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Durge
07-14-2004, 09:52 AM
Instead of cluttering them all into one thread, I am making a new thread every week. Just like GNT's old figure of the week threads, I think this topic also deserves a weekly, uncluttered thread.

Continuing the segment where we can all voice our opinions about a certain CGI character, I present Rate the CGI Character – Week 2. Some points that can be discussed include:

1. How convincing is he/she?
2. What is your favorite performance from this character?
3. What is your least favorite performance from this character?

We continue the segment this week with the indispensable Clone Troopers!

http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/clonetroopers/img/eu_bg.jpg

http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/clonetroopers/img/bts_bg.jpg


When I first saw Attack of the Clones, I was sure that these guys were people in suits, or at least something similar. I later read that every single one of them was computer generated. I was stunned. I had no idea. The Clone Troopers are, by far, the most convincing use of CGI in any film I have ever seen.

There was not a moment in the film where I thought these guys were fake. The task of creating the clones really separated the boys from the men at Lucasfilm. They did a great job, and these are some of my most favorite CGI creations.

My favorite scene with a clone in it is the one where Yoda tells the commander to concentrate all fire of the nearest starship and then he gives the orders. It’s a very convincing moment, and once again, if I had not read otherwise, I would have thought that the trooper was real.

What do you think of the Clone Troopers?

Herbert_Ackermans
07-14-2004, 11:03 AM
...Arghh....

Durge
07-14-2004, 11:13 AM
...Arghh....



Not a fan of clones? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/icons/rolleyes.gif You don't have to post in my threads if you don't like them, or me for that matter. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Musashimaru
07-14-2004, 12:44 PM
Not a fan of clones? http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/icons/rolleyes.gif You don't have to post in my threads if you don't like them, or me for that matter. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif




Durge,

The thread is a fun idea, but nobody will want to take part in it if you are going to be rude.

Negativity is bad for the soul.

Durge
07-14-2004, 12:54 PM
I'm not the one being rude. He's dragging the thread down with his useless hate.

Now back on topic, what do you think of the CG clonetroopers?

PS Cute avatar. http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Musashimaru
07-14-2004, 01:53 PM
Durge,

All Herbert did was say Arghh. You did not have to respond to him the way that you did. The fun is already gone from this thread.

Neal
07-14-2004, 02:53 PM
Durge,

All Herbert did was say Arghh. You did not have to respond to him the way that you did. The fun is already gone from this thread.



You're a bit new around here, so you wouldn't understand that Durge and Herbert have had somewhat of a "history". I'm not saying whose wrong or right between the two of them, but there's a good chance there's more to Herbert's "Argh!" then you would initially see.

Anyway ... I love the CGI Clones. The realism in them is stunning.

bjlevine
07-14-2004, 02:59 PM
MOst of the CG characters have been non-human and had a different way of moving. What sets the clones apart is the natural way they moved. They looked pretty real.

blaster_E11
07-14-2004, 03:01 PM
to stay on topic :
they rock,
they can eat a battle droids batallion for breakfast
go clones !

Youngblood_YB
07-14-2004, 05:00 PM
i really liked the way lucasflims created the clonetroopers. there done well. ill give the clones a perfect 10.

Muftak
07-14-2004, 05:14 PM
I was stunned when I heard that the clones were all done entirely thru CGI as well.

My real question is "why?" I think the clones were a bit of the "let's do it because we can" mentality that has plagued the PT.

Might the presence of a bunch of guys in clone armor on set have gotten a better performance from the live actors?
Might it not've been better for Ewan McGregor--a diehard OT Star Wars fan all his life who would've instantly recognized the Stormtrooper parts and remembered Obi-Wan's interactions with them? Give the actor a chance to act, to be able to interact with a trooper on-set!

While I understand the need to do some troopers CGI for the big battles or for stunt stuff (even Jango and Obi-Wan were CGI for generous portions of their fight), I think the ban Lucas had on ever actually making a Clone Trooper suit (as was referenced in the AOTC DVD somewhere) was more hubris than anything else. And, last I checked, hubris is a weakness.

So, Clone Troopers as CGI creatures = "thumbs down" purely on principal.

IndianaVader
07-14-2004, 05:53 PM
Clones were convincing but in general I would have wished them to be guys in suits, I mean how lazy can you get when you can't put at least a few more guys in white suits?

_Max

Musashimaru
07-14-2004, 06:21 PM
I'm not saying whose wrong or right between the two of them, but there's a good chance there's more to Herbert's "Argh!" then you would initially see.



Herbert,

Shame on you! http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif Be more polite in the future with your Arghs.

Now, as far as the Clonetroopers go, I thought at first that it was odd that they were all CGI. However, they were so well done that you forget about that. One of the biggest reasons that I am excited to see Episode 3 is because I know that the clones will look even cooler.

Herbert_Ackermans
07-14-2004, 06:56 PM
Oh dear God, is that what Ep-3 is about?

More CGI-characters to drool over? If so, than GL has succeeded.

My take on CGI-clonetroopers? Not needed.

A fine example of using something just because you can. The only reason I can think of is that it's to make sure each clone is EXACTLY the same as the other. But who would notice that?

Other than that... no point.

Musashimaru
07-14-2004, 07:26 PM
Oh dear God, is that what Ep-3 is about?

More CGI-characters to drool over? If so, than GL has succeeded.



Well, the CGI characters are fun to "drool over", but I am also looking for a great story. I absolutely love the prequels so far, so I just hope that Episode 3 will be as good or even better than the first two.

Stormtrooper
07-15-2004, 03:07 PM
I like them, I too though that they were just guys in white suits, and helments with a number sticker slapped onto the back. As for my favourite scene with them, I like when there's smoke and the troopers have their backs turned, and you can the the number on one of the clones, this is when Mace Windu leads a bunch of 'em into battle.

Deak_Starkiller
07-16-2004, 12:53 PM
A fine example of using something just because you can. The only reason I can think of is that it's to make sure each clone is EXACTLY the same as the other. But who would notice that?




That's a valid point, expectations on CGI's is usually something that is can't be done on a conventional level either from a production and/or budgetary standpoint.

As far as my opinion in short, the renderings are overall excellent, but you just simply notice that CGI motion to them after watching them for a while.

Herbert_Ackermans
07-16-2004, 01:51 PM
But obviously GL isn't totally convinced CGI is King since for Ep-3 we still get quite elaborate sets being built in reality.

If GL was completely CGI-mad, we'd have seen green-green-green everywhere.

Still, there's a lot of that stuff, but somewhere he admits CGI isn't perfect enough.

Mike_S
07-17-2004, 12:07 AM
I had no idea that they were 100% CG.
Fantastic job by the people at ILM.
At least LFL didn't have to pay/feed that CG Clone army http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Tyranusspotting
08-01-2004, 07:30 AM
Oh dear God, is that what Ep-3 is about?

More CGI-characters to drool over? If so, than GL has succeeded.

My take on CGI-clonetroopers? Not needed.

A fine example of using something just because you can. The only reason I can think of is that it's to make sure each clone is EXACTLY the same as the other. But who would notice that?

Other than that... no point.



IMO, GL saved money. The CGI Clones are flawless. Why built suits? It costs less to create/ animate ONE perfect CGI model you could also use in close-up shots than creating not as detailed Clones for wideshots, paying the costume departement to build suits, hiring people to wear them, make them blend over perfectly. See?
It's simple.
And someone made a comment about Ewan would feel more sucked into the SW world if he had those actual Clones around him???? He is one of the best younger actors around, he had lots of fun doing SW, he has imagination to interact and react to them.

Eight_Nunb
08-05-2004, 11:34 PM
The Clones have a cool design. I didn't like it at first, thought their mask looked like a bulldog or something. But i got used to them, and eventually liked them.

As for the CGI, they were all well done, but i can still kinda tell they are CGI, especially in medium shots with glare coming off the helmets. For the CGI i give them a 9/10.

Ray_N_Quiet_Rob
08-06-2004, 12:48 AM
i really liked the way lucasflims created the clonetroopers. there done well. ill give the clones a perfect 10.



agreed, they get a 10.

grandpa_yoda
08-14-2004, 09:38 AM
CGI-I thought all the clones were real people-how disappointed i am http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif