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sisefromm
05-22-2006, 11:49 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Prototype-Vintage-Rancor-Test-Shot-Star-Wars_W0QQitemZ6060181618QQcategoryZ49008QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif
hope you know the color of goa partys ...
definitly a fake... never hear that a rancor visit goa.

ChrisGeorgoulias
05-22-2006, 07:54 PM
That's not fake. It's not vintage, but was made in the 1990's when Kenner was re-shooting the vintage molds in preparation for the new line. The seller mentions it possibly being for the new line so things seem fine to me. I recognize the email address from years back. I've also seen other modern toys shot in those colors.

-chris

SABRESEDGE
05-23-2006, 01:17 AM
The store selling it is about 1 hr away from me and I know the seller (Bobby) and he and the store are legit. NO worries! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Chad_D
05-23-2006, 01:51 AM
I never understood why they shot things in such weird colors. I can understand one weird color, but I've seen vehicles and stuff shot with each peice a different color. Why not just shoot the whole thing in one color? It seems like they did it on purpose, for fun or something. Any insight, Chris?

starbeanie
05-23-2006, 07:47 AM
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I can understand one weird color, but I've seen vehicles and stuff shot with each peice a different color. Why not just shoot the whole thing in one color?

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That's easy. The pieces are not all in the same steel mold. So they put a mold onto the production line, shoot it with whatever plastic is currently in the hopper(no point in changing it for something that's just a mold test). Then get the next mold and shoot it. If the hopper is empty they fill it with whatever's available.

Bret

Chad_D
05-23-2006, 12:30 PM
It seems like there was a little bit of goofing off on the production line to me. Some prototypes have five or six different colors in them. I find it hard to believe they shot five different pieces at completely different times to where they couldn't use the same color. You could be right as I've heard that explaination before, but it would be interesting to hear straight from the horses mouth.

misterbroke
05-23-2006, 12:55 PM
I love the absurdity of that thing. I wish I could afford to place a bid on it.

ChrisGeorgoulias
05-23-2006, 03:25 PM
Bret's correct. The pieces are made from different molds. The vendors drop them into a machine that's running whatever color of plastic at the time. These toy factories have whole banks of molding machines running all kinds of plastic parts in different colors. It's too time-consuming to purge the old material, fill the correct one, then make the samples. It's not like some guy with a cup full of material that he pours here and there. This is lots of material, lots of molds, and lots of machines. I'm pretty sure the figure mold bases are all standard sizes, so it's easy to pop one in quickly to make samples.

Check out this thing I found about Lego (http://archive.dovebid.com/brochure/LEGO010417.pdf). This might give you an idea into how much equipment it takes to run a number of molding machines. Here's a similar factory. (http://www.amerimoldtech.com/rubber_molding.htm) And another one. (http://www.tw-union.com/e_htm/profile.htm) There's a ton of stuff in Google and Google images if you search "injection molding".

For the vintage line, Kenner engineers wanted the first shots to be like the finished figures, so the plastic was generally the correct type and color.

This makes more sense once you know what the factories are like. I had two previous jobs with companies that did a lot of plastic injection molding in-house so that helped me a lot when it came to understanding toy production.

-chris

Chad_D
05-23-2006, 10:43 PM
Interesting Chris, thanks. Take a look at this pic I ran across on google. Somebody had some fun making this http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Anybody know who owns it?

http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/thumbs/t26.jpg (http://forum.rebelscum.com/imagepopup.php?imagename=http://forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data//500/t26.jpg)

ThorOakenfelder
05-24-2006, 09:45 PM
I love the multi colored items.that snowtrooper is awesome. He's part of the bumblebee blizzard legion.

Yodelayheehoo
05-25-2006, 07:55 AM
Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Rancor!

sisefromm
05-25-2006, 08:55 AM
sorry, ok i mean not fake but not vintage... my english is not really good... and i find not allways the right words..
and chirs where you get so much knowlege about this toys..

very interesting... so a item like a blue harvest ?!

James_Gallo
05-25-2006, 09:32 AM
sorry, ok i mean not fake but not vintage... my english is not really good... and i find not allways the right words..
and chirs where you get so much knowlege about this toys..

very interesting... so a item like a blue harvest ?!



No not like Blue Harvest. These pieces were made at the request of Kenner for the purpose of deciding on if they would just use the old molds or make a totally new toy. They choose the later but a few of these 1990s first shots were made.
There are similar first shots for the x-wing, a-wing, falcon and perhaps a few other vehicles.

A neat original first shot but just not done in the 1980s era.

James G

ChrisGeorgoulias
05-25-2006, 10:23 AM
By using the old molds, Hasbro/Kenner could save hundreds of thousands of dollars and months of development time. Many of the old molds for the large ships and sets were carefully stored and were usable a decade or so after they went out of production.

Shooting the molds in a new color plastic and painting them differently is very simple once the mold has been made. For some reason they chose to redo the Rancor.

James is right about other vehicles existing. Most are in a milky-white plastic and most all of them have the old copyrights, so people often mistake them for 1980's era pieces. They are new parts made from old molds.

Where do I get so much knowledge? This is what I've focused on for about 13 years now. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif Plus I have talked to many Kenner engineers, designers, sculptors, and development people firsthand. On top of my work knowledge of the injection molding process and general manufacturing. It helps immensely when you deal in prototypes because knowing what an item is or should be is a large part of knowing whether or not it's correct.

-chris

Uncle_Gundy
05-29-2006, 03:34 AM
$810!!!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

It's certainly an eye catching and nice piece to have but is it '$810' nice? Or have i become cheap like JohnA http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Uncle Gundy http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

ChrisGeorgoulias
05-29-2006, 08:20 AM
$810 is way more than I would have put it at. The winner is a member of these forums. I wonder if he was reading this thread...

-chris

sisefromm
05-29-2006, 09:53 AM
WOW http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif ...

thatīs alot of money that he have spend in it...
iīm also wondering...

but i know the buyer loves green ;-)