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Thread: So what made these variants hard to get ?

  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by porkinsred6 View Post
    DT Luke was only available in some of the early bird kits, I'm not even sure if it was half. A few left overs were put on cards. The Ben and Vaders are much more rare since they weren't in the early bird so only a few of the earliest 12-As got DT ben and vader. VCJ switched around the time of 12-B. Most VCJ were on 12-A there are a few 12-Bs but they are rare. conversely it's pretty hard to find a cloth cape jawa on a 12-A.

    Red bar r5s have been seen on 21-As all the way through to ROTJ and even some foreign cards. I'm not up on the current theory of how it happened but it seems to have been continually produced in small numbers throughout the whole run.
    There are VC jawas on 12 back C cards, there's even a sealed example with a Harbert sticker sold by vectis in 2017

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by gerrit View Post
    There are VC jawas on 12 back C cards, there's even a sealed example with a Harbert sticker sold by vectis in 2017
    I believe that figure was later rejected by CIB/AFA. it is likely the back was married to the front

  3. #13
    This is the message Mr. Tann posted about this item on the 12 back facebook group
    June 20, 2017
    I wanted to write a post to update on this 12C VCJ Harbert sticker that was marketed and sold through Vectis.

    Ultimately the item was rejected by AFA and CIB due to having too many red flags. In Tom Derby's own words:

    "Those include the fact that the two layers of cardboard separate when touched lightly, are two different shades of brown/grey cardboard, and that the presence of glue can be detected.

    My understanding is that Vectis acknowledges that a spot has been reglued, but believes the owner was just repairing a spot that came apart due to moisture. So at a minimum I believe everyone acknowledges restoration.
    It is also my understanding that Vectis doesn't believe it's possible to combine a card front and back, I've seen roughly a dozen carded figures over the years that people thought were prototypes because moisture caused the back to cleanly and neatly release from the front, leaving carded figures with smooth brown blank cardboard backs, which were then half the overall thickness. If this happens naturally at times, it could certainly be accomplished if this were someone's goal.

    Nobody can say 100% that the entire thing is reglued, but given it's a 12C, cardboard color doesn't even match and comes apart so easily, I think the odds strongly suggest that it's a fake. Best case scenario this is restoration, but it could also be that a card front from one card was combined with a card back from another. Either way it's ineligible for grading and has way too many red flags for authentication."

  4. #14
    Thanks for clearing that up, i thought the only thing debatable about that piece was the sticker. When the first opened example of a Harbert stickered vc Jawa appeared in 2013 https://starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopi...18859&start=30 Jason West confirmed that VC jawas had been found before on 12 back c's.

  5. #15
    Wow! What some people will do goes way beyond my comprehensive.

    Maybe I would have just sent him off loose for grading rather than pulling a fast one.
    F.S.C.M.E. Vintage Toy Collector. TOYMANS FEEDBACK http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1113796/

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by gerrit View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up, i thought the only thing debatable about that piece was the sticker. When the first opened example of a Harbert stickered vc Jawa appeared in 2013 https://starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopi...18859&start=30 Jason West confirmed that VC jawas had been found before on 12 back c's.

    I would think is quite possible seeing how these were assembled in factory lines by humans. If the figures were made and placed in boxes till they can be placed in the cards, I would think human error or neglect (meaning they missed a box or the boxes holding the assembled figures fell in a corner ) they would end up in different cards.
    F.S.C.M.E. Vintage Toy Collector. TOYMANS FEEDBACK http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1113796/

  7. #17
    I was surprised CIB even tried to authenticate it as a Harbert VC jawa, without provenence nobody can tell who put the sticker on the card or when or where it was applied.

  8. #18
    So the red bar R5 has also been on other cards? No rhyme or reason?
    F.S.C.M.E. Vintage Toy Collector. TOYMANS FEEDBACK http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1113796/

  9. #19
    sorry I was on vacation.

    List of known red bar cardbacks (at least that I'm aware of...)

    21 A
    21 C
    47 A
    48 E
    65 B
    77 A
    Harbert 12 back

  10. #20
    I got lucky and found a hollow cheek tusken for 100 buy it now. I used my CC rewards to pay for it. Loose of course. We will see about the red bar . Price needs to be right.
    F.S.C.M.E. Vintage Toy Collector. TOYMANS FEEDBACK http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1113796/

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