Bantha WARNING! (by Sexton and smith creations)

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It has come to my attention and I just feel it should be known to the collecting world of vintage Star Wars figures that the bantha that sexton creations and Sith Lord creations has put together is based on a custom! The photo that he supposedly drew inspiration from is of a mock up. It is a custom that was commissioned for the Canterbury Star Wars exhibit. This photo is a mock up this is a link to the exhibit.....you can see this piece pictured here about half way down https://greencardback.wordpress.com/2018/10/10/star-wars-irl-2-may-the-toys-be-with-you/

As for this being the first time someone attempted this....false. It’s documented here at scum. There has been several before him. Mine being I think one of the first in 2010 and the finished piece in 2013 Plenty more pics in my photo gallery........but it’s not who did it first. In the customizing community we all copy or are inspired by others work. But every once and a while somebody captures the very essence of what might have been and it is an almost unspoken acceptance...... that’s the one. He has self proclaimed himself as the genius behind the sculpt but that is false. It would be different if he simply said I have drawn inspiration from the customizing community. You don’t have to name drop . We don’t work that way in the customizing community. Only too glad to see someone put it into production for those who can’t sculpt. Just be honest.....that’s all. They have been shadowed by controversy .......there was never a Bantha prototype! Just thought you all should know. Yes Sexton is very talented and yes I am in favour of this piece being made available and if you do purchase one realize it is only a custom not a prototype reproduction.
 
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I think you should give Sexton the benefit of the doubt. I mean the way it's displayed in the exhibit and the way the photo with the caption is presented it leads one to believe it was an unproduced Kenner prototype. It's only in the text of the article that the writer indicates it was custom, and he was surprised to learn that himself. And he doesn't even tell the reader who actually did it. Someone just looking at the photos without being told wouldn't know the truth necessarily.

In an interview with Retroblasting, Micheal French didn't know the Bantha from the photo wasn't a Kenner prototype. Sexton indicated in the interview that he sculpted his Bantha based solely on that one photo with the Star Wars logo and the text "Kenner's unproduced toys 1986". He also indicated that he wasn't connected to the Star Wars collecting/customizing community until he was commissioned to do the Bantha.

I mean it's good to know where the original sculpt originated from, but I don't think it was a deliberate effort to not give the original custom sculptor credit. I think he thought it was a photo of a prototype. And in thinking so, he mentioned that he thought he needed to copy the photo as closely as possible in order to faithfully re-create the toy he thought Kenner meant to produce.

So, who is the sculptor of the custom exhibit piece anyway? I think there may be more to the story than we know. I do wonder why Smith Lord Creations didn't reach out to the person who originally sculpted the Bantha and commission him/her to do one for mass production?
 
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Smith Lord knows how to do great marketing!
He gave Retroblasting, The Junkman, Toy Polloi and Analog toys free samples to review.
They know their customer based
 
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I use to be a Patreon supporter of Retro Blasting and Toy Polloi, but do to their endorsement of Reproductions not being marked as such made me pull my support of them both. It's a shame I love much of their content. I just wish they used their popularity to spread better awareness to the hobby about reproductions and how as collectors if we get any we should mark them as such (heat up a pin and etch in a R on the weapon).
 
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One thing I've noticed with many collectors is that after their run is complete (whatever that might consist of) then what is left? You've collected it all and now you can move on custom/repro items to expand and scratch the vintage itch. I'm not advocating repro, by any means. There's a clear difference between repro and custom. One's shadier than the other. But what I have noticed is that as my collecting run nears it's end I still want to keep collecting and my interest and acceptance towards custom has been more accepting. I don't think that Toy Polloi and Retro Blasting advocate the use of repro as a way of deceiving any collector. They, like many collectors, have been around the hobby so long that repro doesn't concern them because practice over the years has made repro pieces difficult to get past a well trained eye. I wouldn't shun Toy Polloi or Retro Blasting for being accepting to custom and repro pieces myself.

Back on the topic of this thread though. I'm excited about the Bantha. I will likely order the 13 figures they're offering loose, but the Bantha I will order boxed. The packaging looks great and fits well within most's collections.
 
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One thing I've noticed with many collectors is that after their run is complete (whatever that might consist of) then what is left? You've collected it all and now you can move on custom/repro items to expand and scratch the vintage itch. I'm not advocating repro, by any means. There's a clear difference between repro and custom. One's shadier than the other.
And then there are different levels of shade with customs. A person making customs from beaters, or even make their own molds, on a small or singular scale? Very little shade (with a a lot of sun peaking through). Those that mass produce customs are a whole lot shadier.
 
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And then there are different levels of shade with customs. A person making customs from beaters, or even make their own molds, on a small or singular scale? Very little shade (with a a lot of sun peaking through). Those that mass produce customs are a whole lot shadier.
I totally agree. When there's money to be made there's always going to exist a certain level of shade. Goes for any market really. Let's hold out hope that the majority of people will take the moral high road and not filthy the collecting community waters with deception. Repro has been the dark cloud looming for many years and that cloud only gets bigger each year it seems. The only way we can defeat true deceitful repro is through education and communication.
 
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What is shady about producing something that has never been released?

You can decide what you think about their reproductions but they aren't 100% copys(no COO, marked SLC).

As for inspiration, everything is based off the movies so...

I am not trying to diminish anyone's thoughts or opinions, only to give a possibly different perspective.
 
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If someone is making customs, meaning a figure, ship, playset, vehicle etc that was NEVER produced by Kenner from 1977-1986, that's one thing.

If they're making customs AND reproductions of any Kenner produced figure, part, weapon, ship, playset, cardboard backer, cardback, cardboard insert, paper flyer, etc they've just completely lost any chance of getting my business. Whether or not they're marked. PERIOD.

If they're trying to "help the average collector get a piece into their collection that they might not be able to afford and original of", then why aren't they only selling them for a few dollars more than it cost them to get made in CHINA? These people are not helping you, they're helping themselves to your wallet.

James
 
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