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Darth_Tedious
09-26-2005, 08:15 AM
I know we haven't seen a heck of a lot from the Saga 2006 line, but what figures we have seen seem to not have action features.

Could it be that the Saga line will actually be a line of well sculpted figures with good articulation and actually spell the end of the action feature once and for all?!

I for one, hope so! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Neal
09-26-2005, 08:37 AM
I know we haven't seen a heck of a lot from the Saga 2006 line, but what figures we have seen seem to not have action features.

Could it be that the Saga line will actually be a line of well sculpted figures with good articulation and actually spell the end of the action feature once and for all?!

I for one, hope so! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



I wouldn't be surprised. The later figures in the SAGA line didn't have action features. Back then, Hasbro even made a point of announcing that they wouldn't. Now that the movie year is leaving us, and Hasbro knows that collectors are their main target, the action features will go away again.

ThisIsMadness91
09-26-2005, 12:32 PM
God, I hope this is the end! No more loose flapping limbs or poor sculpts http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif!

CHEWIE
09-26-2005, 12:45 PM
Really, less and less of the ROTS figures had the action features, so I think we're pretty safe that these are going away (at least for the most part).

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

*___*
09-26-2005, 12:47 PM
Goodbye and Good riddance.

Hasbro has told us that 2006 will be a year for collectors, which can be translated to mean that we'll see more toys targeted for an older audience.

In a movie year, the more "gimmicks" and "crap" they can add to a toy, the better. This apparently is all that kids care about, despite the fact that kids aren't the ones that are buying this line. >sigh<

At least the action features were well-hidden this time around. The ROTS was better than the SAGA line for this reason.

But I'm very much looking forward to seeing a Mace Windu similar to Kit Fisto (for example). A super-articulated Yoda would be MOST welcome, even if it's hard to create.

SpecialOpsUnit
09-26-2005, 12:52 PM
Yes I agree with the new Yoda, we really havent gotten a really good one with a good face and legs. I'm tired of having Yoda's with their legs glued together. Hopefully its the end of action features and more articulation. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

CHEWIE
09-26-2005, 01:15 PM
The VOTC Yoda is pretty darn good.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Neal
09-26-2005, 01:51 PM
The VOTC Yoda is pretty darn good.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



So is the ROTS one (#3). His plastic robe is a bit bulky, but not only does he have separate, articulated legs, but ankles as well! Plus ... he can hold his lightsaber with two hands. One of the better Yoda's, in my opinion.

SpecialOpsUnit
09-26-2005, 02:12 PM
Ironically I have not see the #3 Yoda at all. I have the other one and his legs are glue together and his cape is horrible. I'll look for that other Yoda though if his legs are seperated.

Neal
09-26-2005, 02:55 PM
Ironically I have not see the #3 Yoda at all. I have the other one and his legs are glue together and his cape is horrible. I'll look for that other Yoda though if his legs are seperated.



Yeah ... he's not bad. Here's a pic:

http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS/rots0503yodastance.jpg

And here's his entry at Rebelscum's Photo Archive:

Yoda (Firing Cannon!) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0503yoda.asp)

Darth_Wilun
09-26-2005, 03:11 PM
Doh, I definately need to get that Yoda. I bought the spinning attack version. I didn't notice his feet at first, I thought he was funny cos he spun and grabs his crotch (in the packaging at least). http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

On the whole, the ROTS line wasn't too bad with the action features. They were much better concealed compared to the previous lines

Yodajedi
09-26-2005, 04:38 PM
Doh, I definately need to get that Yoda. I bought the spinning attack version. I didn't notice his feet at first, I thought he was funny cos he spun and grabs his crotch (in the packaging at least). http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

On the whole, the ROTS line wasn't too bad with the action features. They were much better concealed compared to the previous lines



Yeah, I need to find him too. Yoda #26 has returned to the pegs for the first time in months, and now he's a pegwarmer.

But yeah, the ROTS action features aren't as bad as the SAGA ones were.

Darth_Tedious
09-26-2005, 04:57 PM
I would think that action features make the figures more expensive to produce as well.

I'd rather that budget were all going toward designing more articulation and better sculpts... or even more interesting pack-ins. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Darth_Wilun
09-26-2005, 05:06 PM
Hasbro trades off accuracy or articulation for the action features which lowers the cost somewhat. If you look at every figure with an action feature, they have at least one part being out of scale or the figure suffers from lack of articulation.

Darth_Tedious
09-26-2005, 05:27 PM
Hasbro trades off accuracy or articulation for the action features which lowers the cost somewhat. If you look at every figure with an action feature, they have at least one part being out of scale or the figure suffers from lack of articulation.



It seems to me that action features have to be MORE expensive than acurrate sculpts or possibly even articulation.

There are all those moving parts to consider, proper assembly, springs or elastics and even the design/engineering that has to go into the action feature from concept to completion.

So wouldn't action features be more expensive to produce? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

craggy
09-26-2005, 05:35 PM
Doh, I definately need to get that Yoda. I bought the spinning attack version. I didn't notice his feet at first, I thought he was funny cos he spun and grabs his crotch (in the packaging at least). http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif


That was the first Yoda I got, and haven't look for a replacement yet. Though I am tempted by Michael Jackson Yoda. Sounds interesting.
I agree that action features can be annoying. I wouldn't mind so long as we could get a proper figure of each character as well as one with a freaky gimmick. But I've liked a lot of the features in this year's toys, so I can't complain too much, just about my battlepack Yavin Duel Anakin's leg breaking off when I tried to pose it.

Darth_Wilun
09-26-2005, 06:24 PM
The action features are simple mechanisms, they are only a few pieces of plastic to make them move. I'm certain Hasbro uses some 'off the shelf' parts and cheaper plastics to cut back on costs. Articulation requires more parts to be made and more detailed figures requires a longer manufacturing \ design process. There are other factors for each type of figure but I'm sure Hasbro only spends a certain price range to manufacture and design each figure, say overall cost of $2-$5 on each figure.

When it does cost more to produce certain types of figures, Hasbro probably balances the cost. For example, for every expensive figure they make, they'll release several 'cheap' figures and charge the same price to make up for the extra costs. Or Hasbro will only manufacture the more expensive figures in smaller quantities.

Nonetheless, with such a large company, a slight increase in costs will make little difference to them as their profits continue to increase. Ultimately, the action features are there to entice kids. If they sell more then the starting costs won't matter much.

Slambo
09-26-2005, 07:17 PM
If you exclude adveritising and Lucas's fees, I'd be shocked if Hasbro spends more than a dollar on any nonexclusive 3.75 inch figure. A "more expensive" figure, as you describe it, would probably cost $1 instead of 50 cents. The packaging and shipping probably costs them another dollar. Advertising and Lucas's fees yet another dollar. The retailers probably spend a dollar on advertising and stocking. To sum up, it costs Hasbro 3 dollars, and they probably sell it to the toy store for a dollar profit at 4 dollars. The store spends another dollar, so what ever it is above 5 dollars is profit for the store.

Darth_Anton
09-26-2005, 08:19 PM
Between E2 and E3, we really didn't see that many action features, if any at all. The features seem to be a gimick for the movies, and now that the movies are done, I think we've seen the last.

DarthRavenger
09-26-2005, 09:50 PM
I know one thing. I want a super articulated
prequel version of Yoda that I can use to sit down
in his respective council chair with cloth hooded
cloak and separate movable legs,his meditating flat chair,his wookiee given gift gimer stick (which is not the ot stick-a cane but is a straight walking stick) full saber and unlit hilt
for his waist. Then... THEN I want my super articulated
classic trilogy old man version of Yoda with wrinkled muppet styled face that comes complete with his dagobah styled wooden cane-(repeat not the pt straight stick but the candy cane shaped stick),his snake,his cloth jacket-which is not a jedi cloak but just a ragged coat with NO hood. He would also come with his boiling pot,utencils,spoons, lantern,flashlight,a totally new tree hut with removable top and a couple dagobah trees,a small swamp section with dragonsnake, x-wing edge diorama turrent accessories (for re-enacting the yoda x-wing force lift scene)and a portion of the darkside tree. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Darth_Tedious
09-26-2005, 10:38 PM
I know one thing. I want a super articulated
prequel version of Yoda that I can use to sit down
in his respective council chair with cloth hooded
cloak and separate movable legs,his meditating flat chair,his wookiee given gift gimer stick (which is not the ot stick-a cane but is a straight walking stick) full saber and unlit hilt
for his waist. Then... THEN I want my super articulated
classic trilogy old man version of Yoda with wrinkled muppet styled face that comes complete with his dagobah styled wooden cane-(repeat not the pt straight stick but the candy cane shaped stick),his snake,his cloth jacket-which is not a jedi cloak but just a ragged coat with NO hood. He would also come with his boiling pot,utencils,spoons, lantern,flashlight,a totally new tree hut with removable top and a couple dagobah trees,a small swamp section with dragonsnake, x-wing edge diorama turrent accessories (for re-enacting the yoda x-wing force lift scene)and a portion of the darkside tree. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



This man likes his Yoda.

Seriously, that would be great. Sounds like it could be a Yoda Evo set.

Wolves_Gale
09-26-2005, 11:43 PM
Goodbye and Good riddance.

Hasbro has told us that 2006 will be a year for collectors, which can be translated to mean that we'll see more toys targeted for an older audience.

In a movie year, the more "gimmicks" and "crap" they can add to a toy, the better. This apparently is all that kids care about, despite the fact that kids aren't the ones that are buying this line. >sigh<

At least the action features were well-hidden this time around. The ROTS was better than the SAGA line for this reason.

But I'm very much looking forward to seeing a Mace Windu similar to Kit Fisto (for example). A super-articulated Yoda would be MOST welcome, even if it's hard to create.



I for one just turned 13 years old don't ****ing like the stupid action features! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif I want uber articulation, acion features are getting on my nerves! Luckily in 2006 it's gone, I'm turning into a collector, or possibly I already am, I've been collecting SW figs for months now, and not because I want action Features, because I appreciate the characters. So go SAGA 2006!!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I REALLY need these two figures, and hopefully Hasbro will make anyting close to it:
* Jango Fett(better artculation, better accesories)
* Grievous (with soft goods and Electro Staff)

GNT
09-27-2005, 02:47 AM
Action features may return in 2007 for the 30th anniversary of ANH if George re-releases all the films again in theatres with even more additions! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif You never know http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Wolves_Gale
09-27-2005, 07:49 AM
Action features may return in 2007 for the 30th anniversary of ANH if George re-releases all the films again in theatres with even more additions! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif You never know http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



lol that's okay, at least there won't POSSIBLY be action features in 2006. So 2007 with action is a bit okay for me, since they're doing non-action feature figs on 2006. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

12501
09-27-2005, 10:16 AM
I don't mind action features as long as they're hidden.

If I can't see it and can't tell its there, then its all good.

But if theres some gigantic button sticking out of a figure or if its plainly obvious that theres an action feature....well that tends to be a bit dissapointing in a figure.

wingsofcinder
09-27-2005, 10:21 AM
Yeah, odds are we won't see action features on the new sculpts we're giving in 2006...since they're mostly a movie year gimmick.

I don't think we'll be completely free of them though, due to the fact that the Saga Collection will include quite a bit of older sculpts it's possible an action feature or to might wind up coming along for the ride.

So, possibly a few (and even then only a very few)...but none on the new sculpts.

Also one comment on the action feature vs. articulation & accuracy bit...I can't help but point out that the Quick-Draw Clone Trooper has much better than normal articulation and a tolerable action feature (that works as advertised) and a very good likeness sculpt. It's the exception to the rule, but it's amazing to me what Hasbro did with that figure.

Skyhoucker
09-27-2005, 12:48 PM
As much as I hope the action features go bye bye, I wouldn't put my money on it. Most Action Figures are still aimed at children, and therefore, SOME action figures have action features. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Darth_Tedious
09-27-2005, 12:56 PM
... Also one comment on the action feature vs. articulation & accuracy bit...I can't help but point out that the Quick-Draw Clone Trooper has much better than normal articulation and a tolerable action feature (that works as advertised) and a very good likeness sculpt. It's the exception to the rule, but it's amazing to me what Hasbro did with that figure.



I can't help but agree with you there. Also with 12501 regarding the hidden action features. Those I can accept.

The Quick Draw Clone is definitely better lookin that most action feature figures. But compared to the SA Clone, it still falls short.

I won't hold my breath, but I hope that in Saga 2 and all subsequent lines, the SA Clone model will be used for Clone variations. Please excuse the irony in that term. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

wingsofcinder
09-27-2005, 01:14 PM
...I won't hold my breath, but I hope that in Saga 2 and all subsequent lines, the SA Clone model will be used for Clone variations. Please excuse the irony in that term. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that for some completely unknown reason Hasbro seems insistent on shipping the SA Clones with only a single short blaster. I know they've made an exception for some Target exclusives...but I have a hard time believing including that rifle justifies doubling the figure's price. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Until they start packing in both weapons for the SA that's actually an edge in favor of the Quick-Draw for me.

Similarly I have a major issue with the fact that they kept packing the long rifle and gun rack with the re-issues of the Commtech Stormtrooper for so long, with no sign of the blaster we usually saw those Troopers with in the movie.