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Thread: Thor 4 - Love and Thunder

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    Seems Portman is back. I def. think she saw Ragnarok at some point and was like, "Damn it! I wish I didn't bail," but she clearly had a terrible time on Dark World.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

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    I'm going to have a freaking heart attack by what they just announced...and confirmed. FF is coming. X-Men is coming. Shang Chi: Legend of the Ten Rings means REAL Mandarin, my theory was right! Black Widow! Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness! MIND BLOWN!
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

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    Yeah, it's just so much awesome to take in all at once. Shame there was absolutely no mention yet of GOTG Vol.3, but at least we know it's coming.

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    I had heard about this a several days ago and was waiting for the official word. Hemsworth must have known about this when he was contacted about doing He-man, because the reason he gave for turning it down was that it's too similar to Thor. Yet he's returning to Thor. lol

    I was thinking he might appear in GOTG 3, based on Endgame. Ragnarok went out on such a high note, that I hope it doesn't bite them in the backside doing a 4th. Especially since Portman is back, one of the reasons I thought made Dark World abysmal. IMO she just doesn't seem to fit into that world.

    But we'll see.
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    at first glance this premise seems utterly ridiculous.
    how can a mortal (non-asgardian) be the asgardian god of thunder? that seems a bit far fetched.

    but Taika Waititi makes 'far fetched' look normal. 'utterly ridiculous' is sort of, his thing.
    so... I'm just gonna roll with it. I'm sure he'll make it work.


    Dark World took itself too seriously. and Portman was basically just a damsel-in-distress.
    it was kind of insulting, for an actress of her caliber. I can see why she quit.

    --> giving her The Hammer is the sort of thing that would pique her interest and bring her back to the fold.
    at the very least, her character gets to DO something....

    ....but I agree with MasterFett, she's not really suited for this kind of work. she did her best work in Black Swan. (IMO)
    its going to be strange , watching her 'ham it up' in a Taika Waititi Thor film.

    this is gonna be... weird. (hopefully in a good way).
    Last edited by Cobalt60; 07-22-2019 at 02:32 AM.
    "Is there anyone on this ship, who even remotely, looks like Satan?" -- James Kirk, U.S.S. Enterprise.

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    Personally, I would think Thor's presence would be necessary in GOTG 3, which I assume wasn't mentioned here because it was supposed to have already been in production by now anyway. Since Adam Warlock is supposed to be the main villain in that one, it would make perfect sense that the Guardians would need Thor's powers to help defeat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobalt60 View Post
    at first glance this premise seems utterly ridiculous.
    how can a mortal (non-asgardian) be the asgardian god of thunder? that seems a bit far fetched.

    but Taika Waititi makes 'far fetched' look normal. 'utterly ridiculous' is sort of, his thing.
    so... I'm just gonna roll with it. I'm sure he'll make it work.


    Dark World took itself too seriously. and Portman was basically just a damsel-in-distress.
    it was kind of insulting, for an actress of her caliber. I can see why she quit.

    --> giving her The Hammer is the sort of thing that would pique her interest and bring her back to the fold.
    at the very least, her character gets to DO something....

    ....but I agree with MasterFett, she's not really suited for this kind of work. she did her best work in Black Swan. (IMO)
    its going to be strange , watching her 'ham it up' in a Taika Waititi Thor film.

    this is gonna be... weird. (hopefully in a good way).

    Thor history at Marvel is really complicated. I'm no Thor expert but I'll share what I DO know. For ages Thor WAS a mortal named Dr. Donald Blake, so that isn't really a brand new concept. It was really convoluted. He'd basically stomp his cane and transform into Thor. He also had these strange established rules that are long gone; things like if his hammer wasn't in his hands for a short amount of time, I don't remember that actual length but say like a minute, he'd transform back into Blake. It was always confusing as to whether or not he was like...possessed by Thor or he retained his consciousness in the body of Thor or what the heck was really happening. I don't remember it ever really being thoroughly explained. But I know eventually, I want to say writer Walt Simonson, decided to simplify it and just have Thor be...well...Thor. The whole Donald Blake alter-ego thing was ditched. You know, I don't really know what ever happened to Blake, if he just went off to do doctor stuff somewhere else and hang the hammer and helmet up, if he was killed off, or if he was basically just written out of continuity like he never happened.

    But I guess that original Thor is sort of what inspired the Jane Foster Thor identity idea. It never really meshed with me. Back in my day, we had a female Thor. Her name was Valkyrie. I just see this as another pseudo-agenda driven ploy like the new Ghostbusters or Oceans 11. They never work out as planned, they feel like spoon feeding a sort of ethical diversity value instead of just having that be organic. A great case in point of how to and how not to do that is, say Ripley vs. the female Ghostbusters. The fact Ripley is female is never really in question. She just IS. Portman can be a phenomenal actress, but with these big blockbuster type movies, she always seems to be phoning it in. Especially in Marvel movies. I like Taika a lot too, I absolutely expected to HATE Ragnarok, it looked so goofy. But I ended up LOVING it! But the angle they're going with Thor is just bizarre. Honestly, I always thought Thor was an out there idea to begin with. A literal archaic Norse God fighting criminals in modern day New York. Wha? The more comic accurate character was clearly not resonating with audiences, he was always the weak link in the MCU for me, so they just basically adopted a "F*** IT" mentality with him. First they make him just a giant goofball, then make him basically more a cosmic character as opposed to Asgardian (he's literally going off with the Guardians now), then they make him a depressed fat alcoholic, which on paper should NEVER have worked. Yet it SOMEHOW did! He went from a clear lower-tier character, no one's favorite, to a crowd favorite. Now they're going the female Thor angle, one I don't like, but if done properly like Ragnarok (which like I said...I expected to hate) it's possible to work out. I just don't get how we're getting Jane Foster Thor BEFORE Beta Ray Bill. With the Thor and Avenger movies making Thor much more a cosmic entity, I just assumed that was the inevitable lead in to Beta Ray. Guess not...count me disappointed. Not to mention that Jane Foster is a totally bland and generic role in the MCU. No one particularly was asking for her return, no one seemed to miss her at all. How are they going to re-introduce her and somehow make her this HUGE presence now? And so help me God, if they bring back Darcy. Oh God...
    Last edited by MysterioMaximus; 07-22-2019 at 05:44 PM.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

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    re: "how?" from what I can gather, Thor goes on a bender and becomes Unworthy (as we've seen) -- she picks up the hammer for herself and takes care of business, (because) he flakes out and drops the ball -- it falls upon his girlfriend, to heal his psyche and make him rediscover his own self-worth again. (this paves the way for "Hero Thor" to return, and replace "Alcoholic Thor" -- thus returning us back to the character's status quo again, after his "bender-arc" in endgame) -- in short: he's a Drunk, but she loves him anyways.. her Love rescues him.. hence the title).

    orsomethinglikethat.
    Last edited by Cobalt60; 07-22-2019 at 05:19 PM.
    "Is there anyone on this ship, who even remotely, looks like Satan?" -- James Kirk, U.S.S. Enterprise.

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    I could potentially see that working. Still not a huge fan though. Even at best case scenario, it's not where I would have gone with the franchise. Like I said, growing up...we did have a female Thor. Her name was Valkyrie. Hah! Instead of tokenizing a pre-established male role, why wouldn't they just roll with the already established original female role that can serve a similar narrative purpose? A Valkyrie movie was, to me, the better way to go. Now I will say, some "tokenized" roles work. War Machine works, She-Hulk works, but personally I never cared much for copy characters that are just gender swapped, race swapped, or kid variants of other established and more iconic characters. It's why I much prefer the brand new and original "diverse" characters like Falcon, Panther, Storm, etc. They're their own unique thing instead of piggy-backing off the success of another more popular character. Like it's one of the reasons why I was never a big Teen Titans fan. Why would I read Kid Flash, Superboy, or Ms. Martian when I can read Flash, Superman, and Martian Manhunter? I guess they have their audience that that appeals to, but it's never really been for me.
    Last edited by MysterioMaximus; 07-22-2019 at 07:35 PM.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

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