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  1. #11
    My question about Jane Foster Thor is going to be how she gains the mantle of Thor (which I guess is a mantle now, and not Thor's identity). If she just picks up Mjolnir and is found worthy, thus transforming into Thor, then that would beg the question of why Captain America didn't transform into Thor in Endgame. So, obviously the rules of Mjolnir are going to have to change (assuming that was how it worked in the MCU in the first place).

    Seeing the photos of Natalie Portman holding Thor's hammer, I can't help but notice how uncomfortable she appeared. Mjolnir looked like a comically oversized clown-hammer in her tiny, little hand and she seemed to be just waiting for someone to come and take it from her before her string-bean arm gave out.
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  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    My question about Jane Foster Thor is going to be how she gains the mantle of Thor (which I guess is a mantle now, and not Thor's identity). If she just picks up Mjolnir and is found worthy, thus transforming into Thor, then that would beg the question of why Captain America didn't transform into Thor in Endgame. So, obviously the rules of Mjolnir are going to have to change (assuming that was how it worked in the MCU in the first place).

    Seeing the photos of Natalie Portman holding Thor's hammer, I can't help but notice how uncomfortable she appeared. Mjolnir looked like a comically oversized clown-hammer in her tiny, little hand and she seemed to be just waiting for someone to come and take it from her before her string-bean arm gave out.
    I was actually also thinking both these things. I always felt like Portman somewhat regretted joining the MCU. She just always seemed so...what's the word? Unenthusiastic! Like she doesn't put all her effort in or really take this very seriously. It's almost like she's embarrassed by the whole thing...so I really am shocked to see her return. But like said, it doesn't seem like much has really changed. She looks as uncomfortable as ever. Plus what WILL change, her becoming Thor, as you said, kind of doesn't make sense within the established film lore. They completely omitted Donald Blake from the films, but now they're going to use that lore to create Jane Thor? Huh? Like said, why wouldn't Cap have turned then? It just feels like they're going for the Jane Foster Thor to promote Hollywood's hip and modern diversity angle more than actually wanting to make the best story progression. A Valkyrie movie would have made so much more sense.
    Last edited by MysterioMaximus; 07-22-2019 at 07:44 PM.
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  3. #13
    Agreed, i'd rather they go with Valkyrie in some way.

    Portman as Jane Foster Thor just seems ridiculous to me. I can't help but see "I can't believe I'm doing this **** right now" expression in almost every scene with her. It's almost the same as her "you've gotta be joking me right now" look from the PT.

    IMO, she should have been one of people who disappeared in the blip. And came back recast.
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  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Masterfett View Post
    Agreed, i'd rather they go with Valkyrie in some way.

    Portman as Jane Foster Thor just seems ridiculous to me. I can't help but see "I can't believe I'm doing this **** right now" expression in almost every scene with her. It's almost the same as her "you've gotta be joking me right now" look from the PT.

    IMO, she should have been one of people who disappeared in the blip. And came back recast.
    Exactly! She never seemed to enjoy doing these movies, which translated to her character not being particularly memorable or beloved. Little to no one seems to care or notice she was missing in Ragnarok. Portman is like two actresses. There's the Blockbuster Portman who's in Marvel and Star Wars, among her absolute worst work. Wooden, generic, phoned in. Then there's arthouse Portman who's phenomenal in things like Black Swan, Annihilation, and The Professional. You can really tell when she's doing a movie for a paycheck. It's almost like she feels pigeon-held into having to do projects she has no actual passion for. She clearly wants to do arthouse films or more cerebral stuff, but always seems to find herself involved in projects she just doesn't seem to put any real effort into. I wish she'd just stick to what she's good at. So now, I feel like we are stuck with a Jane Foster Thor movie coming that no one asked for and even the star has no enthusiasm for making. That doesn't bode well.
    Last edited by MysterioMaximus; 07-22-2019 at 08:57 PM.
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  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Masterfett View Post
    I had heard about this a several days ago and was waiting for the official word. Hemsworth must have known about this when he was contacted about doing He-man, because the reason he gave for turning it down was that it's too similar to Thor. Yet he's returning to Thor. lol

    I was thinking he might appear in GOTG 3, based on Endgame. Ragnarok went out on such a high note, that I hope it doesn't bite them in the backside doing a 4th. Especially since Portman is back, one of the reasons I thought made Dark World abysmal. IMO she just doesn't seem to fit into that world.

    But we'll see.
    It's because portman is a terrible actress.
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  6. #16
    I wouldn't say she's terrible, I think it's more a case of she's terrible in certain things. Jane Foster is easily one of the most forgettable characters in the MCU. No one really cared. I'm fairly sure Portman never really cared! So this really is somewhat baffling as to why they went this road when they already have someone who is, essentially, the equivalent of a female Thor, Valkyrie, and even ESTABLISHED HER as the ruler of Asgard in Endgame. I thought that was the CLEAR lead into a Valkyrie movie. So this, well, this just seems out of the blue. Now a lot of people are discussing the "woke" aspects of the MCU Phase 4 announcements, it's fairly controversial. But honestly, I like most of what has been announced. I like seeing Blade, Shang Chi with the REAL Mandarin, love that the solo Widow movie is shaping up to a Winter Soldier-like spy epic with Taskmaster, Dr. Strange 2 I'm a little worried about since the Multiverse can def. explode into misusing things majorly but I have faith as I'm thrilled it's confirmed basically a horror film with Scarlet Witch and Nightmare, I love that Falcon and the Winter Soldier is reintroducing Zemo IN costume, Eternals I don't really have much passion for though, and of course I'm stoked for Fantastic Four and X-Men so LONG as they keep them comic accurate. It means, eventually, Magneto, Doom, Surfer, Galactus, and Namor will more than likely also be introduced. Thor: Love and Thunder is about the only thing I'm VERY concerned about.
    Last edited by MysterioMaximus; 07-22-2019 at 10:02 PM.
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  7. #17
    She's just a bad actress. She's one of those actor/actresses that struck gold early on with a role and got a lot of hype.
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  8. #18
    She just played Jackie Kennedy and I'd say that was pretty good. Honestly I don't think she knows what to do with the genre movies. Like, she takes them too seriously or something? They are supposed to be fun! That being said, she starred in a sci fi movie just this year that got good reviews.
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  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerfherder View Post
    She just played Jackie Kennedy and I'd say that was pretty good. Honestly I don't think she knows what to do with the genre movies. Like, she takes them too seriously or something? They are supposed to be fun! That being said, she starred in a sci fi movie just this year that got good reviews.
    Could be she takes them too seriously, but also could be not seriously enough. Like I said, she just always seems to phone in her roles in blockbuster-type films. But I do agree, she was very good in Annihilation, the sci-fi I assume you're referencing, but there's kind of a difference. While I wouldn't call in an Indie flick like some like Black Swan kind of is, which even that really isn't Indie, Annihilation def. has art-house qualities. It's much more akin to something like Bladerunner or Arrival than it is something like Star Wars or Independence Day. That's just what she seems to thrive in, more cerebral content. When it's popcorn flick she stars in, she just comes off like there's little effort put in on her part.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by MysterioMaximus View Post
    Exactly! She never seemed to enjoy doing these movies, which translated to her character not being particularly memorable or beloved.
    Portman is like two actresses. There's the Blockbuster Portman who's in Marvel and Star Wars, among her absolute worst work. Wooden, generic, phoned in. Then there's arthouse Portman who's phenomenal in things like Black Swan, Annihilation, and The Professional.
    She clearly wants to do arthouse films or more cerebral stuff, but always seems to find herself involved in projects she just doesn't seem to put any real effort into. I wish she'd just stick to what she's good at. So now, I feel like we are stuck with a Jane Foster Thor movie coming that no one asked for and even the star has no enthusiasm for making. That doesn't bode well.
    Of her Movies outside of SW and MCU, I've only seen her in the Professional. And I thought that she did very well in that role. FF to her adult career, and I'm pretty much letdown. That one performance, for me, seems to be her one shining star. I think that because she was good in a few movies that, Hollywood just feels she'll work in anything. Or perhaps some people simply adore her no matter what and try to giver her work just because. To date her resume just doesn't support some of the casting decisions that have been made. I have no ill will toward her, but maybe she should just stick to certain movies. Not everyone is multi-talented.

    I'd seriously like to know who's in charge of casting sometimes, and how they let this stuff slip by. While at SW under GL I can forgive because he's not the best at getting performances out of people.
    That was 15+ years ago. If she cannot deliver better facial expressions by now, someone should have noticed.


    Also, it still seems like Disney struggles to hire nobody's for some of these roles. Angelina Jolie? Out of all their casting announcements, not too many are what I'd consider unheard of.
    Going forward with less recognizable characters, i would have thought that saving casting budget would be in order. By casting more unknowns. On the flip side maybe having Box Office stars is the only thing that will draw people in to watch the Eternals. It seem to work for Inhumans.
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