seoul S. Korea by the Mayor of Seoul and the U.S. Embassy,(we are u.S. citizens) we've been married going on 40 years.
 
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I'm okay, I mean...still somewhat in shock. But remaining optimistic. Man it's been a brutal year on us. For sure me. But I'm trying to look at it as, well, better now...than when engaged or heaven forbid married. Optimism! I mean I understand that while it's not fun, sometimes people do just...well...fall out of love. It happens. I'll be fine. I think I was just in a sort of almost panic at first is all and just needed to vent. Thank you all for the kind words.
 
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re:"We don't see each other as often anymore. I feel like you don't want to see me anymore. We never go out anymore. I feel like S**T." And that seemed so absurd to me....

it's not absurd, given the context of a global pandemic. a lot of people are feeling alone/depressed/isolated, (aka: feeling like S**T), because of the quarantine -- it's taken a toll of everyone's mental health -- it sounds like she's feeling these ill effects, and she could probably just use a hug or something. rather than keeping a diary of your feelings, to show her 'later', you should tell her how you feel 'right now'. tell her about your plans for proposing in august, and maybe even show her a pic of the ring you bought. remind her that she's not alone (despite the constant feelings of isolation); that you're still here for her, even if it doesn't seem that way during this particular moment (which we've all been stuck in for that last 2 months). her feeling of isolation (aka: feeling like S**T) is actually kinda normal, given the context of what we're all going through. she's basically saying that she misses spending time with you.. and the only way she can think of, to protect herself from that constant feeling of "missing her boyfriend", is to stop having a boyfriend. it's almost like a defense mechanism. if that makes any sense.
 
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Then you have to ask, "what is love?"
my take? it's basically the moment when you put somebody else's well being above your own.

we all come into this world as a blank page, after all -- we have no sense of "personal identity" (that's not something humans are born with) -- and then, right around 2 years old, we learn the word "ME" and THAT becomes our focus in life: "I, Me, Mine" is all we ever think about. (we call it "the terrible two's", but for some people, it lasts WELL into adulthood LOL). :p

"love" happens, when you decide, consciously or not, that another human being actually matters MORE to you, than your own well being; it's when you start living for someone other than yourself; (maybe you just had a child, and it suddenly dawns on you -- like the flipping of a switch -- and suddenly, out of nowhere, you're NOT the most important person in your world anymore); (maybe it's more of a 'spectrum' -- like the tipping of a scale -- where a perfect stranger is less important than our neighbors, our neighbors are less important than our families, etc etc -- at some point on that spectrum, you would take a bullet for the other person, because that special person is MORE important than you are); its when we place another person ahead of ourselves, and outgrow our terrible two's LOL :)
 
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A couple COVID frustrations:

I’m all for the whole “shop local” movement. The small, local stores really need our help at this time. That said, there’s a local store that really seems opposed to taking our business. I’ve shopped there for several years and they’re always friendly and helpful in person, but they’ve been horrible to deal with virtually. I went on a bit of a rant about this on FB yesterday so I won’t go into a lot of detail, but when the stay at home orders started, they shut their doors. They kept selling stuff online with curbside pickup for a few weeks, then went to mail order only. They re-opened to curbside pickup this past week. During the initial curbside pickup period, I tried to throw some money their way. They weren’t helpful and I ended up not buying anything. When they switched to mail order only, I tried again. They wouldn’t respond to any of my emails or FB posts. Now that they have curbside again, I gave it another shot. I had several questions about what I was trying to order, so I sent my email to both their order email address and the store’s general address. It’s been three days and I’ve gotten nothing in return. In the meantime, they’re making regular pleas on FB for more business because of how hard this has been on them. I finally responded there. I wasn’t rude or anything, but pointed out that I’d emailed them a few times now and hadn’t heard back. They deleted my post. I will say they’re owned and operated by a somewhat younger crowd (20s to early 30s), and they can be a bit snooty with some of their customers who aren’t as “in the know” about what they sell as they are. At this point, I figure that if they’re that opposed to answering 2-3 questions about the products they sell, I’ll just go on Amazon.

My other big annoyance from yesterday is how some people still can’t tolerate or comprehend any humor about the situation. We’ve suffered tremendously through this. Not as bad as some, but we’re dealing with some major stress, disappointment and heartbreak. I don’t complain about it on FB because some of it is too personal to bring up, and I really don’t want to bring people down more than they already are. I made a not so serious post yesterday about our pandemic struggles. Most of them were clearly jokes and not true, but the one that was true was about the week we had to suffer through the giant roll of really cheap, industrial toilet paper. We were down to one or two good rolls and it’s all they had at the store. It was horrendous! However, now that we’re back to rolling in quilted goodness, it’s something I can joke about.

This idiot on FB didn’t see it that way. He lambasted me for my insensitivity and for making jokes about a situation that has caused him so much grief and harm. This is one of the original hoax proponents whose biggest “loss” through all this is that he’s lost the ability to go out in public and not see people in masks. He’s been posting pictures of him and his family refusing to social distance through all this, then boasted about the spending spree they went on with their “found money” (their $3400 stimulus check). I had a long, profanity-filled response (completely out of character for me) all ready to go, but took a few deep breaths, went and got a cup of coffee, came back, deleted it and blocked him.
 
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A lot of businesses have not been able to adapt to the changes Just a lot of ways that we interact are different. & I can say as someone who has been at work almost every day NO ONE wants to be here. More so if they don't see themselves as "essential business"

I have made a lot of jokes about covid, mostly to try to cheer people up, sometimes I do sometimes I don't. For the states with less than 15,000 cases I get how frustrating this can be. I live in NJ & am starting to get a little numb to hearing who died today. Its very real here & the shut downs are so that truck morges are not a thing everywhere else.

Covid is a no win situation, so I have no sympathy for the gym owner who want to reopen his petri dish to get his customers sick. He won't take responibility if someone dies/gets sick. When things open stupid people will try to ruin things, so its up us to do what we think is in our best interest.
 
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Wouldn't it be horrible if the extreme numbers of infections and deaths were not true? the number being blown out of proportions for the fear factor and manipulations of the masses. Has anyone questioned Johns Hopkins about the statistics? you see their name at the bottom of the epidemic statistic chart on the news. It would be bad if that school was being politically "motivated" to put out extreme numbers of infections and death news. what if a lot of the deaths were not virus related? Some of the actions taking place to enforce the extreme "protection agenda" are on the verge of sounding like the rise of a "police state"(I am not against law enforcement) political agendas actions taken to "make people safe". Wonder if this went on too long and became the"new normal"? this country would cease to exist as the United States and my ancestor would rise from his grave in anger! Please don't think I'm trying to be negative, just brainstorming.
 

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Wouldn't it be horrible if the extreme numbers of infections and deaths were not true? the number being blown out of proportions for the fear factor and manipulations of the masses. Has anyone questioned Johns Hopkins about the statistics? you see their name at the bottom of the epidemic statistic chart on the news. It would be bad if that school was being politically "motivated" to put out extreme numbers of infections and death news. what if a lot of the deaths were not virus related? Some of the actions taking place to enforce the extreme "protection agenda" are on the verge of sounding like the rise of a "police state"(I am not against law enforcement) political agendas actions taken to "make people safe". Wonder if this went on too long and became the"new normal"? this country would cease to exist as the United States and my ancestor would rise from his grave in anger! Please don't think I'm trying to be negative, just brainstorming.
You're not brainstorming. You're promoting conspiracy theories. Just be honest. If you believe it, at least have the conviction to say it. This crap has been around since the internet became widely available and even before that. FEMA death camps, new world order, illuminati, and on and on. Man, they sure are taking their time. I've been hearing these conspiracies for at least 30 years.
 
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if anything I think the numbers are being under-represented, because a lot of people (for one reason or another) are just not getting tested. either they are asymptomatic carriers (who don't even know they have it) -- or they are just experiencing mild symptoms and are self-isolating/recovering on their own. ie: the numbers we see are "confirmed" cases, but I suspect there are many many more that are unreported/UNconfirmed. and yes,on the whole, this might cause an exaggeration of the actual mortality rates -- like for example: if we learned there were actually 2x more cases than were officially reported.. then the 'actual' mortality rate would be half of the 'reported' mortality rate (that kind of thing) -- but at the end of the day this 'exaggeration-of-the-mortality-rate' doesn't constitute a conspiracy. it's just caused by a lack of testing (aka: many many cases, with positive outcomes, going unreported/unconfirmed) so the total number of cases is actually under-represented, compared to the total number of deaths
 
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if anything I think the numbers are being under-represented, because a lot of people (for one reason or another) are just not getting tested. either they are asymptomatic carriers (who don't even know they have it) -- or they are just experiencing mild symptoms and are self-isolating/recovering on their own. ie: the numbers we see are "confirmed" cases, but I suspect there are many many more that are unreported/UNconfirmed. and yes,on the whole, this might cause an exaggeration of the actual mortality rates -- like for example: if we learned there were actually 2x more cases than were officially reported.. then the 'actual' mortality rate would be half of the 'reported' mortality rate (that kind of thing) -- but at the end of the day this 'exaggeration-of-the-mortality-rate' doesn't constitute a conspiracy. it's just caused by a lack of testing (aka: many many cases, with positive outcomes, going unreported/unconfirmed) so the total number of cases is actually under-represented, compared to the total number of deaths
But that's not what he's saying. He's saying they are purposely lying about the numbers to make us scared so they can control the sheeple, and eventually put us in a police state. Funny. There's one side who would argue they under report as to not scare and another that says they over report to scare. There are always conflicting conspiracy theories that have their proponents calling each other government shills and sheep.
 
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