AFA graded palitoy vinyl cape jawa

[mr_palitoy]

This broke on SWFUK this morning, am reposting here for our US friends who are interested in palitoy.

After many years of debate about whether the vinyl cape jawa ever appeared on a palitoy 12 back card, we now have proof that it did with a sealed example being graded by AFA only a few weeks ago.

The serial number is 14166282 and can be verified on their website if you have an account setup:-

http://www.cgagrading.com/toygrader/Sec ... d=14166282

Here are the details:-

Figure Information
Serial Number: 14166282
Date Graded: Mar 14, 2013
Grade 75
Blister: 70
Figure: 90
Card: 80
Year: 1978
Company: PALITOY
Series: STAR WARS
Title: 12 BACK-B
Name: JAWA
Variation: VINYL CAPE

And here is a picture of it, in all it's glory:-

This piece was sent to AFA for grading by Richard Horsley aka Palitoyman on SWFUK.

Many congratulations to Richard on acquiring and grading such an historic and awesome killer piece!

My cardback guide has been updated to reflect this news:-

Mr Palitoy's Cardback Guide |



Jason

 

[roulettemonster]

What a great piece, I'm just curious why the bubble got a 70 though. Maybe I am missing it but it looks pretty nice to me. Does it have a crack or some lifting do you know?

 

[mr_palitoy]

What a great piece, I'm just curious why the bubble got a 70 though. Maybe I am missing it but it looks pretty nice to me. Does it have a crack or some lifting do you know?

No idea, Richard would have a better idea when he gets it back from AFA tomorrow. The important thing here is that it got an AFA grade, authenticating the cardback/figure variation combo. Hadn't really given the overall grade much thought!



Jason

 

[BespinFatigues]

What an amazing find, truly a watershed moment for Palitoy collectors. I'm always drawn to that big Pali logo - it just adds something a bit special for me in a nostalgic way.

 

[djlackore]

Looks amazing!!! Congrats!!

 

[SeerDrakon]

I saw this on SWFUK and didn't want to ruin the surprise. Thank you for posting it. That is one sweet piece!!!!

 

[roulettemonster]

No idea, Richard would have a better idea when he gets it back from AFA tomorrow. The important thing here is that it got an AFA grade, authenticating the cardback/figure variation combo. Hadn't really given the overall grade much thought!



Jason

Oh yea I completely agree the grade is insignificant. Much more important to know that it exists, I was just wondering because the bubble looks pretty good in the picture.

 

[Yehuda_K]

Great find. Good to finally have confirmation

 

[BruceW]

It's very cool that after all this time, there are still new discoveries that come up in our hobby! Awesome!!!!

 

[Lafos]

Good to know it's finally confirmed. True holy grail.

Here's the 2008 discussion thread:

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1023010/

 

[Duskamp]

wow! What a beauty. As Lafos said: good to know it's confirmed.

 

[Darth_Scourge]

Awesome!!!

 

[Christian]

Good to know it's finally confirmed. True holy grail.

Here's the 2008 discussion thread:

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1023010/

I wonder if this example was the one I was offered a few months prior to posting the below on the old thread:

I recently purchased a number of AFA MOC's from a collector who was leaving the hobby. Whilst visiting him he showed me this piece:



I spent a long time trying to 'see' why it was a fake even though the collector in question had paid a huge sum of money for it and was certain of it's authenticity.
Still to this day I can not see how it was faked and honestly believe it was legit. However, and here's the crunch, I'm pretty sure that this example originated from South Wales which in my mind sets alarm bells ringing due to aforementioned reasons.

Shame because these days it's very rare for me to feel that excited 'buzz' when viewing a SW collectable but the moment I clapped eyes on it the buzz was back.

Do Pal VCJ's exist? I dunno but it was either the best fake I've ever seen or this is real. But why hadn't he had it graded...

The legend lives on...

Merry Christmas,
Christian.

 

[Joe_O]

I wonder if this example was the one I was offered a few months prior to posting the below on the old thread:

Looks identical to me Christian!

 

[AJ_van_Zelst]

I wonder if this example was the one I was offered a few months prior to posting the below on the old thread:

The MOC in the first post is the same as the one in your post.
- the bubble is cut the same at the upper right corner
- the spot in the upper left corner of the card is the same
- the 'dent' in the lower right corner of the card is the same

With this confirmation by AFA and the 'loose' one in the 2008 thread one can notice that the punchole of the cardback of the vinyl jawa is indeed different then the cloth version of the Palitoy versions. That would mean collectors may have smilar cardbacks of the vinyl one without knowing it.

-Alex

 

[Bonsai_Tree_Ent]

Wow, great find. It makes sense that the vinyl cape jawa was originally sold in the UK because loose ones do come up in joblot childhood collections every now and then. I think if you listen really, really closely you can hear the sound of tears rolling down the cheeks of Palitoy MOC collectors who now know that their collection may forever be incomplete...

 

[mr_palitoy]

I would agree that those cards are identical, cape and gun placement also match as well as minor flaws on the card/bubble.

What's the South Wales reference? I've said all along that when one gets graded by AFA the source of the piece isn't that relevant.

Interesting that the hole punches are different between cloth and vinyl cape cards.

cheers Jason

 

[Christian]

The MOC in the first post is the same as the one in your post.
- the bubble is cut the same at the upper right corner
- the spot in the upper left corner of the card is the same
- the 'dent' in the lower right corner of the card is the same

With this confirmation by AFA and the 'loose' one in the 2008 thread one can notice that the punchole of the cardback of the vinyl jawa is indeed different then the cloth version of the Palitoy versions. That would mean collectors may have smilar cardbacks of the vinyl one without knowing it.

-Alex

Thanks AJ - a keen eye indeed. If only I had had £5k in my pocket at the time... now I wonder if anyone will now attempt the nigh on impossible and go for a full run of MOC VCJs - Palitoy, Kenner, Meccano, Kenner Canada, ESB Toltoys.. o-o Anyone got $100k+ spare?

Christian

 

[Christian]

I would agree that those cards are identical, cape and gun placement also match as well as minor flaws on the card/bubble.

What's the South Wales reference? I've said all along that when one gets graded by AFA the source of the piece isn't that relevant.

Interesting that the hole punches are different between cloth and vinyl cape cards.

cheers Jason

One word Jason... Torres. I was told by the owner that he was the source but my memory has had a bit of beating (for numerous reasons) and it may have been that his name came up in the conversation at the time.

Christian

 

[Darth_Sith_Lord]

WOW That looks fantastic

 

[palitoyjunky]

Oh yea I completely agree the grade is insignificant. Much more important to know that it exists, I was just wondering because the bubble looks pretty good in the picture.

Just some marks on the bubble that were enough to down grade the bubble to a 70! Haven't seen the piece in front of me but know the owner well and have great pics.
As said being a one off, the grade is insignificant!!

Truely amazing news!!!

 

[_Darren_]

Play the song by Etta James......At last!!!!

somewhere my late cranky friend is telling all the doubters. "I feckin told ya so!!!...slackers!!!"

Andy purchased his Palitoy VCJ in 1978 and had the backing card and loose Jawa(the only person I knew that had one)to prove it(according to him)

he was absolutely UNFLAPPABLE in his conviction that he bought it,ripped it off the card and played with it until it became the "Chief" Jawa shortly after the switch to cloth.

This has made me very happy today!!!

Now....where can I get one??!!!LOL
Darren

 

[Joe_O]

I had almost forgot Andy was a huge supporter of the Palitoy VCJ Darren!

Here is a great quote from Andy actually which will make you laugh..

As for did they exist on palitoy cards, I believe I had one as a kid. I believe it so much I could sit and argue about it all day with David Tree

 

[_Darren_]

I had almost forgot Andy was a huge supporter of the Palitoy VCJ Darren!

Here is a great quote from Andy actually which will make you laugh..

i feel his presence in that quote,Joe.....who would even WANT to spend ANY time with David Tree!!!???!!??

Darren

 

[SeerDrakon]

So......what now guys? I guess there is some history on this piece. Would you all care to share the history on it? Those two pieces look the same.....does that mean it is a fake? I would love to learn more.

 

[HeroSolo]

Bloody hell! Awesome find especially after so many years of speculation!

another one or two will turn up now, bound to happen.

 

[Joe_O]

I wonder if anyone will now attempt the nigh on impossible and go for a full run of MOC VCJs - Palitoy, Kenner, Meccano, Kenner Canada, ESB Toltoys.. o-o Anyone got $100k+ spare?

And the hunt begins!

 

[_Darren_]

And the hunt begins!

Hard to believe the Kenner VCJ is the poor cousin of all the foreigners....

Add LILI LEDY and Trilogo and there is some serious Jawa coin!!!!.....

I know that this is a VCJ thread,but isn't it amazing that JAWAs are the gold of the SW collectable universe....

Darren

 

[SeerDrakon]

Did some digging...
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t892855/

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fr...ts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage/leBMPX3wqfQ

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t904885-2/

 

[_Darren_]

Did some digging...
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t892855/

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fr...ts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage/leBMPX3wqfQ

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t904885-2/

Torres is infamous amongst most of the British ol' timers and I myself was scammed by this steaming pile of human waste.

But I honestly think he's outta the game now as the kind of crap he dealt in has now been 'U' graded into history as most MOC collectors have went the AFA route. I remember paying big-ish money for two MOMC C10 POTF figures(Luke Stormie and Amanaman)and they arrived poorly packaged and no better than C-5....with nice brown bubbles!!!

Still doing my happy dance!!
Darren

 

[Joe_O]

Did some digging...
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t892855/

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fr...ts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage/leBMPX3wqfQ

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t904885-2/

Yes it's confirmed now that the graded Palitoy VCJ above (the same one Christian turned down years ago) is indeed the one Richard Torres discovered. ("Paliboy" from the 2005 thread with a less than stellar reputation)

Not sure if anyone here is following the thread on SWF but the new owner Richard is hoping to get the grading report and a COA (strangely it didn't come back with one, which given the nature of the item is a little silly) from AFA so hopefully there will be a bit more information to come from them on this particular figure which IMO is something the community definitely would appreciate seeing as this has been debated back and forth for years now (can't believe it's been 5 years since the original thread actually!)

 

[_Lee_]

Torres is infamous amongst most of the British ol' timers and I myself was scammed by this steaming pile of human waste.

But I honestly think he's outta the game now as the kind of crap he dealt in has now been 'U' graded into history as most MOC collectors have went the AFA route. I remember paying big-ish money for two MOMC C10 POTF figures(Luke Stormie and Amanaman)and they arrived poorly packaged and no better than C-5....with nice brown bubbles!!!

Still doing my happy dance!!
Darren

Me too Darren-he conned me out of £600 or so in 2001.

 

[Joshua_A]

Richard, is an unfortunate name to be attached to a Palitoy VC Jawa that's just been graded. Everyone sure it's not the same person here? Anyone met both of them before...Old owner Richard and new owner Richard?
Just throwing that out there. :whistling:
Sorry if that offends the new owner in anyway. I think it's a reasonable question to be asked by someone who hasn't met either of you.

 

[_Darren_]

Me too Darren-he conned me out of £600 or so in 2001.

Kinda ironic that one that has taken so much from the hobby actually kinda redeems himself(this is really a loose interpretation of redemption)....,but in the context of actually PROVING at last that the bloody thing actually exists....

So,for putting to bed,once and for all,grudgingly(and the words are choking me).......Torres,you absolute TOSSER.......fair play!!!(hell is freezing over and pigs are flying as we speak!!)

Darren

 

[Duskamp]

I must admit as someone said, after seeing the movies a million times, nobody could foresee that the Jawas would the gold of SW collecting. It's really amusing! There are many one offs out there, but the Jawa VC will always be something special, almost mythical. There is a point made by SeerDrako; what now? What unconfirmed Jawa could we speculate about? (never seen a confirmed meccano AFA yet though)

 

[aussiejames]

(never seen a confirmed meccano AFA yet though)

MADBROWNZ: The Jawa Features
"
Well, what do you think, showed up at Celebration V? The "infamous" Meccano 12 Back VC Jawa happened to be on display behind the CIB Booth "

 

[Duskamp]

That images makes it look even more mythical I've seen it before, and (as someone else notice) it looks a bit deep to be a normal afa case. But the important thing is that one knows it confirmed.

MADBROWNZ: The Jawa Features
"
Well, what do you think, showed up at Celebration V? The "infamous" Meccano 12 Back VC Jawa happened to be on display behind the CIB Booth "

 

[Jason_West]

And the hunt begins!

Personally, I am very happy a Palitoy MOC VC Jawa has been confirmed. Now that Joe has produced the picture above, time to get out your calculators..

American 12 Back: 4 - 6K
Canadian 12 Back: 10K+ (ungraded)
Palitoy 12 Back: 25+ or more..
Meccano 12 Back: 20k+ or more??
Toltoys 41 Back: 17 - 20k

I think the 100K mark is a tad high, but stranger things have been known to happen. See why people love Jawas???

 

[Rob_Daugherty]

Personally, I am very happy a Palitoy MOC VC Jawa has been confirmed. Now that Joe has produced the picture above, time to get out your calculators..

American 12 Back: 4 - 6K
Canadian 12 Back: 10K+ (ungraded)
Palitoy 12 Back: 25+ or more..
Meccano 12 Back: 20k+ or more??
Toltoys 41 Back: 17 - 20k

I think the 100K mark is a tad high, but stranger things have been known to happen. See why people love Jawas???

Oh wow! That would be killer to have. I would just like an American version right now! LOL Oddly enough, I'm finding it easier to get DT Vaders and rare Kenner displays than a carded American VC Jawa. And the hunt goes on...

 

[HeroSolo]

What about a Harbert one?

There you are Jeff another little run to put together!