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FilthyJawas
02-02-2006, 02:39 AM
I saw Vader at a friend's house tonight. I am SO glad I didn't buy this hunk of junk.

1. His helmet is WAY TOO SMALL.
2. His cape is WAY TOO BIG.
3. He is wearing SHOES with black pleather legwarmers. Yes, the shin armor is there, over his pleather legwarmers. The Emperor would be most displeased.
4. He is also wearing what looks like wristbands instead of full gauntlet gloves.
5. His chest box lights are pale lavender instead of hellfire red.
6. His saber lights at the bottom only. Top half of blade barely glows.
7. His codpiece is a cheap glued-on (crooked and in the wrong area) afterthought.
8. $350?! For that?! HAHAHAHA! Yeah, right.

Oh well, maybe they'll make an Empire version that's better. Any news on that?

I will say the Han Solo looked better than I thought it would. Not nearly as nice as the one they promised online, but decent.

FilthyJawas
02-02-2006, 02:42 AM
OMG - here is a pic of VADER'S SHOE. He must have got them at PAYLESS. For $350 they couldn't make a BOOT?!
http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2006/SSC-Vader-0032.jpg

Rock
02-02-2006, 07:19 AM
I don't own one of these Vader's but the cape will cover that area anyway. Who cares if they didn't make boots?From the pictures that I have seen I wish I would have ordered one. I think it looks great! I have the SS Exclusive Grevious on order so my money is tied up there for now.I plan to buy the Vader if I am lucky enough to find one for sale. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Katzenbach
02-02-2006, 07:58 AM
What makes your observation even more true is that the 1st Kotobukiya Vader looks more impressive (and more accurate for that matter) than the sideshow!! LOL. When I saw a picture of the Sideshow helmet, I thought it looked really weird. The sideshow statues resemble dolls more than statues, at least in the Star Wars line. That's why I collect the Koto line. The art and detail are so impressive, it's scary! Plus, they are waaaayyy cheaper! More bang for the buck!

hunky_artist
02-02-2006, 09:25 AM
it's a boot. You can see it going up the back of his calf. The problem is that they havent's done the join well enough with the foot part to the leg part... so it looks like a seperate piece.

Forhekset
02-02-2006, 09:32 AM
Man, if they're going to skimp on details like the boots, I'm glad I didn't buy this thing after all. He's wearing oxfords, lol.

Rock, for 350 bones, I think we oughta care if he's wearing boots. I mean c'mon, they're not that hard to make. I still can't believe how bad his saber looks lit up.

Vader looks better than I thought he did in the promo pics, but stuff like this is simply dumbfounding. Between this and all the problems I had trying to get a decent Wolverine vs. Sabretooth diorama (tried 3 times, each one had glaring paint flaws, poorly glued seams and/or other problems), I'm not too impressed with Sideshow. Give me an Attakus Vader any day of the week over this thing.

Hopefully the Kotobukiya Leia will come out before SS's 1/4 scale version, so if it looks good I can cancel my SS preorder and save myself $150.

oldschool_Jawa
02-02-2006, 10:59 AM
I'm glad I cancelled my order for this and the others as well. I'm sticking to all polystone statues. I don't like the mixed media at all. They just look like big 12" figs only for $250-$500!

TA2215
02-02-2006, 11:34 AM
I can't wait to get mine, I still like it.

jlcmsu
02-02-2006, 12:15 PM
I can't wait to get mine, I still like it.



Yup, this thing kicks butt!! I'm glad I have one coming for those that don't like it good for you saves more for those that do. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DarthMatrix
02-02-2006, 01:53 PM
from what I have seen its pretty sweet looking. Im actually glad I didnt cancel my order. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif still though cant wait for the grevious. now that a sweet looking peice

tomandshell
02-02-2006, 02:34 PM
The Attakus Vader isn't wearing boots, either. He's just sculpted to look that way. The Sideshow Vader is meant to look like he's wearing boots, just like the Attakus version. The 1/4 scale Han also has a two piece boot, with a polystone foot connecting with a pleather shin/lower leg. The fabrication/stability demands that the feet be securely connected as a part of the base, with the rest of the boot consisting of a seperate piece blended in with the other to create the illusion of one boot. If you aren't satisfied with the illusion, that's one thing, but Sideshow intended it to look like he was wearing boots, not shoes. I accept such "cheats" with this line, since it's not supposed to be a doll with removable clothes, but a display piece--and the above picture is not the angle intended by Sideshow for display.

Anonymous01
02-02-2006, 03:51 PM
Mine came in yesterday. I got #297. I like it quite a bit, although it is a bit pricey at $350 ($400 with tax and shipping). Still, it looks pretty good and I find the level of detail the statue contains pretty amazing. It will look good next to my Sideshow Luke. Not sure if I'll be collecting the other Sideshow statues, though. With all the high end items out there these days, I must choose carefully!

Forhekset
02-02-2006, 04:02 PM
That's a pretty fancy spin job you're trying to put on this piece, tomandshell, but admit it - Vader is wearing oxfords and it looks stupid. How do you explain the fact that his saber looks like crap when lit up? What "restrictions" led to that design flaw?

Seriously, did you really just say that the Attakus Vader isn't wearing boots either? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Next you'll tell me that his lightsaber isn't real....

I'm starting to lean back towards my original impression of this line - overpriced dolls. I think I'll stick with statues. At the risk of offending quite a few people on this board, I gotta say that some of you seem to have more money than common sense. Why would you drop $400 on something with such obvious, glaring flaws? First people are ranting and raving about the droopy-eyed GG Qui-Gon bust that looks like his head was caught in a vice, and now this with the SS Vader. I'm guessing some of you will defend this particular piece to the death to make yourselves feel better about blowing nearly half a grand on it. I suppose I'd do the same thing if I had spent that much money, though. But to me, this piece is a disappointment.

So Vader's feet are never meant to be viewed? Yeah, whatever. For $400 I ought to be able to view him from whatever angle I choose.

jlcmsu
02-02-2006, 04:16 PM
That's a pretty fancy spin job you're trying to put on this piece, tomandshell, but admit it - Vader is wearing oxfords and it looks stupid. How do you explain the fact that his saber looks like crap when lit up? What "restrictions" led to that design flaw?

I'm starting to lean back towards my original impression of this line - overpriced dolls. I think I'll stick with statues. At the risk of offending quite a few people on this board, I gotta say that some of you seem to have more money than common sense. Why would you drop $400 on something with such obvious, glaring flaws? First people are ranting and raving about the droopy-eyed GG Qui-Gon bust that looks like his head was caught in a vice, and now this with the SS Vader. I'm guessing some of you will defend this particular piece to the death to make yourselves feel better about blowing nearly half a grand on it. I suppose I'd do the same thing if I had spent that much money, though. But to me, this piece is a disappointment.

So Vader's feet are never meant to be viewed? Yeah, whatever. For $400 I ought to be able to view him from whatever angle I choose.



Actually, Tom is telling the truth on why they had to go the route they did on the boot. I don't have an issue with it and think it looks fine since I won't be setting their being anal about it 24/7. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif As far as the lightsaber well as I saw someone elxplain that knows more about this type of thing than I. That it's the material used with the lightsaber. It doesn't totally reflect the light all the way through.

Well, since I don't bash you and your waste of money on certain products. I think you should do the same and keep your two cents on how I spend my money to yourself. You don't like the Vader fine well I do and so do several others. I will defend it not cause of the money I spent because I've spent more on other pieces but because I think the piece is simply freaking awesome!!

You don't like my reasons well to bad. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Jimbo
02-02-2006, 04:40 PM
I agree w/ F on so many points he brought up.

Although it's your money so I could care less that (imho) you spent $400 that's worth $100 max.

So much is wrong w/ this piece after a few looks.

jlcmsu
02-02-2006, 04:56 PM
Ok whatever http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

elwood49
02-02-2006, 05:09 PM
What makes your observation even more true is that the 1st Kotobukiya Vader looks more impressive (and more accurate for that matter) than the sideshow!!



You've got to be kidding me. While I do think the Sideshow version has flaws, it's easily my favorite Vader out there. If you don't like mixed media, then just get the Attakus Vader I. That's another excellent piece. I'll take the SS version all day over the kung-fu ninja Koto version.

Here's a pic of my buddy Gruson's SS Vader. I have one also, and mine looks pretty similar:
http://www.crazywayco.com/ss_vad2.jpg

You compare that to this?!!
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6831/darthvinyl2opt0rt.jpg

You mention the SS version's accuracy, but I don't remember Vader EVER doing anything like he is in the Koto. It just looks like some cheap toy.

I will say that the SS Vader has many flaws, and is far from perfect. I wrote this review on the SS Freaks board of mine:

OK guys, I got my Vader in this morning. The Fedex guy got here bright and early.

Here is the image from ANH that I will be comparing the figure to. It is right out of the film and is the EXACT pose this Vader is taken from:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9003/copiedeanhwow99bf.jpg
Pros:
1. Size. I love the 1/4 format simply for the "presence" that a single figure gets. This piece is very large, and gives a nice texture to the mixed media.

2. Vader's leather gloves and suit are extremely well done.

3. The blood red lenses are in full effect, and they are awesome.

4. The armor is also nicely done, and the boots are definitely not a concern. There is no way that you can see more than the front of them anyway.

5. This is the best Vader on the market today, IMO. It really blows the Attakus out of the water. I'm more and more convinced that sculpted pieces just aren't for me. I LOVE the mixed media format. Kong v. Rex is the only fully sculpted piece I've gotten in a while that even comes close to SS 1/4 format for me personally.

6. I can't wait for the SW 1/4 announcement from Toyfair! I'm buying every SW 1/4 released.

Con:

1. The helmet- we've been over this ad nauseum, so I'll let my previous comments speak for themselves. Nobody wants to bore themselves to read what I think about it.

2. The paintjob- I wish there was more gray on the helmet, but I'm not going to get it repainted. If CKing can commission an entirely new helmet, then I'll get it painted with the nose bridge gray. I would also use a different paint scheme mixing black/gray throughout.

3. The helmet size- MUCH too small. I'm 100% convinced of it. Look at the picture I posted above. Compare the size of the chestbox with the size of the helmet. The box and the face mask are roughly the same size. On the SS figure, the box size is significantly larger than the mask. The helmet also comes closer to the shoulders in the film. The SS version doesn't even come close. Granted the shoulders are more relaxed onscreen than in the SS piece, but there's no doubt that the helmet should be bigger.

4. The chest armor. WHY is this not painted fully GRAY? Look at the picture above. It is completely and totally gray. The SS armor has alternating gray and black stripes.

(*Important Note* The picture from the film above is obviously a mirrored image. Note that the white switch on the chestbox is on the right side instead of the left. The SS figure is accurate in that regard. There are so many examples in SW where Lucas got lazy and just flipped the image. This is one of those times. Why he didn't fix it in the DVD edition is beyond me. He fixed the Imperial officer's pin that was flipped in one scene. You SW fans out there know what I'm talking about. This also reinforces my earlier point to Josh that Lucas doesn't know a damn thing about the details in his films. There are much better examples, but that's a major tangent from this discussion).

5. Gruson's chest box comments from earlier are dead on. It's purple for some unknown reason. A simple red filter could have easily fixed this.

6. The cape- It is a bit too large, but not overly bad. In all the pictures I've seen, the people just didn't position it in the correct way. You need to smooth down the sides so that it doesn't look so puffy. Gruson's idea of bunching it up slightly towards the back is also a good one. I'll take pictures of my cape later today, but I got it to look great!

7. Minor nitpick, but I thought this might be funny- Vader's ANH saber has 7 black grips and not 6. The MR version is wrong also, so SS shouldn't feel bad for missing this. I don't care about it at all, but I just wanted to show how much incorrect info is provided to the licensees from Lucasfilm.

Final thought: While it's not perfect, it's better than what other companies are putting out. Comparing this piece to the GG version is almost laughable. That thing is wrong in just about every possible way. I can't wait to see the rest of my favorites done like this.

I just hope that SS pays better attention to the details in the future. The details are what really make the various pieces for me. Some people may call it nitpicking, but I don't. Looking at a detail from ANH and knowing that I have an accurate representation of that in my home just puts a smile on my face. There are so many SW products today, that getting the details correct is what will really make the 1/4 line stand out.

Brent72
02-02-2006, 05:11 PM
Although it's your money so I could care less that (imho) you spent $400 that's worth $100 max.





Give me a break! If you think this statue looks like a $100 vinyl kit from Koto you know NOTHING about SW collectibles.

Mini_Rock_Banned
02-02-2006, 05:28 PM
Excellent review El. I have yet to receive mine, but hopefully it'll be shipping soon. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I also have to agree with you regarding the vacuous comment regarding the Koto Vader compared to the SS version. There is no comparison. The Koto is nice for what it is, but the SS Vader is in a different class entirely.

BTW, el, thanks for posting a pic of Gru's! Are going to be posting any of yours? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Jimbo
02-02-2006, 05:30 PM
OK... I bow to you Brent72.

I will hide away in shame now knowing I will never know as much as you in the Star Wars collectible field. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Wow took a lot to hold the laughter in.

I was trying to shed my opinion and be nice...

Though a famous quote comes to mind about fools and their money... Yeah that's the ticket.

jlcmsu
02-02-2006, 05:34 PM
I agree with the first part of elwoods post and some of his review. There is some I don't but hey different strokes for different folks.

FilthyJawas
02-02-2006, 06:07 PM
What's funny is that codpiece. Look how hiked up it is! Looks like Vader took an Imperial dump in his pants. I knew he was old, but couldn't the Force somehow give him control over his BM's? That figure is embarassenly bad - the only thing going for it and making it somewhat "neat" is its size.

http://www.crazywayco.com/ss_vad2.jpg

FilthyJawas
02-02-2006, 06:18 PM
What's so funny is so many people are in denial on the SS board (and other places) that they take pictures nearly in dark to make their figures look better! Someone just mentioned actually changing the lighting around their display to make Luke look better. How about just keeping the normal lights and pitching Luke in the trash compacter. HAHAHAHA!

Gruson
02-02-2006, 08:35 PM
What's so funny is so many people are in denial on the SS board (and other places) that they take pictures nearly in dark to make their figures look better! Someone just mentioned actually changing the lighting around their display to make Luke look better. How about just keeping the normal lights and pitching Luke in the trash compacter. HAHAHAHA!



Hey Filth,

Hunk of junk???!!?

Since you love talking about how horrible these pieces are, I would love to see your collection.

My post on the SSF board about lighting is to ENHANCE the piece even more.

Here's my collection (not fully set up yet), just to show you how BAD these pieces/dolls look (pics came out brighter than it looks in person):

http://www.crazywayco.com/room2.jpg

http://www.crazywayco.com/room1.jpg


Koto Vader better?!? LOL...right.

Vader is not pefect, as I even pointed out many of his flaws before anyone else.

That said, it's still an impressive piece.

So let's see your collection!

Yeah...that's what I thought filth.

If anyone would like any specific pictures, please let me know and I will post them here.

Tig_Fromm
02-02-2006, 08:42 PM
Gruson, since you're taking requests, how about some shots of Terminator Arnold?

Jimbo
02-02-2006, 10:14 PM
So let's see your collection!

Yeah...that's what I thought filth.



Are you serious???

Wow people in here are like the normal Wuher's crowd these days. This forum was once one of the few that opinions were accepted and conversation remained pretty civil.

Though w/ a statement like that... I'm thinking someone's collection is compensating for something. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

"Yeah...that's what I thought"

Brent72
02-02-2006, 10:35 PM
So let's see your collection!

Yeah...that's what I thought filth.



Are you serious???

Wow people in here are like the normal Wuher's crowd these days. This forum was once one of the few that opinions were accepted and conversation remained pretty civil.

Though w/ a statement like that... I'm thinking someone's collection is compensating for something. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

"Yeah...that's what I thought"



It's funny that you expect people to respond in a civil manner when you say they spent $400 on something that is worth $100 max. That's just a stupid statement that's bound to get people a little riled up.

Pellaeon
02-02-2006, 10:52 PM
I have yet to see a photo that does the SS Vader it's justice. After reading these comments I was getting a little nervous about getting my Vader. Well I got mine today and I tell you in person, he is just awesome. By far and away the best Vader collectible I have ever seen. Folks who are on the bubble, believe me, this thing rocks!

But those damn purple lights http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif But the saber glows crimson red through the entire saber http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DarthPotts1975
02-02-2006, 10:53 PM
i havent recieved mine yet. its expected to ship 2/15/06 from sws. i have both luke and han and think they are amazing. i cant imagine the vader being any less than totally awsome. i am an attakus collector. i think SS and attakus are alike in the fact that whoever doesnt like or complains about them doesnt have them. its just thier way to make themselves feel better for not having one.

i cant wait till my vader comes. theres no doubt in my mind it will be awsome.

Jimbo
02-02-2006, 11:07 PM
in the fact that whoever doesnt like or complains about them doesnt have them. its just thier way to make themselves feel better for not having one.




Whew it gets better and better. Yeah anyone living in the entire US didn't have the chance to order it was just you the "chosen" few. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

You realize it's a $350 statue right?

Also if you can't take criticism then stay in the other thread giving it and SS nothing but praise... or maybe your better $350 would've been better spent on a thicker skin.

Lord forbid anyone criticize because Lord knows we're all just jealous and triflin'... Uh huh...

High end SW collector does not = the status of a fine art vintage collector. Sorry http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

FartVader
02-02-2006, 11:25 PM
It's funny...since I JUST opened my SS statue and I couldn't disagree more with the original post made by FilthyJawas.

If you don't like the piece, why even start a rant thread to say bad things about something you don't even own? What's your motive behind all this? As much as I believe it's good to give honest criticism, your comments to me are nothing short of you lynching SS for their amazing work on this piece. Do you have a personal grudge with Sideshow?

I've owned the Koto Vader and sold it since it didn't do anything for me. It's well done but looks plastic in person and I didn't think it was worth having in my collection.

I currently have the Attakus Vader 2 as well as the GG Vader. In fact, I decided to place the Sideshow, Attakus, and GG statues next to each other to see the similarities and differences as well as the overall quality. As much as I LOVE the Attakus Vader and enjoy the GG Vader, I can honestly say that I believe the Sideshow Vader is the best of them all. Is it 100% accurate? Not at all...but then again, there is no Vader representation I've seen yet that is 100% accurate. I even asked my fiance which one she liked the most and she thought there was no contest...hands down the Sideshow Vader.

I think it's just plain stupid for someone to say that the only reason so many people like the SS Vader is because they want to justify paying $350 for the item. Using that same logic, I can say you are ripping this piece apart verbally just so you can justify NOT being able to spend $350 on the item. Different strokes for different folks.

I've seen the Koto Vader go for more than $100 on the secondary market...and for someone else (ahem Jimbo) to say that the SS Vader looks like it's worth $100 max is downright...well, you get the idea. Anyone in their right mind would not even try to justify the Koto Vader as being better quality than the SS Vader, let alone the GG Vader.

Koto Vader MSRP $99
Gentle Giant Vader MSRP $199
Sideshow Vader MSRP $350
Attakus Vader 2 MSRP $475

IMHO, based on the original MSRP prices, I would say that the SS Vader is the best bang for your buck in terms of quality and craftsmanship.

I think those of you who haven't received the item should seriously not cancel your order and reserve your own judgement. Sideshow does give you a refund if you're not satisfied. Don't let a small group of individuals convince you that this Vader is not worth the money. I can see poeple passing on this piece and down the road regretting they did.

I've heard nothing but BS from so many so called "vader experts." Some of these people could also run into the original Vader costume used for the ANH film and claim the costume is inaccurate.

jlcmsu
02-02-2006, 11:31 PM
It's funny...since I JUST opened my SS statue and I couldn't disagree more with the original post made by FilthyJawas.

If you don't like the piece, why even start a rant thread to say bad things about something you don't even own? What's your motive behind all this? As much as I believe it's good to give honest criticism, your comments to me are nothing short of you lynching SS for their amazing work on this piece. Do you have a personal grudge with Sideshow?

I've owned the Koto Vader and sold it since it didn't do anything for me. It's well done but looks plastic in person and I didn't think it was worth having in my collection.

I currently have the Attakus Vader 2 as well as the GG Vader. In fact, I decided to place the Sideshow, Attakus, and GG statues next to each other to see the similarities and differences as well as the overall quality. As much as I LOVE the Attakus Vader and enjoy the GG Vader, I can honestly say that I believe the Sideshow Vader is the best of them all. Is it 100% accurate? Not at all...but then again, there is no Vader representation I've seen yet that is 100% accurate. I even asked my fiance which one she liked the most and she thought there was no contest...hands down the Sideshow Vader.

I think it's just plain stupid for someone to say that the only reason so many people like the SS Vader is because they want to justify paying $350 for the item. Using that same logic, I can say you are ripping this piece apart verbally just so you can justify NOT being able to spend $350 on the item. Different strokes for different folks.

I've seen the Koto Vader go for more than $100 on the secondary market...and for someone else (ahem Jimbo) to say that the SS Vader looks like it's worth $100 max is downright...well, you get the idea. Anyone in their right mind would not even try to justify the Koto Vader as being better quality than the SS Vader, let alone the GG Vader.

Koto Vader MSRP $99
Gentle Giant Vader MSRP $199
Sideshow Vader MSRP $350
Attakus Vader 2 MSRP $475

IMHO, based on the original MSRP prices, I would say that the SS Vader is the best bang for your buck in terms of quality and craftsmanship.

I think those of you who haven't received the item should seriously not cancel your order and reserve your own judgement. Sideshow does give you a refund if you're not satisfied. Don't let a small group of individuals convince you that this Vader is not worth the money. I can see poeple passing on this piece and down the road regretting they did.

I've heard nothing but BS from so many so called "vader experts." Some of these people could also run into the original Vader costume used for the ANH film and claim the costume is inaccurate.



Oustanding FartVader!! I couldn't agree more especially the last paragraph. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DarthPotts1975
02-02-2006, 11:35 PM
in the fact that whoever doesnt like or complains about them doesnt have them. its just thier way to make themselves feel better for not having one.




Whew it gets better and better. Yeah anyone living in the entire US didn't have the chance to order it was just you the "chosen" few. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

You realize it's a $350 statue right?

Also if you can't take criticism then stay in the other thread giving it and SS nothing but praise... or maybe your better $350 would've been better spent on a thicker skin.

Lord forbid anyone criticize because Lord knows we're all just jealous and triflin'... Uh huh...

High end SW collector does not = the status of a fine art vintage collector. Sorry http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



spoken like a jealous non-high end collector
stick to bust-ups and kotos.
ill ask you this DO YOU OWN A SS OR ATTAKUS STATUE?
my guess would be no.
lets see some pics of your collection. since SS SUCKS in your opinion lets see what you have thats better.

if not look at my pics and take notes http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

FartVader
02-02-2006, 11:48 PM
i think SS and attakus are alike in the fact that whoever doesnt like or complains about them doesnt have them. its just thier way to make themselves feel better for not having one.



I couldn't agree more with this comment. Believe me DARTHPOTTS1975, you won't be disappointed with the SS Vader.

Everyone is the US did have ample time to order this item, and many chose not to. It's their right and I'm happy if they felt they made the right decision. I can see someone having regrets or being upset if they bought the thing and were disappointed...but all I hear is negative comments from people who haven't even bought the item. These people are also in the minority in their negative opinions on this item, since the poeple who are happy with the item just enjoy it and never post on the forums. Most of the negative comments always come from people who have not even seen one of the SS Vader statues in person. Why is it so hard for you to reserve judgement till the day you actually see the piece with your own eyes rather than make a judgement based on pictures?

DarthPotts1975
02-03-2006, 12:00 AM
i think SS and attakus are alike in the fact that whoever doesnt like or complains about them doesnt have them. its just thier way to make themselves feel better for not having one.



I couldn't agree more with this comment. Believe me DARTHPOTTS1975, you won't be disappointed with the SS Vader.

Everyone is the US did have ample time to order this item, and many chose not to. It's their right and I'm happy if they felt they made the right decision. I can see someone having regrets or being upset if they bought the thing and were disappointed...but all I hear is negative comments from people who haven't even bought the item. These people are also in the minority in their negative opinions on this item, since the poeple who are happy with the item just enjoy it and never post on the forums. Most of the negative comments always come from people who have not even seen one of the SS Vader statues in person. Why is it so hard for you to reserve judgement till the day you actually see the piece with your own eyes rather than make a judgement based on pictures?



spoken like an intelligent collector.

FilthyJawas
02-03-2006, 12:37 AM
So now Gruson is calling me names? Filth? Whatever. Call me names and insult me all you want, I don't really care. Honestly!

What am I trying to do by ripping on SS Vader? Well, maybe they'll try extra hard on their 12" Vader and make his helmet the right size, etc. If we said nothing they may think "well, everyone loves it. Make the next one the same way. Make sure you don't forget his sith oxford shoes."

And my collection is WAY BETTER than yours. Why? Because it's mine and I like it. Same as you do yours. But I'm free to tell SS they flunked out if I believe it.

Brent72
02-03-2006, 12:44 AM
High end SW collector does not = the status of a fine art vintage collector. Sorry http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif





Who said anything about fine art and more importantly who really cares? Sorry, but I just don't get your analogy. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Gruson
02-03-2006, 01:27 AM
So now Gruson is calling me names? Filth? Whatever. Call me names and insult me all you want, I don't really care. Honestly!

What am I trying to do by ripping on SS Vader? Well, maybe they'll try extra hard on their 12" Vader and make his helmet the right size, etc. If we said nothing they may think "well, everyone loves it. Make the next one the same way. Make sure you don't forget his sith oxford shoes."

And my collection is WAY BETTER than yours. Why? Because it's mine and I like it. Same as you do yours. But I'm free to tell SS they flunked out if I believe it.



LOL

When did I call you a name? All I did was abbreviate your handle if that's what you thought the name calling was. <sigh>

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Not worth my time.

I still want to see what's in your collection though. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DarthInwah
02-03-2006, 02:45 AM
So now Gruson is calling me names? Filth? Whatever. Call me names and insult me all you want, I don't really care. Honestly!

What am I trying to do by ripping on SS Vader? Well, maybe they'll try extra hard on their 12" Vader and make his helmet the right size, etc. If we said nothing they may think "well, everyone loves it. Make the next one the same way. Make sure you don't forget his sith oxford shoes."

And my collection is WAY BETTER than yours. Why? Because it's mine and I like it. Same as you do yours. But I'm free to tell SS they flunked out if I believe it.



LOL

When did I call you a name? All I did was abbreviate your handle if that's what you thought the name calling was. <sigh>

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Not worth my time.

I still want to see what's in your collection though. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Gruson, your collection rocks!! Like the museum feel to your room. I am indeed inspired!

tomandshell
02-03-2006, 03:01 AM
Gruson, your collection rocks!! Like the museum feel to your room. I am indeed inspired!



I have to second that! Gruson, those pics are great. I absolutely love what you have done with those lights. It looks just wonderful--I would feel the urge to pay admission if I ever walked in there, it looks like a movie museum.

vadertot
02-03-2006, 03:03 AM
Wow, FilthyJawas, if I didn't know better (and I guess I really don't), I might think you were a plant from one of Sideshow's competitors. I really see no reason for your utter detest of this Vader. I can see how there are minor problems that may bother you a little, but you're complete hatred of the thing is beyond me...



OMG - here is a pic of VADER'S SHOE. He must have got them at PAYLESS. For $350 they couldn't make a BOOT?!
http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2006/SSC-Vader-0032.jpg



Ummmm, that IS a boot. A mixed media polystone/leather boot with a shin guard strapped over it, which is exactly how it was in the movie - you think they'd make that up?

I got mine yesterday and the only thing that bugs me is the violet chest plate lights. I'm not sure what happened with that, but it can't be that hard to paint them a translucent red... could it? Other than that it's amazing. I LOVE the cape - yes it may be a little fuller than it looks on the screen, but the material is an amazing quality and flows nicely.

I just really don't see AT ALL where most of your gripes are coming from... and I think the overwhelming majority of Scummers would agree with me. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

/retreats into lurk mode

Jimbo
02-03-2006, 08:34 AM
You found me out... http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif

I'm just a poor soul that can barely afford the 2 3 3/4" figures I buy every month. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I bow down to you all. For I wish to one day be as great you.

Oh I am sorry you weren't blessed at birth and now you are filling that void w/ overpriced statues. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

theropod
02-03-2006, 08:54 AM
I'm disappointed that I don't have a Sideshow Vader.
If anyone wants to get rid of the one they are disappointed with I'll gladly accept donations. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif
-theropod

FartVader
02-03-2006, 09:26 AM
I bow down to you all. For I wish to one day be as great you.



It's ok...no need to bow down to us. In time your wish will come true and you'll be as great, if not greater, than us. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

jlcmsu
02-03-2006, 09:38 AM
Gruson we may not see eye 2 eye on some things but you already know I think your collection is way sweet. This piece is simply one of the best I've seen. I thought so at SDCC this past summer when I got a chance to see the early version of it compared to a lot of other companies stuff. I'm glad I was able to sneak in last min and get one.

FilthyJawas
02-03-2006, 06:24 PM
Have you guys ever read the Sideshow Freaks board? Man, almost all of them are in love with ANYTHING Sideshow does. That Mini-Rock guy says "everyone who has received this piece (Vader) is more than happy with it"

I know you're here Mini, are you that blind? MORE THAN happy with it? EVERYONE? My friend sure isn't, and neither are the MANY people who got defective bases and chipped statues. I even read a report that the mouse droid is actually SINKING into the base! How does that happen?! One more reason why the Vader piece is a POS, in my opinion.

If we keep telling SS to do better, I don't think they'll get any worse, do you?

jlcmsu
02-03-2006, 06:58 PM
Have you guys ever read the Sideshow Freaks board? Man, almost all of them are in love with ANYTHING Sideshow does. That Mini-Rock guy says "everyone who has received this piece (Vader) is more than happy with it"

I know you're here Mini, are you that blind? MORE THAN happy with it? EVERYONE? My friend sure isn't, and neither are the MANY people who got defective bases and chipped statues. I even read a report that the mouse droid is actually SINKING into the base! How does that happen?! One more reason why the Vader piece is a POS, in my opinion.

If we keep telling SS to do better, I don't think they'll get any worse, do you?



I post there all the time and from what I've read most folks are really happy with it. Of course there are gonna be some defective ones but those will get taken care of.

It might be a POS to you but ask me if I care. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

TA2215
02-03-2006, 07:36 PM
Dude, no reason to get personal here, Mini Rock has his opinion and you got yours.
I believe if people signs for a Sideshow board is because they are fan of their work, same for GG, Bowen, etc, etc.

Let's try to be a little bit more constructive here, if you don't like a piece bring your points to the board and be ready to defend them and accept other peoples points without just calling it POS which I don't think add anything to this discussion.

massoh2
02-03-2006, 07:43 PM
Dude, no reason to get personal here, Mini Rock has his opinion and you got yours.



But he's talking about how Mini-Rock's statement is bull. He can prove it too, by the examples he gave (i.e. chipped base, mouse droid defect, etc.)

TA2215
02-03-2006, 07:50 PM
Dude, no reason to get personal here, Mini Rock has his opinion and you got yours.



But he's talking about how Mini-Rock's statement is bull. He can prove it too, by the examples he gave (i.e. chipped base, mouse droid defect, etc.)



To me mini-rock statement is his opinion, not bull. Yes, there are some people that are not happy with this piece but there are also people that likes it.
Filthyjawa points in his first post are his opinion and I agree with some of them and defend his right to express them.
I actually went into this thread because I wanted to read what he has to say about it. It's always good to have both sides of the story. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Anonymous01
02-03-2006, 08:32 PM
Gruson: Nice collection. Where did you get the black podiums/display stands? I've been looking for something similar.

All: I have both the Gentle Giant Vader statue and the Sideshow Vader. What I like most about the Gentle Giant statue is it's in such a great dramatic pose. I like the the Sideshow statue because it really shows off the different fabric textures and comes closest to visualizing the actual Vader costume in real life -- albeit in miniature. And the massive size of the Sideshow statue definitely commands some attention! But both are excellent pieces in their own right.

I don't own the Koto, but I did see it in person and I didn't care for it that much. The fact that it was plastic definitely stood out.

FartVader
02-03-2006, 08:48 PM
I even read a report that the mouse droid is actually SINKING into the base! How does that happen?! One more reason why the Vader piece is a POS, in my opinion.



So you're saying the statue is a POS based on a defective statue? A defective product is just that...defective. It's not the intent of the statue to actually have a sinking base. If I graded a SW product as a POS simply because I received a defective version, then I guess my first Attakus Boba Fett was a POS too since it came with a broken piece. I would also say some MR items are a POS since those originally arrived with a defect as well. Good thing they were replaced...otherwise I would have said they were all a...yeah, you get the idea.

By the way...if your friend isn't happy as well then I do hope he's already returned it for a refund. it's simple, effective, and in the end his frown will turn upside down. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Brent72
02-03-2006, 09:24 PM
Is it just me or does FilthyJawas just seem like a troll who is stirring the pot? He just joined this forum a week ago and all he's done since then is trash the Vader statue. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Moe_Szyslak
02-03-2006, 10:07 PM
I just opened mine and it was broken. His cod piece was cracked in half. Also the lights keep going out on me. When they are on, they do look purple.

Anyone have any experience with sideshow and returns? I hope I dont have to pay the shipping back to them.

DarthPotts1975
02-03-2006, 10:34 PM
Is it just me or does FilthyJawas just seem like a troll who is stirring the pot? He just joined this forum a week ago and all he's done since then is trash the Vader statue. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif



some people are going to negitive and complain no matter what.

jlcmsu
02-04-2006, 12:02 AM
Anyone have any experience with sideshow and returns? I hope I dont have to pay the shipping back to them.



Contact Jon at SS he will aide you in your returns process.

His email is Jon@Sideshowcollectibles.com he will help you out since he deals with returns. Yes, they pay for them back to SS to answer that question.

Mini_Rock_Banned
02-04-2006, 05:22 AM
http://www.crazywayco.com/room2.jpg

http://www.crazywayco.com/room1.jpg



GRUSON! Your display room keep getting better and better! I really need to get off my a** and paint my damn room! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I'm have to agree with Gru, and the other's in this thread, who have called you out Filth. Prepare to walk the walk if you talk the talk.

Moe_Szyslak
02-04-2006, 12:10 PM
I will say that even though mine was broken, and a few other problems with the lights, this piece is awesome. I too was one who thought the helmet was too small, but its not. In fact, I feel the helmet turned out to be the strongest feature of this piece.
I do wish Sideshow would have scrapped the whole light-up idea and just concentrated on the costume quality. The piece that broke on mine is the weakest part of the overall figure. My only other request is that you could move turn or tilt his head.
But still, this piece is truly incredible in person.

Chief_Bast
02-04-2006, 12:33 PM
Is it just me or does FilthyJawas just seem like a troll who is stirring the pot? He just joined this forum a week ago and all he's done since then is trash the Vader statue. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif



You caught on to that too? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

My Vader arrived last night and I can say without hesitation that I'm 110% satisfied! It's even more amazing than the pictures the friendly folks on here have posted, IMO. I tried to play Devil's Advocate with myself and find the glaring innaccuracies, cost-cutting shortcuts and/or defects, but color me uniformed or blind, everything looked spot-on.

(OK, OK, I"ll give you the purple shaded control box and lack of widow's peak on what is supposed to be a ANH helmet)

Mini_Rock_Banned
02-05-2006, 01:25 AM
Congrats Chief! I can't wait to receive mine. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

TA2215
02-05-2006, 11:58 AM
Congratulations Chief!!!