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iHu
03-11-2005, 05:47 PM
George Lucas on why ROTS will be PG-13 (BBC / 60 Minutes interview) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4339023.stm)

George Lucas says:
"Revenge of the Sith would be the darkest and most violent of the series."

Let me be the first to say: Thank you!!!

Sorry kiddies, this one's for big kids. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Matt_Fury
03-11-2005, 06:10 PM
He's been saying that since Episode I came out. Glad it's being confirmed by multiple sources though.

I'm still secretly hoping that Jar Jar's death it what gives it that rating! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dan_K
03-13-2005, 07:42 PM
George Lucas on why ROTS will be PG-13 (BBC / 60 Minutes interview) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4339023.stm)

George Lucas says:
"Revenge of the Sith would be the darkest and most violent of the series."

Sorry kiddies, this one's for big kids. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



That's not going to stop people bringing toddlers & infants to the theater. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

echo1441
03-13-2005, 08:03 PM
George Lucas on why ROTS will be PG-13 (BBC / 60 Minutes interview) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4339023.stm)

George Lucas says:
"Revenge of the Sith would be the darkest and most violent of the series."

Sorry kiddies, this one's for big kids. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



That's not going to stop people bringing toddlers & infants to the theater. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



And I hope it doesn't. I know how devastated I would've been in 1980 when I was 5 if couldn't have gone and seen Empire or in '83 if I couldn't have seen Jedi

Census
03-13-2005, 08:39 PM
I just don't wan't a "little" child crying or yelling the whole time. But I don't think there will be much of that on opening day http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Dan_K
03-13-2005, 10:59 PM
George Lucas on why ROTS will be PG-13 (BBC / 60 Minutes interview) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4339023.stm)

George Lucas says:
"Revenge of the Sith would be the darkest and most violent of the series."

Sorry kiddies, this one's for big kids. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



That's not going to stop people bringing toddlers & infants to the theater. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



And I hope it doesn't. I know how devastated I would've been in 1980 when I was 5 if couldn't have gone and seen Empire or in '83 if I couldn't have seen Jedi



I wouldn't call a 5 year old a toddler or infant. Though I do think 5 is too young to go to a PG-13 movie.



I just don't wan't a "little" child crying or yelling the whole time. But I don't think there will be much of that on opening day http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif



That was my point about infants & toddlers being at this movie. I wouldn't be surprised to see young children at the midnight showing, or opening day.

I would hope parents see this first, then judge if it's appropriate for their children to see in the theater.
Just because it's Star Wars, doesn't make it safe for all kids to see. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

But that's just my opinion. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I'm certainly not going to tell anyone what's appropriate for their kids.

I'd just rather not be disturbed by a child being too scared to handle the movie in the theater & prevent late nights up with that child because of nightmares. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Kris
03-14-2005, 07:03 AM
I just don't wan't a "little" child crying or yelling the whole time. But I don't think there will be much of that on opening day http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif



Well.. I'm sure when my li'l sister of 8 see's someone cilled she wil yell "woohoo" or something like that ...

But my sister is teh kind of kid that asks for my sisters music, and my movies .. including Star Wars http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Darth_Blowchunk
03-14-2005, 09:32 AM
I think they should have different showings for kids/families - there's nothing more annoying than being stuck behind some brat who won't sit still and shut up. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

If ROTS gets a PG-13, that means it will almost certainly get a '12' in the UK. Up until recently that meant no-one under 12 could go in at all, but now they've changed it to 'anyone under 12 must be accompanied by an adult' - grrrr!!!

Census
03-14-2005, 09:37 AM
I just don't wan't a "little" child crying or yelling the whole time. But I don't think there will be much of that on opening day http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif



What I meant was having a child in a theatre that will not stop crying because it is too dark/loud/scary. Believe me it doesn't matter what kind of movie it is...flashback to Spider Man 2 and for a good 10-20 minutes a kid crying on and off.

I think my real beef is not with the children, but with the parents. If they don't have the decency to take their child quietly out of the theatre so the rest of the audience can enjoy the film they've been waiting to see, I would have no repect to them.

Sorry if this sounds like I'm yelling at the kids, I meant to clarify the parents.

Well.. I'm sure when my li'l sister of 8 see's someone cilled she wil yell "woohoo" or something like that ...

But my sister is teh kind of kid that asks for my sisters music, and my movies .. including Star Wars http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Darth_Blowchunk
03-14-2005, 10:00 AM
I think my real beef is not with the children, but with the parents. If they don't have the decency to take their child quietly out of the theatre so the rest of the audience can enjoy the film they've been waiting to see, I would have no repect to them.



I totally agree with you. It's inconsiderate and ignorant.

grandpa_yoda
03-14-2005, 10:02 AM
I cant tell you how many people bring infants to the movies because they cant find or trust a sitter. then when the baby start whaling they just try rocking rather than split. Rude and inconsiderate. Very happy with pg-13rating

Neil
03-15-2005, 05:03 AM
If thats kind of thing happens to you guys on say a weeknight I can understand where your coming from. And I sure pity any fool that drags a young child to the midnight opening.

But any of you that are planning to go on a weekend morning /early afternoon expecting mature silence need to understand its "their" time. It really goes for any film that might cater for a young audience, screaming kids and kids just being kids goes with that. You can't really moan.

But hey, if any of you catch some adult at an evening screening whos being inconsiderate, got nuts, give in to your hate.

Darth_Blowchunk
03-15-2005, 06:37 AM
If thats kind of thing happens to you guys on say a weeknight I can understand where your coming from. And I sure pity any fool that drags a young child to the midnight opening.

But any of you that are planning to go on a weekend morning /early afternoon expecting mature silence need to understand its "their" time. It really goes for any film that might cater for a young audience, screaming kids and kids just being kids goes with that. You can't really moan.

But hey, if any of you catch some adult at an evening screening whos being inconsiderate, got nuts, give in to your hate.



I can see your point, and I think most non-parent adults would try to avoid daytime showings for that very reason - although you do still get kids at the evening showings at times, which is pretty thoughtless of their parents. I still think parents/cinema attendants should try to keep them in check more. I mean, we don't all enjoy being around screaming kids. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Neil
03-15-2005, 10:56 AM
As someone once wrote, "Star Wars is a kids film, and we're just along for the ride" You cant really moan about kids acting as they usually do in a kids film.

This will be a tricky one though, being dark is one thing but there will be no happy ending.At least with ESB the audience knew there was another film on the way.

Well I sure as heck wont be taking my 4 yr old to a late showing.

I'm actually musing over whether to take her at all. She'll be very behaved, its the problem of answering her inevitble questions afterward that worries me. How do I explain the OT she now loved is the conclusion?

But she is really exited about seeing chewie on the big screen, and it would be bad to deprive her of seeing SW at the cinema, perhaps I should go along to the midnight screening first jsut fo feel the movie out http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Darth_Blowchunk
03-15-2005, 12:15 PM
Yeah, some kids are absolutely fine, it's just the hyperactive ones I want banned http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I don't agree at all with that thing about SW being a kids movie - a FAMILY movie, yes, but not a kids movie... I think of a kids movie as something which makes no efforts whatsoever to appeal to adults. SW clearly does have appeal for adults as well as kids.

Census
03-15-2005, 03:40 PM
Yeah, some kids are absolutely fine, it's just the hyperactive ones I want banned http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I don't agree at all with that thing about SW being a kids movie - a FAMILY movie, yes, but not a kids movie... I think of a kids movie as something which makes no efforts whatsoever to appeal to adults. SW clearly does have appeal for adults as well as kids.



Lucas said it was intended for children. But if you think about it...Most of us saw it as kids or teens when it first came out. Then some more kids and teens saw it on video and on the 1997 re-releases. So in a way almost all of us saw it as children and we just got hooked.

bjlevine
03-15-2005, 04:30 PM
I don't think that any SW film, save TPM, was intended for children. That being said, ANH dealt with some pretty violent themes. We see Owen and Beru's charred remains, bunches of dead Jawas, at least 5 closeups of X-Wing pilots gettting fried, and the destruction of an entire planet (albeit from a distance). Even so, ANH is easily the funniest, most swashbuckling of the SW films.

I think that the dilemma of "Sith" is that it cannot have a light-hearted tone, as ANH did. Moreover, we're gonna get some deaths that will be truly tragic, rather than heroic (Padme), with no happy ending. And of course, gratuitous deep-fried Anakin.

Still, I would have to characterize GL's comments about the rating as a "bone".

Tyranusspotting
03-16-2005, 12:59 PM
I don't think that any SW film, save TPM, was intended for children.



Don't act silly. They were always intended to be for a younger audience ever since ANH. ROTS is the only exception as it has a lot of negative events going on.

Darth_Blowchunk
03-16-2005, 01:54 PM
I don't think that any SW film, save TPM, was intended for children.



Don't act silly. They were always intended to be for a younger audience ever since ANH. ROTS is the only exception as it has a lot of negative events going on.



The point is they weren't intended ONLY for a young audience - they were designed to appeal to kids, of course, but also to adults.

Darth_Blowchunk
03-16-2005, 01:57 PM
Lucas said it was intended for children. But if you think about it...Most of us saw it as kids or teens when it first came out. Then some more kids and teens saw it on video and on the 1997 re-releases. So in a way almost all of us saw it as children and we just got hooked.



Yes, I remember him saying that, but I'm pretty sure he was just trying to defend himself from criticisms that TPM was 'too childish'. The fact that they appeal to kids by design doesn't make them "kids films"... some of the themes are far too sophisticated to have much meaning for kids.

Deak_Starkiller
03-16-2005, 02:28 PM
I don't think that any SW film, save TPM, was intended for children. That being said, ANH dealt with some pretty violent themes. We see Owen and Beru's charred remains, bunches of dead Jawas, at least 5 closeups of X-Wing pilots gettting fried, and the destruction of an entire planet (albeit from a distance). Even so, ANH is easily the funniest, most swashbuckling of the SW films.




Yet George is selective on what he keeps and cuts out in his films...for example, editing lasers striking Imperial officers (ANH).

Herbert_Ackermans
03-16-2005, 03:03 PM
What bits in TESB are directed towards kids?

Neil
03-16-2005, 04:24 PM
The big cute friendly Wampa

He wasnt all that bad.

He was trying to hug Luke but didnt know his own strengh knocked him out and accidently throttled his Tauntaun trying to catch him.

He took luke back to his cave to ret whilst he had lunch, when he heard luke come to he realised he had stuck him upside down by mistake and rushed to his aid to avoid embarrasment. Luke foolishly saw this as an act of hostility.

Tyranusspotting
03-17-2005, 06:51 AM
What bits in TESB are directed towards kids?



Well, kids love the action. Little girls the romance between Han and Leia- or Luke and Leia. Bounty Hunters! A battle in the snow! Luke and Vader fighting! Yoda!

They might not be directed at children but they were made to work for them.
Sadly the PT has to face this problem. The fans of the OT are no longer children. Many of them have become cynical adults that need violence- therefore they prefer the LOTR Trilogy. The fanbase from day 1 has changed. SW is still directed at the audience the way it used to be but the now adult fanbase has forced Lucas to gear it more towards violence.

What's also a reason why some bash these movies is because they can't relate them with childhood memories. That's why they still have fond memories about the OT. It was a important part of their childhood. They expect to have these feelings with the PT but they don't because it is not possible. But that doesn't mean they can't feel like children while watching these movies and feel the innocent excitment.

Darth_Blowchunk
03-17-2005, 07:30 AM
Sadly the PT has to face this problem. The fans of the OT are no longer children. Many of them have become cynical adults that need violence- therefore they prefer the LOTR Trilogy. The fanbase from day 1 has changed. SW is still directed at the audience the way it used to be but the now adult fanbase has forced Lucas to gear it more towards violence.




Actually I wasn't that keen on the LOTR films.
But remember that GL isn't adding violence to ROTS just to try and please the older fans; from when he started working on TPM he kept on saying Episode III would be the dark, violent one, so it was always on the cards.

bjlevine
03-17-2005, 04:41 PM
I don't think that any SW film, save TPM, was intended for children.



Don't act silly. They were always intended to be for a younger audience ever since ANH. ROTS is the only exception as it has a lot of negative events going on.


You're saying that SW films were always intended for children, and you're calling me silly? I think you underestimate his intentions!

There's no question that GL was aiming for a younger audience, but I'd have to say that it was for the college age group that was his main target.

Also, remember that prior to the PT, among other things, ROTJ was criticized for aiming too young (with the Ewoks).

Oh, and in my DVD copy of Star Wars, DS prison guards get gloriously blasted away.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

ThisIsMadness91
04-04-2005, 05:03 PM
If ROTS gets a PG-13, that means it will almost certainly get a '12' in the UK. Up until recently that meant no-one under 12 could go in at all, but now they've changed it to 'anyone under 12 must be accompanied by an adult' - grrrr!!!



I never really got that. It's really stupid to me. How is an adult's presence gonna change how a small child sees the film? I hope it gets a '12', and I hope parents with kids under the age of 12 decide to watch it first, then decide whether or not it is suitable for their child.

Herbert_Ackermans
04-05-2005, 03:13 AM
If ROTS gets a PG-13, that means it will almost certainly get a '12' in the UK. Up until recently that meant no-one under 12 could go in at all, but now they've changed it to 'anyone under 12 must be accompanied by an adult' - grrrr!!!



I never really got that. It's really stupid to me. How is an adult's presence gonna change how a small child sees the film? I hope it gets a '12', and I hope parents with kids under the age of 12 decide to watch it first, then decide whether or not it is suitable for their child.



The idea is that parents can distract the children at moments that might "psychologically" harm them.

Don't know how that can be explained given todays raw state of the world.