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Love it, count me in for Disney Plus next year!
 
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So excited for this. Cassian and Rogue One are my favorite Disney era additions to the canon. I'm such a nerd that I've been setting up different Rebel dioramas for almost 2 years with Cassian, K2, Nein Numb etc. That era right before ANH that Rogue One explores really caught my interest.

It's things like this along with Solo, Rogue One that help me forget that garbage like TLJ even exists.
 
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was on the fence about signing up, this puts me over.

now hopefully there's enough unproven, comedic directors available to direct episodes of this.
 
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Cool! Cassian was my favorite character from Rogue One. There could be some really good stories told here. One thing though... when will these guys venture outside the established Star Wars lore and develop some all new stuff?
 

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Didn't expect this but sounds interesting if they can pull it off. Make something interesting out of it.
 
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Really? This makes perfect sense considering that movie was the only one Fan approved. And that for the most art everyone liked it.
Gives them another chance to mine been there done that in the era they see hell bent on staying in.

Fortunately I took R1 as a one and done, thus have no interest/reason to watch this. Especially since I didn't really care much for Cassian.
I guess it will also depend on which OT characters make a cameo to entice those holdouts, or guest cast certain Rebels characters for those wanting something different.
Another reason is that I'm not gonna sign up and pay extra for a service just to watch it. If they also do this for the Mandalorian, then they will have successfully lost me as a viewer.
 
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I am all for it. Especially if Tudyk comes back as K2SO. I am interested enough in this , The Clone Wars , The Mandalorian and Loki to buy the service. At least to check them out. They probably have some others series or plans we don't know about. I am hoping it is a success. But this fandom is so picky and agitatated that I just don't know if it will be?
 
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Really? This makes perfect sense considering that movie was the only one Fan approved. And that for the most art everyone liked it.
Gives them another chance to mine been there done that in the era they see hell bent on staying in.

Fortunately I took R1 as a one and done, thus have no interest/reason to watch this. Especially since I didn't really care much for Cassian.
I guess it will also depend on which OT characters make a cameo to entice those holdouts, or guest cast certain Rebels characters for those wanting something different.
Another reason is that I'm not gonna sign up and pay extra for a service just to watch it. If they also do this for the Mandalorian, then they will have successfully lost me as a viewer.
lol do you like anything? :p

It's going to be cheaper than Netflix (I'm guessing 5 bucks) and you're at minimum getting 2 Star Wars series, another season of Clone Wars, the Loki series and some other rumored Marvel stuff. You can just cancel when you've watched what you want to see.
 
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Really? This makes perfect sense considering that movie was the only one Fan approved. And that for the most art everyone liked it.
Gives them another chance to mine been there done that in the era they see hell bent on staying in.

Fortunately I took R1 as a one and done, thus have no interest/reason to watch this. Especially since I didn't really care much for Cassian.
I guess it will also depend on which OT characters make a cameo to entice those holdouts, or guest cast certain Rebels characters for those wanting something different.
Another reason is that I'm not gonna sign up and pay extra for a service just to watch it. If they also do this for the Mandalorian, then they will have successfully lost me as a viewer.
What about Star Wars do you actually enjoy?
 
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This is relatively good news and completely out of the blue as well.

'Rogue One' is the only thing that has kept me interested in Diswars. Nothing else they've done has been good and Gareth Edwards' film is the only thing that has come close to feeling like the original Star Wars, so I'm delighted to hear this.

Also, I like Andor. His character, almost, singlehandedly took the Rebellion out of its goodytwoshoes state and opened out into a more realistic organisation. Andor killing informers and willing to perform assassinations brought a certain "realism" to the Rebellion and it was very welcome. I'd like to see more of that in the TV series. Make it adult orientated, the kids already have their cartoons.

Also, if Tudyk returns, it could make for some great buddy interactions.

The major problem here though, is that we already know Cassian Andor's fate on Scarrif. So, that may create a certain eventual redundancy with the whole show?

To be honest, with this and 'The Mandalorian' TV show, things are potentially looking up for Diswars...TV wise anyway...assuming they don't blow it.
 
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This is relatively good news and completely out of the blue as well.

'Rogue One' is the only thing that has kept me interested in Diswars. Nothing else they've done has been good and Gareth Edwards' film is the only thing that has come close to feeling like the original Star Wars, so I'm delighted to hear this.

Also, I like Andor. His character, almost, singlehandedly took the Rebellion out of its goodytwoshoes state and opened out into a more realistic organisation. Andor killing informers and willing to perform assassinations brought a certain "realism" to the Rebellion and it was very welcome. I'd like to see more of that in the TV series. Make it adult orientated, the kids already have their cartoons.

Also, if Tudyk returns, it could make for some great buddy interactions.

The major problem here though, is that we already know Cassian Andor's fate on Scarrif. So, that may create a certain eventual redundancy with the whole show?

To be honest, with this and 'The Mandalorian' TV show, things are potentially looking up for Diswars...TV wise anyway...assuming they don't blow it.
That crossed my mind too. What they need to do is create new characters that we can invest in and care about that interact with Cassian. That way their fate and well being has some weight to it.

Seriously cannot wait for this show.
 
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Lol can't wait till the series is finished and I can do a marathon with this R1 and ANH
 
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What about Star Wars do you actually enjoy?
Well, something not stuck in the OT era for starters. Would be nice to get something good that is set in a new era with new characters.
Secondly, just because I don't care much for Cassian as a character. It means that I don't like anything Star Wars? No, it means he simply doesn't interest me, so a show about him doesn't either. There was plenty in R1 that I would have been interested in. Like oh IDK, Chirrut and Baze's stories/adventures. Or how about some cool looking Aliens they never like to showcase. No offense, but I'm bored to death with Humans. I'm watching shows based in a different Galaxy for crying out loud...

Everything I like about Star Wars I already own, so I can watch them anytime for free. Having to sign up and pay for a service to watch everything single thing might appeal to others, but it doesn't appeal to me. I'm already signed up with enough of them just to watch my current shows, I just can't justify adding more.

It' that simple, not everyone likes every single thing as everyone else does.
 
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Well, something not stuck in the OT era for starters. Would be nice to get something good that is set in a new era with new characters.
Secondly, just because I don't care much for Cassian as a character. It means that I don't like anything Star Wars? No, it means he simply doesn't interest me, so a show about him doesn't either. There was plenty in R1 that I would have been interested in. Like oh IDK, Chirrut and Baze's stories/adventures. Or how about some cool looking Aliens they never like to showcase. No offense, but I'm bored to death with Humans. I'm watching shows based in a different Galaxy for crying out loud...

Everything I like about Star Wars I already own, so I can watch them anytime for free. Having to sign up and pay for a service to watch everything single thing might appeal to others, but it doesn't appeal to me. I'm already signed up with enough of them just to watch my current shows, I just can't justify adding more.

It' that simple, not everyone likes every single thing as everyone else does.
I meant in a general sense. You don't seem to like any of the figures...the movies...the shows...

Edit: just for the record I know that I'm a miserable sum***** that hates TLJ and takes every chance to say it.
 
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The Mandolorain, The GoT duo’s show, and this all feels like an unofficial admittance on Disney’s part that the brand of basic, lazy, completely reliant on PC gimmick-ridden, and extremely patronizing nuSW of Kathy’s does not work. Not because the leads may be women and not because of ethnic diversity of leads— but the audience can see through the shallowness of this Sequel and Solo and are rejecting it for weak, sloppy and lazy production. Corporations can only accuse the audience of racism/sexism/bigotry for so long before they admit gimmicks are not bringing in the profits they’re after. Good stories and characters are what will bring and keep the audience coming back. And these shows seem to be the result of that realization. Lots of potential here. We shall see.

I’m so bored of this infinite lingering in OT-purgitory. But RO was supreme, with solid characters. As much as I adore RO, Diego was the weakest link, but that’s from such a solid cast, even down to the minor “characters”, like Lyra and Mon Mothma etc. Everyone involved was solid. So a show of that period in time, spawns a lot of potential with some very interesting individuals to showcase. Diego/Cassian would only be their connection, so the show doesn’t need to focus on him at all times-- and for all stores. And if some of the other established characters/actors are returning— maybe even Gareth as director, this can only be a good sign. With a series-format— and hopefully a generous budget, Gareth’s slow-burn storytelling/characterization signature would be ideal. These shows need to look grand and epic visually, with stunning cinematography, supreme production design overall. Just like they can’t rely on PC-gimmicks for success, these shows can’t rely on familiarity of the OT-era to ensure success. I don’t want to see the production-value of filming this in the backyard vistas (like ROTJ)…
 
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The Mandolorain, The GoT duo’s show, and this all feels like an unofficial admittance on Disney’s part that the brand of basic, lazy, completely reliant on PC gimmick-ridden, and extremely patronizing nuSW of Kathy’s does not work. Not because the leads may be women and not because of ethnic diversity of leads— but the audience can see through the shallowness of this Sequel and Solo and are rejecting it for weak, sloppy and lazy production. Corporations can only accuse the audience of racism/sexism/bigotry for so long before they admit gimmicks are not bringing in the profits they’re after. Good stories and characters are what will bring and keep the audience coming back. And these shows seem to be the result of that realization. Lots of potential here. We shall see.

I’m so bored of this infinite lingering in OT-purgitory. But RO was supreme, with solid characters. As much as I adore RO, Diego was the weakest link, but that’s from such a solid cast, even down to the minor “characters”, like Lyra and Mon Mothma etc. Everyone involved was solid. So a show of that period in time, spawns a lot of potential with some very interesting individuals to showcase. Diego/Cassian would only be their connection, so the show doesn’t need to focus on him at all times-- and for all stores. And if some of the other established characters/actors are returning— maybe even Gareth as director, this can only be a good sign. With a series-format— and hopefully a generous budget, Gareth’s slow-burn storytelling/characterization signature would be ideal. These shows need to look grand and epic visually, with stunning cinematography, supreme production design overall. Just like they can’t rely on PC-gimmicks for success, these shows can’t rely on familiarity of the OT-era to ensure success. I don’t want to see the production-value of filming this in the backyard vistas (like ROTJ)…
Not sure how Diego Luna was a weak link at all. Cassian Andor was one of the most refreshing new characters in Star Wars in a long time. I like the fact that he's just a field operative for the Rebellion. A guy doing his job, like the thousands (millions?) of others in a paramilitary organisation. He also has a genuine character arc (if I can use that dumb term), in that he goes from a cold, trained, assassin to understanding the bigger picture, in terms of Jyn and Galen Erso and the necessity to eliminate an arbitrarily destructive weapon such as the Death Star. His death on the beach with Jyn was excellently handled as well. There's no lovey dovey shite, it's just two people that have a real understanding, he offers a moment of comfort and nothing else needs to be elaborated on. A subtlety that is sorely missing from a lot of movies, especially where leading men and women are concerned. It's an immensely well handled scene, from the set piece, the acting, the music. It's one of the finest scenes in any Star Wars film. In fact, the Darth Vader kick *** scene that follows it (as much as I like it) kind of acts as an anti-climax in comparison.

As for Gareth being a director, or even showrunner, I'd be well up for that. He is the ONLY one that has got Star Wars, out of the current crop, and I include the likes of Filoni in that as well. His direction of 'Rogue One', Kennedy sanctioned reshoots aside, was superb. He really does understand Imperial period Star Wars. So, he'd be a perfect fit to oversee a Cassian Andor TV series and the period it's set in.
 
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Agreed. Cassian is a bright spot in a dark Disney world with a backstory I want to learn about.
 
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I meant in a general sense. You don't seem to like any of the figures...the movies...the shows...
Well in my defense, 95% of the figures are repacks of ones that I already own. For the record, I do like all of the Movies except TFA and TLJ.
And when they come out with a new show that i like, I'll like it too. ;)


I'll admit that I can be very critical of certain things, it's my cross to bear. But it doesn't mean I hate every movie.
 
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It'll be a tricky one this. Will the TV series be his journey from idealistic Rebel to amoral jerk because that's what he started Rogue One as?
 
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Not sure how Diego Luna was a weak link at all. Cassian Andor was one of the most refreshing new characters in Star Wars in a long time. I like the fact that he's just a field operative for the Rebellion. A guy doing his job, like the thousands (millions?) of others in a paramilitary organisation. He also has a genuine character arc (if I can use that dumb term), in that he goes from a cold, trained, assassin to understanding the bigger picture, in terms of Jyn and Galen Erso and the necessity to eliminate an arbitrarily destructive weapon such as the Death Star. His death on the beach with Jyn was excellently handled as well. There's no lovey dovey shite, it's just two people that have a real understanding, he offers a moment of comfort and nothing else needs to be elaborated on. A subtlety that is sorely missing from a lot of movies, especially where leading men and women are concerned. It's an immensely well handled scene, from the set piece, the acting, the music. It's one of the finest scenes in any Star Wars film. In fact, the Darth Vader kick *** scene that follows it (as much as I like it) kind of acts as an anti-climax in comparison.

As for Gareth being a director, or even showrunner, I'd be well up for that. He is the ONLY one that has got Star Wars, out of the current crop, and I include the likes of Filoni in that as well. His direction of 'Rogue One', Kennedy sanctioned reshoots aside, was superb. He really does understand Imperial period Star Wars. So, he'd be a perfect fit to oversee a Cassian Andor TV series and the period it's set in.
I like Diego/Cassian. Just that he’s way too mousey-looking for a leading man: He’s not necessarily a bad choice— just not physically fully convincing in his role. He has very little presence when compared with the rest of the RO gang/cast. I get that he’s meant as the straighman of the gang, and the cold attitude is understandable, given his life and work— but his interaction with the rest of the gang is pure suspicion/disdain (he’s even distant to K2), until deep into the 2nd act, is a noticeable drag to the story. At least grace Cassian with some charm, wit, magnetism. With such a strong ensemble cast, where even the extras have solid presence: the guy that’s in the prison transport with Jyn; the 70s-mustache X-Wing pilot; the hooded woman that’s an Alliance Leader at the conference; Lyra etc, Diego/Cassian lacks leading man presence. (I recently watched King Arthur with Clive Owens, and there may be a handful of things weak with the film, but the entire main cast is so solid-- even Keira.)

(I can understand when detractors find RO gloomy with inaccessible characters: Jyn is already a reclusive, introverted and heavily damaged, mousey sort when she’s introduced. To pair her with an even more distant, and even more mousey man can be a tad too much.)
 

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It'll be a tricky one this. Will the TV series be his journey from idealistic Rebel to amoral jerk because that's what he started Rogue One as?
Well we know it'll end with his death :p Would be great to see Jyn again or have the RO end battle play out from different angles.
 
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I like Diego/Cassian. Just that he’s way too mousey-looking for a leading man: He’s not necessarily a bad choice— just not physically fully convincing in his role. He has very little presence when compared with the rest of the RO gang/cast. I get that he’s meant as the straighman of the gang, and the cold attitude is understandable, given his life and work— but his interaction with the rest of the gang is pure suspicion/disdain (he’s even distant to K2), until deep into the 2nd act, is a noticeable drag to the story. At least grace Cassian with some charm, wit, magnetism.


Ummm, I see what you mean. But, I disagree. I think too many writers confuse smartarse remarks as "character". Having their people always on point with the next "witty" line is not character. It's just some line the writer has spent time dreaming up. After a while it doesn't even pass as charming, just annoying. As for Cassian's physique, he's an intelligence officer. He doesn't need to be Arnie. In fact, the fact that he's just a regular Joe makes him more realistic to me.

With such a strong ensemble cast, where even the extras have solid presence: the guy that’s in the prison transport with Jyn; the 70s-mustache X-Wing pilot; the hooded woman that’s an Alliance Leader at the conference; Lyra etc, Diego/Cassian lacks leading man presence. (I recently watched King Arthur with Clive Owens, and there may be a handful of things weak with the film, but the entire main cast is so solid-- even Keira.)

(I can understand when detractors find RO gloomy with inaccessible characters: Jyn is already a reclusive, introverted and heavily damaged, mousey sort when she’s introduced. To pair her with an even more distant, and even more mousey man can be a tad too much.)
God, I hate Clive Owen LOL. I find him as dull as dishwater. Oh well... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But, yeah, people who want to detract from 'Rogue One' by calling the characters boring are just not getting those characters as far as I'm concerned and I think that's a result of the "smartarse" writing that saturates movies these days. That, if people aren't being "funny", then they're somehow "bad" characters. It just doesn't compute with me.

To me the 'Rogue One' characters fit the piece perfectly. They're damaged people, involved in a war. A war that's taken everything from them. To have them go around pointing fingers at the camera and flippantly rolling quips like fuck all of consequence was happening would have been awful. Star Wars isn't 'Guardians of the Galaxy'.

As for being "mousey", I don't see either Jyn or Cassian as such. These are people that have survived extraordinary circumstances, as evidenced in the film. They've been pretty much forced to be lone wolves, by events the war has thrust upon them and they've survived in any way they can. In the case of Cassian, it's objective at any cost and with Jyn it's apathy, withdrawal and not "looking up". They both come to a redemption of sorts by the end of the film and realise that there's a bigger picture. There's a lot more going on with the characters of 'Rogue One' than in anything that Disney has put out, Star Wars wise. In fact, I'd say the cast of 'Rogue One' are some of the best Star Wars characters.

Contrast them to the likes of Rey, a bouncy, preppy jolly hocky sticks, wish fulfilment, that never once feels like a real person. Or Finn, an Uncle Tomfoolery trope who's story ended as soon as he left Jakku for the first time and decided to defect. Or Poe, a one man army cliche.

I'll take the 'Rogue One' characters over them any day of the week.
 
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^^^ By no means would I want Diego/Cassian to look like Arnold with his one-liners, nor act like Chris/Star Lord… Oh God no LOL No need to turn these characters into flat caricatures— this Sequel has already taken care of that, as we've clearly seen.

Many times, an actor’s physical appearance may be easily overlooked because their performance is that solid: Al Pacino in his early years come to mind. He’s this unassuming, plain Jane-looking everyday bloke, and he’s tiny in physical stature— and they never try to hide that (unlike with Tom Cruise). But his characters and his performance is full of this sort of intensity, bravado and boundless magnetism. That’s what’s missing with Diego/Cassian. In my life, I'm around individuals that may not look conventionally "attractive/beautiful", but once I get to know them, their intelligence, their personality, their style, and most importantly, their talent, hugely compensates for their other (physical) shortcomings, and they become that much more attractive/admirable/beautiful. That's what's missing with Diego/Cassian.

Just my observations and preference, of course. RO is so solid, and if I had my way and Cassian had some fire his presence then RO would be that much stronger. As to how my criticism of Diego/Cassian relates to this series: I really do hope that he is only the connection to showcase other characters. Cassian as a character, has already been established as a fighter since he was 6yo, so I can’t imagine a (dreaded) happy-go-lucky Cassian in this, and how he eventually turns into the ice-cold solider in RO. He seems to have been a Debbie Downer since he was little LOL
 
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i loved rogue one. and i thought Cassian was an ok character. but a series focusing on him..? that sounds really boring imo. he would make a great recurring/background character in a series starring a cast of characters more exciting than the ones in rogue one.

i'm really starting to wonder if disney will ever get it right.
 
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I saw him on James Corden the other day and I was impressed with the way he spoke -- not just the accent but the soft spoken intelligence behind it -- I came away with some new respect for the guy. I think the actor can hold his own. I have confidence in his ability to carry the show.

so really, it's going to be all just down to the writing -- specifically: the character.

I think Cassian's character has lots of room for further development; unlike Lando's example (in the other thread), he doesn't have a 40 year history of characterization in the eyes of the fans, so they could actually make him LGBT and nobody would throw a fit over it.
(meaning: they can pretty much do whatever they want. the possibilities for developing this character are a lot more 'open' than someone like Han or Lando, for examples -- in order to be successful, a TV show about Han (or Lando) would need more limitations placed on it, when it comes to developing the central character -- Kasadan ignored this '40 year history of characterization' and his movie lost money at the box office).


re: "what were they thinking"?
I think they planned this pretty well. it was a good choice of character upon which to base a TV show. and I think the actor has the 'skillz' to pull it off. I am cautiously optimistic.
 
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Well, when you think about it. Being a Womanizer wouldn't have really gone over well today, not with me2 movement. So they had to make it about something else, while at the same time not insulting a group that identifies with that subject.

As for Cassian, since it's a prequel, I suspect that he'll be some nice guy. And over the course of the show, we'll see him struggle with what he has to become to exist in that career. The glaring problem with prequels that don't care for, is the fact he'll never bee in danger. Because we all know he lives up until stealing the DS plans.
It essentially makes his characters immortal, and any time he's in a life or death situation...
 
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The central character of any show is never truly in danger though. So, the plot armour for Cassian will be no different than the vast majority of fictional TV characters.

It's very rare that a TV show will kill off its main guy/gal.
 
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The central character of any show is never truly in danger though. So, the plot armour for Cassian will be no different than the vast majority of fictional TV characters.

It's very rare that a TV show will kill off its main guy/gal.

This is spot on.
 
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Not really, because most of those shows aren't prequels about a title character. So there is a sense of them being in danger when a scene plays out to the effect of them being killed off. The audience doesn't know it for sure, just surmises they won't be. But it's the illusion of them being under threat of peril that's moot because of it being a prequel.
 
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So there is a sense of them being in danger when a scene plays out to the effect of them being killed off.
Except there isn't. No company is going to into production with the idea that they are going to kill off the central character that the audience is following. Even 'The Walking Dead' didn't have the balls to it with Rick, after Lincoln decided to...er...walk.

In fact, the only show I can think of that whacked their main guy (and the rest of the main cast) was 'Blake's 7' and that's because the show had been axed by the BBC.

It's only if an actor leaves that such a measure is even considered and even then, it's still rare.
 
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I am looking forward to seeing The Mandalorian - but if truth be told, I'm equally excited about seeing Cassian again.

I'd love to see more of locales such as The Rings of Kafrene (as seen in R1) - it had a very bladerunner-esque quality about it which suited the time period well.

Early Rebellion focus is a good choice IMO. Jimmy Smitts could potententially reprise his role as Bail (as could most of the Rebellion characters shown in R1).
 
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Your point, Yoda, that "there is a sense of them being in danger when a scene plays out to the effect of them being killed off" is wrong, because it doesn't really exist and this situation will be no different for a Cassian Andor TV show than it is for any other, even if we do know the exact time and place of his death.
 
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Oh boy. OK, your point isn't that complicated and it's not going over anyone's head. Everyone understands what you're saying. Because we know exactly when and how Cassian dies, we'll never feel like he's in any "real" danger. Fine. The part you're not getting is that that isn't really any different than any other show. Because when most people watch most shows, they don't actually think the main character could die at any moment.
 
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Which is exactly everyone was probably shocked when JR was shot, and when Bobby died. Because it never happens.

I would also speculate that Ragnar Lothbrok, Henry Blake, etc. beg to differ.
 
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