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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by farmer View Post
    Getting minor details wrong— most notably songs that were released a year or so later than the year that they’re supposed to be from, is just a minor nitpick, and doesn’t ruin the show the least. Most, if not all the time, they get their 80s-details spot on. And they definitely go beyond sometimes, so they do know their stuff. (I sort of adore and stan that Dustin is infatuated with Phoebe Cates in 1985 LOL She seems sort of an obscure choice, but that only makes Dustin more real. Although I hope that Suzie isn’t added to the crew in Season 4. She’s already pushing my tolerance level in her very limited appearance.)

    You know, JJ’s Super 8 sort of had that charm in the 1st Act… The kids, and admittedly JJ’s direction, were solid, initially. But post-train crash… it devolved into such a derivative mess, I can’t remember what happened, it was such a shame he couldn’t keep it together (and seems to be a pattern of his…). And as much as Stranger Things bears similarities to Super 8, it supersedes it in every imaginable way, keeping the momentum for nearly 30hrs through a span of 3 Seasons. That’s exhaustively impressive. Hopefully they can keep it going for the next Season. And more importantly at this point, know when to end it.
    I am SO with you on Suzie! I had a slew of mixed emotions with her scene. At first, I thought the reveal that "TADA...SHE IS REAL!" was great! But then she, well, spoke. Was it just me or did she come off like an obnoxious caricature of a nerd, some cheap cliche you'd see on Big Bang Theory, instead of a Stranger Things character? Then the long-winded love ballad happens and I was having an awfully hard time swallowing it all. What's kind of funny is the response to this scene. I love The Neverending Story, even the book, but my nostalgia didn't blind me. I just didn't like it. It seems like it's either peoples FAVORITE moment of Season 3 (I've seen so many people on my friends list calling this moment in particular the best moment) or it's their LEAST FAVORITE moment of Season 3. For me, I'm in the "least favorite" camp. So I'm hoping she's a one and done character, but if Lucas's sister is any indication, going from basically glorified extra bumped up to large presence, I don't think we're done with Suzie.

    Aw see I actually liked Super 8, in many ways it absolutely is the proto-Stranger Things. However, I can't deny, it is absolutely derivative. That's basically J.J.'s shtick. He really pushes the limits of what is classified as homage and what classifies as plagiarism. Look at his Star Wars, his Star Trek, Cloverfield, I'm sincerely half expecting this Spider-Man comic to have Mary Jane kidnapped by the Green Goblin and thrown off a bridge only for Peter to botch her rescue and accidentally snap her neck. Hah! I mean no two ways about it, Super 8 has scenes blatantly aping Jurassic Park, E.T., Close Encounters, and general Amblin heyday cinema. Some of the best films ever made! It's a love letter to Spielberg. So while I enjoy it, I can't deny it's more a tribute and less an original. Stranger Things, on the other hand, includes said references and elements that reflect films like E.T., Nightmare on Elm Street, Poltergeist, Aliens, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, general Stephen King media, etc., but it never feels like a rip-off. It's def. its own thing with just some generalized similar scenarios.
    Last edited by MysterioMaximus; 07-18-2019 at 03:43 PM.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  2. #32
    ^^^ The masses sure love their basic, predictable, Disneyfied gimmicks: And therein lies why sassy Suzie and the duet is such a hit with them (people love their Carpool Karaoke). I mean, I still think it’s “cute”, but a one-off carpool karaoke is more than enough. With this show blowing up bigger every new Season— and this is the most commercial one yet, the pressure to appease the masses must be staggering for the showrunners… Hopefully they can work it out :sigh:

    Erica was… tolerable. I’ve always adored Chris’ sister Tonya on Everybody Hates Chris— mainly because she’s on the right track to becoming THOT with massive attitude by the time she’s 14. Erica sort of had that vibe in Season 2, and in small doses, she’s ok... (and that she’s anti-Communist and pro-Capitalism must be a sharp stake to the heart for all the trendy PC-audience members LOL). But enough new kids on the block (and turning the show into kiddie Love Island where everyone’s paired off), so hopefully Erica and Suzie won't be around next Season. Max and Will are already the 3rd and 4th wheels this Season, they really don’t need any new additions to the crew. If anything, they need to start weeding out the weaker links (Max and Will).

    (BTW, this guy makes a great point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zp0...&frags=pl%2Cwn.The show would have been legend had it ended on Season 1 (but everyone knows that would never happen...). However, once he said “…for me, personally…” I couldn’t watch/listen anymore. For someone so articulate, he should’ve known better than to use such an grammitically-cringey term popularized by corporate actor-nerds from Collider.)
    Last edited by farmer; 07-19-2019 at 12:26 PM.

  3. #33
    Funny you posted that video, I actually also saw it and was going to post it too. Hah! Great minds think alike! Stranger Things is still quality, it's always been quality, but it's def. been increasingly mainstream IMO. The original felt created for a sort of niche audience. Horror fans, Amblin fans (most the followers of the show now likely don't even know what Amblin even is), and lovers of 80's pop culture. Now it feels more generically made. Like I said, a lot of the culture references in Season 1 felt organic, now they feel this need to build entire scenes around the reference and even explain what the reference is because the larger and more broader new audience itself...well...doesn't seem to know what the reference is. I'm waiting for the next season to have their equivalent of Ewoks, the moment when they sell out. They came awful close here, but I still think it predominately kept its dignity, it's just loosing a lot of its subtly and, well, horror aspects. It felt like they were originally sort of tweaking Goonies, but it was an adult version. Now it's delving into just straight up kids adventure and lacking in the actual scare department. I mean the literal Neverending Story song gag is played...during a crucial monster moment. Then you want to go back to the monster being terrifying? You literally just had two kids sing a ballad play over your main supernatural horror threat chasing in an attempt to kill half the cast. How are we supposed to really feel all THAT intimidated again? Any iota of frightening is thrown out the window. I still enjoy the show, but for those who can at least take note of the flaws in Season 2 and 3, there seems to be a popular belief that perhaps it would have been better to have gone an anthology series route. Honestly, I have to wonder, sort of like how the Halloween franchise was originally intended to be but Myers proved too popular. I think the show because a victim of its own popularity, sort of feeling obligated to continue the story of THESE characters. It wasn't really necessary, but I think they felt like they'd essentially be mobbed if they didn't. He even touches on how people felt it had to continue because of Will throwing up the slug...but why? Many horror stories end ambiguously, a play on the fear of the unknown. Heck that was a huge trend in Twilight Zone.

    Also, my girlfriend brought up something I wanted to mention. She also agreed the writing, while still good, is getting somewhat cocky in its slight laziness. There's a sort of clique-like blind love for the show that will ignore aspects for the greater good. She mentioned something I likely should have caught, but didn't. So half the town is turned into The Blob-style mush and assimilated into the main Flayer body, right? Now for a time, during the Body Snatcher phase, the "possessed" hive-mind people attempt to assimilate back into their day to day lives, basically hide in plain sight. Of course people begin to notice they're acting oddly, but that appears to be about the extent of it outside the main cast. But...once they're all killed to form the Flayer's tangible body, wouldn't people noticed a boatload of missing people? Where's my son, my daughter, my wife, my husband, my girlfriend, my boyfriend, my brother, my sister, my best friend, my neighbor, my coworker, etc? Wouldn't that be on everyones mind? Now is that ever touched upon in the news program at the end of the episode, I can't remember? Was it mention "Reports of mass missing peoples in Hawkins," or something? Or is that just a mammoth plot-hole? Of course they could explain it in Season 4, but who knows?
    Last edited by MysterioMaximus; 07-19-2019 at 04:36 PM.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  4. #34
    ^^^ Yes, they did address that 30 people died: It was done in a clever, news/tabloid-style montage segment. very tight and fast.: The impression is that the media has spun the Hawkins tragedy to the outside world as a town full of loons, fully immersed in whacky government conspiracy beliefs and small-town occult superstitions. Basically, they’ve written off the events of the town as crazies run amok. It’s a perfectly, and creatively acceptable conclusion.

    The editing is amazingly lean and clean on this show. And the showrunners have been exceptional with their thoroughness and thoughtfulness— and likely, planning out the plot points in advance. It’s not illogical that the “American” held prisoner in the Soviet base could very well be Brenner and not Hopper, since in The Lost Sister episode, it’s revealed to El when she and the punky crew go hunting for those that worked for Brenner, that Brenner is actually still alive…

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by farmer View Post
    ^^^ Yes, they did address that 30 people died: It was done in a clever, news/tabloid-style montage segment. very tight and fast.: The impression is that the media has spun the Hawkins tragedy to the outside world as a town full of loons, fully immersed in whacky government conspiracy beliefs and small-town occult superstitions. Basically, they’ve written off the events of the town as crazies run amok. It’s a perfectly, and creatively acceptable conclusion.

    The editing is amazingly lean and clean on this show. And the showrunners have been exceptional with their thoroughness and thoughtfulness— and likely, planning out the plot points in advance. It’s not illogical that the “American” held prisoner in the Soviet base could very well be Brenner and not Hopper, since in The Lost Sister episode, it’s revealed to El when she and the punky crew go hunting for those that worked for Brenner, that Brenner is actually still alive…
    Okay good, I totally missed that and when my girlfriend brought it up, I thought MAN that WOULD BE a HUGE plot hole. Glad they covered it and I just missed it is all. As for Hopper, I don't think he's dead, but I agree it seems almost too obvious it's him in the prison cell. It could be a bait and switch. I'm going to guess they made it so heavily appear to be Hopper that it's not. They lead you to believe he IS dead...again...only to then bait again and reveal he IS alive.
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  6. #36
    Coming late to this party - I just recently binge-watched ST S03. Excellent! I'm probably in the minority here, but this is definitely my favorite season of the three (so far). I enjoyed all of the '80's references & excellent '70's & '80's rock/pop soundtrack. And, I didn't mind that a song placement may have been slightly inaccurate (i.e., a song featured not being released until a later year, etc.)

    This season definitely seemed more epic in scope than previous ones, and I liked the effects & character arcs. The monsters/creatures were very grotesque/menacing, and I liked the "Invasion of the body snatchers" aspect.

    -The scene when Will was trying to get Lucas & Mike involved in the D&D campaign - even though they had obviously lost interest - was kind of sad, but also realistic. Most of the kids were pairing up (which you saw the beginnings of in previous seasons), and growing out of "childish" things.

    -The popularity of "The Mall" as a hang-out place for the kids/teens brings back memories of that era. I know that in this season the Mall "taking over" the community was part of the sinister motivations of the "bad guys", but the truth is: Malls did come into communities & took away business from the smaller stores that had been established in the area for years beforehand.

    That being said, Malls being popular are a thing of the past - thankfully; I always hated them. It's interesting that many of them around the country have actually gotten torn down/abandoned in the past 7-10 years. How times have changed.

    -Very nice that Joyce Byers decided to adopt El, after Hopper had presumably been lost.

    -The video store scene at the end (when Steve & Robin were trying to get jobs) was hilarious, and made it look like only those with an impressive knowledge of film would get hired at these stores - which couldn't be further from the truth. I.e., being a huge movie aficionado that definitely remembers video stores to a great extent, I thought it was funny that I (who never worked in one of these places) typically knew a lot more about film(s) than the employees did - LOL.

    -I never thought that Dustin's girlfriend was imaginary, even when he first mentioned her. It would have been too obvious if that had been the case.

    -It was an interesting "twist" to have Robin & Mike nothook up, which would have been totally predictable. I did mis-read her making fun of & berating him (for failing to hook up with the various female customers) and her various other good-natured insults - as interest on her part. When she later admitted who she really liked, I was surprised - which was obviously the whole point.

    Some of my favorite homages:

    -The various Aliens references were great!

    -Erica (Lucas' little sister) wearing a dorky hat with flash-lights attached so she could see in the tunnel seemed like a homage to "Data" in Goonies - LOL.

    -Hilarious that the Russian (who couldn't speak any English) referred to Hopper as a "Fat Rambo" - LOL.

    -There was even a "Paul Blart: Mall Cop" (2009 comedy film) reference, when Robin, Steve, and Erica were stuck in the elevator - LOL.

    I guess there will be a S04 (since S03 ended on a cliff-hanger), but not sure I want to see anything beyond that; they should definitely quit while they're ahead.
    Last edited by ThallJoben; 09-23-2019 at 08:40 PM.

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by ThallJoben View Post
    Coming late to this party - I just recently binge-watched ST S03. Excellent! I'm probably in the minority here, but this is definitely my favorite season of the three (so far). I enjoyed all of the '80's references & excellent '70's & '80's rock/pop soundtrack. And, I didn't mind that a song placement may have been slightly inaccurate (i.e., a song featured not being released until a later year, etc.)

    This season definitely seemed more epic in scope than previous ones, and I liked the effects & character arcs. The monsters/creatures were very grotesque/menacing, and I liked the "Invasion of the body snatchers" aspect.

    -The scene when Will was trying to get Lucas & Mike involved in the D&D campaign - even though they had obviously lost interest - was kind of sad, but also realistic. Most of the kids were pairing up (which you saw the beginnings of in previous seasons), and growing out of "childish" things.

    -The popularity of "The Mall" as a hang-out place for the kids/teens brings back memories of that era. I know that in this season the Mall "taking over" the community was part of the sinister motivations of the "bad guys", but the truth is: Malls did come into communities & took away business from the smaller stores that had been established in the area for years beforehand.

    That being said, Malls being popular are a thing of the past - thankfully; I always hated them. It's interesting that many of them around the country have actually gotten torn down/abandoned in the past 7-10 years. How times have changed.

    -Very nice that Joyce Byers decided to adopt El, after Hopper had presumably been lost.

    -The video store scene at the end (when Steve & Robin were trying to get jobs) was hilarious, and made it look like only those with an impressive knowledge of film would get hired at these stores - which couldn't be further from the truth. I.e., being a huge movie aficionado that definitely remembers video stores to a great extent, I thought it was funny that I (who never worked in one of these places) typically knew a lot more about film(s) than the employees did - LOL.

    -I never thought that Dustin's girlfriend was imaginary, even when he first mentioned her. It would have been too obvious if that had been the case.

    -It was an interesting "twist" to have Robin & Mike nothook up, which would have been totally predictable. I did mis-read her making fun of & berating him (for failing to hook up with the various female customers) and her various other good-natured insults - as interest on her part. When she later admitted who she really liked, I was surprised - which was obviously the whole point.

    Some of my favorite homages:

    -The various Aliens references were great!

    -Erica (Lucas' little sister) wearing a dorky hat with flash-lights attached so she could see in the tunnel seemed like a homage to "Data" in Goonies - LOL.

    -Hilarious that the Russian (who couldn't speak any English) referred to Hopper as a "Fat Rambo" - LOL.

    -There was even a "Paul Blart: Mall Cop" (2009 comedy film) reference, when Robin, Steve, and Erica were stuck in the elevator - LOL.

    I guess there will be a S04 (since S03 ended on a cliff-hanger), but not sure I want to see anything beyond that; they should definitely quit while they're ahead.
    It's the weakest for me, but no doubt it's still darn great. I adore the show! It introduced some great new characters and ideas. I always love the throwbacks to classic films. Aliens was def. the main one for Season 2, but I caught the references in here too. But the one you didn't mention, did you catch that one Russian hitman is TOTALLY the Terminator? Even right down to, when Hopper hits his head off that gear work, him getting up is shot just like the reveal of him having a machine endoskeleton in Terminator. Shot exactly the same!
    'But I don’t want to go among mad people,’ Alice remarked. ‘Oh, you can’t help that,’ said the Cat: ‘We’re all mad here. I’m mad, you’re mad.’ ‘How do you know I’m mad?’ said Alice. ‘You must be,’ said the Cat, ‘or you wouldn’t have come here.’ - Lewis Carroll 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'

  8. #38
    Season 3 felt disjointed to me. Almost like they had 4 different casts and 4 different plot points. You had Hopper and his group going about just searching for everything; Dustin, Steve and that group dealing with Russians... which was tired during the Cold War and felt even more tired in this; Working girl and Photo boy Nancy Drewin' it; and then the girlfriend stuff with Mike, Will, Lucas, Max, and El.

    Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate the season or even dislike most of what was going on. The Mall stuff was nostalgic. The monster stuff was creepy and kept you wondering how long before they figure it all out. The only thing I didn't like was the Russians I guess... I liked the one Russian dude with Hopper. They never really gave a reason why they were there doing what they were doing unless I missed it, so it became a matter of 'it's the Russians again'. Someone had to be opening the hole I guess, and what better group then the 80's Cold War foil.

    Still can't wait for Season 4. Hope they can pull some more magic out of their bag.
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