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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Cobalt60 View Post
    I think people are finally starting to figure out, its all EU now. these movies are optional. like Shadows of the Empire.




    it's not that that the SW fans 'want it to fail' .. it's just that they don't give a ****.

    despite your personal feeling about the old EU .. nobody ever actually 'wanted the EU to fail' (because) we just didn't give a **** one way or the other.

    (let's face it. how many SW fans got all hot and bothered when they released the "new adventures of young obi-wan" series of YA books..? yeah. it's like that. who cares?)

    for 30 years, we, as fans, have been trained to ignore supplemental EU stuff and shunt it into a different category.

    (along pre-established definite criteria which has never changed : "stories-by-GL" vs. "stories-by-NOT-GL" -- it has ever been thus).

    now Disney is creating a new volume of movies ("stories-by-NOT-GL") -- which sort of 'expand' on the existing 'universe' (hmmm) -- just WTF did they THINK would happen?

    --> eventually they would create a body of work which would be judged on its OWN merits. plain and simple. "it is what it is" becomes the order of the universe.

    and, after 4 movies, we are getting a "Feel" of what they are trying to create here... (including cartoon cameos by Darth Maul c/w voice actor from SW:Rebels)... "it is what it is"...

    ...and people are finally starting to respond, in kind.

    call it what you will -- SW:Rebels is "optional" for 90% of all SW fans.

    and SOLO has, just now, placed itself in this SAME category, with that ridiculous EU cameo -- the Disney EU has now revealed itself, to be "optional" (for-90%-of-all-SW-fans).




    suddenly: "THEY" can simply "take it or leave it" nobody cares enough to 'see it fail'

    the cameo directly connected SOLO to REBELS -- they are now, officially, the exact. same. thing.

    (and let's face it: not too many movie-fans actually watch Rebels -- nor do they care to see it fail).

    --> Disney traded GLs fanatical movie-audience (numbering in the millions), in exchange for Filoni's casual cartoon audience (numbering in the thousands).

    this was stupid.

    they should have continued to pretend that their product was NOT "EU" -- instead they revealed it, 'in your face', for all to see -- with that one cameo, they made SW "optional" (for 90% of all fans).

    they proved "it's all EU now".
    exactly!

    Im the prime example. As big of a fan as I am, my interest has only been in the movies and toys. I’ve never been into the EU. Rogue One interested me because of the concept by I have zero interest in backstories of existing characters. And, if as a dedicated fan I feel that way, I can only imagine what the casual movie goer thinks. EU has a niche audience; I don’t think the casual fan is so enamored by the Star Wars universe that they give a damn what happened away from the main storyline that the movies have been selling.

    beyond that, I think Star Wars in general isn’t capturing new fans at the same volume with the new films as the original films and the prequels generated, which is evident by the declining box office and toy sales. So, when you have old fans jumping ship out of frustration, old fans that simply aren’t interested in EU, and you aren’t generating new fans to take their place, niche expanded universe films are going to suffer. And unlike an EU book that maybe only costs $10-20k to get a writer for, which you don’t need a large reading audience for to be succesful, a movie that costs $300 million can’t simply appeal to only hard core brand enthusiasts.

    all of which reflects poorly on the actual brand strength of Star Wars to expand beyond a single, main storyline where you are selling a central conflict and characters.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by jpolli666 View Post
    NO I brought that up like 3 times throughout the site, no one cares it's like TDS, they want the film to fail,.. .
    Ahh..
    Missed your posts..
    I loved the solo movie..
    I hope Disney gives it another shot and gives a sequel.. Would love to see the origins of Jabba and all the bounty hunters.. And of course more about maul.. How he is plotting revenge against the empire / the Emperor.. Etc..

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by jpolli666 View Post
    worldwide is now pushing 272M, and still playing.... home vid, PPV, dwnld is all coming. think we're fine.
    Generally speaking, if a movie doesn't start to make a profit until it hits the home video market, then that movie is considered to be a failure. Supposedly, Solo's budget was $250 million before Kathleen Kennedy fired the directors and hired Ron Howard to reshoot most of the film. That reportedly added another $80 million, making this the most expensive Star Wars movie in history with an estimated budget of $330 million. And that's just production costs, that doesn't factor in marketing costs (which are usually equal to the production costs, but might not be in this case because Solo was terribly marketed). This is why most of these big "tentpole" movies need to make at least $500 million in ticket sales before they break even and $1 billion is the new benchmark for success.

    Remember that Batman V Superman only made $873 million worldwide (on a $250 million budget) and Justice League made even less at $657 million (on a $300 million budget). This has led to massive restructuring of the DCEU and many people losing their jobs. If Kathleen Kennedy hasn't been fired already, then her job is pretty much gone if Ep9 fails to break records.
    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split. - Robert E. Howard

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    Remember that Batman V Superman only made $873 million worldwide (on a $250 million budget) and Justice League made even less at $657 million (on a $300 million budget). This has led to massive restructuring of the DCEU and many people losing their jobs. If Kathleen Kennedy hasn't been fired already, then her job is pretty much gone if Ep9 fails to break records.
    They aren't going to fire one of the most respected producers in all of Hollywood after one movie. The DCEU proves that point.

    They had Man of Steel, Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Justice League and they just finished shooting Aquaman all while Zack Snyder is STILL leading the DCEU as a producer.

    and he doesn't have the benefit of having 3 certifiable world wide hits like the Star Wars franchise does.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    Generally speaking, if a movie doesn't start to make a profit until it hits the home video market, then that movie is considered to be a failure. Supposedly, Solo's budget was $250 million before Kathleen Kennedy fired the directors and hired Ron Howard to reshoot most of the film. That reportedly added another $80 million, making this the most expensive Star Wars movie in history with an estimated budget of $330 million. And that's just production costs, that doesn't factor in marketing costs (which are usually equal to the production costs, but might not be in this case because Solo was terribly marketed). This is why most of these big "tentpole" movies need to make at least $500 million in ticket sales before they break even and $1 billion is the new benchmark for success.

    Remember that Batman V Superman only made $873 million worldwide (on a $250 million budget) and Justice League made even less at $657 million (on a $300 million budget). This has led to massive restructuring of the DCEU and many people losing their jobs. If Kathleen Kennedy hasn't been fired already, then her job is pretty much gone if Ep9 fails to break records.
    Why does Episode 9 have to break records?
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  6. #186
    why does any film? so you can make more that are awful, ohh gotcha
    Last edited by jpolli666; 06-27-2018 at 11:35 AM.

  7. #187
    well, at 350M+ now, and again, the only panic appears to be w/ the fans and fake media. if the marketing cost as much as the whole budget, ahh no, it's generally a 5th.
    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    Generally speaking, if a movie doesn't start to make a profit until it hits the home video market, then that movie is considered to be a failure. Supposedly, Solo's budget was $250 million before Kathleen Kennedy fired the directors and hired Ron Howard to reshoot most of the film. That reportedly added another $80 million, making this the most expensive Star Wars movie in history with an estimated budget of $330 million. And that's just production costs, that doesn't factor in marketing costs (which are usually equal to the production costs, but might not be in this case because Solo was terribly marketed). This is why most of these big "tentpole" movies need to make at least $500 million in ticket sales before they break even and $1 billion is the new benchmark for success.

    Remember that Batman V Superman only made $873 million worldwide (on a $250 million budget) and Justice League made even less at $657 million (on a $300 million budget). This has led to massive restructuring of the DCEU and many people losing their jobs. If Kathleen Kennedy hasn't been fired already, then her job is pretty much gone if Ep9 fails to break records.

  8. #188
    if anything, and that's IF - she'd step down, move on like GL for just being so tired of all this type of stupidity. You really think we got the inside dirt, got it all figured out about her multi billion dollar career ending? LOL, ahh this place
    Quote Originally Posted by Vicarious_Fan View Post
    They aren't going to fire one of the most respected producers in all of Hollywood after one movie. The DCEU proves that point.

    They had Man of Steel, Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Justice League and they just finished shooting Aquaman all while Zack Snyder is STILL leading the DCEU as a producer.

    and he doesn't have the benefit of having 3 certifiable world wide hits like the Star Wars franchise does.
    Last edited by jpolli666; 06-27-2018 at 11:42 AM.

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