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POTF_COINS
05-24-2006, 12:29 PM
I would like to start a discussion on the Power of the Force Coins. In particular, the heavier, thicker POTF coins that have recently become more and more common on E-Bay. I have scene a little discussion of these coins here, but, with very little resolution. I have had some first hand experience with these coins and I would like to share with all of you what I believe.

What is certain is that they are slightly thicker than a typical POTF. As many of you know there is some variation in the thickness of authentic POTF coins, however, the coins in question are just a little thicker. The real test is the weight. I have weighted numerous authentic POTF coins and nearly all of them weigh 3 or 4 grams, whereas, the coins in question weigh 6 or 7 grams. The only other certainty I can offer is that; there is a direct correlation between those who believe in the legitimacy of the coins and those who own the coins.

Now, there is no proof for or against the story I’m about to share. Nor do I think there ever will be. I will not reveal my sources. I will say my sources are reliable and I believe what they say. Believe what you want, this is what I believe.

Kenner subcontracted Osborne Coinage to make many of the POTF line coins. A former employee of Osborne possessed a magnificent quantity of POTF coins, including, rarities and at the time never seen before prototypes. This individual sold all of their coins to some well known individuals in the Star Wars community. This find of coins is well known. The individual that sold these coins was somewhat amazed with the prices the coins were able command. This individual was also in possession of several of the original dyes used to make the legitimate POTF coins. Several years later this same individual emerged with yet another magnificent quantity of prototypes and rarities. All of these coins were thicker and heavier than any POTF coin before them. 36 of the 63(because 1 of 36 is the Jedi Knight Coin) coins have a thicker heavier version. I believe there maybe more than 36. I believe the individual had access to all the materials necessary to accomplish such a feat. I believe these coins were pressed at a later date with the authentic dyes. I believe that since then many of the dyes have been split up and sold off. I believe we should all be thankful that the blanks used to make these coins weighted too much, or we would have never known.

In closing, I must say that I don’t think there will ever be a resolution to this issue. The opinions expressed in this are only that, opinions. Sorry for the length, this was the short version.

ThorOakenfelder
05-24-2006, 09:32 PM
sounds fishy to me. Like if he had more at the time he made his initial sales, then he would've sold off the rest.

Todd_Chamberlain
05-25-2006, 10:49 AM
Since I'm familiar with the Osborne employee who had these coins (I was part of the group of collectors who bought coins from him in about 2000), I'll try to clarify what gaps I can. There are some parts that are inconclusive, which is why I think there has not been many definitive postings on the topic by others who have seen the coins in question.

First, I definitely do not think these coins are vintage in terms of being made in 1984-86. Second, while not vintage, I do not think the source of these coins produced them recently, and do not think there was ill intent on his part.

Some background to clarify my conclusions: the same company that made about 40 different coins for the vintage line also made the Millennium Mint reissues in the 90s. The aluminum thickness of the coins in question matches those of the Millennium Mint coins, and also matches some aspects of Millennium Mint prototypes that surfaced from other sources.

The coin source confirms that his company did run some samples for Kenner at the time of Millennium Mint, but continues to insist that he was able to tell the difference between samples he'd kept from the 80s and those he kept from the 90s. He eventually came to accept that there was some reason to doubt that conclusion, and from I have been told offered a full refund to the person he had sold them to, who in turn said he had offered full refunds to any of his buyers if they were skeptical about their vintage. These are second-hand accounts that I cannot confirm, but I trust that they are true.

I have several reasons for believing these are Millennium Mint era samples and not reproductions made for the collectors market. First, the coin source has not worked for the coin company for years. Second, there appear to have been equivalent numbers of each coin style available, including coins that only sell for a couple dollars each at full retail (Warok, EV-9D9, etc.) and it does not seem worth his time to have gone through the trouble of setting up to make these.

The original poster of this thread suggested that the fact that the thicker coins were not offered for sale in 2000 suggests they were made more recently (the thicker coins first popped up in 2005), but having seen how this guy stores stuff in general it seems completely plausible to me that these were simply stored elsewhere in his house and he found them later. Consider how small coins are—quite a few can fit into a small space among other items. It’s one of the reasons many Kenner employees still have them years later when other things have been thrown out—they take up very little space and more easily survive moves, spring cleaning, etc.

Regarding the important question of whether these belong to the vintage era, I strongly believe they are not. On the other hand, I do not have any concerns that the source cranked these out recently to meet collector demand, and as far as I know there should only be 10 or so at most of any of these coins. It seems like some pieces have circulated through several different sellers in the past year or so, though, spreading them around the hobby a bit since POTF coins tend to change hands a lot in general.

To place these pieces in what I believe to be their proper context then, these could be considered prototypes or samples, but from the Millennium Mint era, which is a significant difference to most collectors. Still interesting in their own way, but not an equal substitute for a vintage coin.

Todd

POTF_COINS
05-26-2006, 01:28 PM
Todd,
Thanks for lending the story some credibility. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

SWaddict
05-27-2006, 06:41 AM
So any coin weighing more than 4 oz is a modern vintage looking coin? If so, I'm going to go weigh each of my coins!

Leif_G
05-30-2006, 09:48 AM
Thanks for shedding some light on this issue guys.

Leif

POTF_COINS
05-30-2006, 09:57 AM
You have to weight them in grams not oz. Nearly all of mine weigh 4 grams. I had 2 coins that tettered between 4 and 5 on my digital scale. Any more that and you may have one of these coins.