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Yodaman1129
07-20-2005, 01:57 AM
"Hasbro has plans for a new line of Star Wars Choppers, and we've gotten word on three vehicles in the planning stages right now:

Darth Vader's Imperial Chopper
Luke Skywalker's Rebel Chopper
Boba Fett's Bounty Choppper

Imagine your favorite Star Wars characters with weapons drawn racing into battle on top of motorcycles. Yeah, that's right. "

WHY IS IT THAT HASBRO CAN MAKE THESE VEHICLES, BOT NOT MOVIE ONES? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Rune_Haako
07-20-2005, 02:11 AM
Good question.

Deak_Starkiller
07-20-2005, 02:49 AM
More of Hasbro trying out new ideas, without any forecast of how they'll do. I suggest they look at their sales report from last year regarding Playskool Transformers. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Come on Hasbro, quit targeting too much with the kiddie consumer, they don't watch 'American Chopper' that much. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

GNT
07-20-2005, 04:59 AM
Could the line get any worse? Does Hasbro want to run the Star Wars brand into the ground? Seems like it to me!!!

A big pass http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

JediSooner
07-20-2005, 07:22 AM
Oh c'mon! Why not let the Star Wars line BE the Star Wars line? So we possibly have Star Wars-Transformers and NOW we could have Star Wars-Orange County Choppers? That's crazy. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

The_Mike
07-20-2005, 07:26 AM
I think this really depends on how its done. If they are in American Chopperesque form with a standard chopper done up Star Wars style with neat little details that happen to be themed on Boba Fett, Luke and Vader then I think they'll do fine. If they stick a figure on them that alone will ensure pegwarming status.

canadadry
07-20-2005, 07:29 AM
My initial thought was that someone over at Hasbro has been smoking a lot of crack. But on secondthought, more logically, they have a lot of left over motorcycles from some other toy line that they are going to repaint and repackage and then resell.



And then take the money they make to buy more crack. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Drizzit
07-20-2005, 07:29 AM
I think regardless of how these are done they will suck.

Darth_Tedious
07-20-2005, 07:42 AM
I think regardless of how these are done they will suck.



I couldn't agree more. What a stupid idea.

Hasbro: "Sorry ,collectors, we can't afford to make a Cloud Car from the old mould. So how about a brand new mould of a Boba Fett Harley? It has nothing to do with the films - or even Star Wars for that matter, but we know we can slap a Star Wars sticker on any piece of crap and you'll buy it. BYW, we hope you are enjoying your Force Battlers." http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

JediSpyke
07-20-2005, 07:58 AM
This definitly falls into the "What were they thinking" category... As someone else mentioned, the only way these won't totally blow is if they do them as a stylized theme bike and don't try to put a figure on it.

Hard to believe they won't at least release the vintage ships they have molds for.

Spyke

cCc2021
07-20-2005, 08:01 AM
Wow, these new choppers are making the Force Battlers look awesome!

The only reason they are doing this is for money. Motercycles are a big hit lately, so they think they can make some money from it. There is no possible way they think collecters are going to buy this.

cCc

12501
07-20-2005, 08:26 AM
I like choppers (I like American Chopper as well - those guys aren't far from where I live), and I like Star Wars.

This should be interesting.

gMt
07-20-2005, 09:03 AM
Wow. Just.......wow.

Star Wars motorcycles. Reminds me of the days when we vintage collectors had the SW racetrack, where you could race Luke's X-wing car against Vader's TIE car.

I am sure glad the days of putting SW on anything, no matter how unrelated, are over.

Ummmmmmmm........yeah.

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theAlbinoJedi
07-20-2005, 09:25 AM
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(For the sake of space I'm not going to say how truely and deeply I despise this idea.)

Goodbye Star Wars collecting days...

Fisto
07-20-2005, 09:48 AM
I say these will probably end up looking like those stupid Marvel motorcycles, airplanes, cars, monster trucks, etc., etc., etc.... http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Jimree_Wasom
07-20-2005, 09:54 AM
I really don't post on here too much, but this caught my eye This is terrible. It's almost as if hasbro is doing reidiculous things to get out of their contract until 2018.
maybe they relized that they won't make as much and now they are waiting for the fans to start a riot and demand the action figure license goes somewhere else

07-20-2005, 10:04 AM
I only really collect 3 ¾” figures, so maybe I'm not qualified to comment on how silly this idea is.
Of course, some of the 12” figures are nicely done, but they are more expensive and occupy a lot of space.

Unleashed was a great concept, as was the Clone Wars Animated.
Star Wars Kubricks have their appeal, but they can be really difficult to come by.
My wife likes Battle Buddies and Galactic Heroes, both of which are cute and funny and occupy very little space.

For me, though, the line is drawn with:
Force Battlers, Jedi Force, Super Deformed, M&Ms Star Wars Empire, and other clutter like Cup Toppers and Frisbees.

I'm not interested in every piece of plastic that has Star Wars on the package, and I ignore most of it.
This particular item is a good reason why.

*___*
07-20-2005, 10:16 AM
These choppers have figures on them. Well, at leastthe Luke one does from what I have seen.

The_Mike
07-20-2005, 10:25 AM
These choppers have figures on them. Well, at leastthe Luke one does from what I have seen.



Well their goes that saving grace. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

gMt
07-20-2005, 10:33 AM
These choppers have figures on them. Well, at leastthe Luke one does from what I have seen.



All the more reason they suck. I could almost (read that: ALMOST) stomach these if they were done like the American Chopper bike replicas, which I think are cool in their own way.

Having a figure on them makes these even more ridiculous. Picture Tatooine Luke, Vader, or Boba Fett sitting on a low rider, arms high in the air grasping the handle bars. Better yet, maybe the handle bars will be lightsabers! The mental image of that alone makes me want to quit collecting altogther.

Now, let me get this straight, Hasbro: no new ships or Unleashed because the tooling/molds are too expensive, but you'll spend oodles of dollars on brand new molds of something as intricate as a motorcycle (and stick a f---ing action figure on it)?

This has got to be a joke.

07-20-2005, 10:40 AM
These choppers have figures on them.



Somehow, I got the impression that the choppers would be feature sculpts more like the Force Battlers or Jedi Force figures.
Maybe because it strays so far from Star Wars that it seems silly, like the Jedi Force Luke with Tatooine Surfboard, or whatever it was.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Any images out there?

Darth_Anton
07-20-2005, 10:50 AM
These choppers have figures on them. Well, at leastthe Luke one does from what I have seen.



What scale?

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 10:51 AM
Hasbro has indeed jumped the shark! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Please, LFL... save the SW toy line NOW!!!! More than just the 12" needs to be rescued from these #@$!@#! people. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

07-20-2005, 10:53 AM
JUMPED THE SHARK!!!

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Dustin
07-20-2005, 10:57 AM
JUMPED THE SHARK!!!

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



exactly, welcome to the beginning of the end . . .

The_Mike
07-20-2005, 10:58 AM
Hasbro has indeed jumped the shark!



Yup. This would be the point of no return...

Deak_Starkiller
07-20-2005, 11:01 AM
Could the line get any worse? Does Hasbro want to run the Star Wars brand into the ground? Seems like it to me!!!

A big pass http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



I'll be fair in my initial comment. The choices are at least not bad. Vader and Fett character-wise would be potentially good sellers. Everyone wants a Vader, whether it's in 6", potato, skateboard, or even sprinkler form. Luke might be iffy-iffy.

And those of you thinking about a Leia bike...that's iffy-iffy too. Don't think this would be a nice target for the female consumers out there, but who knows? But when Hasbro thinks they can get the ball rolling on a new line with Han, Chewie, or maybe an Artoo, they might think about potential clearances or shelfwarming in those cases.

Always notice that the non-human type character sell better than their human counterparts.

canadadry
07-20-2005, 11:02 AM
[QUOTE=IrishJedi]
Hasbro has indeed jumped the shark!



How ironic, since the origin of the phrase is when the Fonzie jumped a shark on his waterskiing chopper. Now we just need to tie it all back to Kevin Bacon.

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 11:05 AM
exactly, welcome to the beginning of the end . . .



Seriously, this is a total NIGHTMARE. Does Hasbro not realize how ridiculous they have been recently??

And what the @$!#!@ is up with LFL??? Where is the Quality Control? Freakin' Howard Roffman will approve anything these days. What's next, Howard... licensed Star Wars Fruitcakes for the holidays? WTF! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

07-20-2005, 11:07 AM
On the bright side...

If the figures that accompany the choppers are 3 ¾" scale, they will probably be repacks, or at least repaints.

This might be the second time in my figure-collecting experience that I've had to completely ignore something.
The first time was the POTF2 Deluxe figures with accessories that were so ridiculous, that I refuse to acknowledge them at all.
I will consider my collection complete without them.

The_Mike
07-20-2005, 11:10 AM
If the figures that accompany the choppers are 3 ¾" scale, they will probably be repacks, or at least repaints.



One can only hope. Knowing our luck they'll be new sculpts to try and force the collecting community to grab them but you're probably right. Repacks.



And those of you thinking about a Leia bike...that's iffy-iffy too. Don't think this would be a nice target for the female consumers out there, but who knows?



If they did a Slave Leia that might target the male customers too. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 11:12 AM
This might be the second time in my figure-collecting experience that I've had to completely ignore something.
The first time was the POTF2 Deluxe figures with accessories that were so ridiculous, that I refuse to acknowledge them at all.
I will consider my collection complete without them.



Same here. Those were AWFUL. Made the original crappy POTF2 figure sculpts look like gold in comparison.

Remember what Hasbro did with the Batman brand before they ran it into the ground? 16 gazillion different versions of Batman, NONE of which resembling the actual character in any form? Get ready... the mutilation of Star Wars has begun.

Deak_Starkiller
07-20-2005, 11:14 AM
As long as the new sculpts don't involve biker uniforms, I'm OK with it. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

07-20-2005, 11:21 AM
Irish Jedi:

Crowd Control Stormtrooper? It's Star Wars, not Rescue Heroes!

If George Lucas himself can disown the Star Wars Holiday Special, I can ignore embarassing-looking spin-offs...
And still consider my collection complete!

Real_Scooby
07-20-2005, 11:35 AM
I think only Fett´s one would be of interrest to me.

I just hope these are Chopper Speeder bikes or swoops, and not actual bikes with wheels.

07-20-2005, 11:43 AM
I just hope these are Chopper Speeder bikes or swoops, and not actual bikes with wheels.



Exactly! What is so unappealing about this idea is that there are no motorcycles in Star Wars, only speeder bikes and swoop bikes.

There's no way to combine Star Wars with "mundane world" vehicles, that will look good. Is Star Wars NASCAR next?

The_Mike
07-20-2005, 11:45 AM
Just think in a couple of years when we are looking at Nighttime Neon Scuba Attack Anakin, Solar Flare Snare Strike Obi-Wan and Electro Net Techno Armor Vader we'll be saying "Those Chopper Figures weren't that bad"

I'll be holding out for my Ice Cannon Stealth Wing Night Patrol Wicket though. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

07-20-2005, 11:56 AM
Hilarious...And accurate!

Hasbro approve some silly concepts, don't they?
I remember being a child, and wondering what in the world The Fridge had to do with G.I. JOE.
I lost interest in GI Joe in 1988 or so, but I've always enjoyed Star Wars, and hope it doesn't go the way of every other Hasbro thing.

jedi_shadow
07-20-2005, 12:09 PM
Will the figures have leather jackets?

Huff
07-20-2005, 12:16 PM
Blah. More crap. Every year the last couple of years my spending on Hasbro SW stuff has dwindled. I guess eventually I'll be forced to quite due to the junk they keep coming out with. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Amanaman
07-20-2005, 12:39 PM
I hate to say this, but maybe it's time for LFL to revoke Hasbro's license for making toys while under the influence.

07-20-2005, 12:46 PM
That would probably only happen if the sales were really, really poor.

So, the best reaction in this case would be to not buy the thing.

*___*
07-20-2005, 12:55 PM
You guys know these "Bump-N-Go" bikes they have in stores with the FF and Spider-Man riding them? Same thing, only Star Wars.

Looks like Luke has his X-wing helmet on and comes with a lightsaber.

Krull
07-20-2005, 12:58 PM
You guys know these "Bump-N-Go" bikes they have in stores with the FF and Spider-Man riding them? Same thing, only Star Wars.

Looks like Luke has his X-wing helmet on and comes with a lightsaber.


You're kidding....

The_Mike
07-20-2005, 12:59 PM
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/4816/bumpango5nj.jpg

A visual for ya....I guess Battle Force Samurai Strike Jar-Jar might be a step up.... http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

07-20-2005, 01:08 PM
Thanks for the visual.

I can relax now, and ignore these because they simply don't count as Star Wars figures.

Neither do the Anakin, Sebulba, or Watto pencil erasers, but at least they were cute and had a use.

12501
07-20-2005, 01:38 PM
Who knew three motorcycles were such a big deal....

:sigh:

theAlbinoJedi
07-20-2005, 01:48 PM
Those guys at Hasbro have a great sense of humor, let me tell you... This would be a great practical joke if only they didn't carry it to the point of actually making and selling these things.

07-20-2005, 02:21 PM
Who knew three motorcycles were such a big deal...



I actually like motocycles. I just don't want motorcycles in my Star Wars. That's what speeder bikes are for.

EeChooTaa
07-20-2005, 02:28 PM
What sucks for me personally is that 2006 looks very promising and has me very excited about the possibilities but it will only be POS stuff like this and force battlers that I'll be able to find hanging on pegs at retail. Forcing another year of eBay and scalper online retailer prices for things that should be easy to find.

PhearTheSpork
07-20-2005, 02:34 PM
Bump and go starwars? I think hasbro finally heard our screams for EU - but somewhere along the lines they got confused with what EU we wanted. Maybe this'll cause us to stop asking for EU Toys?
"But mommy I want a Darth Maul Bump-n-go Sith cycle!"

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 02:37 PM
Who knew three motorcycles were such a big deal....

:sigh:



Uh, do you really think this is JUST about this ridiculous Star Wars Choppers idea? This is merely another symptom of the bigger, real issue... which is that Hasrbo does not have a #@!$@! clue when it comes to this license anymore.

Seriously, their recent ideas go beyond killing the goose that lays the golden egg. They are mutilating the goose, grinding up its bones, and scrambling the golden egg along with it. Another 6-12 months of this garbage and the brand will likely be as dead as it was 1987-1992.

Hasbro is threatening to kill the hobby cold with their decision-making. So, yeah... we have a right to be a bit peeved.

07-20-2005, 02:49 PM
I was going to eat that goose!

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knightone
07-20-2005, 03:03 PM
One word: Yeesh!

Darth_Tedious
07-20-2005, 03:38 PM
JUMPED THE SHARK!!!

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



LOL! Which chopper did they use?! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

07-20-2005, 03:43 PM
Which chopper did they use?! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



You know, the one Luke rides round Tatooine in the OT. The one we see being built in the PT. You know.

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12501
07-20-2005, 04:25 PM
Who knew three motorcycles were such a big deal....

:sigh:



Uh, do you really think this is JUST about this ridiculous Star Wars Choppers idea? This is merely another symptom of the bigger, real issue... which is that Hasrbo does not have a #@!$@! clue when it comes to this license anymore.

Seriously, their recent ideas go beyond killing the goose that lays the golden egg. They are mutilating the goose, grinding up its bones, and scrambling the golden egg along with it. Another 6-12 months of this garbage and the brand will likely be as dead as it was 1987-1992.

Hasbro is threatening to kill the hobby cold with their decision-making. So, yeah... we have a right to be a bit peeved.




Trust me, I realize it goes well beyond the motorcycles, I have to read some of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life every day it seems when I come to any Star Wars message board http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

And no one said you didn't have the right to be peeved, so don't try pulling that crap with me. If this turns into some stupid "you're trying to suppress my opinion" topic....UGH.

Okay, so their recent ideas?

Lets see.....what were their recent ideas as of late?

Well, lets start with the Clone Wars line. The basic line - great. The animated line? Pretty much flawless if you ask me.

What about the OTC line. Packaging? Well I seem to remember that people raved about it. The figures? Sure, most were rehashes/repaints, but they were good figures nonetheless.

Sure theres the dilemma of Cantina Han, but honestly of all the griping people did over him I only ever saw him ONCE. Of course, that doesn't mean it was that way the world-over, but it wasn't THAT bad, at least not as blood-curdling, heads rolling everywhere you turn bad.

(And yes, if Hasbro releases that figure one more time I'll be claiming "overkill").

How about the VOTC line? Wait, does anything really need to be said? Just "VOTC"....thats about it.

The POTC? Same boat as the OTC line if you ask me. Great figures, great packaging (and I'm a loose collector and I loved the OTC/POTC packaging).

ROTS? Oh man, where do I begin? Last year I seem to remember people begging for more clones. This year, as of right now, the predicted total of clones we'll have gotten by years end is roughly 40...as of right now. The soft goods were great, the details were great....the lines been good so far IMO.

How about the Bail/Leia & Obi-Wan/Luke sets? I remember people begging for those earlier this year as well.

And new Bib Fortuna's and Boushh Leia's? Everyone wanted em as of last year, so here they are.

Putting the Unleashed line on haitus was probably not the best move, I'll agree.

I'm also amazed at how many figures I've seen people put on their wish lists with "repaint/retooling" at the end of the characters name. I could have swore people were sick of repaints, but it seems like people just want Hasbro to keep taking figures and repainting them and popping arms out of one guy and tossing them on another.

But I seriously doubt the line will die as soon as you and 98% of the collecting community seem to think. Go read the article about Hasbro's earnings this year (granted it was a movie year, but they did quite well). I seem to see a lot of people blowing the most absurd, meaningless things out of the water. Blood vessels are probably popping behind millions of computer screens over a few rehashes and three motorcycles. I just don't get it. Goodbye rationality.

When they quit making basic figures and everything else are packaged in sandwich bags I'll be worried. When we get the same line year after year....I'll be worried. As long as we get variety, new figures, sculpts, good quality figures like we've been getting all along (minus the rehashes of course)....I'll be worried.

Hasbro is far from a perfect company, and sure there are many bumps in the road, but the road as of late has been a lot more of a smoother ride. The ROTS line was about flawless IMO, and the future doesn't look so bleak, I actually can't wait for next year. The 2006 figures are, as Hasbro stated, collector friendly, which is a good thing if it means I have to read less complaining about a little piece of plastic not being able to do backflips and walk through walls. So far the character selection looks good too.

I'll protest the re-packaging of another Cantina Han along with everyone else, but when things are bad it probably doesn't help to blow it all out of proportion. Three motorcycles don't seem to be that big a deal if you ask me. And again, I don't see much "bad" in the past, aside from some 5-packs full of rehashes (which oddly enough vanished from every store I went to last year...weird, who'd want that?). Did Hasbro say they were coming out with jet-skiing Greedo and kayaking Chewie yet? No....so I'll toss the three motorcycles aside.

Besides, as of right now all we heard was "Hasbro plans to make Luke, Boba, and Darth on choppers" and everyones acting like the national terror threat level has been raised to black, duct tape is flying and gas masks are being grabbed left and right. Its all too much....

Maybe its just me, but I prefer to stay calm about it all and not strap on the Huggies and start poopin' away over things like this or anything else that might not be pleasant to the ears. I mean I wouldn't take anybody seriously if they flipped off the deep end and resorted to name calling . You can bet I'd be sending them nothing but garbage. I just can't tolerate immaturity and irrationality, thats just me though.

If I was Hasbro, oh man you bet things would be different. It'd be OTC all the way, VOTC figures galore. No more action features (I actually didn't mind the ROTS ones, they were well hidden which sufficed). There'd be an entire line devoted to clones and army builders. No figure would be rehashed unless it was of VOTC-quality or higher, which is a bit hard to imagine but whatever.

Maybe thats the problem, they ought to hire someone from these forums to run the Star Wars line (I know there are a large amount of talented people on the RS forums alone that make some damn good customs, Hasbro might want to look into hiring them).

Okay, thats long enough.

Patrokls
07-20-2005, 04:39 PM
The Spiderman Bump N Go's sell very well. Hasbro is just trying to steal a little action from Toy Biz. They aren't my cup of tea, but not everything needs to be.

07-20-2005, 05:04 PM
Wow, 12501. That was the longest post I've seen so far!

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

You made all the relevant points, though, and I agree.
I'm not including these figures in my collection, and that's all right with me, because the Saga Collection sounds great!

Tyranusspotting
07-20-2005, 05:27 PM
The Spiderman Bump N Go's sell very well. Hasbro is just trying to steal a little action from Toy Biz. They aren't my cup of tea, but not everything needs to be.



You're absolutely right! Hasbro is copying ToyBiz! Remember the Rescue Hero-like Spiderman figures from 2001-2002? Well, Hasbro did release the Force Battlers and Jedi Force(?) figures!

Now choppers.

P.S.: Stop complaining about the 2" UNLEASHED Battle Packs! If you wanna complain about ideas being crap- take the Choppers line or Attacktix line instead. I really wonder how these choppers will look like. If anything, Vader should wear a leather jacket with a cape. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 05:31 PM
12501, no one is really being irrational here. Trust me, it's all in perspective. This is not life and death stuff. It's collecting. TOY collecting, at that. But also remember that this discourse is taking place in a TOY COLLECTING forum. So naturally everything said is with relevance. Don't pull the "national security" analogy out of thin air. That is altogether immaterial, unfair, and a cop-out. It's exactly the kind of tactic Hasbro uses ("well, these are just kids toys we're talking about") when they attempt to duck and run. Not saying that's what you're doing, but it could be taken that way. There is no reason to insult the intelligence (or rationality) of anyone on these boards. When I want to discuss SW collecting related issues (pro or con) I tend to do it right here. If I want to discuss important global matters, I'll do it elsewhere. And I can do all of this while remaining firmly grounded in reality. I have a wife, 3 kids, house, yadda yadda yadda. Trust me, I know what's important. And pieces of molded plastic shaped into my favorite characters are not even a spec on the radar. However, when I'm ON HERE... it's all the perspective I need to discuss what is right and wrong with the hobby. And what Hasbro has been doing lately is pretty much all WRONG, in my opinion. And I know I'm not alone. That simple.

I know you're trying to be the voice of reason here, but really in its proper perspective it just comes across as the usual Hasbro Apologist post. Trust me, it's not necessary. As far as I know, nobody is starting to run up to Hasbro HQ with torches and pitchforks. But we can and WILL wage a war of words when we're upset... because other that simply boycotting their products (which some of us have already done) speaking our opinion is all we can do.

It's best to just let people vent.

INDY
07-20-2005, 05:31 PM
Hasbro should at the least question us about what we would be interested in buying. They don't. They really don't care what we want. Their decisions are based on what will bring in money. Image the time, talent (I'll use THIS term loosely) and money that will be wasted to develop these things that very few people will buy. Just imagine if they developed three new vehicles for the 3 3/4 line instead.

These choppers and the transformers narrow their consumer base down even further. That can not be profitable.

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 05:35 PM
Hasbro should at the least question us about what we would be interested in buying. They don't. They really don't care what we want.



BINGO! What's worse, they actually buy into (and perpetuate) the laughable notion that collectors barely make up a small portion of the SW market. I mean, what planet are these people from???

INDY
07-20-2005, 05:46 PM
At times I really think Hasbro looks at us as uneducated morons. I'm sure there are plenty of members with higher levels of education in every field, not to mention marketing and business.

The absolute truth of the matter is that in non-movie years, the collectors ARE their only market.

07-20-2005, 05:53 PM
Well said, Irish Jedi!

I don't work in market research (my wife does http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif), so I can't say how many SW consumers are actually collectors, but it seems like Hasbro is trying to please too many consumers at once.

Maybe what we need is another, probably smaller company to create a line of collector-specific figures. Not statues or mini-busts, just figures. We've invested quite a bit in the Kenner/Hasbro figures already, though, so instead of dropping SW altogether, maybe Hasbro could just partition their concepts better. I'll never buy Force Battlers or Jedi Force, and that's all right, because they're not at all related to my figure collection.

As long as concepts like Bump'N'Go stay out of the collectors range, I'll be fine with it, and my collection will continue to grow.

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 06:07 PM
I don't work in market research (my wife does http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif), so I can't say how many SW consumers are actually collectors, but it seems like Hasbro is trying to please too many consumers at once.



Actually, it goes way beyond that. They are in fact neglecting and even spurning their largest group of consumers (collectors) and thumbing their noses at the same time with these asinine figures that state that kids make up 80-90+% of Star Wars sales. Uh-huh. Whatever. I suppose they also have some beachfront property on Dagobah for sale. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

And yeah, in movie years kids do make up a sizeable portion of the sales. But you know what... I still doubt that market dwarfs the collectors market even in a movie year. I know it was "Launch Day" and naturally brought out the collectors but on 4/2 I barely saw any kids in the SW aisles that weren't dragged their by their parent (who was the collector).

It would be one thing if Hasbro just put out bad product and made bad decisions. But to come out and claim that collectors don't make up a sizeable chunk of their sales (and make snide remarks along with it) is to spit in our faces. AND IT'S NOT EVEN TRUE!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

07-20-2005, 06:17 PM
Well said.

If there was a range of figures that featured all the characters, of the quality and accuracy of the OTC (including VOTC and POTC) range, I would replace my entire collection with it. No more ridiculous weapons as in POTF2, and no more action features, low-quality materials, or lazy paint applications seen so regularly in SAGA and ROTS. I would even sacrifice articulation for superior sculpts. I would even pay slightly more.

Hasbro is capable of such things. Maybe the Saga Collection will surprise us...

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 06:28 PM
Oh, no doubt. I agree. And one can always hope. And I'll be the first to say that the OTC (specifically, the VOTC) was probably the best thing they've ever done. But Hasbro has some MAJOR issues with how they are running the license... and it's at the exact worst time now that there won't be any new movies to bail them out.

I also think it's important to remember that we're all on the same "side" here. And certainly nobody WANTS to be constantly disappointed by Hasbro.

DarthRavenger
07-20-2005, 07:51 PM
I agree on us collector's being the reason for the line and its the truth. What get's me though is their constant
excuses on making new molds for ships and playsets.
They seem to think its no bug deal to take a gamble on
crap like like making new molds for force battlers,those force 8 inch figures and attatix and now these chopper
turds. If they would put half the amount of time and resources into making quality big items like vehicles/playsets/diarama-accessories then the hasbro toyline would be the king of toys but nooo they still
continue to feed us that crap about cost and such all the while giving us eventual clearance kiddie clutter that waste even more money than a limited run of certain vehic/diarama pieces for the hardcore collectors. The fact of the matter is starwars is a golden name in the merchandise licensing world and there are so many exciting
opportunities that could be explored for with fans but
they haven't even been touched IMHO. The SW films are
so unique with their visual imagery and possibilities
that if we could see just a smideon of cool stuff
it would more than satisfy us. All i want are small diarama
pieces or mini plysets if you will to hook together to make
scenes like yodas hutt or felucia flowers or any of the various conference rooms sans' computer consoles/light-up
accessories but we continually get nothing. Hopefully Lucasfilm will realize in the soon to be future (like they did with the 12' line) that there is a market for reasonably priced and limited edition 3 3/4 playsets/accessories and vehicles.

RediNight
07-20-2005, 10:44 PM
MEMO

CEO and crew to Product Development:

There is so much to make, and so many ideas to work on to continue with our high selling, super popular, toy line called Star Wars. We can make so much money on good ideas, and you all have come up with a lot. Last weeks meeting went super well, it was a blast and we got a lot of ideas fleshed out. Your product ideas are super!!! We are going ahead with it. Our previous Star War products such as, Darth Tater, Force Battlers, Jedi Force, and MPire toys, (that some thought were not going to sell because of their silly nature) proved that we can slap anything Star War on anything and the fans buy it up. I think last weeks ideas were just as good, along with Lukes and other "original trilogy" characters that we can re-use I am giving the green light to make. The chopper idea is cool, the Transformers idea is good. I am glad we decided to kill the 12" line and killing GI Joe gives us a lot of time to think up these great products. If these ideas don't sell (they should) we could (if necessary) work real hard on making ships like the cloud carriage and the sith fighter thing the fans have screamed over. Hey! I got an idea, let's combine Little Pony and Star War.

Thanks again for all your hard work you fine Hasblo people!!! Let's get out there and make 'em smile.

rnbuda
07-20-2005, 10:48 PM
MEMO

CEO and crew to Product Development:

There is so much to make, and so many ideas to work on to continue with our high selling, super popular, toy line called Star Wars. We can make so much money on good ideas, and you all have come up with a lot. Last weeks meeting went super well, it was a blast and we got a lot of ideas fleshed out. Your product ideas are super!!! We are going ahead with it. Our previous Star War products such as, Darth Tater, Force Battlers, Jedi Force, and MPire toys, (that some thought were not going to sell because of their silly nature) proved that we can slap anything Star War on anything and the fans buy it up. I think last weeks ideas were just as good, along with Lukes and other "original trilogy" characters that we can re-use I am giving the green light to make. The chopper idea is cool, the Transformers idea is good. I am glad we decided to kill the 12" line and killing GI Joe gives us a lot of time to think up these great products. If these ideas don't sell (they should) we could (if necessary) work real hard on making ships like the cloud carriage and the sith fighter thing the fans have screamed over. Hey! I got an idea, let's combine Little Pony and Star War.

Thanks again for all your hard work you fine Hasblo people!!! Let's get out there and make 'em smile.



Its like those commericals about smoking, "IT BE FUNNY...IF WASN'T TRUE!" I hate hasbro!

07-20-2005, 10:49 PM
Very good...How about Star Wars Bratz for the girls?

Also, I like your signature. Seriously.

IrishJedi
07-20-2005, 11:00 PM
LMAO RediNight! I especially like the singular "Star War" in the memo. Nice touch.

rnbuda
07-20-2005, 11:17 PM
Very good...How about Star Wars Bratz for the girls?

Also, I like your signature. Seriously.



Hey, maybe if they did that we would get a nice 12" Padme or leia! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Some with different outfits, make a big [censored] pink starship, it'd be hot! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

07-20-2005, 11:22 PM
I can only imagine the descriptive word that was censored...

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Naughty "Urban" Leia would be hilarious though.

rnbuda
07-20-2005, 11:27 PM
I can only imagine the descriptive word that was censored...

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Naughty "Urban" Leia would be hilarious though.



Hahaha, how about Baby Bratz leia and luke? Double pack..all right http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

07-20-2005, 11:31 PM
The new Skywalka gonna be straight-up dope!

INDY
07-21-2005, 11:05 AM
Dear Hasbro, some suggestions...

Banking Clan H.I.S.S.
Trade Federation MORRAY
Clone FANG
Jedi USS FLAGG

you get the general idea.....

I was also thinking about a Star Wars Boba Fett, GI Joe Jeep, and Cybertron Jeep 3-way transformer thingy.

And all GI Joes in the future should have lightsabers....

The_Mike
07-21-2005, 11:13 AM
I think we can picture at least what the Star Wars Transformers will look like.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1131/armadaunicronhasbropic7ln.jpg http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5779/armadaunicronhasbropic25ik.jpg

With some retooling I think we're looking at the Death Star/Emperor Palpatine release!

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dan_Cziraky
08-31-2005, 12:08 AM
I just don't want motorcycles in my Star Wars.


Hasbro employee #1 bumps into Hasbro employee #2 in the hallway. Both are carrying toy prototypes.

Employee #1: Hey, you got your Star Wars on my motorcycle!

Employee #2: Yeah, well, you got your motorcycle in my Star Wars!

They both look at each other. Cue "ding!" sound fx and superimpose GLOWING LIGHTBULB.

GNT
10-18-2005, 03:03 AM
Star Wars Customs wave 1 includes 2 individually packaged Customs: 1x Darth Vader, 1x Luke Skywalker (subject to change).

Star Wars Customs bring elements from two worlds in to a plastic, pull-back action toy. These motorcycles from a galaxy far, far away combine elements of signature characters and vehicles with non-removable action figures with limited articulation

Picture (http://images.entertainmentearth.com//AUTOIMAGES/HS85773Alg.jpg)

JangoandBobaFett
10-18-2005, 03:13 AM
Not to be mean but, I think these are the most retarded things I've ever seen.

stylie_steve
10-18-2005, 03:40 AM
Not to be mean but, I think these are the most retarded things I've ever seen.



Thats being polite!

I think whoever thought of this idea should be tied down and force feed each and every single Star Wars Custom that is being made, be made to throw them all up and have to eat them agian.

I thought I had seen the worst idea ever with Star Wars transformers but they look genius compared to these super retarded pills of retarded crap that that has been stepped in a 100 times scooped up mixed with more crap, set on fire then shot into Uranus!

Now thats being mean and if you havn't guessed I will not being buying these.

Neal
10-18-2005, 07:43 AM
Like I said in another thread, the only thing that is remotely amusing about these is that R2 is along for the ride on Luke's Hog. And that's it.

Padawan311
10-18-2005, 01:12 PM
Just saw a pic of these this morning, first reaction...WTF???!!!!, Ridiculous, but I guess they are just for the little ones, I wont be buying these, period.

theropod
10-18-2005, 07:00 PM
There's a Hasbro R&D marketeer that needs to be shot... from a cannon. Obviously the Star Wars line is becoming a Circus. The clowns have taken over. F Hasbro.
Between this and those Transformers, I'm going to lose it.
I think I'll burn my entire collection of modern and vintage collection in effigy.

Maynard
10-18-2005, 07:30 PM
An awful concept, indeed.

12501
10-18-2005, 07:36 PM
These, IMO, are in the same category as the Galactic Heroes, Force Battlers, the M&M's figures, etc.....not worth my/the effort or money or time. No surprise here if you ask me. Another bland concept.

GNT
10-19-2005, 03:57 AM
The main thing is to collect what you like. Don't like simply don't buy it. Stick to the Basic 3inch toy line.

Neal
10-25-2005, 10:20 AM
Godammit.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/news/starwars/85862.jpg

http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/news/starwars/85864.jpg

http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/news/starwars/85863.jpg

tauntaunweequay
10-25-2005, 10:29 AM
Glory stealer! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Neal
10-25-2005, 10:55 AM
Glory stealer! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Actually, I posted the pics in this thread and then went over to the ROTS section and saw your post. Either way ... I could care less. You can post the pics if you want and I'll delete them from mine.

tauntaunweequay
10-25-2005, 02:38 PM
Oh stop, its the internet! I was totally joking http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Neal
10-25-2005, 02:41 PM
Oh stop, its the internet! I was totally joking http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif



I know.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

royalguard96
10-25-2005, 02:48 PM
"It's not cost effective for us to produce a figure the size of Ephant Mon again." - Hasbro

Then they give us these....

Seriously Hasbro, what the hell is wrong with you guys? First the Transformers and now this? You complain about the costs of producing SA figures, the size of a brilliant figure like Ephant Mon, that people rave about, and yet you take the same pool of money and make this garbage?

PASS! (Oh, and I don't think you'll find many people who won't PASS)

dsl89
10-25-2005, 03:39 PM
If Hasbro is trying to compete with Toy Biz and Mattell's Super-Hero moter cycles.... STOP!!!!!

THEY DON'T SELL!!!!!

These will clog the pegs and shelves!

They don't even look cool at all!

At least I could actually see myself picking up one of the Transformers (being an old AF fan, these look like the closest things to them)! I could never see myself picking one up!

http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

And they can't make us some decent figures!!!!

neplusultra
10-25-2005, 03:53 PM
I'm not sure what else to say that has'nt already been said,but I need to throw in my 2 cents about this & express my sheer outrage at the absolute garbage that Hasbro continures to churn out month after month. The lack of imagination,the taking of short-cuts when it comes to producing new figures & lines of SW merchandise is simply grotesque!
Seems as thought when Hasbro "listens" to the collector for new figures or "steals" our ideas as customizers,they do the most Half- ***** job in the world! The most perfect example of this is GREE.
I complain about Hasbro,yet I continue to give them my hard earned money when they bring out stuff I enjoy.I am a hypocrite,I admit it! I can honestly say though,if they do away with the galactic heroes line soon & don't contine with these new SAGA figures,or do more things like The VOTC & OTC lines, I won't be buying anything much from them in the future. If this happens I'll commision someone like Chewie on a monthly basis to make me new figures. Lord knows his paint jobs are better & his figures are 90% of the times more creative than Hasbro's.
Ok,I'm done. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

RediNight
10-25-2005, 05:18 PM
We all should buy them and then donate the plastic to Hasbro so they can make something worthwhile. But, you know honestly, I think retailers like this crap, the buyers like it, they think this is what sells. Low cost, high markup. I guarantee you walmart had some say in it. They look at all those bumb and goes from toybiz's array of comic book movies (all those just taking up shelf space) and say, "Yes! This stuff is great! More!"

count_doofus
10-25-2005, 05:33 PM
These motorcycles from a galaxy far, far away



Actually, I think these are probably from a place further away than that........................

Dan_Cziraky
10-26-2005, 03:08 AM
I think they're from the place where crack cocaine is sprinkled on breakfast cereals by toy designers. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

GNT
10-26-2005, 04:14 AM
"It's not cost effective for us to produce a figure the size of Ephant Mon again." - Hasbro

Then they give us these....

Seriously Hasbro, what the hell is wrong with you guys? First the Transformers and now this? You complain about the costs of producing SA figures, the size of a brilliant figure like Ephant Mon, that people rave about, and yet you take the same pool of money and make this garbage?



Don't forget these are aimed at kids.

I'll pass.