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lordachilles
04-20-2005, 03:53 PM
alot of people seem to hate jar jar why,sure hes annoying and an oaf but whats your reasons

bjlevine
04-20-2005, 04:11 PM
Sit down and watch the original Star Wars. Count the number of times you genuinely laugh (which is nearly every time Han or 3PO open their mouths).

Now watch TPM and count the number of times you laugh (you may want to keep track of the number of times you wince).

Forget stupid, forget stereotypes, forget everything else...he's just not funny.

He steps in crap, he gets his tongue pulled, he gets his tongue zapped, he bumbles his way to victory. Its just all too lame. He has one, count 'em, one line that could be construed as funny. Other than that, a character that I didn't need to see in the SW universe.

12501
04-20-2005, 04:30 PM
I don't mind Jar Jar. Sure, not the best character they could have thrown in there, but I'm not about to let ONE movie character ruin anything for me.

He's a minor detail in my book. Things are only what you let them be, and if you let Jar Jar Binks annoy you then he will. I, however, choose to ignore him.

Plus I'd prefer to spend my time more productively than wasting it complaining about a character from a movie like I've seen many a number of people do http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Neil
04-20-2005, 05:01 PM
Can't say he really "bothers" me as such, I'd just rather he weren't there. I dislike him because of the cringe moments. People for TPM as their first SW eperience and were basically "why do you like this crap?"

I see the neccesity of the character, for better of worse the character fulfills a role. In the theatre I witnessed little kids wetting themselves with laughter at the Jarjar scenes, he's there for the kids, a level of comic relief, plain and simple.

I just don't see why the droids couldn't fill that role, they managed ok in the OT.

Darth_Vex
04-20-2005, 09:41 PM
Once he said this line "Oh maxi big the force..." I was asking myself how does he know about the force. I mean come on Jar Jar would ride the short bus, I mean sub to school. Its not like he is going to know what the force is. But I do not hate him I just wish he had more of a limited part in TPM.

jediguy
04-20-2005, 09:56 PM
I pretty much agree for the aformentioned reasons, plus consider the following:

They needed a RETARD to vote for giving Palpatine all the power in the senate. And Jar Jar is, of course, the man of retardness, heh.

JediKnight87
04-21-2005, 01:38 AM
I don't really hate Jar Jar. He's just annoying especially in the TPM game. He runs around and you have to chase him to lead you to Boss Nass.

Darth_Blowchunk
04-21-2005, 03:43 AM
I agree with most of what's being said; I can't say I actually hate him, but he's often irritating and certainly not funny to anyone over the age of five. I know he did fulfill an important role in Palpatine's rise to power but I'm not sure that makes up for all his cringeworthy antics. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The_Real_Jango_Fett
04-21-2005, 09:15 AM
He's not the greatest character, but I've accepted him as part of the saga, and don't let him bother me too much. Still, TPM could have been humorous without him... the Pit Droids, Battle Droids and whatnot would have been more than enough.

Census
04-21-2005, 09:58 AM
Still, TPM could have been humorous without him... the Pit Droids, Battle Droids and whatnot would have been more than enough.



I don't have a problem with Jar Jar but I agree. Hey did anyone see the three Stooges act on the extended deleted pod race scene from the DVD? Cute stuff.

blaster_E11
04-21-2005, 10:23 AM
lucas should have used him the way he used han solo in the OT,
even TPM obi isn't sarcastic enough

as i've already confessed, my wife loves jar-jar and makes me buy jar-jar figs http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif

bjlevine
04-21-2005, 10:47 AM
lucas should have used him the way he used han solo in the OT,
even TPM obi isn't sarcastic enough

as i've already confessed, my wife loves jar-jar and makes me buy jar-jar figs http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif


Interesting idea. What if jar Jar wasn't an outcast for being a bumbling fool, but for being a con man or something. Give him a cool sneaky voice and have him running his cons, to the advantage or disadvantage of the Jedi. Seems like something along that line would've been way better (and Lucas could still have his CG character).

DARKTR00PER
04-21-2005, 11:39 AM
my wife loves jar-jar and makes me buy jar-jar figs http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif



Same here http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I hate him less than I did, The reasons I hate him are:

Trying to watch a semi serious movie, with a clown shouting "wesa going hommmmme!"

Watch when Obi-Wan meets him for the first time, Who's Obi looking at? someone behind him?

Neil
04-21-2005, 11:45 AM
Then we'd all still be here only it would be a thread about how Jarjar was be a rip off of Hans character and how GL recycles all his idea.

Still, it'd be preferrable

philraymond
04-21-2005, 12:55 PM
Man, this bush has been beat to death. But I'm always up for a good Jar Jar bashing.

One of the MANY reasons why Jar Jar is the worst character in movie history is that he is a cartoon character. I'm not just referring to the fact that he is completely CGI. Everything he says and does, and everything that happens to him is straight out of a cheesy cartoon. The only difference is that cartoons are often funny.

It isn't even remotely believable that someone could grab his tongue and hold onto it. It's not funny either. It's just stupid. None of the other characters can even look at him straight in his eyes. Every scene is awkward because they have to make it seem like Jar Jar is actually there. The way he walks and moves around is ridiculous. Every last movement he makes is amplified, as if that is somehow funny by default(?).

We (the audience) are never convinced that he is real. There is nothing real about him. Heck, the CGI isn't even very good. It's the type of character that you would find in a bad sitcom - the one that makes you cringe. It's the lazy-writer's comic relief. Just give him some dumb one-liners and let a bunch of stupid things happen to him. But I digress.. my point is that he is a dumb cartoon. There is no attachement to him because we don't believe he's real. An audience could probably tolerate a bumbling idiot with stupid lines if it were a real character and not a cartoon. Heck, Jerry Lewis was once popular. Unfortunately, this is the 21st century and costumes/puppets are considered old-fashioned. Technology sure has ruined a lot of great things.

Phil

Mobile_Artillery
04-21-2005, 02:14 PM
Can't say he really "bothers" me as such, I'd just rather he weren't there. I dislike him because of the cringe moments. People for TPM as their first SW eperience and were basically "why do you like this crap?"

I see the neccesity of the character, for better of worse the character fulfills a role. In the theatre I witnessed little kids wetting themselves with laughter at the Jarjar scenes, he's there for the kids, a level of comic relief, plain and simple.

I just don't see why the droids couldn't fill that role, they managed ok in the OT.



You're pretty much right. He was there for the kiddie appeal, we aren't kiddies per se, thus he does not appeal to us. There is no point in hating Jar Jar.

12501
04-21-2005, 02:15 PM
Man, this bush has been beat to death. But I'm always up for a good Jar Jar bashing.

One of the MANY reasons why Jar Jar is the worst character in movie history is that he is a cartoon character. I'm not just referring to the fact that he is completely CGI. Everything he says and does, and everything that happens to him is straight out of a cheesy cartoon. The only difference is that cartoons are often funny.

It isn't even remotely believable that someone could grab his tongue and hold onto it. It's not funny either. It's just stupid. None of the other characters can even look at him straight in his eyes. Every scene is awkward because they have to make it seem like Jar Jar is actually there. The way he walks and moves around is ridiculous. Every last movement he makes is amplified, as if that is somehow funny by default(?).

We (the audience) are never convinced that he is real. There is nothing real about him. Heck, the CGI isn't even very good. It's the type of character that you would find in a bad sitcom - the one that makes you cringe. It's the lazy-writer's comic relief. Just give him some dumb one-liners and let a bunch of stupid things happen to him. But I digress.. my point is that he is a dumb cartoon. There is no attachement to him because we don't believe he's real. An audience could probably tolerate a bumbling idiot with stupid lines if it were a real character and not a cartoon. Heck, Jerry Lewis was once popular. Unfortunately, this is the 21st century and costumes/puppets are considered old-fashioned. Technology sure has ruined a lot of great things.

Phil



Talk about beating a bush to death http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

bjlevine
04-21-2005, 03:20 PM
Then we'd all still be here only it would be a thread about how Jarjar was be a rip off of Hans character and how GL recycles all his idea.

Still, it'd be preferrable


Han was a mercenary, but not a self-serving criminal. Except for about 10 minutes in ANH, you never feel like he is disloyal.

And that was just an idea I had, but I can think of about a dozen original personalities that Jar Jar could have had that would've been preferable.

Census
04-21-2005, 07:33 PM
I bet a lot of people would've liked it if Jar Jar went off the water fall with the Bongo in TPM. If you saw the delete scene when the trio (Obi, Qui Gon, Jar Jar) arrival at theed you'd know what I mean.

A short synopsis: The trio arrived at theed still in the bongo. Qui Gon stood up and realized they would go off a water fall if they didn't get away. There wasn't any power for the bongo. Qui Gon shot a cord to a theed wall, and he and Obi jumped the water while holding on to the cord. Jar Jar stayed on the bongo until the last minute when he then fell off and swam. I know some people wanted him to stay in the bongo http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Willy_Wampa
04-21-2005, 11:02 PM
I don't hate Jar Jar, but have to agree with what others have said. Guess the thing that really bothers me is his voice. Like the other SW films, I'd read the novelization first and imagined Jar Jar with a much deeper "island" voice. Think James Earl Jones or Geoffrey Holder doing Jar Jar. He'd come across as intelligent, yet bumbling instead of being a total fool.

bjlevine
04-22-2005, 07:32 AM
I don't hate Jar Jar, but have to agree with what others have said. Guess the thing that really bothers me is his voice. Like the other SW films, I'd read the novelization first and imagined Jar Jar with a much deeper "island" voice. Think James Earl Jones or Geoffrey Holder doing Jar Jar. He'd come across as intelligent, yet bumbling instead of being a total fool.


As long as he didn't break into "Under the Sea".

gunship_mechanic
04-22-2005, 10:47 PM
I don't mind Jar Jar. Sure, not the best character they could have thrown in there, but I'm not about to let ONE movie character ruin anything for me.

He's a minor detail in my book. Things are only what you let them be, and if you let Jar Jar Binks annoy you then he will. I, however, choose to ignore him.

Plus I'd prefer to spend my time more productively than wasting it complaining about a character from a movie like I've seen many a number of people do http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



its not just the character itself, its the fact that lucasfilm went that low to appeal to the little 5 year olds. because of this, every scene jar jar is in is as cheesy as a 5 year old barney tape. i dont know about the rest of you but my ***** have dropped, and jar jar doesnt exactly appeal to me.

Depmode
04-23-2005, 07:57 AM
Sit down and watch the original Star Wars. Count the number of times you genuinely laugh (which is nearly every time Han or 3PO open their mouths).

Now watch TPM and count the number of times you laugh (you may want to keep track of the number of times you wince).

Forget stupid, forget stereotypes, forget everything else...he's just not funny.

He steps in crap, he gets his tongue pulled, he gets his tongue zapped, he bumbles his way to victory. Its just all too lame. He has one, count 'em, one line that could be construed as funny. Other than that, a character that I didn't need to see in the SW universe.



I'm sorry, but I'm confused. There is one line that IS funny???? You have me there. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

12501
04-23-2005, 10:15 AM
I don't mind Jar Jar. Sure, not the best character they could have thrown in there, but I'm not about to let ONE movie character ruin anything for me.

He's a minor detail in my book. Things are only what you let them be, and if you let Jar Jar Binks annoy you then he will. I, however, choose to ignore him.

Plus I'd prefer to spend my time more productively than wasting it complaining about a character from a movie like I've seen many a number of people do http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



its not just the character itself, its the fact that lucasfilm went that low to appeal to the little 5 year olds. because of this, every scene jar jar is in is as cheesy as a 5 year old barney tape. i dont know about the rest of you but my ***** have dropped, and jar jar doesnt exactly appeal to me.



Yes, Jar Jars scenes are cheesy, and so is the scene in ROTJ where R2 and 3PO's legs are sticking out of the sand as if their entire bodies plummeted through the sand until only their legs stuck out. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Sure thats one scene compared to a few, but in my book cheesy is cheesy. One cheesy scene is as valid as a handfull of scenes, its all the same to me.

And my ***** have dropped too, thats why I don't let a movie character get to me or the fact that Lucasfilm tried to appeal to a younger audience (most older Star Wars fans today were themselves young kids when they first saw the films so therefore it appealed to them, correct?) bother me either http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Lady_Jaye
04-23-2005, 03:34 PM
Cause he is tied for worst thing to happen to Star Wars, Midi Chlorians being the other #1 reason Episode I sucked!!!

MisterKenobi
04-23-2005, 09:39 PM
I'm sorry I seem to have stumbled into the PT haters' forums again http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Jar Jar wasn't funny to most of us because he wasn't supposed to be. He was directed at 9-year olds. He's not that bad. Why must we kick this dead horse so hard? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

What's wrong with midichlorians LJ? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Lady_Jaye
04-23-2005, 10:21 PM
If you have to ask, then there's probalbly no way you'd understand, even if I told you.

oldben44
04-24-2005, 01:34 PM
I hate Midichlorians.

George Lucas, Please Stop Raping Our Childhood.

MisterKenobi
04-24-2005, 05:20 PM
Well I guess it doesn't make any sense to explain relevant info to the audience. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

That George Lucas guy is one big jerk letting us know what's up with Force users. I mean who cares about Force users anyways? It's not like the entire Saga revolves around them or anything. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Swiss_Army_R5
04-24-2005, 06:23 PM
i just didn't care about Jar Jar's voice.

As for midichlorians I don't care what anyone says. Shmi and Qui-Gon got busy and had Anakin. He came back (made Obi-Wan stay) He talked to Shmi who didn't care and says he's never had a father (im not turning you in since you arent supposed to be falling in a love and such) He then uses midichlorians to anakin to explain the force and that he's born from it.
Sure its not what happened. But Qui-Gon always was a bit shady to me and it works for me.

MisterKenobi
04-24-2005, 07:03 PM
LMAO. I always noticed something shady in the way Qui-Gon talks to Shmi.

Darth_Vex
04-24-2005, 07:04 PM
I thought the same thing Z-3po. Qui-Gon running around using that old Jedi mind trick on everyone he meets http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif how can you trust him. He has to be Anakin's daddy he just told her to forget http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

MisterKenobi
04-24-2005, 07:34 PM
(Waves 2 fingers)

Qui-Gon to Shmi: I'm not the "sperm donor" you're looking for.

Swiss_Army_R5
04-24-2005, 07:45 PM
Well his main concern always was at first getting him accepted adn passing him off to Obi when he dies. He doesn't want his kid not being taken care of. Heck he kept watching over him from the great beyond too.

Both are stubborn and do what they want. Sure Shmi could have been "forced" to forget. but I think he just comforted the poor slave one night and she appreciated it and didn't mind having a little #$#@$#$%. She didn't want to get him in trouble. So then Anakin grows up and has the same fooey on the jedi council Im getting myself a chick too feeling.

TT8L
04-25-2005, 12:00 AM
I just wish he had more of a limited part in TPM.



Like in the ubiquitous "deleted scenes" portion of the DVD release?

I saw an interview with George Lucas which somewhat satiated me. In it he was like (and I am taking liberties here) " Listen, I'm a billionare and you are not. I like what I make and if you do not like it then is it going to bother me? Hmm... magic eight ball says no." He was direct and moderately tart. He didn't care what we thought because he liked his movies and they were all his, whether or not anybody tweaks anything for market viability (which, assuming Lucas' strong prediliction to have his way, I doubt had much to do with it) I like that attitude, it's what the best story tellers always say. He summed it up when he said -

"Some people will tell you that you should paint your house white, and for god's sake it may look better white, but I don't care. If it's my house and I want to paint it green then I will paint it green."

TT8L
04-25-2005, 12:06 AM
Really though, I still despise Jar Jar. Look at his name. Beyond the homonymous similarity with an earthenware vesel, one source in particular defines "Jar" as "To be disturbing or irritating; grate"

I know SW names can be silly, but none of the OT characters were as "in-your-face" or screen time hogging as this bloated CGI nightnmare. I know that sounds harsh... but, I have never even met a kid that liked Jar Jar.

Darth_Vex
04-25-2005, 01:50 AM
To me Jar Jar and jargon were alot the same. The way he spoke and the first 3 letters being the same brought me to that. I might be putting to much into but when you define jargon it is almost the same as the character Jar Jar Binks http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

bjlevine
04-25-2005, 07:23 AM
Sit down and watch the original Star Wars. Count the number of times you genuinely laugh (which is nearly every time Han or 3PO open their mouths).

Now watch TPM and count the number of times you laugh (you may want to keep track of the number of times you wince).

Forget stupid, forget stereotypes, forget everything else...he's just not funny.

He steps in crap, he gets his tongue pulled, he gets his tongue zapped, he bumbles his way to victory. Its just all too lame. He has one, count 'em, one line that could be construed as funny. Other than that, a character that I didn't need to see in the SW universe.



I'm sorry, but I'm confused. There is one line that IS funny???? You have me there. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif


Well, I didn't say really funny, just that it could be construed as funny:

CPT. TARPALS: Gungans never give up!

The Battle droids all take aim at Jar Jar.

JAR JAR: My give up.

bjlevine
04-25-2005, 07:33 AM
I'm sorry I seem to have stumbled into the PT haters' forums again http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Jar Jar wasn't funny to most of us because he wasn't supposed to be. He was directed at 9-year olds. He's not that bad. Why must we kick this dead horse so hard? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

What's wrong with midichlorians LJ? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif


Matkatnadam, the topic was "why do you HATE Jar Jar". What'd you expect?

As for Midichlorians, its what I call the "de-spiritualization" of the Force. It wove in with issues of belief, faith and commitment. Now its just a matter of blood chemistry.

Midichlorians are simply a plot device to explain why Qui-Gon flipped out over Anakin, and another example of some PT concept that whacks out what we learned in the OT. Contrast Yoda's teaching of the Force in ESB with QGJ's quicky explanation in TPM.

Neil
04-25-2005, 07:55 AM
I'm sorry I seem to have stumbled into the PT haters' forums again http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Jar Jar wasn't funny to most of us because he wasn't supposed to be. He was directed at 9-year olds. He's not that bad. Why must we kick this dead horse so hard? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

What's wrong with midichlorians LJ? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif


Matkatnadam, the topic was "why do you HATE Jar Jar". What'd you expect?

As for Midichlorians, its what I call the "de-spiritualization" of the Force. It wove in with issues of belief, faith and commitment. Now its just a matter of blood chemistry.

Midichlorians are simply a plot device to explain why Qui-Gon flipped out over Anakin, and another example of some PT concept that whacks out what we learned in the OT. Contrast Yoda's teaching of the Force in ESB with QGJ's quicky explanation in TPM.



What would have worked for me is if midi's were simply a mysterious microscopic life form that are attracted to a Jedi's blood, not something that is essential to it.

Therin you still get your explanation of using technology to test a being force ability. I'd still drop that awful "what are midi-chlorians?" exchange.

Depmode
04-25-2005, 09:46 AM
I am not a prequel hater at all. I love the prequels, just as I love the OT. When I watch EP1, there are three basic rules I follow:

1. Jar Jar is not my favorite character. But he doesn't control my life nor this movie. I will simply ignore him as much as I can and look forward to his death in EP3.

2. The Midichlorians scene does not exist. Period. When that part comes on in the movie, I hum to myself, or think about something else. The Midichlorians scene does not exist.

3. Natalie Portman is annoying, but I will stand her. Yes, I'm sure other people will disagree, but she is really right up there with Jar Jar for me. I don't think she even knows wtf Star Wars is.

When observing these three rules, I enjoy EP1 A LOT. AOTC is enjoyed even more because rules 1 and 2 can be ignored, and 3 is simply adjusted to "Well shes not as annoying aka bad actor in this movie."

bjlevine
04-25-2005, 10:14 AM
Well, while I concur with all three of your "rules", I've been pretty vocal that my problem is more with the feel of the PT compared to the OT. I just like the story and characters better.

And Natalie Portman is a fine actor, so any problem there is more on the writing/directing end. Leia was a bit annoying, but never dull, and you liked her. Can't say the same for Padme.

I would still love to see the (Kevin Smith?) edit of TPM, with jar Jar mostly taken out.

grandpa_yoda
04-25-2005, 10:59 AM
I agree-he is a minor annoyance in the movie and I do not let him bother me while watching. He does however play an important role in the story line and I think that rubs people the wrong way.

Darth_Anton
04-25-2005, 11:25 AM
I hate Jar Jar becasue he defies the most basic and ancient rule of storytelling. He did not grow as a character. He did not learn anything, gained no wisdom and did not change at all. He was introduced as a goof, remained a goof and contributed amost nothing to the story except for getting Qui Gon and Obi Wan to the Naboo Capital. If he had given Anakin some encouraging advise at some point, or imparted some wisdom to Capatin Tarful that he learned from the Jedi to help in battle, I would have had more respect, but he served no purpouse after Naboo and should have stayed. If Lucas was in film school, he would have failed script writing if he had not changed this.

Neil
04-25-2005, 04:53 PM
Here's another point I'm sure some of you have come across already. Look at Jarjar's severely reduced role in AOTC and ROTS.

When introduced, it looked like he was supposed to be another "Chewie", in for the long haul, now it looks like he wont even have dialogue in ROTS. It's the biggest decision U-turn I've heard of in cinema history, and just about the closest your gonna get from uncle Greorge in the way of; "Ok guys, I was wrong."

mogwai26
04-26-2005, 12:26 AM
i do hate jarjar-

its simple why- he is not serious but star wars is;
i dont mean that starwars got no place for funny moments but its a difference if you got some more or less intelligent jokes with the understatement of a c3po or just stupid acting-
starwars is a fairy tale, and the whole plot(good against evil) is not to laugh- in ANH the uncle of luke gets killed and burned, obi wan cuts of an arm in the cantina and a whole planet explodes and so on; in RTOTJ even a cute ewok dies- this all creates an atmosphere of seriousness;
sure the movies are entertainment but if you compare starwars with normal fairytales(which are also often full with tragedy) you will see that there is no real difference-
and thats the point- the message of a fairy tale is always something serious- and JarJar destroys this atmosphere of earnest- how can i take a movie earnest while watching a clown acting foolish?
thats why i hate jarjar, he doesnt fit into the story and atmosphere;JarJar is like RogerRabbit in Saving Private Ryan-it doesnt work

Rebel86
04-27-2005, 10:19 PM
Will Jar Jar be in Ep3??? I havent seen any figures or any sign of the poor gungan.

bjlevine
04-28-2005, 08:58 AM
According to the script, he even has a couple of lines. But Lucas has backed way off from Jar Jar.

profjeff138
04-28-2005, 10:57 AM
I agree-he is a minor annoyance in the movie and I do not let him bother me while watching. He does however play an important role in the story line and I think that rubs people the wrong way.



Well, you have to admit, the story for TPM kind of sucks. Jar Jar only adds to the suckiness.

In terms of rubbing people the wrong way - if I wanted to hear lines like "How Wrrruuuddeee!" I'd watch Full House reruns.

Lady_Jaye
04-30-2005, 06:55 PM
Exactly, force users indeed. It is now scientific babble, and not the spiritual entitiy it once was. Well I think it will be again, notice how there is no mention of it anymore!!!

Matt you want an answer to my statement, then pop in your tape or DVD of the Empire Strikes Back, and go to the scene where Yoda really explains what the Force is, that should suffice.

Darth_Anton
05-06-2005, 10:39 AM
Will Jar Jar be in Ep3??? I havent seen any figures or any sign of the poor gungan.



He has a couple of line in the script, but he's been cut from the movie. I've heard that you can hear one of the lines off screen.

Swiss_Army_R5
05-06-2005, 11:20 AM
well we can just pretend then that something crashes into him and bai ling and thats why they never appear.

Lady_Jaye
05-09-2005, 08:00 PM
Will Jar Jar be in Ep3??? I havent seen any figures or any sign of the poor gungan.



He has a couple of line in the script, but he's been cut from the movie. I've heard that you can hear one of the lines off screen.



You mean we don't get to see him shot to death by a million darts??? Damn!! That would have made my century!!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

JarJarBlinks182
05-10-2005, 01:27 PM
Who hates Jar Jar? I thought he was beloved by all, old and young?

Lady_Jaye
05-10-2005, 04:42 PM
I'll tell you who, I do!!!!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Kris
05-10-2005, 07:31 PM
I like Jar Jar!

MisterKenobi
05-11-2005, 01:08 AM
I'll tell you who, I do!!!!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



You must learn to control your rage. Remember, Jar Jar saved Naboo! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

skye
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
At first I hated Jar Jar like the rest, now I like him enough. I think he has a lot of funny moments... The tounge getting zapped is good, "my give up" is good, the term "frisky morning munchen" is great, and getting kicked in the nutz by a pit droid was priceless. Sorry, even though I'm a grown man, the olde shot to the nutz is always funny.

Anyone who speaks French should also watch it dubbed, as Jar Jar is much better en franšais. Instead of the quasi-racits pidgin, he talks just like a little boy. Less offensive, and a little funnier.

I can't stand him in Ep 2 though, seems out of place.

bjlevine
05-11-2005, 03:23 PM
While I agree that "my give up" is moderately funny (mostly due to Cpt. Tarpals reaction), the tongue zapping is just plain stupid, especially with Anakin warning him about it 5 seconds earlier (almost as if its a cue to the animators to insert tongue-zapping here).

Jar Jar does serve one purpose...he makes the Ewoks look less stupid. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Lady_Jaye
05-11-2005, 05:57 PM
I'll tell you who, I do!!!!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



You must learn to control your rage. Remember, Jar Jar saved Naboo! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Yeah but he doomed the Republic!!! LOL!! So he still sucks!!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

MisterKenobi
05-11-2005, 09:15 PM
While I agree that "my give up" is moderately funny (mostly due to Cpt. Tarpals reaction), the tongue zapping is just plain stupid, especially with Anakin warning him about it 5 seconds earlier (almost as if its a cue to the animators to insert tongue-zapping here).

Jar Jar does serve one purpose...he makes the Ewoks look less stupid. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



HA HA! But Anakin warns him not to get his hand caught in the energy binders. BIG difference there, my friend. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

jediguy
05-11-2005, 10:03 PM
STOP THE HATE people! Hehe, no just kidding. I don't HATE Jar-Jar in Episode I, but I agree he feels a bit out of place in Episode II.

Neil
05-12-2005, 05:39 AM
While I agree that "my give up" is moderately funny (mostly due to Cpt. Tarpals reaction), the tongue zapping is just plain stupid, especially with Anakin warning him about it 5 seconds earlier (almost as if its a cue to the animators to insert tongue-zapping here).

Jar Jar does serve one purpose...he makes the Ewoks look less stupid. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



HA HA! But Anakin warns him not to get his hand caught in the energy binders. BIG difference there, my friend. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Yeah, Huge difference, hmm. Anyway common sense denotes that just because you shouldn't put your hand in a blender, it's a green light to stick your head in. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Now if only it could have been that way round for Jarjar.

blaster_E11
05-12-2005, 07:48 AM
Exactly, force users indeed. It is now scientific babble, and not the spiritual entitiy it once was. Well I think it will be again, notice how there is no mention of it anymore!!!

Matt you want an answer to my statement, then pop in your tape or DVD of the Empire Strikes Back, and go to the scene where Yoda really explains what the Force is, that should suffice.



i have to disagree : although i think the explanation is not satisfactory and the midichlorian dialogue sucks, this is not in contradiction with the OT (all the genetics explanations which have been taken for granted by every EU soures since then)

bjlevine
05-12-2005, 08:35 AM
Exactly, force users indeed. It is now scientific babble, and not the spiritual entitiy it once was. Well I think it will be again, notice how there is no mention of it anymore!!!

Matt you want an answer to my statement, then pop in your tape or DVD of the Empire Strikes Back, and go to the scene where Yoda really explains what the Force is, that should suffice.



i have to disagree : although i think the explanation is not satisfactory and the midichlorian dialogue sucks, this is not in contradiction with the OT (all the genetics explanations which have been taken for granted by every EU soures since then)


I think that the point is, why does the Force need a non-spiritual explanation. It was more majestic the way it was handled in ESB.

In any case, Lucas needed a quick and dirty way to explain Anakin's potential.

Neil
05-12-2005, 09:21 AM
Which could have been done a better way, like my idea of having midi-chlorians but not in the same way. They could be a life form mysteriously attracted to the force stong, and Lil Ani had loads of the little blighters and thus had a reading off the chart.

Better yet, why bring science into it in the first place? Why not simply build on the Jedi's ability to detect a beings force strength. Vader was able to sense Luke was strong in the force in the DS trench. What QJ was doing with the blood test in TPM was simply confirming what he already suspected, was it necessary?

12501
05-12-2005, 09:36 AM
I like the midichlorian explanation better than some spiritual explanation.

I prefer science/fact over fairy tales.

bjlevine
05-12-2005, 10:04 AM
Uh...Star Wars is a fairy tale, with almost no science or fact involved. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

12501
05-12-2005, 12:35 PM
Uh...Star Wars is a fairy tale, with almost no science or fact involved. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Wow.....*rolls eyes*

I wasn't referring to Star Wars, I was referring to the overall concept of explaning most anything (science and religion if you will).

If you really need me to tell you what I meant I was referring to things like religion and science and their relationship, or lack thereof. Personally, I prefer EVIDENCE of REAL things (science in this case, or relating this to Star Wars - midichlorians and HOW they allow a Force-sensitive being to "use" the Force, therefore giving a 'real' explanation and not dwelling in the realm of sillyness and absurdity) than I prefer fairy tales or explanations that don't have any concrete evidence (most religion, or in the case of Star Wars the Force being "spiritual" and something that just "is" and those who use it "just do" or however you want to go about explaining it).

Basically, I prefer knowing HOW someone uses the Force than just being told "they use it" or "they just can".

Neil
05-12-2005, 12:51 PM
Your looking for a scientific explanation of the force? Something which is spiritual in nature?

I mean you can look to science to provide theories on Earth phenomenon, like Ghosts or the "Foo Fighters" of WWII, but this is SW we're talking about.

It wasn't lots of iddy bitty midi-chlorians that chucked Lukes Saber to him in the Hoth cave.

bjlevine
05-12-2005, 12:54 PM
Hey, that's cool with me. Just a bit of advice, though, when it comes to scientific fact:

yesterday's theory -> today's fact -> tomorrow's joke

Back on subject, my point is that in a mostly fairy tale/fantasy story like Star Wars, I prefer the mythical or spiritual over some concrete explanation. Do we really need to know how the one ring works?

12501
05-12-2005, 01:20 PM
Your looking for a scientific explanation of the force? Something which is spiritual in nature?

I mean you can look to science to provide theories on Earth phenomenon, like Ghosts or the "Foo Fighters" of WWII, but this is SW we're talking about.

It wasn't lots of iddy bitty midi-chlorians that chucked Lukes Saber to him in the Hoth cave.



I meant that I prefer knowing HOW the Jedi/Sith use the Force than just being told "they do".

Its far more 'scientific' and factual knowing HOW something works than it is to just see something occur and not know HOW (Jedi using the Force).

And it was midichlorians communicating with the Force that allowed Luke to retrieve his saber. I prefer knowing that then just knowing "he used the Force" and not knowing HOW.

12501
05-12-2005, 01:24 PM
Hey, that's cool with me. Just a bit of advice, though, when it comes to scientific fact:

yesterday's theory -> today's fact -> tomorrow's joke

Back on subject, my point is that in a mostly fairy tale/fantasy story like Star Wars, I prefer the mythical or spiritual over some concrete explanation. Do we really need to know how the one ring works?



There are theories, which are then either proven or not. If they are proven they are then fact, but even then my point is that I prefer going deeper into things than just whats on the surface.

Myself, I prefer knowing how a Force-sensitive being communicates with the Force than just being told they do or something. Thats why I prefer and like the explanation of midichlorians.

Sure, it was neat seeing Luke use the Force in the OT, but I've always wondered HOW he did it and what exactly makes someone "Force-sensitive" and why others are not. Now I know.

Thats just me though, I just prefer knowing how things work than just accepting them at face value and going along with it.

bjlevine
05-12-2005, 01:30 PM
Your looking for a scientific explanation of the force? Something which is spiritual in nature?

I mean you can look to science to provide theories on Earth phenomenon, like Ghosts or the "Foo Fighters" of WWII, but this is SW we're talking about.

It wasn't lots of iddy bitty midi-chlorians that chucked Lukes Saber to him in the Hoth cave.



I meant that I prefer knowing HOW the Jedi/Sith use the Force than just being told "they do".

Its far more 'scientific' and factual knowing HOW something works than it is to just see something occur and not know HOW (Jedi using the Force).

And it was midichlorians communicating with the Force that allowed Luke to retrieve his saber. I prefer knowing that then just knowing "he used the Force" and not knowing HOW.


Here's the biggest problem I have with your point:

Luke: I..I don't believe it!

Yoda: That is why you fail

You can say you don't want it, but the nature of the Force as presented in the OT is a much more spiritual thing than the PT's midichlorian explanation (i.e. the higher your MC count, the more stuff you can do).

12501
05-12-2005, 01:45 PM
Your looking for a scientific explanation of the force? Something which is spiritual in nature?

I mean you can look to science to provide theories on Earth phenomenon, like Ghosts or the "Foo Fighters" of WWII, but this is SW we're talking about.

It wasn't lots of iddy bitty midi-chlorians that chucked Lukes Saber to him in the Hoth cave.



I meant that I prefer knowing HOW the Jedi/Sith use the Force than just being told "they do".

Its far more 'scientific' and factual knowing HOW something works than it is to just see something occur and not know HOW (Jedi using the Force).

And it was midichlorians communicating with the Force that allowed Luke to retrieve his saber. I prefer knowing that then just knowing "he used the Force" and not knowing HOW.


Here's the biggest problem I have with your point:

Luke: I..I don't believe it!

Yoda: That is why you fail

You can say you don't want it, but the nature of the Force as presented in the OT is a much more spiritual thing than the PT's midichlorian explanation (i.e. the higher your MC count, the more stuff you can do).



I answer that by saying Luke simply did not understand the true potential ones connection to the Force has (thats my opinion though). To me it seemed like he didn't quite comprehend what he was capable of, or what Yoda was capable of.

True, it was presented in more of a spiritual manner, but it depends on how you look at it.

Its similar to real life, where your thoughts determine how much you will strive for something, the less your strive the more you will fail. But the more you strive to succeed and work hard to succeed, the more you probably will.

It always seemed to me that Luke was stunned because he didn't know of what his capabilities were or what his potential was. If you don't believe you can do something then you most likely will fail.

Neil
05-12-2005, 03:22 PM
Some good points, I still dont see the science of it though. The question before was HOW the jedi use the force, now you've got a question of HOW the midi-chlorians communicate with the force. Matters have been complicated in their introduction for no reason.

Before you had the mystery of how the Jedi used their powers, now you have that mystery still, but now with the "just because" explanation of the midi's.

12501
05-12-2005, 04:15 PM
Some good points, I still dont see the science of it though. The question before was HOW the jedi use the force, now you've got a question of HOW the midi-chlorians communicate with the force. Matters have been complicated in their introduction for no reason.

Before you had the mystery of how the Jedi used their powers, now you have that mystery still, but now with the "just because" explanation of the midi's.



For simplicity keep the "science" out of it (it seems as though its just confusing you though even though all I meant as far as science was concerned was that I prefer 'technical explanations involving evidence and a bit of fact or as much of it as possible' to 'simple, open-ended explanations' like "things just happen").

And perhaps the question now is "HOW do the midichlorians communicate with the Force?", but to me its better than "Jedi just use the Force....yeah, they just use it http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thats what I've been saying all along, is that I like at least knowing more about HOW the Jedi use the Force than just being told they use it or even wondering how they do. Sure the question isn't completely answered, but then again as far as real life is concerned we still don't know EXACTLY if there really is anything beyond the quantum level (string theory attempts to say there is more there and is a promising theory but we don't know for sure yet).

I never said there was some grand explanation to the way the Force works or to even how things are in real life, I was merely saying that when it boils down to most anything I prefer to know as much about how things work than to just be told they "just do". I prefer the technical aspects, rock solid evidence, not the fantasy, no evidence-included stories we're always told.

Is that a bit clearer?

Lady_Jaye
05-12-2005, 08:57 PM
Yeah but this is a movie, where everything was once magical. If you want sceintific jargon and what not, head on over to Star Trek. Although the Prequels, espeically EI ruined a portion of the magic, it's still there. I mean why has the idea of Midi-Chlorians not come back, just like Jar Jar, it was a bad idea, so you will not here from that again!!!! 'Nuff said!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Oh and there was never any kind of science in the Original Trilogy, besides the technology the Empire and Rebels use!! Remember this line:

"Don't try to frighten is with your sorcerours ways Lord Vader, your sad devotion to that ancient RELIGION has not helped you conjure up the stolen plans, nor given you claivoance enough to....." - Admiral Motti

"I find your lack of FAITH disturbing" - Darth Vader

12501
05-12-2005, 11:46 PM
Yeah but this is a movie, where everything was once magical. If you want sceintific jargon and what not, head on over to Star Trek.



No thanks, Star Trek is too boring for my tastes. And I'm pretty sure Star Wars is more than one movie, therefore I'd say "THESE movies" next time (sorry, poor english or simple mistakes are an annoyance of mine).




Although the Prequels, espeically EI ruined a portion of the magic, it's still there. I mean why has the idea of Midi-Chlorians not come back, just like Jar Jar, it was a bad idea, so you will not here from that again!!!! 'Nuff said!! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Except that Jar Jar is still hanging around. Not as much as he was in Episode 1, but he was in Episode 2. And the sad part is people will continue to complain about Jar Jar Binks for years to come.



Oh and there was never any kind of science in the Original Trilogy, besides the technology the Empire and Rebels use!!



.....That much is obvious http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. Besides the storyline and characters, the technology of Star Wars was vital to the overall plot and story. Without the technology portrayed within the films, none of the story would have unfolded the way it did or has. Ion engines have become a reality, and year by year more and more of the technological aspects of Star Wars are becoming realities. Anyone knows (or should) that.

Oh, and the next time you're at the bookstore pick up a copy of each of the Star Wars Visual Dictionaries or Incredible Cross Sections. The entire books are filled with "scientific" explanations of how most everything in the Star Wars universe works.



Remember this line:

"Don't try to frighten is with your sorcerours ways Lord Vader, your sad devotion to that ancient RELIGION has not helped you conjure up the stolen plans, nor given you claivoance enough to....." - Admiral Motti

"I find your lack of FAITH disturbing" - Darth Vader



Um, I remember lines similar to THOSE quoted above (more than one, not 'this' line).....of course. Check your spelling too. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

And whats the point of those quotes? To prove that the Jedi and Sith are religions based on faith and faith alone? If so then that has been proven wrong with the introduction of midichlorians.

And I'm sure that in the Star Wars universe, not everyone is aware of midichlorians, just like in our universe not everyone is aware of the minor details contained within most any field.

Or was the point that everyone else sees them as mere religions? Yeah, they probably are from the standpoint of their belief in the Force, but with the explanation of how Jedi/Sith "communicate" with the Force it begins to get a bit more "scientific". Faith can be found even in science. Faith is nothing more than hope. When you have faith you have hope, at least thats been my experience. I have faith in many theories, as do many physicists and scientists and astronomers, etc.

And even then at least those two (Jedi and Sith) go beyond anything we see here on Earth in terms of religion and science daring to join together and cooperate. Thats what I really like about Star Wars, we finally get a religion that embraces science and doesn't shy away from it.

Religion can choose to embrace science or shun it away, sad reality is that most religions we know of don't choose to accept science or anything thats been proven to be factual (thus we get debates over evolution and stem cell research and other topics that I hope most are all aware of) http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Besides, and again I'll say this, my point all along was that I simply like the explanation of the midichlorians because I like knowing HOW the Jedi "communicate" with the Force. Simple as that. Why it has spawned some ridiculous chain of off-topic replies is beyond me. It was a simple thought and a simple reply on my behalf, so with that I'm pretty much tired of this topic and having to explain the same things over and over. Fin.

Neil
05-13-2005, 04:01 AM
I don't see why your taking it so personally, the discussion has been pretty civil until now. Its a discussion forum after all.

You brought up science in star wars, and some of us found your post interesting enough to reply on. Personally I find your explanations very weak, and maybe thats why you keep having to repeat yourself.

I dont see how midi's explain anything for you, if anything they are another cog in the machine, yes it takes thigns a step further, but the mystery remains. In the real world I know my TV works by electricity, and we know how electricity works. In Star Wars we don't know how Midi's do their thing, it complicates things but resovles nothing,and some of us feel their introduction was not needed, and some of us think it was plain stupid, thats our oppinion.

Bottom line, if its just that you PREFER the midi explanation, then thats cool, its your oppinion and I can respect that. I personally prefer the ideai of the Jedi having the power themselves, and not relying on another life form.

Peace

I'm also intrigued in what you say about religion embracing science, interesting statement and I'm thinking aloud here rather than adressing you personally but do force users embrace science? do the Sith have faith in anything other than themselves? I think a thread on Jedi & Religion would be interesting but it would probably breach forum rules.

Neil

skye
05-13-2005, 05:14 AM
Hey, let me go back on topic here...

Jar-Jar rules! Alright, maybe he doesn't, but Ahmed Best is pretty cool. I went to the Charity premier in LA today, and he took the same shuttle as my wife and I. I was 99% sure it was him, and then he spoke... sounded just like Jar Jar without the vocab. I shook his hand and said he was underrated, which I of course argued on this board, and he said thanks.

Thought you might like to know that even if you hate the character, the guy is alright.

blaster_E11
05-13-2005, 05:54 AM
I think a thread on Jedi & Religion would be interesting but it would probably breach forum rules.





it almost aleady happene with a
SW and philosophy thread (http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB5&Number=1025868&Forum=f5&Words=philosophy&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=1025868&Search=true&where=sub&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype=y&olderval=1&oldertype=m&bodyprev=#Post1025868)

Neil
05-13-2005, 08:52 AM
I didn't get past the 1st post http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif
maybe its something that can be discussed when things have died down a bit, naybe a non-movie year

12501
05-13-2005, 03:06 PM
I don't see why your taking it so personally, the discussion has been pretty civil until now. Its a discussion forum after all.



I'm not taking anything "personally", if it seems that way to you then you're sadly mistaken.



You brought up science in star wars, and some of us found your post interesting enough to reply on. Personally I find your explanations very weak, and maybe thats why you keep having to repeat yourself.



No, my explanation was simple. I said I like having the midichlorians in Star Wars and having the Jedi not be such a run-of-the-mill religion ("things just are"). The midichlorians do not explain everything but its a step. How simple is that? Very simple in my book. Thats what I've been saying all along, but instead people are conjuring up this and that and its been simple from the start. What I said is what I said, plain and simple.



I dont see how midi's explain anything for you, if anything they are another cog in the machine, yes it takes thigns a step further, but the mystery remains.



Yeah, I definitely said that the midichlorians don't solve the puzzle completely, but again, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY DO AT LEAST REVEAL HOW THE JEDI AND THE FORCE ARE BONDED TOGETHER. Do they reveal that completely. NO, again, NO they don't.




In Star Wars we don't know how Midi's do their thing, it complicates things but resovles nothing,and some of us feel their introduction was not needed, and some of us think it was plain stupid, thats our opinion.



I understand that, but again, I'll say this : I like the introduction of the midichlorians because I like knowing that SOMETHING allows the Jedi to bond and communicate with the Force. The complete puzzle hasn't been solved, you're right and I've admitted that.

The reason I prefer the midichlorians is because it also separates the Jedi from the normal beings. Before we had the midichlorians, the question was "how do they use the Force?" or "what allows them to use the Force?" With the introduction of midichlorians, we now know a bit more than we ever did before, and I prefer that.



Bottom line, if its just that you PREFER the midi explanation, then thats cool, its your oppinion and I can respect that. I personally prefer the ideai of the Jedi having the power themselves, and not relying on another life form.



Well about time you understand what I've been saying all along. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



I'm also intrigued in what you say about religion embracing science, interesting statement and I'm thinking aloud here rather than adressing you personally but do force users embrace science? do the Sith have faith in anything other than themselves? I think a thread on Jedi & Religion would be interesting but it would probably breach forum rules.




My view on the Jedi and science is that the Jedi and Sith are religions that seem to be based on science (the Force being able to communicate with tiny beings, or symbiotes, is a lot more scientific and believable than "things just are"), or more science than any other religion I can think of. The Force, while being "mystical" to most, cannot really be defined other than being an energy field created by all living things as Obi-Wan explained it.

So if you take it that the Force is energy or energy created by all living things, then in a sense wouldn't the Force be "everything"? Most everything has been created by energy, creates energy, emits energy and absorbs energy....energy is essential to most everything. Its vital to the universe. The universe is a vast expansion of energy. Stars, planets, and all things cosmological are all based upon energy. If you're a believer in the Big Bang Theory, then you believe that energy created the universe.

So if we hypothetically say that the universe that Star Wars is set in is one similar to our own or even our own (for fictional purposes) then we could say that the Jedi are bonded to the energy that creates. They are able to communicate and speak to the Force through midichlorians, tiny symbiotes living within them. How do these midichlorians communicate with the Force? Beats me, but its more believable and more interesting to me knowing how they are able to do so than just being told "they do" or something to that extent.

So in a sense I would say that the Jedi and Sith do embrace science, depending on how you look at it, because they don't believe in anything beyond their means of explaining really. They are able to basically say "we believe in the Force and midichlorians are our evidence, and our abilities to use the Force and physically/visually display this is even more evidence".

Sure the question of "what is the Force EXACTLY?" has yet to be completely answered, but if the Jedi and Sith believe in the Force and know of their abilities with it they don't really believe in something they cannot explain in full detail (many religions all claim beliefs in things they cannnot fully explain, but thats another topic...well, one that is forbidden to talk about, unfortunately).

I'm not insulting religion, because I'm a firm believer that ANY and EVERY religion has the possibility to be the "real deal", we just don't know and we may never know.....but who knows? No one really knows if you ask me, so IMO no one is any more correct than anyone else when it comes to religion (though I will say that anyone who attempts to enforce their religious beliefs upon other people is flat out wrong), but I look to science more often than religion because science provides me with evidence and explanations that seem more rational and realistic. Through science I can look at the evidence, I can SEE things that are actually there and I can use equations and theories and those proven to be fact to piece together puzzles, rather than just assume or guess.