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I only call current or recently released product resellers scalpers. It tends to not be an issue with LEGO, though, as there is readily available stock practically everywhere. They do create this problem with the Cuusoo/LEGO Ideas sets with their very odd limited release quantities, though. Really hope they will get more Research Institute sets out so I can get one for my daughter.
 
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I only call current or recently released product resellers scalpers. It tends to not be an issue with LEGO, though, as there is readily available stock practically everywhere. They do create this problem with the Cuusoo/LEGO Ideas sets with their very odd limited release quantities, though. Really hope they will get more Research Institute sets out so I can get one for my daughter.
Exactly, I saw someone on Bricklink with Research Institute gleefully advertising for a 150% profit and calling it a deal.
He grabbed 30 from his Lego store (some how) and thus robbed 29 other people of getting one.

That's a scalper.
 
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Exactly, I saw someone on Bricklink with Research Institute gleefully advertising for a 150% profit and calling it a deal.
He grabbed 30 from his Lego store (some how) and thus robbed 29 other people of getting one.

That's a scalper.
Yep. Convention resellers, too.
 
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at the end of the day, I still question the act of 'buying something for the sole purpose of being able to sell it for 10x price' as a business. I know legally there is nothing wrong with it, but there is a thin line there.. Some people make a living out of this and the collateral damage is all on us..
You might be a collector and buy stuff with the purpose of keeping it, and one day you decide you don't want to keep it anymore and then you realize its price has skyrocketed and you decide to let it go and have some good money in return. I understand that.. What I don't understand is a single person who buys 25 sets of UCS MF and keeps them for 4 years to be able to sell them for 10x price. For me, there is something ethically terribly wrong with this act.
 
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Buying something like the Falcon and sitting on it isn't a big deal. The people selling them for crazy prices are only doing so because people buy them at that price. If no one bought at those prices then the market would set the price as being much lower and the sellers would have to lower it or continue to sit on it.

The Falcon wasn't a limited item. Anyone could have gotten one when they were available. Even someone who bought 25 of them would still have left plenty for everyone else. The set was even discounted to move a few times because it wasn't selling as well. People buying up the LEGO Ideas sets to resell are screwing people over because there are not as many made as with a normal set from a theme/wave. They create a false sense of value because it's reducing supply unnaturally.

Same thing with action figure resellers who buy from a store instead of buying cases to resell. They have now made it harder for someone who genuinely wants the new action figure to find one at retail. So they find a reseller who has tacked on additional charges just because. There's no need for them to have bought it other than to screw someone over in the here and now out of a few extra bucks. The false sense of demand they create is what is awful. If they sit on them for a few years and there is still a demand then have at it. The market will have decided what it's worth by then instead of the resellers.
 
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A by-product of this though is..
Whether you didn't have the money, weren't into Lego or didn't know about it, that line would make it impossible for someone to buy it later on.

As I mentioned before, it's about choice.
Would you rather have the choice to buy it after it's long gone (even if it means you pay more) or do you want to be denied that choice?

at the end of the day, I still question the act of 'buying something for the sole purpose of being able to sell it for 10x price' as a business. I know legally there is nothing wrong with it, but there is a thin line there.. Some people make a living out of this and the collateral damage is all on us..
You might be a collector and buy stuff with the purpose of keeping it, and one day you decide you don't want to keep it anymore and then you realize its price has skyrocketed and you decide to let it go and have some good money in return. I understand that.. What I don't understand is a single person who buys 25 sets of UCS MF and keeps them for 4 years to be able to sell them for 10x price. For me, there is something ethically terribly wrong with this act.
 
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Wow, most impressive! Imagine how long it would take to build that with instructions, let alone design it and track down all of the pieces?
 

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Very impressive diorama, I'd hate to be building that one lol
 
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Looks great! Would have loved to see a picture with Obi-Wan and Anakin mini-figs duelling!
 
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No doubt that Lego will re-release or release an updated version of the UCS Falcon, but I think that if they were to do it at any one time, it would be around the release of Episode VII, which is just in time for the holidays.
 
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I really wouldn't want to buy an EVII Falcon :( I hope they will release a ROTJ but the chances are very very slim
 
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Maybe this has been asked before, but with the release of The Force Awakens soon, do you think the chances of seeing an UCS MF from the Original Trilogy are next to Zero? Even if they decided to release a Force Awakens Version I wouldn't want to buy it.. The UCS MF prices on ebay are literally identical to Master Replicas Studio Scale replica.. I just cannot believe.. this lego thing is CRAZY and I don't think anyone saw this coming...
 
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Agreed, nil chance of seeing a UCS Falcon regardless OT or TFA. That's why the UCS Falcon prices are so ridiculous. I honestly don't think the UCS Falcon was all that great of a seller, because I got mine at a clearance price. I was still in my LEGO Dark Ages not playing with LEGO, but I saw the LEGO UCS Falcon posted on a web-bargains-type site, and still being a rabid consumer and Star Wars fan, blew my income tax refund on it. It's still in the brown cardboard shipper box, waiting for the day I die to be sold to be paid for my funeral.

I've since come out of my LEGO Dark Ages, and made this little Falcon:



The one on the right is what LEGO was giving away at Star Wars Celebration Anaheim 2015. The one on the right is my own creation. I'll sell it to you. Ten thousand, all in advance. :) Just kidding, it's not really for sale.
 
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looks very nice :) I could buy it for 10,000 republic credits? :)


Agreed, nil chance of seeing a UCS Falcon regardless OT or TFA. That's why the UCS Falcon prices are so ridiculous. I honestly don't think the UCS Falcon was all that great of a seller, because I got mine at a clearance price. I was still in my LEGO Dark Ages not playing with LEGO, but I saw the LEGO UCS Falcon posted on a web-bargains-type site, and still being a rabid consumer and Star Wars fan, blew my income tax refund on it. It's still in the brown cardboard shipper box, waiting for the day I die to be sold to be paid for my funeral.

I've since come out of my LEGO Dark Ages, and made this little Falcon:



The one on the right is what LEGO was giving away at Star Wars Celebration Anaheim 2015. The one on the right is my own creation. I'll sell it to you. Ten thousand, all in advance. :) Just kidding, it's not really for sale.
 
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How about an XP-38 Land Speeder plus credits? I had an XP-34, but the ownership experience was hell. Turns out some massively wanted criminal was wanted by the Empire, and he used to own an XP-34, so Stormtroopers would hassle every XP-34 on the street.

But back on topic, agreed, the LEGO thing is absolutely crazy. I'm a LEGO fan, AFOL, go to LUG meetings and LEGO events, but I'm astounded at the hype. On the market today, there's the DeAgnostini Falcon. It's expensive, but you do not have to be a master modeler to put it together, no painting required (it helps the looks, though). It's one of the most accessible ways to re-create a studio model. How is a LEGO model of the Falcon selling on the market for more than the DeAgnostini?

Maybe it's like a "Mt. Everest climb" appeal, a personal challenge conquered? I have to admit, I have some things in my collection, that aren't my favorite things, but they were such a big personal investment in time, money, and effort that I won't let them go at a reasonable price without a huge premium tacked on top of a fair asking price.

If you really want a LEGO UCS Falcon, there are several stories on Eurobricks of folks successfully Bricklinking the model with pieces that are close enough. Good luck, and may the Force be with you.
 
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If you really want a LEGO UCS Falcon, there are several stories on Eurobricks of folks successfully Bricklinking the model with pieces that are close enough. Good luck, and may the Force be with you.
Unless you're a purist and then one would argue if you make substitutions to save money, you don't have a UCS falcon anyway, you have some of the parts that make a UCS falcon and some parts that don't.

If you're going to make substitutions, then just buy a 7965 and think of it as a LOT OF SUBSTITUTIONS.
 
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Unless you're a purist and then one would argue if you make substitutions to save money, you don't have a UCS falcon anyway, you have some of the parts that make a UCS falcon and some parts that don't.

If you're going to make substitutions, then just buy a 7965 and think of it as a LOT OF SUBSTITUTIONS.
A purist wouldn't want to bricklink their set piece by piece anyway...that's not the same as buying a 10179 as was sold by Lego.
 
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my main concern is this:

When you buy a Master Replicas Millennium Falcon replica you pay around 3-4K (sometimes less if you are lucky, I have seen them go for LESS than a Lego set) to get something professionally painted and weathered, with working lights, etc..
The LEGO set is made of ABS. ABS - by nature of material - will EVENTUALLY fade to a yellowish shade even if you keep it in the dark all the time.. color deformation is not only caused by exposure to direct sunlight.. and ABS will change color no matter what..
I have a hard time understanding the investment there.. don't get me wrong.. I would LOVE to get the set if I could afford it.. because to be able to construct the falcon from simple bricks is the magic itself.. but I cannot/will not justify spending over 2K for something that will deteriorate in time...
 
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my main concern is this:

When you buy a Master Replicas Millennium Falcon replica you pay around 3-4K (sometimes less if you are lucky, I have seen them go for LESS than a Lego set) to get something professionally painted and weathered, with working lights, etc..
The LEGO set is made of ABS. ABS - by nature of material - will EVENTUALLY fade to a yellowish shade even if you keep it in the dark all the time.. color deformation is not only caused by exposure to direct sunlight.. and ABS will change color no matter what..
I have a hard time understanding the investment there.. don't get me wrong.. I would LOVE to get the set if I could afford it.. because to be able to construct the falcon from simple bricks is the magic itself.. but I cannot/will not justify spending over 2K for something that will deteriorate in time...

If you are thinking of it as an investment, at this point, this is probably not what you are looking for...and if it has to be, then you never take it out of the box.

Lego ages fairly well, sure, everything deteriorates over time. What do you think the master replicas falcon is made of?...I just looked it up....abs plastic and resin. I'd be more worried about paint fading than a solid color abs piece. But you are right in that it won't be as crisp and bright 20 or 30 years down the line.
 
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Nothing could ever be ruled out on this set being brought out again. How it sold before would have nothing to do with any of it. At one point I do expect to see this set again in one form or another. Cloud city on the other hand!? That's another story! :)
 
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I disagree that how something sells before doesn't affect or is used to predict how it will sell now or in the future. Yes, all these goods are like any commodity, their value goes up and down, past performance doesn't guarantee future returns, yadda, yadda, yadda, but LEGO does intensive market research to predict sales performance. You can bet they are looking at trends in awareness (and buying) to predict how a product will sell. That's why freakin' Batman is in every DC Superheroes set, to ensure (insure?) sales.

If you consider the logistics of putting together a set from the LEGO company point-of-view: There are product and project managers vying for production time on the LEGO assembly lines, which are tightly scheduled. When something like the UCS Falcon, the 2nd largest LEGO set ever, comes down the pipe, it's a juggernaut, affecting a lot of people and their projects and product lines. It's a big deal. That's why it's not done very often, and in the case of the UCS Falcon, probably never again.

In the history of LEGO, there have only been about two-handfuls of straight re-releases. There have been numerous re-makes of iconic Star Wars ships, but never a straight re-release (correct me if I'm wrong). Possibility of ESB or ROTJ UCS Falcon? zero-point-zero percent. Possibility of new trilogy Falcon? 0.001% (IMHO). If the Falcon even survives the first movie...I'm trying to stay away from spoilers, but I've read a few things...
 
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Actually just last year-(still on shelves) the Star Destroyer and the AT-AT were exactly the same builds-(Minus slight figure change) as before. That had never been done before. Meaning there is no research time. Hit the button and they are on the way. Saving them tons of money. Also we are heading in a direction of a Star Wars movie almost every year in the theater. History will have no factor.
 
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Actually just last year-(still on shelves) the Star Destroyer and the AT-AT were exactly the same builds-(Minus slight figure change) as before. That had never been done before.
Why do you think that? The at-at and ISD are not "exactly the same builds". Actually the ISD is a completely different model. The interior structure is completely different, the length/ size is different, heck you could fit a minifig in the bridge of the 2006 version. The at-at is close enough to being the same to make me not buy it but there are differences in the build.

Also, Lego has re-released the exact same model a few times. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is one of the early x-wings was rereleased exactly as it was before...I just checked, it was released in 99 and then 2002. I'm pretty sure the only thing that changed was the set # on the box. I know there were some others like that but I can't remember at the moment. Somone else will probably come up with 1 or 2 more...
 
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I don't know that the idea of re-releases deters Lego at all, particularly when the re-release isn't really a re-release, but is instead a (significant) update. They've already redone the UCS X-Wing. The builds are quite a bit different, but nonetheless one could argue this was a re-release. The ISD and AT-AT mentioned also fall in this category of re-release, with the ISD being a lot more altered from 6211 than the AT-AT is from its last incarnation. But Lego will also do re-releases that are almost unchanged, and I would reference the current Winter Village Toy Shop as an example. I would be curious to know if the fan response to a re-release in a very collectible line (Winter Village) would affect Lego's thought process of doing another very similar re-release in another very collectible line, like Star Wars.

IMO, the biggest argument against Lego ever re-releasing a UCS Falcon is price. Since the UCS Falcon was originally released, I don't think we've seen a set with a RRP greater than $400. And truthfully, with the exception of 10188, the ceiling seems to be $350. And 10188 was released so long ago, I think we can say that since 2009 there have been no sets released with a RRP greater than $350. This has to be a conscious decision on the part of TLG. Heck, we're even getting a Ghostbusters HQ, with 4600+ pieces, for $350. I'm certain Lego could have asked $400 on that set, but they're still coming in at $350. Admittedly, the $350 price tag puts the price per part ratio on par with other modular sets, but given the licensed nature, I think Lego could have gotten away with asking $400. So it really seems to me that $350 is the ceiling for sets these days. Add to that the fact that 10179 would probably cost $600+ at retail in today's market, and I just don't see a UCS Falcon happening again.

If they did release a new UCS Falcon, I'm afraid the part count would be so decreased from 10179 that it would be seen as a big step backwards from the original. I would also expect a pre-order like they did for 10179, particularly if the new UCS Falcon is anywhere close to the piece count or price of the original.
 
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Why is this true? I mean if put together with IDENTICAL pieces and the stickers etc, what difference would it make? from a purist's point of view? The box?
To me this sounds like nit picking...but this is what we are talking about as far as being a purist.
A purist would want the set as produced by Lego. Preferably unopened with the box and interior baggies like you mentioned.
Brick linked pieces might have an ever so slight difference in color/ uniformity or a difference in clutch power etc.

It is like saying a red 2x4 from the 80's is the same as a red 2 x4 from 2015. I think most Afols understand that is not the same. The new one will likely be crisper and brighter looking. Also, most pieces from the 80s had a much greater (very noticeable) clutch power difference.

i don't consider myself a purist but I admit that I tend to turn my nose up a little bit at those sets that, I'm sure we have all seen if you have been to a Lego convention, are being sold as complete but are basically brick linked sets with instruction that come in some sort of sealed bag that have been pieced together.
 
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Actually what you write makes total sense.. ABS dicolours whether you want it or not.. So a new set would LOOK different visually and it justifies the purist's point of view.. I will never have the bucks for a new set and even if I did, I would spend it on an MR MF for sure!

To me this sounds like nit picking...but this is what we are talking about as far as being a purist.
A purist would want the set as produced by Lego. Preferably unopened with the box and interior baggies like you mentioned.
Brick linked pieces might have an ever so slight difference in color/ uniformity or a difference in clutch power etc.

It is like saying a red 2x4 from the 80's is the same as a red 2 x4 from 2015. I think most Afols understand that is not the same. The new one will likely be crisper and brighter looking. Also, most pieces from the 80s had a much greater (very noticeable) clutch power difference.

i don't consider myself a purist but I admit that I tend to turn my nose up a little bit at those sets that, I'm sure we have all seen if you have been to a Lego convention, are being sold as complete but are basically brick linked sets with instruction that come in some sort of sealed bag that have been pieced together.
 

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Oh I hope this re-release does happen!!! And with the modular changes so it fits in with the sequel trilogy! Both Dishes, OT minifigs, ST minifigs.
 

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The Falcon wasn't a limited item.
Initially it was - the demand on injection moulds and processing time meant that LEGO was hesitant about devoting so much resources to what could amount an expensive white elephant. This is why the first 500 (or whatever the number was) had the 1st edition logo and came with a numbered COA. There was no guarantee that the run would be extended.

Those who took a punt on the initial release are getting big returns now.
 
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at the end of the day, I still question the act of 'buying something for the sole purpose of being able to sell it for 10x price' as a business. I know legally there is nothing wrong with it, but there is a thin line there.. Some people make a living out of this and the collateral damage is all on us..
You might be a collector and buy stuff with the purpose of keeping it, and one day you decide you don't want to keep it anymore and then you realize its price has skyrocketed and you decide to let it go and have some good money in return. I understand that.. What I don't understand is a single person who buys 25 sets of UCS MF and keeps them for 4 years to be able to sell them for 10x price. For me, there is something ethically terribly wrong with this act.
If there wasn't enough product to go around for 1 to 3 years before a set goes out of print, I'd agree. But if you have the money and the space, buying LEGO and sitting on it should be fair game. In a sense, those people are the only reason that there's lots of this stuff available later on, even if the cost goes up.

Honestly, I don't see how it's any different than the stock market - You buy shares of something, hold them for an indeterminate period of time, and then sell them at a profit or a loss.

The only real differences are that LEGO requires space, and is arguably less risky.


As for the Falcon, I bought mine for $500, but don't plan on ever selling it - so a re-release would be fine with me. That said, I'd much rather get a UCS A-Wing before we start talking about re-do's.
 
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That said, I'd much rather get a UCS A-Wing before we start talking about re-do's.[/QUOTE!

I think you are a bit late for that request - 10188 owners are kicking themselves. An eight month window between reboots just isn't enough.

But I agree with you - an original UCS set would trump a cobbled together playset, re-release or another re-release.
 
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