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Release - May 6, 2022

By October 2018, Ryan Coogler had completed a deal to write and direct a sequel to Black Panther. By July 2019, Feige confirmed the film was in active development. At the 2019 D23 Expo, the working title Black Panther II and a release date of May 6, 2022 were announced


The first film was really good, one of Marvel's best so looking forward to this one.
 
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See I'd have to respectfully disagree. While I do agree it's a very fun and enjoyable film, I wouldn't rank it as one of their best. It's def. not bottom tier either, I just think it's overrated. Great, but far from the artistic masterpiece it's been made out to be. The fact it was nominated for best picture was pretty absurd. I really don't understand how it's any more original or special than any other standardized superhero origin story. Frankly, we all know why it was nominated...but you can't say it aloud. But we all know why...

But sure, it was pretty darn fun. The heavy rumors have been that since the Fox deal and the acquiring of Fantastic Four characters (which Panther even first appeared in) that Namor the Submariner will be the antagonist. Some have even theorized that that apparent Oceanic earthquake that register on radar in Endgame was a hint toward his coming. Frankly, if Namor is in...I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO down for that. That WOULD very much so mirror Wakanda's first appearance in Ultron also being a sort of Easter Egg on a holo-map screen. Plus it would make a good rivalry, leader of Atlantis vs. the leader of Wakanda. Two countries that secluded themselves from the world. Ultimately though, if in keeping with the Namor character, he'll eventually turn good. Namor has always been one of those ambiguously grey morality characters, a sort of ***hole who you can relate to. You don't necessarily condone his means, but you can get his reasons. He means well...well...kinda. So my question then becomes, who would be the character that they would unite against? Attuma perhaps?
 
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I agree, personally I can;t wait to see characters like F4 and the like. While the first Panther movie was okay, some of it just felt long winded and he basically fought himself via magic Mirror.
Jordan did a pretty good job in the role, though it just felt like knockoff of BP. Nothing to get really excited over. For me.

Not knowing what it's really about, i couldn't say much. But it would be kind of cool for Namor to be the antagonist, easy way to work him into MCU and like you say hinted at in Avengers. My question is, is it too soon since Aquaman? Especially since A2 is coming fairly close to that date. He, like Black Widow, suffers from not having many notable Villains to draw from. Most of which have already been used.

Also curious if they'll try to work in Ororo Munroe in somehow, since they now have access to Fox characters.
 
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I agree, personally I can;t wait to see characters like F4 and the like. While the first Panther movie was okay, some of it just felt long winded and he basically fought himself via magic Mirror.
Jordan did a pretty good job in the role, though it just felt like knockoff of BP. Nothing to get really excited over. For me.

Not knowing what it's really about, i couldn't say much. But it would be kind of cool for Namor to be the antagonist, easy way to work him into MCU and like you say hinted at in Avengers. My question is, is it too soon since Aquaman? Especially since A2 is coming fairly close to that date. He, like Black Widow, suffers from not having many notable Villains to draw from. Most of which have already been used.

Also curious if they'll try to work in Ororo Munroe in somehow, since they now have access to Fox characters.
I mean exactly, one issue that may arise in the Panther films is they sort of blew their load too early. Essentially every major villain he has, which is a small line-up, has been used. I immediately think of Klaw: Used and now dead. I then think of Man-Ape: Use and now allied with. Then Killmonger: used and dead. Who's really left? Those are his big three! Klaw was barely used, pretty much wasted. Killmonger is just evil Black Panther, I've never understood the praise the character received. M'Baku (Man-Ape) is a hero now. I've heard Kraven thrown out there, but I identify him as more a Spider-Man villain, I did like the idea of tying his backstory to Wakanda though, but NOW it's pretty much irrelevant anyway. Surely the rights to him go with Spider-Man AKA Sony. I think Namor is a good solution to this problem.

That's the ONE thing though that worries me when concerning Namor - Aquaman. I'm worried Marvel will be worried they'll appear as if they're ripping DC off, for most normal casual fans...it probably would appear that way. For the diehards, we know that Namor predated Aquaman. Heck! He's actually the second oldest Marvel character. But that really is a concern that they'll keep putting his off due to Aquaman. I really hope not!
 
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I mean exactly, one issue that may arise in the Panther films is they sort of blew their load too early. Essentially every major villain he has, which is a small line-up, has been used. I immediately think of Klaw: Used and now dead. I then think of Man-Ape: Use and now allied with. Then Killmonger: used and dead. Who's really left? Those are his big three! Klaw was barely used, pretty much wasted. Killmonger is just evil Black Panther, I've never understood the praise the character received. M'Baku (Man-Ape) is a hero now. I've heard Kraven thrown out there, but I identify him as more a Spider-Man villain, I did like the idea of tying his backstory to Wakanda though, but NOW it's pretty much irrelevant anyway. Surely the rights to him go with Spider-Man AKA Sony. I think Namor is a good solution to this problem.

That's the ONE thing though that worries me when concerning Namor - Aquaman. I'm worried Marvel will be worried they'll appear as if they're ripping DC off, for most normal casual fans...it probably would appear that way. For the diehards, we know that Namor predated Aquaman. Heck! He's actually the second oldest Marvel character. But that really is a concern that they'll keep putting his off due to Aquaman. I really hope not!
Not sure why there is so much concern about Namor. If it's a Namor film, then yes it would be very similar to Aquaman. If it's a Black Panther film, the majority will be out of the water. I don't see Black Panther going underwater to attack Namor.

I could easily see this as a three way battle. Perhaps this is another manipulation attempt like the Zemo plot. You have Black Panther and Wakanda. Namor and Atlantis. AND since Storm doesn't really have a stated country you could use her as Ororo from the Savage Land. Keep her backstory the same if you want. (mother a princess that married a foreigner, orphaned and the develops powers to lead her tribe). You could include Ka-Zar, Shanna, and Zabu if you like. Perhaps they are all being manipulated by another for some nefarious purpose *cough* Vibranium***cough **Doom *cough*.
 
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Speaking of, though it really is too early to tell. But I wonder who will be the build up to Villain. Personally I've never been that big a fan of Doom or Galactus, but I went along with it because they're F4 characters. But for either of them to be "Endgame" baddies for the next phase? IDK. I like the idea of Kang being introduced, because of the time travel hacks.

Galactus does make more sense as he's a Planet eater, and makes for a Universal threat the same as Thanos. But Doom, just feels like your average street thug Villain.
 
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Speaking of, though it really is too early to tell. But I wonder who will be the build up to Villain. Personally I've never been that big a fan of Doom or Galactus, but I went along with it because they're F4 characters. But for either of them to be "Endgame" baddies for the next phase? IDK. I like the idea of Kang being introduced, because of the time travel hacks.

Galactus does make more sense as he's a Planet eater, and makes for a Universal threat the same as Thanos. But Doom, just feels like your average street thug Villain.
I am TOTALLY down with Kang. I summarized his coming just makes sense when you look at the context of Endgame. I'd be more surprised if he doesn't show up. Plus he's one of the larger and more important villains in the Marvel mythos. I'd like Galactus, eventually, but I feel giant intergalactic threats have been done to death. So I think it's time for a break from that...for now. This is why I'm pushing more for Doom as the next Thanos level ultimate "boss fight" foe. He's Thanos level, just in a very different way. See I wouldn't agree that he's an average street thug at all though. He's just been portrayed sooooooooooooooooo poorly on film before. In comics, he's a mega threat. He's the ultimate puppet-master. He's easily Marvel's most intelligent villain, the Reed of antagonists. See you have to remember, outside of Thanos himself and only with the gauntlet...there's only one other villain that defeated the MCU heroes. Zemo is just a man, but proved the major threat they can be when competent enough. Sure he's caught by the end, but not before it's too late. What he aimed to achieve...he did. Doom is that tenfold. Plus the real zinger is, apparently it's been theorized in comic continuity itself, that Kang IS the future Doom. Don't quote me on the details there though, I'm not an expert on those specifics. But I can really see some great stuff done with that. If anyone will finally portray a comic accurate and incredible Doom, it's Feige. I do think Doom needs MAJOR build-up though. Indirectly tie him to the events of practically every MCU movie this phase. He's observing and studying. He's biding his time for the proper moment. Have hits of him being the master, a lot of villains being just pawns to some shadowed figure and finally reveal...that figure is from Latveria.

I mean who's left for Avengers? We've done Loki, Ultron, Zemo, and Thanos. The fairly major Avenger foes left to face off against are Kang, REAL Mandarin, Doom, and Galactus are the logical choices to be coming. Sure some may be associated with other books like Mandarin with Iron Man and Doom with Fantastic Four, but for the most part...once a villain becomes so successful like they have, they basically just become general Marvel villains.
 
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Plus the real zinger is, apparently it's been theorized in comic continuity itself, that Kang IS the future Doom. Don't quote me on the details there though, I'm not an expert on those specifics. But I can really see some great stuff done with that. If anyone will finally portray a comic accurate and incredible Doom, it's Feige.
Well, that could be interesting if becomes true. I think my resistance to Doom, is that fact I've seen him done too many times on screen. And not the best representations. He's almost the Luthor of DC Movies, been in them all. MCU definitely went through the Villains fairly quickly in short time period, so if they run out of them too soon. It really is their fault. lol

But lets not forget that Marvel isn't just about who is or who was an Avenger. There's the whole Star Jammer Shi'ar aspect that could introduce a whole new path for them. That is probably what I'm most interested in seeing. We also likely haven't seen the end of Skrull Kree war stuff?
 
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Well, that could be interesting if becomes true. I think my resistance to Doom, is that fact I've seen him done too many times on screen. And not the best representations. He's almost the Luthor of DC Movies, been in them all. MCU definitely went through the Villains fairly quickly in short time period, so if they run out of them too soon. It really is their fault. lol

But lets not forget that Marvel isn't just about who is or who was an Avenger. There's the whole Star Jammer Shi'ar aspect that could introduce a whole new path for them. That is probably what I'm most interested in seeing. We also likely haven't seen the end of Skrull Kree war stuff?
Yeah I'd have to say, of all the great Marvel villains...Doom has probably been the most mistreated on screen. I can def. understand some apprehension with his inclusion. Honestly some versions don't have much of anything even in common with comic Victor. Often he's been portrayed on film as almost a caricature of over-the-top super villainy, like so utterly hammy. I really want a quality movie adaptation, basically the MCU's Darth Vader. He should be ominous, intimidating, frightening, always one step ahead with next-level brilliance (utilize both science and mysticism) and an utter ego-maniacal persona willing to use anyone for his own gains.

I will say, I am excited for a quality Fantastic Four and I think only the MCU could do it. However, it's the other characters the rights bring that excite me more than the Fantastic Four themselves. Namor, Surfer, Galactus, Doom, Annihilus, I could even see something really fun done with Mole Man in Subterranea with his Gollum-like minions and a slew of monsters. For the Four themselves though? Well this may be off the table now due to the latest news, but I do really want to see a film somewhere on the line that would have the classic Torch/Spider-Man duo. Even if just a scene! Also it would be a complete missed opportunity to not have Thing fight Hulk.

I totally think now is the time of the Starjammers and Shi'ar. Now that they've gained the X-Men rights, I mean...the Jammers can fit into a LOT of stories. They have potential for X-Men, Guardians, Captain Marvel, as well as their own films. When introduced, you could have them meet Surfer, Nova, Warlock, on and on it goes. The Starjammers have mega crossover potential, much more than the freaking Eternals.
 
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Well with the unfortunate and sad passing of Boseman I wonder what they intend to do with the sequel, recast T'Challa or promote an existing Wakandan to the role? For some reason i had thought that filming had already began or that it was close to wrapping up, but not the case. Also wonder if it will change the story in any way as it pertains to the MCU as a whole. It will obviously change if M'Baku or Nakia take he lead as that would require a whole new story line.

I see a lot of support for Shuri but I don't think she's right for that role, besides not being a hand to hand combat type of person. She lacks leaderships experience etc. I think her character works best in the lab coming up with new tech for the King/Queen.

The only other thought was if T'Challa had a Son, which seems doubtful with everything that happened. Not to mention wouldn't be old enough.
 
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Not much that they can really do
Recast the role is the most likely, understandable given the real life situation. But of course whoever takes the role will be unjustly compared.

Option 2 Shuri takes the role & they use old footage/stunt doubles to kill of the character, not that I believe Disney will suddenly purge the woke as some rumors say, but it would be seen as more woke than it actually is, with it own set of issues.

Option 3 hold off on BP2 until the new guy is introduced, given covid & the demise of the movie theater they may be forced to do that.
 
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If Boyega hadn't started a ruckuss, I could see them casting him as Black Panther. But sadly Chadwick was perfect for the role.
 
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They've recast Rhodey and Banner so recasting isn't off the table, but it will be a VERY difficult transition. I agree that they pretty much need to let Black Panther 2 wait for now. We've got Black Widow, Eternals, Shang-Chi, Spider-Man 3, Thor: Love and Thunder, and then Doctor Strange's Multiverse movie. Doctor Strange will be the game changer.

Yes, Black Panther 2 was scheduled to begin filming in 2021, but I have to think they'll vacate that May 6 2022 date or push back Doctor Strange to May in order to give them a couple more months of time to figure out how the Doctor Strange Movie will re-introduce Black Panther. Then we can have Black Panther 2 in 2023. I think they should think about recasting multiple characters in that movie as that might actually make more sense then just a new BP. (anyone that wants out.... yeet) That way a new Black Panther alongside a new Captain America and a new Nick Fury?? or new Iron Man?? could keep the party going. It's not like Comics haven't done this sort of thing before.

That being said, I LOVED Shuri. If we get more Shuri, especially with her own suit then I'm in for that as long as they make a decent movie. I think fans will accept a new Black Panther in time but right now... what a gut punch.
 
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They've recast Rhodey and Banner so recasting isn't off the table, but it will be a VERY difficult transition. I agree that they pretty much need to let Black Panther 2 wait for now. We've got Black Widow, Eternals, Shang-Chi, Spider-Man 3, Thor: Love and Thunder, and then Doctor Strange's Multiverse movie. Doctor Strange will be the game changer.

Yes, Black Panther 2 was scheduled to begin filming in 2021, but I have to think they'll vacate that May 6 2022 date or push back Doctor Strange to May in order to give them a couple more months of time to figure out how the Doctor Strange Movie will re-introduce Black Panther. Then we can have Black Panther 2 in 2023. I think they should think about recasting multiple characters in that movie as that might actually make more sense then just a new BP. (anyone that wants out.... yeet) That way a new Black Panther alongside a new Captain America and a new Nick Fury?? or new Iron Man?? could keep the party going. It's not like Comics haven't done this sort of thing before.

That being said, I LOVED Shuri. If we get more Shuri, especially with her own suit then I'm in for that as long as they make a decent movie. I think fans will accept a new Black Panther in time but right now... what a gut punch.
Actually they could use some cut footage from Black Panther in Dr. Strange to send our Black Panther to another dimension to save their universe. A noble way to write out Boseman, and let him live offscreen plausibly. This could allow them to also recast and bring in another Panther seemlessly.
I also love Shuri, but as Shuri. It could damage the balance of the movies if she simply took up the mantle. She is a key element of Wakanda that I am not so readily willing to let go. She is essentially the Q to Panthers Bond.
 
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Actually they could use some cut footage from Black Panther in Dr. Strange to send our Black Panther to another dimension to save their universe. A noble way to write out Boseman, and let him live offscreen plausibly. This could allow them to also recast and bring in another Panther seemlessly.
I also love Shuri, but as Shuri. It could damage the balance of the movies if she simply took up the mantle. She is a key element of Wakanda that I am not so readily willing to let go. She is essentially the Q to Panthers Bond.
I know this is way too early to suggest, but I've seen a young Kurt Russell, Robert Downey Jr., and Michael Douglas. They've resurrected Grand Moff Tarkin and Carrie Fisher (and deaged her too). Yes I know there are varying results to all of these, but since Black Panther is pretty much entirely in a suit I wonder if we'll get some Boseman in any future movie even if it is just to give him a respectful sendoff?
 
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I think killing the character off has more meaning though, if it's done right by him sacrificing himself for a cause. Then a new King is found from within Wakanada. They could recast but i feel it will still cause ripples even years later because in many people eyes the role will never be filled better than by Boseman. Similar to how most of us view Jackman as Wolverine. or RDJ as Tony Stark. Whoever is cast will have very heavy shoes to fill and possibly be criticized on every move they make.

The trouble is are you staying true to the comics by going outside the box by having someone else be King/BP so early? It would surely shake things up far more than Marvel probably wanted to, at least so soon.
 
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I think killing the character off has more meaning though, if it's done right by him sacrificing himself for a cause. Then a new King is found from within Wakanada. They could recast but i feel it will still cause ripples even years later because in many people eyes the role will never be filled better than by Boseman. Similar to how most of us view Jackman as Wolverine. or RDJ as Tony Stark. Whoever is cast will have very heavy shoes to fill and possibly be criticized on every move they make.

The trouble is are you staying true to the comics by going outside the box by having someone else be King/BP so early? It would surely shake things up far more than Marvel probably wanted to, at least so soon.
Cannot argue with this.

Honestly, they've got 2 choices Shuri or Michael B Jordan. The idea that Doctor Strange is playing with the Multiverse means they have the way.... it's now just a matter of how they'll do it. We all know Black Panther is coming back.
 
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You make a good point, i always for get about the whole Multiverse thing that exists now. So an alternate version of MBJ's character that didn't have to turn bad could be brought in, he did pretty good in the opposite role.
 
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And Michael B Jordan has known Boseman since he was 16. It's not like they just met on Black Panther. I think if they can get MBJ to do it, it would be a great win for everyone. He killed it with the Killmonger character and really deserves a longer stint in the MCU as he is a fantastic actor. Not sure HOW, but that's not up to me anyway.
 
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in the comics, Shuri took over the mantle of Black Panther (in a 2008 storyline where T'challa was in a coma).

it's a safe bet, the MCU will do the same thing. this is, really, the ONLY way forward.

(MCU fans are all about the "source material").

my guess, T'challa will be killed "on screen", while wearing the mask -- they'll give him a hero's death.

then Shuri will become the new Black Panther. that story is already written. it's a no-brainer.



the only difference being, T'challa actually survives (and loses his powers) -- Shuri becomes Black Panther, even though T'challa is still alive.

(obviously they would have to change this part, and have T'challa die instead, to make this a "permanent" thing)

Queen Ororo nominates Shuri as his successor, and she successfully completes the various trials, granting herself access to the heart-shaped herb. However, when she consumes the herb, the Wakandan Panther God does not imbue her with the powers of the Black Panther, instead rejecting her due to her lifelong jealousy of her brother's mantle and her arrogance in its presence.[2] When the powerful villain Morlun threatens to annihilate Wakanda entirely, Shuri takes on the Black Panther identity and outfit anyway, and manages to both save Wakanda and resurrect her comatose brother. Through her humble act of self-sacrifice she earns the mantle of the Black Panther, and the Panther God grants her its accompanying powers.[3]

When a now powerless T'Challa discovers that Doctor Doom infected many Wakandan officials and advisers with nanites, he goes off in search of a way to stop him, leaving Shuri as acting ruler of Wakanda....
 
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Honestly, they've got 2 choices Shuri or Michael B Jordan. The idea that Doctor Strange is playing with the Multiverse means they have the way.... it's now just a matter of how they'll do it. We all know Black Panther is coming back.
I don't think we should be putting too many eggs in the multiverse basket just yet. We have no way of knowing how the multiverse is going to be portrayed or what the implications of it will be. I doubt very seriously that it's just going to be a bunch of parallel realities that previously dead characters can just be plucked from as needed.

Shuri makes the most sense and is the least problematic.
 
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