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Thread: The Darth Maul Problem...

  1. #11
    ^^^ Realistically, George likely only remembered Christopher because of his supreme performance in the LOTR trilogy (that would steal the thunder from his Prequel LOL).

    Like many components of TPM, Maul was brimming with potential— and may be one of the few characterizations that actually worked well, in his minimal appearance and even more minimal speaking parts. All the Sithy one-note replacements after Maul seemed to be a classic case of marketing-by-trend process: AS mentioned, Dooku was George realizing just how effective and effortless Christopher is as a villain because of his supreme performance in the LOTR. But his lack of writing and directing skills just couldn’t create an interesting character— even if it was Christopher performing it. George's initial casting of a female Sith would have been far far far superior— visually and narratively (even to the point of playing the seductress to an impressionable Anakin), and likely yielded more potential than Maul: Her concept art designs were stunning. However, that would mean George would have to make the effort to write and direct a new character. And George seemed to had become complacent by the time of AOTC (I always got the impression the backlash for TPM really hurt, and angered him. And he seemed so removed of any passion and heart afterwards): Everything about AOTC was desperately, mechanically pandering. AOTC doesn’t even look like it belonged in the same rich universe that TPM introduced. And by the time of ROTS, Grievous was a silly toy in a videogame of a movie.

    Maul was well-utiliazed in TPM. Less is more, and George was so confident and in his element that he made the audience want more of Maul. And rightfully didn’t give it to them. Selfish-George who didn’t give in to his fans, is my fav George: that’s the visionary maverick. It’s just too bad Maul is carelessly polluting everything post-TPM. He really should have remained dead.

    (I adore the design of Maul, and nothing has come close to his design with any new Sith: Timeless, primal, visceral, graphic, seductive, regal and such an elegant addition to the Sith design vocabulary of a more “civilized age” of AGFFA. TPM’s design is pure visionary and remains untouched 20 years later. If it’s true that the GOT duo is setting their trilogy at the era of The Old Republic, they'd be smart to keep the design aesthetic in the tone of TPM’s— just with more GOT-esque armoury. TPM’s was pure high design bliss.)
    Last edited by farmer; 03-30-2019 at 01:07 PM.

  2. #12
    Verrry interesting cobalt. The thing is if you combine them its merely a swap out instead of a search. But could make for better story telling.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by CellBlock1138 View Post
    I've always thought the prequels were incredibly dumb films, but I thought Darth Maul was a brilliant creation. He's probably the best thing about 'The Phantom Menace' and to kill him off showed a real lack of understanding from George Lucas, who once had the wherewithal to keep Darth Vader (another henchman) intact at the end of his 1977 film, even though he thought the chances of a sequel to 'Star Wars' were slim enough.
    Yeah but it is the same guy that gave Boba Fett a very unceremoniously lame death as well. So the Darth Maul thing seems pretty much in-line with the way Lucas did things. Same could be said for Jango.

    If Lucas hadn't already decided that Vader was kind of the "hidden main character" of the overall story, I'm sure he would've died in the trench.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by King_Goji View Post
    Yeah but it is the same guy that gave Boba Fett a very unceremoniously lame death as well. So the Darth Maul thing seems pretty much in-line with the way Lucas did things. Same could be said for Jango.
    But Boba Fett was only ever a side character. He was never supposed to be anything more than just some bloke that Vader hired. It was fandom, alone, that turned Fett into the, to be honest, silly nonsense we get today.

    You could say that Maul was only a side character, but he was the only real antagonist in TPM. Palpatine was in the background and still being portrayed as an honest merchant. He was still in the background for AOTC, which is why Dooku had to be created. But with the knowledge that Lucas had attained with the Fett situation in the 80's, you'd think he'd have been more aware in 1999 and not made the same "mistake" he did with Boba. although, I don't think there was any actual mistake made. Boba Fett died. People need to get over it. Personally, I've never had any issue with the way he died or that he died. He's just some bad guy in fancy suit of armour.

    Plus, Fett died in ROTJ because that was the end of the trilogy. There wasn't gong to be any more adventures in that period and keeping him alive just would have looked weird, especially when Vader and the Emperor were dead. He just would have been a loose end to most of the audience. In any case, by 1983, Lucas had desired to return to an earlier period if another set of Star Wars films were ever to be made. So Fett was surplus to requirements. TPM was the start of a new trilogy and one that was actually PLANNED as a trilogy, so in this instance killing off such an obviously great bad guy was a terrible idea.

    It was an incredible lack of foresight on behalf of Lucas.

    Quote Originally Posted by King_Goji View Post
    If Lucas hadn't already decided that Vader was kind of the "hidden main character" of the overall story, I'm sure he would've died in the trench.
    He hadn't decided that in 1977. In fact, he was nowhere near to such an idea.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by King_Goji View Post
    Yeah but it is the same guy that gave Boba Fett a very unceremoniously lame death as well. So the Darth Maul thing seems pretty much in-line with the way Lucas did things. Same could be said for Jango.

    If Lucas hadn't already decided that Vader was kind of the "hidden main character" of the overall story, I'm sure he would've died in the trench.
    Like Cellblock said, I don't really think Boba can be applied here. Boba was clearly a subsidiary character and while ultimately Maul was too, I think we're arguing that Maul shouldn't have been. While Boba being relegated to a fairly minor role makes sense, Maul just sort of doesn't. At least not to me. He was THE immediate villain. I think a better comparison would be if Lucas killed Vader at the end of ANH but STILL kept going with the films.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  6. #16
    Hello!
    I fully agree with your point of view!
    I think that Darth Maul was just the benchmark for the bad guy in the film. Even his appearance - sharp horns, aggressive black - red tattoo, style of fighting with double light saber. Everything seemed to tell us in his appearance - I am a villain and I want to kill you. But hell, even his small appearance made him one of the most colorful characters! It is a pity that he was so badly revealed - this is one of the most potential characters in the universe in my opinion

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