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Thread: Stormtroopers in The Empire Strikes Back

  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by MysterioMaximus View Post
    Essentially. Snowtroopers have always been strange to me. They're easily the least used on screen of the four (sand, regular, snow, scout) troopers. They barely get any screen time and don't really do much. Their main scene would probably be when they're flanking Vader in Echo base and the Falcon gun takes them out. I guess technically there is a fifth type of trooper in the OT, that being the space trooper, and it's probably seen for less than three seconds. And really they're just regular stormtroopers with an oxygen tank.
    Don't forget the AT-AT Driver Troopers.

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by CellBlock1138 View Post
    The way I understand it (and this is subject to change cos Disney keep introducing new troopers to sell toys) is that the Stormtrooper Corps are a semi independent arm of Imperial special forces, as it were. With further subdivisions of specialised personnel, such as troops trained for extreme conditions, like Sandtroopers and Snowtroopers, with the ultimate expression of the Stormtrooper Corps being the Imperial Royal Guard.

    This was all more contained and sensible before all the EU junk started adding loads of nonsense to the mix and it's even worse now with Disney's junk added as well.

    The Empire now have more troop variations (toys) than they know what to do with.
    It has become somewhat convoluted, hasn't it? I loved Rogue One, but honestly? Way too much convenience as far as NEW ships/troopers that JUST SO HAPPEN to never be seen in the OT. It retroactively makes no sense. I mean I can justify the Death Troopers mostly, they're a super elite and top secret experimental off-shoot. So perhaps they were ONLY used this one time and then funding pulled the plug and the program was cancelled. But like, that new TIE, the other new troopers, the new tank? Then you throw in Solo as well and there's even more! Honestly, if I had my way, they'd have predominately been just regular old Stormtroopers.

    Now here's a question: what is ranking? Are Stormtroopers bottom of the barrel? I would assume the bottom of rank would be like, say, scanning crew members and such. But like, do the specialized stormtroopers outrank the regular variety? I would assume even the lowest tier officer outranks all of them. Where do Death Star troopers and pilots/drivers rank? And for troopers, I would assume top dog to be the Royal Guard.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by MysterioMaximus View Post
    It has become somewhat convoluted, hasn't it? I loved Rogue One, but honestly? Way too much convenience as far as NEW ships/troopers that JUST SO HAPPEN to never be seen in the OT. It retroactively makes no sense. I mean I can justify the Death Troopers mostly, they're a super elite and top secret experimental off-shoot. So perhaps they were ONLY used this one time and then funding pulled the plug and the program was cancelled. But like, that new TIE, the other new troopers, the new tank? Then you throw in Solo as well and there's even more! Honestly, if I had my way, they'd have predominately been just regular old Stormtroopers.

    Now here's a question: what is ranking? Are Stormtroopers bottom of the barrel? I would assume the bottom of rank would be like, say, scanning crew members and such. But like, do the specialized stormtroopers outrank the regular variety? I would assume even the lowest tier officer outranks all of them. Where do Death Star troopers and pilots/drivers rank? And for troopers, I would assume top dog to be the Royal Guard.
    This higharchy is interesting. The empire also has separate branches of service, primarily Army and Navy.

    In my head cannon, the guys wearing the big black helmets are the Imperial Naval troopers (old Kenner figure “Death Squad Commander”). They had grey uniforms too. You also see them in garrisons, the Death Star, Star Destroyers, etc.

    Typical white Stormtroopers of almost any variant seem to be Army. Exception seems tone Black helmeted TIE pilots.

    That said, I’d be happy if someone could point me to a better official guide.


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  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by MysterioMaximus View Post
    It has become somewhat convoluted, hasn't it? I loved Rogue One, but honestly? Way too much convenience as far as NEW ships/troopers that JUST SO HAPPEN to never be seen in the OT. It retroactively makes no sense. I mean I can justify the Death Troopers mostly, they're a super elite and top secret experimental off-shoot. So perhaps they were ONLY used this one time and then funding pulled the plug and the program was cancelled. But like, that new TIE, the other new troopers, the new tank? Then you throw in Solo as well and there's even more! Honestly, if I had my way, they'd have predominately been just regular old Stormtroopers.

    Now here's a question: what is ranking? Are Stormtroopers bottom of the barrel? I would assume the bottom of rank would be like, say, scanning crew members and such. But like, do the specialized stormtroopers outrank the regular variety? I would assume even the lowest tier officer outranks all of them. Where do Death Star troopers and pilots/drivers rank? And for troopers, I would assume top dog to be the Royal Guard.
    'Rogue One' was great, but yeh, we didn't really need the "shore troopers" or "Death Troopers", as cool as they looked. But, I let it slide. A couple of new additions were fine. Then 'Solo' comes along and there's bleedin more stuff. "Mud Troopers"...WTF? "Mimban Troopers"? It's just bloody silly now.

    I reckon the so called "Mud Troopers" or "Swamp Troopers" are the bottom feeders. Recruits of NCO's and enlisted men who are thrown into battle after six months basic boot camp training. The grunts of the army as such. Then you have the Imperial Navy types, "Death Star Troopers" and pilots and whatnot. Then there's the stormtrooper corps, who are essentially their own hierarchy. They are also the guys we see in the black uniforms on the Death Star. This is the uniform they wear when not in action.






    After that, there are the mechanised personnel, like AT AT Drivers, AT ST Drivers and such. The Royal Guard are supposed to be ex Stormtroopers, who volunteer for Imperial Guard Duty and have to go through rigorous training for the honour.

    As for specialised Stormtroopers, I don't think they have any sway over a normal stormtrooper if they of the same rank. However, I would guess a Sandtrooper Sergeant...





    ...could give orders to a run of the mill Stormtrooper of a lower rank.

    Of course, this is all purely hypothetical nonsense. There's probably zero real data on any of it to back up this rubbish.
    Last edited by CellBlock1138; 06-07-2019 at 03:19 PM.

  5. #15
    Yeah I'm really not sure if there is an official rank system either, but we can assume some of it. The Emperor is obviously the highest authority, Grand Moff being second, Moff third. If I remember right, Vader is an exception to the chain of command. He's like outside the system, but I assume he'd be considered (comparatively) Grand Moff level authority.

    As for the troopers, I just assume the Royal Guard are the most dignified position. I really don't know if pilots and operations drivers would be of higher level than stormtroopers (even the specialized), but I would assume they are. It's more responsibility, heavy machinery and such. More training I'd imagine.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by MysterioMaximus View Post
    I guess technically there is a fifth type of trooper in the OT, that being the space trooper, and it's probably seen for less than three seconds. And really they're just regular stormtroopers with an oxygen tank.
    Wow, I don't think I ever really noticed the spacetroopers. Are they in the original version or only the special edition? I found the scene where they appear on YouTube, when the Millennium Falcon first enters the Death Star, but wasn't sure if it was original or special (I'm too lazy to fire up my VCR and fast forward to the scene on my 1995 VHS copy).

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by ZevSenesca View Post
    Wow, I don't think I ever really noticed the spacetroopers. Are they in the original version or only the special edition? I found the scene where they appear on YouTube, when the Millennium Falcon first enters the Death Star, but wasn't sure if it was original or special (I'm too lazy to fire up my VCR and fast forward to the scene on my 1995 VHS copy).
    You know, I actually don't know if it's original original or special edition. I honestly never even noticed them either until Hasbro actually made a figure of one. One neat thing I found out though is that concept artist and eventually film director Joe Johnson played the Spacetroopers in the film.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  8. #18
    Watching the movie for the 1st time I was very happy to see the old stormtroopers. I was an 80s kid & expected new troops to sell toys. Behind the scenes it might have been an ask from Kenner since I know they were excited when the at at showed up in Jedi. Huge money maker for them to re use the older products.
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  9. #19
    The space troopers are in the original cut of the film. They're just some lads knocking about outside the death star when the falcon is being tractor beamed in.


  10. #20
    Thanks for informing. I honestly couldn't find anywhere online if the space troopers were originals or SE (and subsequent altered releases) and totally not from lack of trying. I basically gave up, essentially saying the only way I'll know is if I actually owned and watch the 1977 cut. Sadly I don't own it. But yeah, at the end of the day, they're less their own troopers and more just stormtroopers with added gear. Which really, end of the day, are what the Sandtroopers are too.
    Last edited by MysterioMaximus; 06-09-2019 at 02:14 AM.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

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