View Full Version : The Force-Cast August 24 2007

08-25-2007, 11:52 AM
Jason and Pete have done it again. The show keeps evolving and getting stronger by the week. And now, thanks to Talkshoe, everyone can get involved by calling in! Thanks to your questions this week, we learned about how J&P met for the first time and Jason's lounge lizard past. Oh yeah, they talk about Star Wars a little as well.

08-25-2007, 12:50 PM
Don't forget, they're bringing back the phrase "Bees Knees" too! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

08-25-2007, 03:01 PM
Yeah great show guy's, I'll have to try and make it to the next live recording. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

08-25-2007, 07:14 PM
Great episode, guys! I'm looking forward to hearing some of Jimmy Mac's antics next week. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

08-25-2007, 09:58 PM
Nice work, as usual. Good debate on the Disney/Lucas collaboration. Have fun in Chicago guys! And if you pass through Northwest Indiana be sure to think of me.

08-25-2007, 10:18 PM
Good show, guys! I have to agree that the EU is getting kinda unwieldly, and it probably needs better editorial supervision, the characterizations are sometimes too different between authors, and there are continuity issues all over, wich need constant retcons, all of wich leave me somewhat dissatisfied, at times.

That doesn't mean I don't like the EU, because I do, I just think Lucasfilm has to be very careful with it, or it will collapse under it's own weight.

08-25-2007, 10:31 PM
The EU was pretty good back in the early days, but now it's bloated and serves no purpose.

Maybe your clown needs a friend?

08-25-2007, 10:36 PM
Great point Jorbex. I agree with you about the craziness of the EU. It is so overwhelming. Plus, I was thinking what a HORRIBLE life the Skywalkers lead. How many times has Luke had to save the dang galaxy? And it always seems to come down to him. Does he ever get a stinkin' vacation? He needs to go to Ryloth and hang out with some babes who can rub his feet and let him relax in a hot tub.
The stories are just getting a little too repetitive. Granted, I haven't read all of them, but so many seem like different versions of the movies. There is a weapon or a threat, and Luke, Han and Leia have to go save the day. Some of the old x-wing stories stray a little if I remember.....anyway, I'm ranting. And I actually like reading the stories, but I can see Jason's point about it burning out the story.
The Legacy story seems to be bringing a new kind of life back to it, but it still seems like a big bad guy, trying to run the galaxy, and someone you wouldn't expect is going to have to save the day. I hope it doesn't end up being that simple.
But you know one thing I like? The old Marvel comics. They don't have to officially fit in the continuity. We have decided to put them in a different category of canon. So a lot of them had some pretty entertaining stories (if I remember) Some were pretty lame (space bunnies), but some ended up being inspirations for some of the EU books.

Anyway, I think I just argued with myself on both sides of this issue. No I just sound like I don't know what I'm talking about. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

08-25-2007, 10:56 PM
I think you expressed yourself just fine, Shua. I agree that Legacy is refreshing, probably because we got a brand new (almost) set of characters, instead of the eternally rehashed heroes from the OT. Like Abel G. Peņa said in an interview, there's not too many places you can take Luke as a character after ROTJ. He's travelled all the way through his heroic journey (as described by Joseph Campbell), and anything else is just going to be repetitive.
I think this is the reason why I mostly read EU set either before or during the OT, and not the extended "after ROTJ" history.

08-25-2007, 11:07 PM
The EU was pretty good back in the early days, but now it's bloated and serves no purpose.

Maybe your clown needs a friend?

No purpose? If it wasn't for the EU, Star Wars really would have ended with the release of ROTS. From here on out the EU will be the only new additions to the franchise. We've got to consider ourselves lucky too. Lucasfilm cares a great deal about keeping things within continuity, which is why they've got a whole team led by Lucy Wilson dealing with publishing and such. Other franchises (Star Trek, Superman, etc.) aren't so lucky.

I guess my point is that I like the EU a lot, I always have. Are there some weak points? Sure, but the films have them too. For every silly thing in the EU, there are a lot more things that actually add to what we get from the films. Like Jay mentioned a few weeks ago, the current standing of the EU with 4 comic series and a sold line of novels is a good way to go. I can't see it getting too out of hand unless they start cranking out a lot more material than that.

08-26-2007, 01:54 PM
Nah, the EU doesn't push SW further. It just repeats itself with endless Jedi/Sith, bad guys, and aliens that we don't care about.

08-26-2007, 11:48 PM
Maybe your clown needs a friend?

For those who didn't see this in another thread:

http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/thumbs/Force_Cast_clown_Shirt.jpg (http://forum.rebelscum.com/imagepopup.php?imagename=http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/Force_Cast_clown_Shirt.jpg)

Oh, and as far as the EU: some of it's good; some of it's bad.

08-27-2007, 06:17 AM
Some were pretty lame (space bunnies)

I know you did NOT just diss Jaxxon! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I love going back and reading the comics between ANH & ESB. They're so totally 70s it's awesome! There were some really great characters developed in the Marvel series the most famous,right now, being Lumiya *cough*comicpackplease*cough

And as far as the EU having no purpose...we may not even have seen prequels if there was no Zahn trilogy to kick start Star Wars back into the mainstream again.
There's been EU since ANH came out and the novel and comics had 'deleted' scenes in them. The EU has given us some great and some horrible things over the years and that's how Star Wars is going to live on is through the EU.

08-27-2007, 10:39 AM
Another great episode. I was excited to hear that you guys will be at The Force Among Us Red Carpet event because so will I!

08-27-2007, 02:44 PM
Those of you interested in the Video Games segment of the Force-Cast this week, check out this site. They did a reveiw of just about every game:


08-27-2007, 05:30 PM
cool. thanks for the link.

08-27-2007, 05:35 PM
Very thorough list! I like the "Do Want" icon. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

08-29-2007, 06:17 PM
As someone who is just now trying to venture into the EU, I can understand being overwhelmed by the vastness of it. However, I believe it was was the EU that helped sustain the franchise during the time between ROTJ and TPM. It's very cool to be able to learn more about the creatures and characters who have only a bit of screen time in the movies. I agree that many of the stories have created the Star Wars cliche. But, when authors have only the films to go on as "true" cannon, it must be hard not to adopt the same motifs.

I am not a big comic book fan, but have been reading the Legacy book. I bet most won't like what I have to say, but I think this series has the same number of cliche's as most EU books. Granted, the Imperial Knights are truly unique, as are the Imperial missionaries (which have been sadly absent for awhile now). But we have the Sith taking over again, the Jedi being wiped out again, a hero being tempted by the dark side, etc. Also, the big revelation of who Darth Krayt was totally lost on me. I never heard of that guy before because I don't know much about the EU!

I've read the Thrawn trilogy and on the last book of the Jedi Academy trilogy, all of which I have enjoyed immensely. I'm looking forward to reading some of the other books, but ones that deal in significant non-movie characters (Mara Jade, the Solo twins, etc) and events. Figuring out which books these are is the challenge (and for me also the fun).

I would argue that the EU has already been reset once, with the New Jedi Order series. I somewhat dread reading the NJO because it is 13 books and I know many of the planets and characters I love are going to be destroyed. It's like the 1980's cartoon of Transformers versus the original animated movie. Wipe everyone out and start with new characters...