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sjr5740
07-26-2006, 10:32 AM
I just want to vent a little because I am so frustrated with recent bad buying experiences. It is typical evil-bay behavior but I haven't run into it until now.

Prior to bidding on a few POTF items I emailed the seller, Chris Morse (ebay ID morsesith) to ask specfically if the weapons were original vintage or repros. He responded that they were original and if any items were repros that it would be stated in the auction. Upon receving the items they weapons are obvious Bastons' toys S$%t repro weapons. So I send a message to the seller asking for a refund. No response. So I begin a paypal dispute which I escalated to a claim today. Since he has never responded to me does this change the way Paypal views the claim process as he is not fulfilling his obligations as a seller?

The only good thing that came from this is that he left me positive feedback first so I just hit him with 5 negs. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Hopefully this will warn any future bidders about this a$%hole.

The thing is that if paypal decides in my favor I am still out $25 plus the shipping costs of sending the items back. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

My big question is why do people pull this crap.

I usually don't like giving out peoples names as it gives them bad reps and I would like to believe they can come through and do the right thing. But in this case I feel it is justified so everyone can steer clear of these guys in the future.

Any thoughts?

SJR

sjr5740
07-26-2006, 05:13 PM
I just got a message from the seller saying he was on "vacation" and his "brother" was supposed to be handling his ebay account while he was gone. And prior to this he had 100% feedback. He said he wants to "salvage" the transaction.

So I wrote him back

"All I want is to return the items for a full refund. Once you indicate to paypal that you are willing to provide a full refund, I will send the items back with a tracking number. Once my money is refunded and not one second sooner, we can discuss your feedback. It really is a shame as I was waiting so long to give feedback to let you respond to my messages. It is a real shame you don't check your email while on vacation and your brother could not drop me a line. I find it really amazing, though, that the last day of your vacation just happens to be the same day I finally left you feedback. Cheers."

All he cares about is restoring his feedback to 100%. Guess that'll learn him for giving positive feedback first.

SJR

Jedi_Bri
07-27-2006, 02:09 AM
That sounds like some real frustrating transactions. There is nothing that makes me more upset then when someone sells repros as originals. Makes you wonder how many other ppl dont catch the repros not knowing the diff when these seller try to pawn them off. I commend you for leaving neg feedback. You handled it the right way.

There are so many sellers out here on ebay selling repros purposly as originals. It is pathetic. I hopt you get all your money back and thanks for calling out these scam artists publicly so no one else deals with them.

JohnnyD
07-31-2006, 07:15 AM
I've heard the "I was on vacation" story before as well, I think a lot of people have. Leave the negs.

Leif_G
08-01-2006, 07:57 PM
I've heard the "I was on vacation" story before as well, I think a lot of people have. Leave the negs.



Yeah... get the refund, then leave him high and dry with the negs. Other potential buyers deserve to see them.

kyussa
08-11-2006, 10:16 PM
The simple fact the guy left positive feedback before you had even received the stuff pretty much indicates (to me) that he's sold repros to others in the past and never been caught.

I understand that the honest way for the seller to use the feedback process is to leave feedback immediately after they have completed the deal and received their money, but many sellers use the ebay feedback system as leverage, not leaving it until you've left it for them.

You're safe in this respect, so if you get your money back, don't remove your negs http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

sjr5740
08-13-2006, 06:37 PM
Well, I finally got my refund in the mail yesterday. The guy sent me a money order for the full amount I paid. I am still waiting until the money is safely back in my bank account before I end my paypal dispute. I think it is unlikely that he faked a money order but... you never know.

SJR

OleeStarstone
08-13-2006, 08:51 PM
Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to check my email when I'm on vacation in most cases.

Whether he really was on vacation, I can't say for certain, but not everyone has a laptop to take along with them.

kyussa
08-14-2006, 07:36 AM
Let us all know when you have money back (safely) in your account. Sounds like it should work out for you, good luck!

prufrock
08-18-2006, 01:11 AM
Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to check my email when I'm on vacation in most cases.

Whether he really was on vacation, I can't say for certain, but not everyone has a laptop to take along with them.



Good point, but most places these days have computers you can use for a few minutes for free. Heck, a lot of coffee joints have them set up for people to do just this very thing.

Warrachuppin
08-18-2006, 08:26 AM
Glad you got your money returned.

Have you seen the guys feedback now, wow

tnswman
08-29-2006, 10:15 AM
how is anyone to know that you are just saying that the weapons are repros just to get your money back?

Neither of you can show Proof.

Paypal should have never given you the money back...You could be scamming the seller.

sjr5740
08-29-2006, 11:19 AM
You are absolutely right. I could be scamming the seller. But if you bothered to read the thread you would see that paypal did not return my money. I returned the item and the seller refunded my money via money order.

I returned exactly what I received. The seller agreed and sent me a money order. I also took pics of the weapons I received (you could argue I swapped weapons but that is your call not mine) for proof to paypal but thankfully it never got to that point. Here are the pics I took thorugh a photography loop for higher magnification of the relevant details. It is obvious that these weapons came from Batson's toys.

http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/thumbs/DSC00807.JPG (http://forum.rebelscum.com/imagepopup.php?imagename=http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/DSC00807.JPG) http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/thumbs/DSC00810.JPG (http://forum.rebelscum.com/imagepopup.php?imagename=http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/DSC00810.JPG) http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/thumbs/DSC00811.JPG (http://forum.rebelscum.com/imagepopup.php?imagename=http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/DSC00811.JPG)

As far as scamming the seller what have I gotten out of this deal? It cost me frustration, time and money in waiting for the seller's response, having to return his items at my own expense with no certainy of recovering my funds. If you look in the classifieds http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2085347&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#2085347 I am currently trying to acquire the same items which I thought I was buying on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50281&item=6065006190
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50281&item=6065000763
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50281&item=6065015367
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50281&item=6065000616
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50281&item=6065006543.

So if I was just trying to get 'free weapons' why would I still be trying to acquire the same figures complete?

Now, if I was really trying to scam the seller why would I publicize this problem to make myself look like a problem buyer? I merely listed the experiance so others can avoid this seller in the future.

I know I am an honest person. Even though I am a newer member I have dealt with a few people on this board and I think I have acted in a trustworthy manner with those folks so I really do not care what your opinion is. I purchase for my own enjoyment and rarely if ever sell.

I am just trying to complete my loose collection with all original weapons.

So when I am buying figures (especially the more expensive POTF figures) I want to receive the items I believe I am purchasing which in my case is complete figures without repro weapons.

Thanks for the trust

SJR

tnswman
08-29-2006, 06:24 PM
well, as ou see, My point is valid. I hate to see the day when paypal or anyone just uissues refunds based off a buyers word.

It is nothing personal. I just know how the buyer always gets an upper hand much like a woman does in a divorce http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

sjr5740
08-29-2006, 09:05 PM
By your logic paypal can never decide a dispute becuase there is always some subjectivity to their decision much like within our legal system.

These disputes are often "he said, she said" cases. But if you can produce emails and pictures and the seller doesn't even take the time to respond to the dispute then paypal will refund the buyer's money. It is written in their dispute process.

How about the buyer who got a box full of cassette tapes instead of a 21 back boba fett a few months ago? The seller sent out a package and it had delivery confirmation. How do we know the buyer didn't just 'say' they were delivered cassette tapes?

Oh, and this gem



It is nothing personal. I just know how the buyer always gets an upper hand much like a woman does in a divorce http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif



real mature.....

count_doofus
08-30-2006, 02:39 AM
I hate to see the day when paypal or anyone just uissues refunds based off a buyers word.



http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

That day has been here for years.

If I say I didn't receive something and it wasn't sent with online tracking, paypal will find in my favour every time.

The way the odds are stacked in the buyers favour - when you read all the terms and conditions - is quite disturbing, and is precisley why many people don't use paypal.

Joshua_B
08-30-2006, 06:44 PM
sjr5740, I was one of those other guys that hit him with the same kind of negative feedback. I was contact a while after the auction by him and he did explaon that he was on vacation and his brother in law was suppose to handle the shipping and all his emails. I said that was fine, but I still wanted my figure!! It came in the mail 3 days later with a letter stating he was sorry, and for all my trouble he gave me a Paploo sealed on a thrashed card along with the original Lumat that I had won. So I got a free, C9+ figure for all my toubles. So in the end I was happy.

sjr5740
08-30-2006, 09:19 PM
I am glad you received your item. It seems the seller is sending extra figures to make up for his flakiness. "totally redeemed!!!this guy gave me an A-WING PILOT FREE+coin and gun MINT!!!!!!" This is probably one of the figures I bought from him.

However, the point I am making is that the seller seems flaky at best and dishonest at worst and I would really advise people to avoid him. Even before his 'vacation' there are a few feedback remarks which are questionable "Piece of sh** seller demanded $89extra,aftercheckcashednever respondedorsentset" and "good items, thats all i can say" and "several recorded emails sent and invoices, no response!!!!!!"

Even though he has sent some extra figures to a few buyers it still does not change the fact that he sent repro weapons after assuring me they were original. He did not respond to emails until after I left negs and he never responded to paypal to close the dispute process even though I urged him to several times via email.

If he had orignally told me the weapons were repros I would not have bid. Or if he sent original vintage weapons as he said they were, or even if he did not know they were repros if he responded to my messages and admitted his mistake, I would not have had a problem and probably would not have left the negs.

In the end, however, I did get my money back so everything worked out for me so I pretty much consider the issue closed.

blutch
08-31-2006, 06:21 AM
I am sorry to hear about your situation but the refund was at least something. I have had a few deals that ended with me chipping in to another guys college fund or beer fund... http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Anyway, I wanted to ask you about the pictures. The Leia Blaster is definitely fake, and the Luke Hoth-rifle was a bit dark so I didn't look at it that much. I might be missing something but what reveals the repro Endor blaster? To me it looks okay but I have not seen it "live" and maybe there is something that I don't see? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif It has the circle on the handle at least which is a good thing... Let me know what makes it a repro blaster.

Thanks. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

sjr5740
08-31-2006, 12:06 PM
The molded features are way too sharp when compared to actual vintage accessories which have alot more flash. The nub on the top of the gun is also wrong. It is very subtle but if you hold the weapon next to a known orignal you see a very distinct difference between the two weapons. See auction below for proof that a repro can have the circle on the side.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Princess-Leia-Combat-Gun-A-Grade-Replica-NEW_W0QQitemZ6027479318QQihZ009QQcategoryZ56307QQt cZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

On edit: the hoth gun can also be seen to have an extra circle on its side just like this weapon.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Luke-Hoth-Gun-A-Grade-Replica-NEW_W0QQitemZ6027479207QQihZ009QQcategoryZ56307QQt cZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

I have emaled both of these repros to the jawa's armoury but the website has not been updated. These repros all seem to come from DT sabers.

blutch
09-01-2006, 01:55 AM
Oh darn... http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

There goes the hobby... http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Perhaps my all out war on repros wasn't such a bad idea... http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

shameonyou
09-01-2006, 07:19 PM
So this means that now there is no way to tell the difference betweena fake weapon and a real one?