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So this is a worthwhile piece of research in your opinion? Or are you resorting to a personal insinuation in spite of the fact that I have made no political comment?

I am interested in why SW is being singled out and not other franchises? Trek? Fast and Furious? Alien? Terminator? Predator? Marvel? Bridget Jones?

Or is it quite normal for people to like some things and not others without having to harp on about it? Is this a good use of university money when they are likely researching medical issues in another building down the street?

No aluminium foil required thanks. But the reactionary post is quite telling insofar as you missed the point completely.
 
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I am interested in why SW is being singled out and not other franchises? Trek? Fast and Furious? Alien? Terminator? Predator? Marvel? Bridget Jones?
every other franchise has already had articles about this it's called the Bechtel test

 
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So will you add materially to the sought-for adult debate by posting up some results comparisons? Or will you answer the original question posed, as to whether this is all worthwhile in the first place? Or will you you do something silly that reinforces my original decision to have you on 'ignore'? Uh huh.
 
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every other franchise has already had articles about this it's called the Bechtel test
Perhaps, before commenting, you should read the article.

While recent Star Wars films have improved screen time for female roles, Dr Harrison says they still struggle to pass the "Bechdel test".


This test requires a film to include at least two women, who talk to each other about something other than a man.
I guess words are more difficult than youtube videos, eh Steve?


As to the article, I'm not sure it's really useful for anything other than a statistic. I mean, it can be used to reinforce the notion that Disney has an agenda to push women - but really, the Disney films in question each have a female as the main lead character, so you'd expect that percentage to rise.

I think a more meaningful study would be to somehow quantify that research into a relative study of how much power or authority women have per film.

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Perhaps, before commenting, you should read the article.



I guess words are more difficult than youtube videos, eh Steve?


As to the article, I'm not sure it's really useful for anything other than a statistic. I mean, it can be used to reinforce the notion that Disney has an agenda to push women - but really, the Disney films in question each have a female as the main lead character, so you'd expect that percentage to rise.

I think a more meaningful study would be to somehow quantify that research into a relative study of how much power or authority women have per film.

Ian
facepalm.... yup right over your head as usual.
 
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reinforce the notion that Disney has an agenda to push women - but really, the Disney films in question each have a female as the main lead character, so you'd expect that percentage to rise.
It's definitely reinforced the idea that SW still has a way to go in proportionally representing 50% of the population. Hopefully we see that improve in future films : )
 
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It's definitely reinforced the idea that SW still has a way to go in proportionally representing 50% of the population. Hopefully we see that improve in future films : )
haven't you heard women don't watch Star Wars so there should never be a star wars movie with women in it
 
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It's definitely reinforced the idea that SW still has a way to go in proportionally representing 50% of the population. Hopefully we see that improve in future films : )
Hmmm...Star WARS


Better go tell every military in the world they need to have 50% representation by women. Or political offices.

Just because they can, doesn't mean it's realistic. It's not that way in real life, so why push it into a film?

Oh, and Steve, no surprise on your response, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Hmmm...Star WARS


Better go tell every military in the world they need to have 50% representation by women. Or political offices.

Just because they can, doesn't mean it's realistic. It's not that way in real life, so why push it into a film?


Ian
.............. just when I think you can't come up with a less intelligent response....

so you're argument on why they shouldn't have more women in the movie is because it's not that way in real life..... yet ignoring the aliens.... robots, space ships, laser swords and magic powers... because those are real.... right..
 
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Better go tell every military in the world they need to have 50% representation by women. Or political offices.
There are numerous initiatives to address the gender balance in the military and politics but I agree that they should be doing more.
 
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so you're argument on why they shouldn't have more women in the movie is because it's not that way in real life.....
Now we're getting somewhere. In real life, different people like different things. So, by the standards of equal representation, should every form of entertainment be obligated to contain the same demographic constituents of the population at large? Or are we still permitted the freedom to pick and choose what we like without having it dissected by those with a political agenda to pursue? Does it apply in music as well for example?

I'm in the camp that it's irrelevant and people should enjoy what they like without it being picked it to pieces or have to suffer being dictated to about it. One can reasonably assume the author of the academic piece likes the franchise, so why do this and spoil it for themselves and others? It's toxic.
 
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Enlighten please? Genuinely interested as this is not my field.

EDIT: Interesting edit!
 
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Now we're getting somewhere. In real life, different people like different things. So, by the standards of equal representation, should every form of entertainment be obligated to contain the same demographic constituents of the population at large? Or are we still permitted the freedom to pick and choose what we like without having it dissected by those with a political agenda to pursue? Does it apply in music as well for example?

I'm in the camp that it's irrelevant and people should enjoy what they like without it being picked it to pieces or have to suffer being dictated to about it. One can reasonably assume the author of the academic piece likes the franchise, so why do this and spoil it for themselves and others? It's toxic.
No one is obligated to, from a business perspective it's equal representation is the best thing you can do. Look at the Fast and Furious movies. While they do not have equal female representation they do have racial pretty equal representation and the series has gone from making 363 mill world wide to 1.5 billion world wide.

So obviously reaching a wide audience is just smart business sense.

as far as women being represented well Wonder Woman has been the most succesful DCEU movie to date so there is clearly an audience for female led super hero movies.


No one is suggesting getting rid of male only superhero movies or action movies just in addition to make ones that have a wider representation.

If you don't like it? Then don't go see it.

Male lead action movies are still being made, Upgrade just came out this weekend and it has been getting good reviews.



edit: It's not toxic btw this kind of thing has been happening since books were first being written. If you don't like deep analysis of the art then don't read the analysis. What is toxic is people sending death threats and demanding people get fired because they don't like X aspect of the movie.
 
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Now we're getting somewhere. In real life, different people like different things. So, by the standards of equal representation, should every form of entertainment be obligated to contain the same demographic constituents of the population at large? Or are we still permitted the freedom to pick and choose what we like without having it dissected by those with a political agenda to pursue? Does it apply in music as well for example?

I'm in the camp that it's irrelevant and people should enjoy what they like without it being picked it to pieces or have to suffer being dictated to about it. One can reasonably assume the author of the academic piece likes the franchise, so why do this and spoil it for themselves and others? It's toxic.
if/when we see only 13% representation of blacks in the NBA (or roughly 1-in-9, to reflect the US population) then we can talk about "proportionality-of-race" in entertainment.

until then, I don't care about race-in-entertainment -- when I watch an NBA game , it's because:basketball. period. (as it should be).

I don't want everyone else's race-issues brought up in my face, just because I like to watch 'basketball'.

race is irrelevant. and yes: people should enjoy what they like without it being picked to pieces or have to suffer being dictated to about it -- Hear, Hear!
 
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when we see only 13% representation of blacks in the NBA (or roughly 1-in-9, to reflect the US population) then I'll accept "proportionality-of-race" as mandatory in Hollywood.

until then, I don't care about race-in-entertainment. when I watch an NBA game , it's because:basketball. I don't want everyone else's race-issues up in my face, just because I like to watch 'basketball'.

I agree. race is irrelevant. and people should enjoy what they like without it being picked it to pieces or have to suffer being dictated to about it -- Hear, Hear!
ok... explain to me how representation in sports is in any way equivalent to representation in movies
 
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read the thread. re: "every form of entertainment".

I was responding to darthsatan -- he offered 'music' as his example -- I offered 'sports'
 
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read the thread. re: "every form of entertainment".

I was responding to darthsatan -- he offered 'music' as his example -- I offered 'sports'
........................I can't even begin... I mean this much stupidity is just astounding..... .
 
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Which of these is your field(s)?

film making (casting, production, screen writing)
gender study
statics
psychology
debate
sociology

because this conversation includes all these things and more.
 
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Which of these is your field(s)?

film making (casting, production, screen writing)
gender study
statics
psychology
debate
sociology

because this conversation includes all these things and more.
are you talking to me? Because if so Filmmaking for one is a professional career of mine

Which is your professional career?
 
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I'll just leave this here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-44320627

I'm more interested in why Star Wars is being singled out from the rest of cinema in it's entirety myself.
you’re simply being defensive and I don’t understand why. Just because they chose to review the screen time of women in Star Wars doesn’t mean it is being “singled out” which is clearly an emotional description in which you think it is being picked on. They weren’t interested in a broad review across all movies just Star Wars; that hardly reflects that it is being singled out.

don’t be so insecure.
 
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While this study doesn't bother me, as it seems to others. It does show that there was big increase just recently, despite it being an issue since 77.
What's surprising/odd is that ROTJ sores higher than ROTS. IMO, I don't think a story is ever written with gender in mind. That comes later with casting, and who fits the role. Then obviously you cast based on chemistry between the core cast, and who the two romantic leads might be.

If you're a writer and have only Males or Females in mind when doing so, that's on them personally.

It's definitely reinforced the idea that SW still has a way to go in proportionally representing 50% of the population. Hopefully we see that improve in future films : )
That I'll agree with. Every one is still so focused on the Male vs. Female aspect, yet nothing seems to be happening in regards to them still being 95% white.

And most especially in a Star Wars movie, and hardly any Alien main characters?!
 
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Filmmaking for one is a professional career of mine

AAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Steve, but youtube videos covering cosplay do not make you a "professional filmmaker". LOL

Ian
 
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AAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Steve, but youtube videos covering cosplay do not make you a "professional filmmaker". LOL

Ian
oh come on Ian you stalked me online you should know better then that
 
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Yes, I forgot the video game reviews, lol.

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......Just because they chose to review the screen time of women in Star Wars doesn’t mean it is being “singled out” which is clearly an emotional description in which you think it is being picked on. They weren’t interested in a broad review across all movies just Star Wars; that hardly reflects that it is being singled out.

don’t be so insecure.
Paragraph 1: Reasonable point save for your opening salvo.

Paragraph 2: Unreasonable.

Hot potato this PC stuff, eh?
 
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I knew I shouldn't have read this...I knew it...and yet I did. Now I have to write a whole God damn thing. This world has LOST. IT'S. MIND.
 
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Yeah, if only like literally everyone making Money on YouTube saw this. :hmm: ^
 
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