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06-05-2002, 10:07 PM
I set up at the show. I paid $1400 for my booth. I had 2 employees working my booth. 3 of us total. I bought 0ver 50 probably closer to 60 Jorg Sacul figures. NOT ONE DID I PAY UNDER $20 for. Most I bought sunday for $35 each. We had absolutely no opportunity to wait in line and buy them for $10 as we were so busy we could not walk away from the booth but to go to the bathroom and get something to eat which had to be brought back to the booth because no one could be gone for over 5 minutes. Those who complain are probably those who have hourly or salary jobs and do not understand economics. I paid $35 for most of my sacals and risked the fan club offering them later for $9.99. Had that happened I would have 50 figures that I would have been lucky to sell on e-bay for $10 and would have lost over $1000.It aslso would have taken me a month to sell them. It is he who takes risks in business who reap the profits and rewards and those who are too scared to do so are quick to complain about those of us who do. We provide a service and we charge for that service just like any one else in business.People would come to me and sell me a figure first thing in the morning than go back in line again and bring back more an hour later. If they could do it why couldn't you. They probably should have made more but anyone who was there more than one day knew how hard it was and if they missed it the first day should have been in line early the next. Every day at least one person came to me (Very far from the entrance and went back in line and got more) so that tells me if you wanted one and were willing to wait in line you could have gotten one. IF you were to lazy or wanted to do something else instead whose fault is that? The same people who complain about paying to much tend to be the same people who when they need cash and want to sell their collection are the people who want top dollar for their items.I have been doing this as a profession for almost 10 years and buy stuff out of my retail store everyday not always star wars but everyday so I know what I am talking about. You want to buy cheap and sell high and than complain when dealers try to do the same. Even the most die hard collectors sell when they need money trust me I have bought some awesome collections over the years. Anyway I am ranting. We provide a service and if you do not like it move to a socialist or communist country because last time I knew America was for Capitalism and Capitalism is how you get paid every week unless you work for the goverment.
Dave - Cincinnati Sci-Fi

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-06-2002, 03:27 AM
??? If you're against price-gouging you're a communist? That's a pretty retarded assertion...

Anyway, I waited in line and got squat. That line moved slower than you think.

"People would come to me and sell me a figure first thing in the morning than go back in line again and bring back more an hour later. If they could do it why couldn't you."

That's because they stood at the exit and bought figures off people as they were leaving for about $20 (several people told me they did this), then they sold it to you for $35.

And you call people who see a line about 1,000 persons long that's NOT MOVING and decide their $30 door fee isn't worth spending all day in line LAZY? That's stupid, but it's also beside the point.

What makes me angry at dealers like you is that despite buying these figures at a rapid pace--NONE were available at the Con! Every sign I saw said "buying" or "trading for", but not one single sign offered these figures for sale.

If you dealers are so guiltless in this debacle, why'd you all horde these figures for ridiculous eBay prices instead of offering them to fans at the con?

You're the reason conscientious people fight for regulations. images/icons/mad.gif

06-06-2002, 07:28 AM
It sounds like someone is trying to make justification for something. What, I'm not sure. I thoroughly believe that dealers are entitled to make a profit, they do provide a service, but don't start talking down to the "wage slaves" as you inferred most of us are. Oh, I get it, if someone feels you are charging to much, they must be too F'ing stupid to understand you. Get a life. I don't think anyone here complaining about not being able to get a Sacul at the $10 cost desires to make a huge profit like you, they just wanted a 1 for their collection. Do I blame you ? No, you're in business to make money. I feel it was poorly planned and the safeguards to protect against scalping were woefully inadequate (wow, one of us ignorant wretches can use 50 cent words). I don't really even blame those people who intended to price gouge all those extras they bought, or dealers like you and Brian's Toys (who I did make some nice purchases from on things I hadn't been able to find, so I'm not one of the many haters of them) who sell them for upwards of $125 dollars. Just do not expect me to buy your lame justifications that it's all perfectly OK, you are totally blameless, and that those who didn't get a figure were simply lazy. I don't know you, and I don't make assumptions about you. So DON'T DO IT ABOUT ME AND MY FRIENDS (BOTH PERSONAL AND THE MANY FINE PEOPLE I'VE COME TO KNOW HERE). Now, under those same guidelines, I could assume that since you are a toy dealer, you are morbidly obese, have the fashion sense of a color blind 3 year old, live in your mother's basement (or the spare bedroom of her mobile home), drive a 3 tone Pinto, and on Date Night, are accompanied by your right hand (or left if you are feeling frisky). Do I do that ? No. I'm sure you make a decent living with your business, but don't assume that the rest of us are working at Wal-Mart or McDonalds, and don't understand rudimentary economic principles...we are simply lamenting the fact that the situation wasn't handled as well as it should have been, and hope that in the future, it is done in more fairly so all collectors get the chance to obtain the exclusive figures. If that threatens your precious business, well then, I hear Wal-Mart is hiring...

06-06-2002, 04:43 PM
I did not mean to insult the masses however I had people even when I was paying 20 on friday and saturday morning go back in line and wait. It was possible to go through the line twice on friday and saturday. The figure did not sell out until about 1pm or 2pm on Friday.
Maybe on Sunday what you said was true people would buy from people from the line, I do not know because I was chained to my table.
About gouging - I paid $35 and sold at my store for $60. The guy who waited in line made just as much as me and I have the risk. It was not until they started going crazy on e-bay that I jacked up my prices. I do not see people selling gold and silver at less than the going newspaper rate so why should I sell my sacul for any less than someone will pay. I have a family to support and I have every right to buy whatever I want at whatever price I can get it and then sell it for whatever the market will bear. That is America and no one told me not to sell it at the show . I was quoting paying $35 selling $50-$54 at the show. IF you asked I would have sold one. I sold about 25 at the show. No one told me I could not sell them but I did not advertise selling just buying.

JosephY
06-06-2002, 09:18 PM
Dave (slidog) made exactly the point that I was trying to make in an earlier thread. He is a dealer (and a MORE than fair one at that,from my experiences buying from him)He is there to make money , it is his livleyhood. I'm sure that he had clients overseas that had wanted Saculs, and he supplied them for his customers, as well as some for store or ebay stock. He is simply making money based on supply and demand. The principals that our free market economy is based on.

If you were too lazy (or were enjoying other features of the convention) to get in line early for the Sacul, either pay a premium for it or go without. I honestly did pay a small premium for mine ($30) but I feel that my time is worth money, and I would have rather spent an extra $20 on that fig and seen the panels that I wanted to see, than waiting in a loong line for the better part of the afternoon. ANY collector that left Cel2 without a Sacul figure quite simply didn't take the time to look and see how many were changing hands.They could have waited at the end of the line and offered someone $$ for thiers, they could have approached someone that was going up to a dealers booth with some and asked to buy one... but you didn't. Who's to blame for you not having that figure.... YOU are no one else. Stop *****ing and moaning and either coin up and buy one or cross it off of your things to own list.
Do I own EVERY piece that I want in my collection, not by a long shot. Do I (usually) ***** about it?? Not usually. It seems that too many modern collectors spend most of thier time complaining about the hobby rather than enjoying it. What's up with that?

Joseph

06-07-2002, 08:21 AM
If either of you had bothered to read my post, instead of just immediately saying that all we are doing is complaining, you would have saw that I am not complaining about anyone selling their figures for whatever price they can get, and I agreed that sildog and other dealers have the right to run their business as they see fit...their customers will be the ultimate judge of them....Nor am I complaining and whining about this hobby...
My complaints were at the way the whole thing was set up (and BTW, I did get a Sacul), and that people seek justification and approval of their behavior...Sildog, I readily admit you took a business risk, but to compare your risk to the collectors who didn't get a Sacul is assine. You are in this to make money, as you state by mentioning the family you have to support. To do so running your own business requires you to take risks, so don't expect me or anyone else to give you a big kudos for it...that's an inherent part of your operation...and don't expect me to give you a "thumbs up" for your shrewd business moves...any moron could have figured out that you could make a huge profit buying as many as possible at the Celebration, then selling them on Ebay or on your own site...MOST people there simply didn't care to, they just wanted to own 1 for their collection...so maybe next time, take a few moments to read and actually understand what someone else says.

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-07-2002, 06:18 PM
Let me tell you people something...

Take a good long look at hobbies like comic books and sports cards.

It's scenarios such as this (honest or not) that DRIVES the hobby into the dirt.

When there becomes a clear division of classes in the hobby (those who are lucky enough to have connections to get the "PREMIUM" items, and those who don't) then the "don'ts" QUIT THE HOBBY.

People turn elsewhere once they realize that all the "good" stuff is--and always will be--unavailable to them.

You can talk economics all you want. But the moment the masses feel EXCLUDED FROM OPPORTUNITY, they turn elsewhere.

I don't lament not having a Jorg Sacul figure. No, I don't. I don't own every SW figure, nor do I try to. I do lament that the convention organizers allowed this fiasco to happen.

There's no excuse for that. Hasbro KNOWS that if they overproduce that they will NEVER be stuck with those figures. Hasbro could release the Jorg figure in Wal-Marts TODAY--with the "Convention Exclusive" label-- for $10 each and still sell out within weeks. But they won't. And I'll never understand why.

Word is, thousands of Jorgs will soon be available overseas. Thousands that could have been sold to people at the Convention at $10 each. Thousands that could be sold right here in America to LOYAL life-long fans.

But nope. They'd rather support the have/have not "Exclusive" scenario.

JosephY
06-07-2002, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by fumetti:
Let me tell you people something...

Take a good long look at hobbies like comic books and sports cards.

It's scenarios such as this (honest or not) that DRIVES the hobby into the dirt.

When there becomes a clear division of classes in the hobby (those who are lucky enough to have connections to get the "PREMIUM" items, and those who don't) then the "don'ts" QUIT THE HOBBY.

People turn elsewhere once they realize that all the "good" stuff is--and always will be--unavailable to them.

You can talk economics all you want. But the moment the masses feel EXCLUDED FROM OPPORTUNITY, they turn elsewhere.

I don't lament not having a Jorg Sacul figure. No, I don't. I don't own every SW figure, nor do I try to. I do lament that the convention organizers allowed this fiasco to happen.

But nope. They'd rather support the have/have not "Exclusive" scenario.<font size="2" face="arial">"The Masses" can go right over to Ebay and buy a Sacul any time their hearts desire. If the "Masses" were so worried about getting one, they'd have one. You can go to Ebay right now and choose from over a hundred auctions for the figure. If the "Masses" were AT Cel2, then they should have "awoken the masses" a bit earlier so they could have gotten into line.
As far as the "don'ts" quitting the hobby, let them. IF they loved the hobby so much they'd figure out a way to afford one or rationalize a collection without one. And as far as modern collecting(production toys)the items that are considered to be "good stuff" are ALL within ANY collectors reach IF they are motivated enough to
make the hobby work for them, or loosen their wallets a bit.

Joseph

GNT
06-07-2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by fumetti:
Word is, thousands of Jorgs will soon be available overseas. Thousands that could have been sold to people at the Convention at $10 each. Thousands that could be sold right here in America to LOYAL life-long fans.<font size="2" face="arial">What are you saying,us people from overseas aren't loyal fans? As we have jobs and don't have the time to spend thousands just to travel overseas for a couple of days just to get a $10 figure,which probably wouldn't be there if some j@ck***** bought 60 of them to sell.


Originally posted by JYX1138:
It seems that too many modern collectors spend most of thier time complaining about the hobby rather than enjoying it.What's up with that?<font size="2" face="arial">How can we enjoy our hobby when some j@ck***** buys 60 figures to scalp?

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-07-2002, 11:54 PM
"What are you saying,us people from overseas aren't loyal fans? As we have jobs and don't have the time to spend thousands just to travel overseas for a couple of days just to get a $10 figure,which probably wouldn't be there if some j@ck***** bought 60 of them to sell."

I should have guessed that would be misunderstood. No, foreigners are no less loyal. That wasn't my point.

My point is: the Convention was in AMERICA, and there were thousands of loyal fans AT THE CON who missed out.

Sending thousands of "extras" to foreign countries when people WHO ATTENDED THE CON were turned away because they "sold out" is F*KTUP.

IMO, this is fraud on the convention's part. They advertised those figures would be available. Yes, they said they were limited, but they did NOT say: "Yeah, we're soliciting this exclusive to entice you to attend, but there's a good chance we'll deny you and send the figure overseas to somebody who didn't attend." I don't know if it's actionable, but it's certainly despicable.

If there are exclusives to be offered in the name of the convention, it should be AVAILABLE to the people who actually ATTEND. Available to THEM ahead of anybody else.

and--ONE--AT--A--TIME!!!!!

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-08-2002, 12:15 AM
"The Masses" can go right over to Ebay and buy a Sacul any time their hearts desire. If the "Masses" were so worried about getting one, they'd have one. You can go to Ebay right now and choose from over a hundred auctions for the figure. If the "Masses" were AT Cel2, then they should have "awoken the masses" a bit earlier so they could have gotten into line.
As far as the "don'ts" quitting the hobby, let them. IF they loved the hobby so much they'd figure out a way to afford one or rationalize a collection without one. And as far as modern collecting(production toys)the items that are considered to be "good stuff" are ALL within ANY collectors reach IF they are motivated enough to
make the hobby work for them, or loosen their wallets a bit.

Joseph[/QB]<font size="2" face="arial">That's one big pile of steaming bullsh*t.

You misguided people (who are infected with the "I got mine" disease) who assert that everybody who didn't get one is lazy are STUPID.

On Saturday, I stood in a line that was--no joke--a football field long with about 800-1,000 people in it. I was in that line what seemed two hours (although I didn't time it) when we got the bad news. Don't tell me I'm "lazy."

When the worker came out (about 1:30 or 2 pm or so) and said there were no more figures available, that line DISAPPEARED. All that was left was about 75 people at the tables.

NOTE: If EVERYBODY had gotten in line "early" as you suggested, they STILL would have sold out with the SAME number of people turned away. At NO POINT was there NOT a line waiting to buy a figure. So getting there "early" wouldn't change ANYTHING about this situation. (If person A shows up earlier than person B, then person A gets a figure and B doesn't. If B gets there first, then A goes without. Either way, somebody gets turned away. Your proposition solves NOTHING) So you can drop that hollow argument.)

But you people want to DODGE THE ISSUE. The issue isn't what time of day it was. The issue is that the convention organizers created a situation that ALLOWED supplies to be depleted by scalpers and speculators.

It's simple math. If they limited everybody to 1 per person, then the supply would have lasted TWICE as long. (It takes no less time to buy one figure than it does two).

As for eBay, "the masses" have more damn sense than pay $70-80 for a $10 item. They're not the fools you wish them to be. (Unfortunately, there are always a minute percentage who encourage your behavior by paying outrageous prices. I guess there will always be suckers...)

..."loosen their wallets".... for WHOM? For the manufacturer, Hasbro? We do that ALREADY. Oh, you mean for you SCALPERS! You want us to "loosen our wallets" for you, too! Well, you can go get bent.

[ 06-08-2002, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: fumetti ]

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-08-2002, 12:58 AM
(original polite comment deleted)

You c*cks*ckers aren't worth any niceties.

[ 06-10-2002, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: fumetti ]

JosephY
06-08-2002, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by fumetti:
[QUOTE]That's one big pile of steaming bullsh*t.

You misguided people (who are infected with the "I got mine" disease) who assert that everybody who didn't get one is lazy are STUPID.

On Saturday, I stood in a line that was--no joke--a football field long with about 800-1,000 people in it. I was in that line what seemed two hours (although I didn't time it) when we got the bad news. Don't tell me I'm "lazy."

When the worker came out (about 1:30 or 2 pm or so) and said there were no more figures available, that line DISAPPEARED. All that was left was about 75 people at the tables.

NOTE: If EVERYBODY had gotten in line "early" as you suggested, they STILL would have sold out with the SAME number of people turned away. At NO POINT was there NOT a line waiting to buy a figure. So getting there "early" wouldn't change ANYTHING about this situation. (If person A shows up earlier than person B, then person A gets a figure and B doesn't. If B gets there first, then A goes without. Either way, somebody gets turned away. Your proposition solves NOTHING) So you can drop that hollow argument.)

But you people want to DODGE THE ISSUE. The issue isn't what time of day it was. The issue is that the convention organizers created a situation that ALLOWED supplies to be depleted by scalpers and speculators.

It's simple math. If they limited everybody to 1 per person, then the supply would have lasted TWICE as long. (It takes no less time to buy one figure than it does two).

As for eBay, "the masses" have more damn sense than pay $70-80 for a $10 item. They're not the fools you wish them to be. (Unfortunately, there are always a minute percentage who encourage your behavior by paying outrageous prices. I guess there will always be suckers...)

..."loosen their wallets".... for WHOM? For the manufacturer, Hasbro? We do that ALREADY. Oh, you mean for you SCALPERS! You want us to "loosen our wallets" for you, too! Well, you can go get bent.<font size="2" face="arial">I'm far from infected by the "I've got mine" desease that you speak of. But if you were SMART, you would have stood at the end of the line and offered someone $20 or $25 for one of thier extras, instead of standing around like an idiot and leaving empty handed. I don't know about you but my time is worth a LOT more than $10 or $20 per hour in a line, especially when I have friends there from around the world that I haven't actually seen in a few years . If your " Never above retail" mentality doesn't comprehend that your time is worth money too, then it's your loss. As for calling me a scalper..... I got 2 of them , I paid $30 ea and I sold one to a friend in Denmark for $40, ohhhh I'm the big badd scallper bogeyman comming to horde all of your Cel2 figures.... Give me a break.
Your hollow argument that people are too "smart" to pay $70 for a $10 figure.... IT WAS ONLY A $10 FIGURE IF AND ONLY IF YOU WERE AT THE CONVENTION AND WERE IN LINE EARLY ENOUGH TO GET ONE .It's unavailable anywhwere else... I'm sure that the long term price for this figure will drop from it's lofty Ebay price of the moment. But to what...$50 at the lowest, unless they release some more thru the fan club. STILL they are selling at $70 and above.Who's more the sucker... the person that gets what he/she wants or the whinny little Bi%ch
that complains and hems and haws over a paultry $70 purchase for a hobby that they claim to love sooo much. I DO agree that Wizards could have/should have had more of the figures available to cover the demand, but they didn't end of story. So now it's either pay up to whichever dealer/collector is selling them or go complain about the invisible scalper monster that wants to eat all of the"good figures" BTW...They wouldn't be good figures if everyone had them , they'd be like Jar Jars that no one wants or cares about.Do all of you modern collectors want to have the exact same collection?? I'm sooo glad that there's a lot of diversity in the vintage portion of the hobby, If I had to look at jack offs like you as my contemporaries, I'd quit the hobby too.

Cheers images/icons/grin.gif
Joseph

Darth_Bryan
06-08-2002, 01:04 AM
Well, I'm just glad I was able to get 2 extra figures early on Friday to sell at cost to my friends. That way the didn't have to go to those nice ebay auctions and get screwed over. It is a total crock that anybody a dealer or whatever was able to get 50 to 60. I'm sorry but I don't believe you just had to up the price bc everyone else was doing. Anybody in any business even a kid with a lemonade stand would know the figures were going to go for a lot because they were exclusive. I'm just feel for those people who tried to get figures on Sunday and were left with nothing. Dealers selling the figures at their booth should of been shut down period. That's just scalping and I don't care how you try to justify it. If you didn't have the figures at your booth others would of been able to get them. I know you may of been getting figures to sell at your place of business but so what. If you couldn't go tough. I had to make some sacrifices and others could of too.

JosephY
06-08-2002, 01:27 AM
oh.... and I didn't mean anything about anyone personally in my rant either. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Cheers
Joseph

Jason_Coulston
06-08-2002, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by fumetti:
[QB]Let me tell you people something...

Take a good long look at hobbies like comic books and sports cards.

It's scenarios such as this (honest or not) that DRIVES the hobby into the dirt.[QB]<font size="2" face="arial">I hope this hobby gets driven into the dirt sooner than later because personally, I'd like to start paying cents on the dollar for MOC vintage items. Seriously.

Bill_McBride
06-09-2002, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by JYX1138:
I'm sooo glad that there's a lot of diversity in the vintage portion of the hobby, If I had to look at jack offs like you as my contemporaries, I'd quit the hobby too.

Cheers images/icons/grin.gif
Joseph<font size="2" face="arial">HAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif ROTFLMAO!!!!
(Thanks Joe, I needed that images/icons/grin.gif )

Bill

(I think he was talking about you, ALF images/icons/wink.gif )

cmaybur
06-09-2002, 08:50 PM
I'm sooo glad that there's a lot of diversity in the vintage portion of the hobby, If I had to look at jack offs like you as my contemporaries, I'd quit the hobby too.

This has got to be one of the funniest things I have ever read!

Jason_Coulston
06-09-2002, 08:53 PM
It's almost as funny as "Crouching idiot, hidden *******"! images/icons/grin.gif

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-10-2002, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by JYX1138:
<font size="2" face="arial">I'm far from infected by the "I've got mine" desease that you speak of. But if you were SMART, you would have stood at the end of the line and offered someone $20 or $25 for one of thier extras, instead of standing around like an idiot and leaving empty handed. I don't know about you but my time is worth a LOT more than $10 or $20 per hour in a line, especially when I have friends there from around the world that I haven't actually seen in a few years . If your " Never above retail" mentality doesn't comprehend that your time is worth money too, then it's your loss. As for calling me a scalper..... I got 2 of them , I paid $30 ea and I sold one to a friend in Denmark for $40, ohhhh I'm the big badd scallper bogeyman comming to horde all of your Cel2 figures.... Give me a break.
Your hollow argument that people are too "smart" to pay $70 for a $10 figure.... IT WAS ONLY A $10 FIGURE IF AND ONLY IF YOU WERE AT THE CONVENTION AND WERE IN LINE EARLY ENOUGH TO GET ONE .It's unavailable anywhwere else... I'm sure that the long term price for this figure will drop from it's lofty Ebay price of the moment. But to what...$50 at the lowest, unless they release some more thru the fan club. STILL they are selling at $70 and above.Who's more the sucker... the person that gets what he/she wants or the whinny little Bi%ch
that complains and hems and haws over a paultry $70 purchase for a hobby that they claim to love sooo much. I DO agree that Wizards could have/should have had more of the figures available to cover the demand, but they didn't end of story. So now it's either pay up to whichever dealer/collector is selling them or go complain about the invisible scalper monster that wants to eat all of the"good figures" BTW...They wouldn't be good figures if everyone had them , they'd be like Jar Jars that no one wants or cares about.Do all of you modern collectors want to have the exact same collection?? I'm sooo glad that there's a lot of diversity in the vintage portion of the hobby, If I had to look at jack offs like you as my contemporaries, I'd quit the hobby too.[/QUOTE]

Woohoo!!! Gotcha! The dog that barks is the dog that got HIT!

So you know you're a parasite on the hobby but you're too thin-skinned to be criticized for it!!! Sorry, baby-kins.

Sure, I'd have saved time and paid $20 for a figure as buyers were leaving the door, if I'd known about that practice BEFORE they shut the line down. Despite my typically cynical nature, I prefer to think most fans stood in lines to buy and keep the exclusives, not sell them within seconds. But *****s like you keep reaffirming the true Dark Side to any human venture.

Hey, b*tching is free. Most importantly, dill-holes like you don't have my $70 (I might consider paying Hasbro $70, but NEVER to scumsuckers like you). All you've gotten out of me is an ear full. And from your post, you ain't happy about it. So THAT makes me happy, and it didn't cost me a dime!

Talk about SHALLOW. The only way you can value your collection is whether you have something somebody ELSE doesn't have?

Is your d*ck so small you have to compensate by hoarding exclusive TOYS???

(Note: These are action figures, not strap-ons. You're dealing in the wrong plastics for what you really need.)

[ 06-10-2002, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: fumetti ]

Ed3
06-10-2002, 10:06 AM
So you would have been happier if the Jorg Sacul figure has cost $70 at the convention (which would give Hasbro and Wizards a profit of around $65 on the figure) than to give a fellow collector with an extra to sell $20 (giving him $10 more than he paid for it but saving you time at the convention)? I would have loved to see more of the convention but I knew the figure would sell out so I got in line first thing in the morning. On reflection, I would have rather had seen "Star Wars in 30 Minutes" and paid an extra $10 for my figure but I didn't.

They're called choices, people. You make them every day and they have consequences. Could the distribution have been better? Yeah. Can they fix it for next time? I hope so. Will all this whining about a TOY put them off the idea so nobody gets anything exclusive at C3? I sure hope not but it could head that way.

JosephY
06-10-2002, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by fumetti:
[QUOTE]

Woohoo!!! Gotcha! The dog that barks is the dog that got HIT!

So you know you're a parasite on the hobby but you're too thin-skinned to be criticized for it!!! Sorry, baby-kins.

Sure, I'd have saved time and paid $20 for a figure as buyers were leaving the door, if I'd known about that practice BEFORE they shut the line down. Despite my typically cynical nature, I prefer to think most fans stood in lines to buy and keep the exclusives, not sell them within seconds. But *****s like you keep reaffirming the true Dark Side to any human venture.

Hey, b*tching is free. Most importantly, dill-holes like you don't have my $70 (I might consider paying Hasbro $70, but NEVER to scumsuckers like you). All you've gotten out of me is an ear full. And from your post, you ain't happy about it. So THAT makes me happy, and it didn't cost me a dime!

Talk about SHALLOW. The only way you can value your collection is whether you have something somebody ELSE doesn't have?

Is your d*ck so small you have to compensate by hoarding exclusive TOYS???

(Note: These are action figures, not strap-ons. You're dealing in the wrong plastics for what you really need.)<font size="2" face="arial">OK.... as this has obviously pissed you off,based on the fact that you've now decided to brag about how many strap ons you own......ewwwww, practicing for being someones prag are you??

The point that I was TRYING to make that is obviously has gone in one ear and out the other, probably because you were too busy downloading some kiddie porn, Is that: No collector has any excuse,other than not being able to afford it/or being too cheap to pay for it (the first is most likely why you don't own one).Fine, I understand you being all pissed off that you stood in line and didn't get one. BUT a huge part of building a good collection is having the ingenuity to make sure that you get what you want. AS for ME hordeing all of these figures??? It makes me laugh, I currently own 1, I had 2, and that's it. I'm not condoning the "dark side of human nature" but lets face it, there are far more "dark" things in human nature than this.

BTW, you can ask your mom about my d*ck size
images/icons/grin.gif , she seemed to be enjoying herself.

(now back to our on topic arguement..... already in progress)

As for me being a parasite on the hobby??? I've contributed to this hobby by sharing my collection with others, offering advice to other collectors ,Helping to stop overseas scam artists on more than one occasion, helping friends get/find items that otherwise would have been unavailable to them. And I've been doing these things for years. Other than b*tching what the hell have you done for the overall good of the hobby????.

Cheers
Joseph Y.

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-10-2002, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by sithtoys:
Hey Einstein...it takes two to tango, so this would be a non-issue if no one was SCALPING their figures right at the show.<font size="2" face="arial">You are quite right to bring up the suckers who encourage scalping even at their own expense. I condemn this behavior just as much. If they were only hurting themselves, I wouldn't care. But their behavior has a ripple effect all through the hobby.

Sems_Fir
06-10-2002, 04:13 PM
JYX1138 wrote:
"I've contributed to this hobby by sharing my collection with others, offering advice to other collectors ,Helping to stop overseas scam artists on more than one occasion, helping friends get/find items that otherwise would have been unavailable to them. And I've been doing these things for years. Other than b*tching what the hell have you done for the overall good of the hobby????".
As a fellow collector who has known Joe for a couple of years I have nothing but respect for Joe and what he's done for the hobby. Joe has found key collectibles that perhaps otherwise may have never been found. I've purchased some items and traded some items with Joe, and not once has Joe been a scalper. Cheers Joe! 8&gt;)
Was I able to attend the Celebration? Unfortunately no, but I did see pictures of the lines and they were indeed long. Was I able to obtain an exclusive figure? Yes I did, and all it cost me was asking a fellow collector who did attend to be kind enough to pick me up a figure and I would pay the $10 cost. Thanks Rob A.! 8&gt;)
The bottom line is Hasbro is in the toy business to make money and hopefully make kids as well as adults and collectors happy. Can Hasbro please everyone all the time? Clearly not. Does Hasbro have problems? Perhaps. One way to solve problems at Hasbro is to send them a job resume and perhaps get a job interview. I'm not singling out any collector in the hobby with the previous sentence. All I am suggesting is that if a collector has issues with Hasbro try to work for the company. Many men and women work hard to produce toys for everyone to enjoy. If a collector thinks they can do better then I would suggest filling out a job application to the company to help fix the problems. Was the distribution of the exclusive figure poor? Every collector has an opinion on that subject. There were plenty of exclusive figures created. A collector doesn't need to own one overnight. Remember the Theatre Edition Luke? What once was a figure going for over $100.00 on the collectors market basically fetches half that today. I say be patient let the market settle and pick up as many exclusive figures as you would like.
Cheers to you Joseph! 8&gt;)

Robert

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-10-2002, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by Sems Fir:
JYX1138 wrote:
"I've contributed to this hobby by sharing my collection with others, offering advice to other collectors ,Helping to stop overseas scam artists on more than one occasion, helping friends get/find items that otherwise would have been unavailable to them. And I've been doing these things for years. Other than b*tching what the hell have you done for the overall good of the hobby????".
As a fellow collector who has known Joe for a couple of years I have nothing but respect for Joe and what he's done for the hobby. Joe has found key collectibles that perhaps otherwise may have never been found. I've purchased some items and traded some items with Joe, and not once has Joe been a scalper. Cheers Joe! 8&gt;)
Was I able to attend the Celebration? Unfortunately no, but I did see pictures of the lines and they were indeed long. Was I able to obtain an exclusive figure? Yes I did, and all it cost me was asking a fellow collector who did attend to be kind enough to pick me up a figure and I would pay the $10 cost. Thanks Rob A.! 8&gt;)
The bottom line is Hasbro is in the toy business to make money and hopefully make kids as well as adults and collectors happy. Can Hasbro please everyone all the time? Clearly not. Does Hasbro have problems? Perhaps. One way to solve problems at Hasbro is to send them a job resume and perhaps get a job interview. I'm not singling out any collector in the hobby with the previous sentence. All I am suggesting is that if a collector has issues with Hasbro try to work for the company. Many men and women work hard to produce toys for everyone to enjoy. If a collector thinks they can do better then I would suggest filling out a job application to the company to help fix the problems. Was the distribution of the exclusive figure poor? Every collector has an opinion on that subject. There were plenty of exclusive figures created. A collector doesn't need to own one overnight. Remember the Theatre Edition Luke? What once was a figure going for over $100.00 on the collectors market basically fetches half that today. I say be patient let the market settle and pick up as many exclusive figures as you would like.
Cheers to you Joseph! 8&gt;)

Robert<font size="2" face="arial">Anybody else notice that the only people who defend this debacle are the people who **GOT THEIRS**???

"Plenty" of Jorg Sacul figures created? If that's the case, then why did THOUSANDS of disappointed fans leave the convention empty handed?

Oh that's right. Friends were picking up duplicates for non-attendees such as yourself. No doubt YOU think there were plenty--you didn't even bother to show up and got one!

But the above poster should watch his argument more carefully. If Hasbro is "in the business to make money" then WHY, praytell, do they intentionally produce LESS than the demand??? Hasbro knows FULL WELL that any overproduction for a convention exclusive could easily be sold within DAYS.

And ANYBODY could do a better job getting figures into the hands of buyers than the people at Hasbro. The problem is--whoever's making the decisions doesn't WANT these items in the hands of all the buyers who want them. Don't agree? Explain the years old policy of "short-packing", particularly the popular characters such as Dooku.

From the clear position "Joe" is taking on this issue, no doubt he wishes to "help" collectors... so long as HE collects HIS 700% profit. Gee, what a swell guy.

[ 06-10-2002, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: fumetti ]

Sems_Fir
06-10-2002, 09:56 PM
fumetti wrote:
"Oh that's right. Friends were picking up duplicates for non-attendees such as yourself. No doubt YOU think there were plenty--you didn't even bother to show up and got one!"
How polite of YOU to SHOUT your reply! I was unable to attend the celebration because I work for a living. You seem to be throwing a temper tantrum over a plastic toy action figure for no reason! From your whining and complaining you don't even appear to act old enough to own one! After all, the card plainly states "Not for children under 3 years". Perhaps that's the reason why you couldn't obtain one.
If you believe that's it so easy to distribute toys, do all the collectors a great service and apply to Hasbro for head of distribution. Odds are good that you won't find it as easy as it seems.
Short packing could come about for any number of reasons. Hasbro can't foresee into the future and forecast which characters are going to sell the most. Hero characters generally sell better than the villians, and since Hasbro is IN THE BUSINESS to sell toys, Hasbro would probably like to make money off of their product. Remember collectors are only a segment of people who buy the toys, and since these are just toys young boys and girls should be allowed to use their minds and role play their favourite scenes from the Star Wars movies. Also secondary characters don't sell as well, and while that doesn't apply to the Count it does apply to other characters from the various forms of the Star Wars toy line. If Hasbro comes to the conclusion that a secondary character won't sell as well the production run for that figure could be a less number. If Hasbro sees that there's a demand for that character logic would hopefully tell them to increase the production run. Making action figures costs alot of money to create, produce, and distribute. If it appears that the company is going to lose money, Hasbro most likely won't order a large production run of a figure.
Another possible reason to short pack is to get people (like collectors) to keep visiting the toy aisles to see what's new (if anything at all). If you keep going back to check you may see something else to purchase from either the same toy line or perhaps another toy line Hasbro has the license to. Perhaps, Hasbro only ordered so many of a particular figure made and once it sees the demand, increases the production of the figure to meet that sale demand. Those are just some of the many possibilites.
It's obvious you are pre judging Joe and myself, when your only axed to grind is over not being able to obtain a plastic action figure.
There are other outlets besides Ebay to obtain the figure. Have you tried to post a trade ad in the forums as an example. A great way to expand the fun of the hobby is to network to help aquire the pieces you would like to have for your own collection. It wouldn't hurt to post a help ad. You may have several responses to it, and finally get the figure you missed at the celebration.
There was no need to pre judge me because I wasn't fortunate enough to attend, but able to obtain the figure you appear to desire so much. If you knew Joe personally you would find out fast he's one of the best sources for collector information and can be of great help in obtaining the pieces you may need for your collection and NOT at scalper prices as you claim. Joe has been of great help to many collectors, including myself, but I believe Joe would probably have a response to the previous posts as it's his character you are attacking, and for no reason.

Robert

JohnA
06-10-2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by sithtoys:
(actually I am kidding, "Baby Kins" is my new pet name for John A. or Ron.... depending on who gets in the chat first)<font size="2" face="arial">Ok how do I always get dragged into these threads?? I was harmlessly watching Joe and fumetti duke it out until a few days ago. I didn't even know this was still going on until Rob emailed me to get a laugh and sent this thread. Now poor Rob is dragged down. I think this thread is as funny as the ALF one. These two dorks have to be related. Come on guys get a life. It's a freakin' $10 figure. And yes I have one too. images/icons/grin.gif It's yours for $100. *Sadly another collector turns scalper because of the money, it's a shame really*

Oh well, what are ya gonna do? I think I'll go find some Dookus, Yodas and whatever other figure people get hot and bothered about and make some cash.

BTW folks for anyone that can't see it. This is SARCASM!! I have one but I'm not selling it. I kinda want a momento for the w/e that so few people enjoyed. And just think thier enjoyment was sitting in my room unguarded along w/ my roomate's 2 Jorgs. Man somebody could have had a good w/e if we left the door open. images/icons/wink.gif I almost feel like giving mine to someone just so they will shut the F@CK up!! This thread is getting way out of hand and some of these jerk offs are really saying some out of line things. I can't believe this is all b/c somebody didn't have the brains to figure out how to score an exclusive figure at the event itself. Now flame away. I can't wait to see the vulgarities that fly my way. This thread has reduced otherwise calm, collected, and helpful collectors to name calling. I am really sick of it. I often wonder why we ever stray from the vintage forum. Nothing but trolls in some of these other forums (you know who you are ALF, fumetti, and whoever that other clown was)

John

JohnA
06-10-2002, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Chris Maybury:
I'm sooo glad that there's a lot of diversity in the vintage portion of the hobby, If I had to look at jack offs like you as my contemporaries, I'd quit the hobby too.

This has got to be one of the funniest things I have ever read!<font size="2" face="arial">Nah Chris, Jason's right "Crouching idiot, hidden *******" is the funniest I've seen. I still laugh when I see that.

John

JosephY
06-10-2002, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by fumetti:
[/qb]<font size="2" face="arial">From the clear position "Joe" is taking on this issue, no doubt he wishes to "help" collectors... so long as HE collects HIS 700% profit. Gee, what a swell guy.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Well, I guess that making a whopping $10 profit on a figure I paid $30 for constitutes a 700% profit?? Last time I added, it was a 25% profit??
hmmm. Let me set your mind straight here prag.
I'm a collector NOT a dealer. I collect Vintage and modern.When I sell anything (modern or Vintage) to friends I sell it for pretty much what I paid for it.Do I make a profit (albeit a small one) usually.That small profit usually helps offset the costs of buying other items for my collection.THAT is how most collectors build a nice collection.
I forgot to answer one of your little points in your earlier post, on if the only way I place value on an item in my collection is if someone else doesn't have it? No , that's not how I determine the value (or aesthetic worth) of any piece in my collection. BUT I don't want to have an exact cookie cutter replica of one of my friends collections.I think that makes the hobby borring and stagnate if everyone has the exact same collection. A LOT of my friends have completely different focus' to thier collections than mine. It makes it more fun to check out thier collections and how they're displayed, when you know you aren't going to see the exact same stuff that you have in your toy room.(or on the walmart shelf)

Cheers
Joseph

Matt_Carroll
06-10-2002, 11:52 PM
Let's settle down a bit here folks. No matter how limited this figure is, in the end, it is only a toy.

If you feel the need to continue the name-calling and such, please take it to email. Thanks images/icons/smile.gif

Bill_McBride
06-11-2002, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by fumetti:
[QB] Sorry, baby-kins.[QB]<font size="2" face="arial">LMAO... hey Joe, I think he got you there. "Baby-Kins" just fits you SO well images/icons/wink.gif (actually I am kidding, "Baby Kins" is my new pet name for John A. or Ron.... depending on who gets in the chat first)


But *****s like you keep reaffirming the true Dark Side to any human venture.

[QB]<font size="2" face="arial">Hey Einstein...it takes two to tango, so this would be a non-issue if no one was SCALPING their figures right at the show. (Yes, I too was shocked by the number of collector-turned-scalpers who were at C2.. kinda gave me a cold chill to see all that spontaneous capitalism.....brrrrrr) But...I have to agree with Joe. It didn't take much more intelligence than your average onion headed, no-shoe Banjo Picker to see that paying someone else $20 for a Jorg Sacul figure was a good move for three basic reasons: 1) I HATE waiting in long lines 2) I was 100% assured of getting a figure 3) It allowed me to spend more time actually doing something at the show, then smelling the bad B.O. from the unwashed heathens that were standing in line.(anyone who finds the latter offensive needs to spend more time in the shower, than reading NG threads images/icons/wink.gif )

And in regard to your pathetic analogy: in the case of being a "*****" Joe (aka. "Baby-Kins") would have actually been the "John" in your scenario, with the collector-turned-scalpers being the "*****s" (ie. the payor and the payee respectively) You aren't related to ALF are you ?

Bill ~(who really wants to be given the nick name of "The Phantom Menace" for his stealth-like ability to produce death-dealing farts, and leave the scene unnoticed) images/icons/tongue.gif

Jason_Coulston
06-11-2002, 12:23 AM
Joe a "baby-kins"? That's rich. I could probably come up with a few nicknames for Joe, and this certainly would NOT be one of them! LOL!

GNT
06-11-2002, 01:24 AM
"Plenty" of Jorg Sacul figures created? If that's the case, then why did THOUSANDS of disappointed fans leave the convention empty handed?<font size="2" face="arial">There was said to be 26 000 George Sacul figures I believe now lets say each person in line got 2 that would be 13 000 people got the figure,now from what I've hard there was 40 or so thousand there on one day? So I'm pretty sure there were alot of angry fans.

Bill_McBride
06-11-2002, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by John J. Alvarez:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="arial">Originally posted by Chris Maybury:
I'm sooo glad that there's a lot of diversity in the vintage portion of the hobby, If I had to look at jack offs like you as my contemporaries, I'd quit the hobby too.

This has got to be one of the funniest things I have ever read!<font size="2" face="arial">Nah Chris, Jason's right "Crouching idiot, hidden *******" is the funniest I've seen. I still laugh when I see that.

John</font>[/QUOTE]<font size="2" face="arial">You guys are too kind. But really... how can I take credit for such a funny line when we are in such a "target rich environment" images/icons/wink.gif

Bill

~for the record: I have been getting more laughs just thinking about calling Joe "Baby-Kins" the next time I see him

Jason_Coulston
06-11-2002, 06:31 PM
I seriously think we should call Joe that from now on. That's the best thing I've heard since ALF went on a rampage yelling "fool and his money, fool and his money".

The funniest thing about it is that Joe definitely does NOT look like a "baby-kins". That name fits so improperly it's ridiculous.

06-11-2002, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Bounty Hunter GNT:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="arial">"Plenty" of Jorg Sacul figures created? If that's the case, then why did THOUSANDS of disappointed fans leave the convention empty handed?<font size="2" face="arial">There was said to be 26 000 George Sacul figures I believe now lets say each person in line got 2 that would be 13 000 people got the figure,now from what I've hard there was 40 or so thousand there on one day? So I'm pretty sure there were alot of angry fans.</font>[/QUOTE]<font size="2" face="arial">I'm so pleased that someone else got to this before I did. WotC estimated attendance at 24,000 for the weekend, and there were over 70,000 that came through the doors. Doesn't matter if you had done an "over-print" on the figure, the attendance was well over anything that was expected.

I'm sorry, but I got mine. I waited in line on Sunday morning (the first/only chance I had to do this) and bought my figures. I've sold one of them, to a customer of mine at my shop, the other is sitting on my desk right now, and will stay there. I wanted to see some other things at C2, but I never had the chance. Be happy that you did have that chance.

I do think that some lessons were learned from this show, maybe some of the same people will still be around to make sure that those lessons are applied to C3. I'm not betting on it though.

jeff

wooten
06-12-2002, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by fumetti:
[QUOTE]Woohoo!!! Gotcha! The dog that barks is the dog that got HIT!

So you know you're a parasite on the hobby but you're too thin-skinned to be criticized for it!!! Sorry, baby-kins.

Sure, I'd have saved time and paid $20 for a figure as buyers were leaving the door, if I'd known about that practice BEFORE they shut the line down. Despite my typically cynical nature, I prefer to think most fans stood in lines to buy and keep the exclusives, not sell them within seconds. But *****s like you keep reaffirming the true Dark Side to any human venture.

Hey, b*tching is free. Most importantly, dill-holes like you don't have my $70 (I might consider paying Hasbro $70, but NEVER to scumsuckers like you). All you've gotten out of me is an ear full. And from your post, you ain't happy about it. So THAT makes me happy, and it didn't cost me a dime!

Talk about SHALLOW. The only way you can value your collection is whether you have something somebody ELSE doesn't have?

Is your d*ck so small you have to compensate by hoarding exclusive TOYS???

(Note: These are action figures, not strap-ons. You're dealing in the wrong plastics for what you really need.)<font size="2" face="arial">So, in other words, you don't have a good, logical response to his post.

-John

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-12-2002, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by wooten:
So, in other words, you don't have a good, logical response to his post.

-John[/QB]<font size="2" face="arial">I gave your post precisely the response it deserved.

If you want better, then provide more to work with.

wooten
06-12-2002, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by fumetti:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="arial">Originally posted by wooten:
So, in other words, you don't have a good, logical response to his post.

-John<font size="2" face="arial">I gave your post precisely the response it deserved.

If you want better, then provide more to work with.[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]<font size="2" face="arial">uh..ok..this was my first post to the thread....

Very interesting, read, though. It's always funny to see someone choke when they run out ways to avoid offering a counterpoint.

-John

Jason_Coulston
06-12-2002, 02:21 PM
I really wish these message boards had an archiving system like the old newsgroups. For posterity's sake, we really need to save these great responses from guys like fumetti and ALF. They're the best ever. I think they're even better than old-school guys that used to lurk in the newsgroups. This "Celebartion 2" thread is the best thing that Rebelscum.com ever did. Look at how much hilarity has ensued!

Jedi_Turok
06-13-2002, 12:20 AM
Too much drama here....

Anyways, one thing I did before going to c2 was to mentally prepare myself for the major mas of sw fans attending the show.

I knew that any figure, t-shirt, napkin, pin, comic, poster, lego, etc, would be hard to come by if I did not act early. Therefore as much as it killed me I got up early, early everyday of the show and scored! I did not get my lucas figs till Sunday. The free sw swag in the vedor area was great! The book give away was a novel idea.

I did see many fans empty handed. I actually gave away some items to fans in the back of the line.
It's great to see happy faces....

I was able to attend some of the shows too, but I have to say waiting in line 2+ hrs to see a 20min show was crazy. However, whoever brought the sw trival pursuit questions in line to see bounty hunters I salute you!

Looking forward to C3! images/icons/smile.gif

JosephY
06-13-2002, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by fumetti:
[/QB]<font size="2" face="arial">I gave your post precisely the response it deserved.

If you want better, then provide more to work with.[/QB][/QUOTE]

I think I've posed more than enough questions for you to respond to that you've chosen not to, if you read my responses to your last childish outburst. But the most important one is still: OTHER than b*tching,WHAT have YOU done for the overall good of the hobby?? OR even for the good of ANY other collector???(other than entertain us with your ignorance) Until you have an actual answer to this, you have NO right to blast the integrity of ANY collector OR dealer on this board.

Cheers
Joseph

JosephY
06-13-2002, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by Jason Coulston:
I really wish these message boards had an archiving system like the old newsgroups. For posterity's sake, we really need to save these great responses from guys like fumetti and ALF. They're the best ever. I think they're even better than old-school guys that used to lurk in the newsgroups. This "Celebartion 2" thread is the best thing that Rebelscum.com ever did. Look at how much hilarity has ensued!<font size="2" face="arial">You just like the fact that he called me Baby-Kins images/icons/tongue.gif I should post a pic to see if ANYONE thinks that one suits me....lol

Cheers
Joseph

Jason_Coulston
06-13-2002, 01:21 AM
Here's "Baby-Kins":

http://www.evolutionbodypiercing.com/staff/joe.gif

Sorry Joseph. I hope you don't mind. I just wanted the world to understand what a "baby-kins" looks like! images/icons/grin.gif

[ 06-13-2002, 01:22 AM: Message edited by: Jason Coulston ]

JesseJames
06-13-2002, 03:21 AM
Well, he's bald like an infant... There's some validity to that.

JosephY
06-13-2002, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Jason Coulston:
Here's "Baby-Kins":

http://www.evolutionbodypiercing.com/staff/joe.gif

Sorry Joseph. I hope you don't mind. I just wanted the world to understand what a "baby-kins" looks like! images/icons/grin.gif <font size="2" face="arial">No problem, At least now Fumetti will know who to confront at Cel3 or any toy show of his choosing (yeah right, as if,he would have the ***** to say anything to my face images/icons/grin.gif )

Cheers
Joseph

swjunkie808
06-13-2002, 01:24 PM
OOOOHHHH this is very exciting for me. A post that has philosophy, economics, political science.

Now here is the deal as I see it.
Scalpers suck its true, and they can be very smarmy and f%^k-headish. But as the original dealer presented it is just part of capitalism. They are capitalists you cant expect this one buisness to be different unless you support reforms far reaching into America's economies, (not that I am saying that this would be a bad thing).

One person said that people with consciences desire reform on buisness. The same person I believe said that they would pay hasbro 70 bucks for the figure but not the scalper. Those 2 sentiments competely contradict eachother and I couldnt disagree more with the latter. True the scalper might be an *sshole, but at least he/she is your local mom & pop *sshole.

Hasbro is a bigger evil then all of the scalpers put together in this world. They might all do the same if they were in HAsbro's position as might us all, but none of us are.

Have you ever noticed the little "made in China" (or whatever 3rd world country) label on the packages? What do you think that means? It most likely means that there are a lot of people somewhere where HAsbro's domestic factories used to be, who now have to accept minimum wage at Walmart, and that right now there are teenage girls working factories to produce our toys...

I think that Hasbro is the one getting the best deal (aside from Lucas himself) in all of this. There are a couple of people who make this tthing their buisness, but that doesnt make them bad like the forces truly taking advantage of us, a bunch of dumassed collectors willing to pay 4.99, 5.99,6.99 for about 13 cents worth of plastic and 6 cents worth of labor... Oh yeah and the CEO's big fat obnoxious salary.

All I am trying to say is that people who want to figure out the evil in toy collecting are looking at the wrong places. Scalpers only represent a small amount of it. Maybe if Hasbro had accounts with smaller stores and charged them the same prices for the toys as HUGE accounts like Target and Walmart, then they could make better profits off of selling figures at list price instead of having to create and manipulate the secondary market so much.

Two things important to economists when figuring out policy... efficiency (economic efficiency) and equity. Now unchecked capitalism might lead to what seems like unbounded economic efficiency. But it really just leasts to limitless inequity because people have too pay too much for their goods. Not to mention the bigger corporations are much bigger welfare mommas then the single mom who needs the check to buy milk for her baby.

In other words, in order for equity people have to forsake some economic efficiency. I dont see that happening, nor do I see Congress trying to regulate the secondary market on toys. I guess we are all stuck paying scalpers prices, unless of course you start a movement around consumer justice, aimed at toy dealers and manufacturers.
I just wish that WOTC would have worked harder to prevent scalpers from picking up so many of those figures (a bit of self regulation as it were)

06-16-2002, 03:54 AM
You scalpers think you are all doing us a great thing by selling jorg for $100.00. well your not.
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blimpyboy
06-16-2002, 07:37 PM
I was just watching this thread quietly, as I did not go to Celebration 2 nor do I have a Sacul figure. However, I just want to comment how stupid some of the arguments for the dealers are.

First of all, everyone who went to the convention should be entitled to a figure. I didn't go, so I don't think I deserve one. But if anyone forked over the time and cash and planning to be able to attend, everyone deserves an equal chance.

Second of all, you dealers do not deserve any special chance to get a figure. You are there supposedly to make a profit, not to enjoy the attractions. That's your own decision; you had to choose between attending to make a profit and attending as a fan.

Thirdly, this argument that dealers overcharging for Sacul figures is OK because of capitalism is so incredibly flawed I don't know where to begin. Yes, capitalism is a good thing, and everyone should be able to spend their money how they want to, but it can be manipulated to be bad. Just like you dealers did at the show (or so I hear from this thread) and people are doing on eBay just now. I see many sellers auctioning many more than 2 Sacul figures at the same time. Even though capitalism is good, the way dealers used it to hoard and scalp Saculs is incredibly selfish and just plain wrong.

Finally, I can't believe some of you think that fans at the end of the figure lines should have asked passersby if they wanted to sell them their extra figures. Now who the hell would want to do that? Anyone who did this probably annoyed the hell out of fans with Sacul figures asking them for their extras. I would feel like such a weasel doing this, and I don't know how some of you say this is OK. It's not; it's sleazy, it's unnecessary, and it's stupid.

There is no way anyone can justify disappointed attendees who didn't get figures. I don't care what logic you use; WOTC should have found a better way to enforce the limits, and scalpers should not have been there only thinking of themselves and disappointing true collectors who just wanted one or two Saculs at reasonable prices.

[ 06-16-2002, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: blimpyboy ]

Julian
06-17-2002, 06:42 AM
Wow! Such vitriol and abuse over a toy! (A poorly executed toy for that matter).

It seems to me that the problem was neither WOTC nor the dealers, but the so-called "fans" who lined up again and again to get them, then sold them on to dealers. Perhaps WOTC should have done more to ensure 1 figure per person, but maybe they didn't realise just how greedy Star Wars fans could be. I was thinking of taking the trip over to the US for Celebration III (if it happens), but if this is the sort of malice and spite that is created by this event, I'll stick to the quiet, parochial cons here in the UK.

One more thing, I'd just like to point out the excellent use of the word "despicable" by Fumetti. Now, I just can't help thinking of him as Daffy Duck, which might help some of you temper your replies to him. images/icons/wink.gif

TEAMRICO
06-17-2002, 01:37 PM
BLAH BLAH BLAH...I got mine in a trade...BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.....

floppy_hat_jon
06-18-2002, 08:57 AM
I've never been so embarrassed to be a SW collector as I am reading this thread. Good job.

So, just to add to the madness ...

baby-kins-********, work on your math skills, chief. $10 is a 33% profit on a $30 purchase. Here's how we do percents, everyone:

(10/30)X100 = 33.333333333333333333333333

Carry on.

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-18-2002, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by swjunkie808:
One person said that people with consciences desire reform on buisness. The same person I believe said that they would pay hasbro 70 bucks for the figure but not the scalper. Those 2 sentiments competely contradict eachother and I couldnt disagree more with the latter. True the scalper might be an *sshole, but at least he/she is your local mom & pop *sshole.<font size="2" face="arial">That's not what I was saying. I was saying that I'd rather the money stay within the manufacturer-retailer-consumer chain than go to an outside middle-man horning into the process. (I thought $10 for Sacul was "overpaying".) Neither Lucas, nor Hasbro, nor the collector benefits by giving intervening pirates a "cut" of the money. IF, and that's only an "if", I were to overpay to have a collectible, it's better for ME, the collector, to fatten the coffers of Lucas (to ecourage more overall SW licensing) or Hasbro (to encourage more SW figure production) than to fatten the coffers of scalpers--which only encourages them to pre-empt even more retail sales. Scalping is really only profitable to the scalper, just like being a PARASITE on the butt of a buffalo.

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-18-2002, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Julian:
Wow! Such vitriol and abuse over a toy! (A poorly executed toy for that matter).

It seems to me that the problem was neither WOTC nor the dealers, but the so-called "fans" who lined up again and again to get them, then sold them on to dealers. Perhaps WOTC should have done more to ensure 1 figure per person, but maybe they didn't realise just how greedy Star Wars fans could be. I was thinking of taking the trip over to the US for Celebration III (if it happens), but if this is the sort of malice and spite that is created by this event, I'll stick to the quiet, parochial cons here in the UK.

One more thing, I'd just like to point out the excellent use of the word "despicable" by Fumetti. Now, I just can't help thinking of him as Daffy Duck, which might help some of you temper your replies to him. images/icons/wink.gif <font size="2" face="arial">Ththe thtar warth thtunkiethhhh...

Oh wait. In English...

The SW junkies who rush to scalpers when they can't find the new wave the day it comes out are EQUALLY culpable in this process. So absolutely voracious in their obsession, they can't wait the extra days or weeks to find the newly released goods. It is their insatiable demand which creates the market for scalpers.

These are the people who rushed to eBay to pay $15 (more like $20 with postage) for a Bespin Vader which, in some parts at least, can now somewhat easily be found on shelves for $5.

If this practice only hurt the impatient collector, I wouldn't care. It's his/her money. But this encourages the scalper to scour the Wal-Marts, etc., day and night (or more despicably, to work out secret deals with employees) to snatch up everything but peg-warmers. And that affects/hurts everybody.

What a scalper is, is somebody who buys from the same source that the end consumer (you, the collector) does, and then sets him/herself up as an unofficial intermediary. This means YOU, the collector, must pay out the $5 Wal-Mart retail cost, PLUS and additional amount (sometimes 2-4x the retail cost) just because THEY got to the store before YOU did. (This description does NOT apply to buying cases of figures wholesale and selling them individually--that's participating in the legitimate chain of sale.)

Buyers should keep all this in mind the next time they rush to a scalper the day after a wave is released.

It's impossible to solve a problem if you're intentionally contributing to it.

JohnA
06-18-2002, 09:43 PM
You really do have anger issues fumetti. You have attacked Joe (jyx1138), attacked Rob (semsfir), and attacked other collectors for opinion. You were confronted w/ sensible replys and you flew off the handle. You have been warned by moderators (Dax in particular) and even had threads shut down because of your anger. (remember anger leads to the dark side of collecting) images/icons/wink.gif Please do yourself and everyone around you a favor and take it down a notch. It is only a toy, and I have said it before but I almost feel like giving you mine just so you will drop this crusade. Relax. You will get a lot more out of the hobby when you learn to make friends and try to get what you want instead of griping about it. It really can be a fun hobby if you let it.

John

JohnA
06-18-2002, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by floppy hat jon:
baby-kins-********, work on your math skills, chief. $10 is a 33% profit on a $30 purchase. Here's how we do percents, everyone:

(10/30)X100 = 33.333333333333333333333333

Carry on.<font size="2" face="arial">Ummmm...
How about the hundreds baby-kins spent on a room, flight, and 3 day pass. We all dropped a bundle going to C2. Even w/ his $10 profit I would say he is still at -1500% That in my book is not a profit.

John

JosephY
06-18-2002, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by floppy hat jon:
I've never been so embarrassed to be a SW collector as I am reading this thread. Good job.

So, just to add to the madness ...

baby-kins-********, work on your math skills, chief. $10 is a 33% profit on a $30 purchase. Here's how we do percents, everyone:

(10/30)X100 = 33.333333333333333333333333

Carry on.<font size="2" face="arial">OOOOPS, sorry that my math was off on that. I'm not used to making profit on new SW figures images/icons/grin.gif , so my outrage at FUmetti,and his baseless accusations clouded my judgment. I assure you it won't happen again images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Cheers
Joseph

[ 06-18-2002, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: JYX1138 ]

JosephY
06-18-2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by John J. Alvarez:
You really do have anger issues fumetti. You have attacked Joe (jyx1138), attacked Rob (semsfir), and attacked other collectors for opinion. You were confronted w/ sensible replys and you flew off the handle. You have been warned by moderators (Dax in particular) and even had threads shut down because of your anger. (remember anger leads to the dark side of collecting) images/icons/wink.gif Please do yourself and everyone around you a favor and take it down a notch. It is only a toy, and I have said it before but I almost feel like giving you mine just so you will drop this crusade. Relax. You will get a lot more out of the hobby when you learn to make friends and try to get what you want instead of griping about it. It really can be a fun hobby if you let it.

John<font size="2" face="arial">Hey John,
You could really help me p!ss him off and sell me yours images/icons/wink.gif . I'll put it on Ebay w/a $200 BIN, just to anger the troll further. images/icons/mad.gif LOL!! I know no one is stupid or desperate enough to pay $200 for a silly Sacul, but it'd be worth the Ebay listing fee just to annoy our poor wittwe Fagetti that can't afford one images/icons/frown.gif

Cheers
Joseph

JosephY
06-18-2002, 10:35 PM
::::Disclaimer:::: The use of the word *** in my last post(Fagetti) was not meant in any detrimental way to any members of the SW community that may live an alternative lifestyle. It was mearly put in as a slag on my favorite RSF troll. images/icons/grin.gif

Cheers
Joseph

[ 06-18-2002, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: JYX1138 ]

Jedi_Idej
06-18-2002, 11:42 PM
Is it true that, as part of the signed agreement, dealers weren't allowed to transact Saculs on the secondary market while on the C2 premises?

Bounty_Hunter_XP
06-19-2002, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by John J. Alvarez:
You really do have anger issues fumetti. You have attacked Joe (jyx1138), attacked Rob (semsfir), and attacked other collectors for opinion. You were confronted w/ sensible replys and you flew off the handle. You have been warned by moderators (Dax in particular) and even had threads shut down because of your anger. (remember anger leads to the dark side of collecting) images/icons/wink.gif Please do yourself and everyone around you a favor and take it down a notch. It is only a toy, and I have said it before but I almost feel like giving you mine just so you will drop this crusade. Relax. You will get a lot more out of the hobby when you learn to make friends and try to get what you want instead of griping about it. It really can be a fun hobby if you let it.

John<font size="2" face="arial">My post which precedes yours is very mellow in it's tone, so I hope you're talking about other posts. I laid off the caps and punctuation so you guys wouldn't think I was yelling (actually, I use them to convey voice inflection). However, I cannot control what you or others read INTO my posts (there I go with those inflections again...oh well).

Further, I attacked NO ONE. I did NOT address any individual in particular--only the Convention situation and the practice/principles of profiteering in GENERAL. Others took exception to my argument and FLAMED ME as if I spoke to them directly. I'm sorry they have such thin skins, and perhaps even a guilty conscience, but there's nothing I can do about that. A look back through this thread will show that any flaming coming FROM me (to an individual) was in SELF DEFENSE to flaming done TO me.

As for another thread, it was "Joe" and "Rob" who came chasing after me. I had originally left this thread because I'd said what I had to say (note that I have not addressed them since my return). The thread was closed down after ROB continued to flame after the moderator issued his warning. My only post after the warning was: "whatever"--which could only reasonably be interpreted as "I'm not arguing with you anymore." If the moderator shut down the thread because of my simple dismissal instead of "Rob"s continued vitriol, then I cannot fathom his reasoning.

And I find it curious that *I* have been singled out for recrimination. I am not the first flamer on these boards, nor am I the first to flame scalpers in specific. I can only guess that my words sting more deeply than "dealers suck". Perhaps it's because I cut to the very heart of the matter, and such an expose could--if widely agreed with--begin to cut into certain people's profits. For whatever reason, there are many, many flames being shot at me and there's not a single piece of evidence or argument that can disprove what I've said. If it is indeed just "opinion" as you say, then why is MY opinion so dangerous that it must be so vehemently squelched? I guess the truth is dangerous for some people....but it's STILL the truth.

As for this and other threads, I will continue to defend myself in the manner by which I'm attacked. If the moderators wish to single me out and ban me to censor me and allow them their continued behavior, that's their decision. I can't control that. But shutting me up won't bring the collecting world justice, it will just make future injustices easier to happen.

JosephY
06-19-2002, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by fumetti:
[/qb]<font size="2" face="arial">&gt;As for another thread, it was "Joe" and "Rob" &gt;who came chasing after me. I had originally &gt;left this thread because I'd said what I had to &gt;say (note that I have not addressed them since &gt;my return). &lt;snip&gt;

I far from chased after you I just posted a response in another thread, which you just happened to be running towards to avoid answering
my question of : Other than complain,What have YOU ever done to benefit the SW community OR another collector? You accuse ME of profitering and scalping.First of all I never knew you could scalp prototypes OR vintage (the 2 main things I collect). As far as profitering? I'd hardly call occasionally selling off prototypes or vintage pieces that I've upgraded a punishable offense.I guess I'll have to wear the scarlet "S" based on your uneducated opinion.

You claim to have NEVER bought an extra of a hard to find figure to help out a friend that was looking for it. That's sad, I've helped many local collectors that I'm friends with (and they've helped me) by sharing our want lists and looking out for the figures that the others need as well as what we need for ourselves. I'd hardly call that "greedy" or profitering. Hell,I've sold prototypes to FRIENDS at my cost, just to make sure they've gone to worthy collectors. You REALLY need to learn about the people you're slandering before you open your mouth.

Robert who you seem to have also developed a liking for, has always been one of the nicest collectors I know, too nice at times, when it comes to foregoing the potential to make money in/on this hobby.

&gt;andI find it curious that *I* have been singled &gt;t for recrimination. I am not the first flamer on these boards, nor am I the first to flame scalpers in specific. I can only guess that my words sting more deeply than "dealers suck". Perhaps it's because I cut to the very heart of the matter, and such an expose could--if widely agreed with--begin to cut into certain people's profits. For whatever reason, there are many, many flames being shot at me and there's not a single piece of evidence or argument that can disprove what I've said. If it is indeed just "opinion" as you say, then why is MY opinion so dangerous that it must be so vehemently squelched? I guess the truth is dangerous for some people....but it's STILL the truth.

As for this and other threads, I will continue to defend myself in the manner by which I'm attacked. If the moderators wish to single me out and ban me to censor me and allow them their continued behavior, that's their decision. I can't control that. But shutting me up won't bring the collecting world justice, it will just make future injustices easier to happen.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Another question that I'm sure you'll choose to ignore: Have you ever actually stopped an injustice in the hobby?? Have you EVER kept someone from getting ripped off, Until you REALLY have,Keep your armchair ideals to yourself and take that Red Herring" buzz word of scalper and shove it up your *****.If you really knew the difference between a toy scalper and a "true collector" as you like to call it, you'd be begging for forgivness from Rob.I personally could care less about the likes of you, you'll never contribute anything usefull to this hobby, or another collector, and do you know why?it's because you're the one that's greedy. You reek of negativity. I'd bet if you HAD posted a want post on the buy/sell/trade/ portion of the site,a like minded collector would ahve helped you out and sold you a Sacul for less than the "market" price. Hell, you might have even made a friend of that person, but NO, you choose to complain and alienate yourself from the majority of the collectors on this board.

Cheers
Joseph

Sems_Fir
06-19-2002, 07:26 PM
fumetti wrote:
"As for another thread, it was "Joe" and "Rob" who came chasing after me".
This is getting uncontrolable. I was in no way chasing you into another forum section, you just feel "insecure". Like you, I was responding to the post. You just happen to have written the post I was responding to for that topic.
fumetti wrote:
"Further, I attacked NO ONE. I did NOT address any individual in particular".
Can I point you to the first page of this thread and my first point as a reference point.
"No doubt YOU think there were plenty--you didn't even bother to show up and got one!"
The "you" you (fumetti) reference was in direct response to my reply to the thread. I did not mention anyone and stated so:
Sems Fir wrote:
"One way to solve problems at Hasbro is to send them a job resume and perhaps get a job interview. I'm not singling out any collector in the hobby with the previous sentence. All I am suggesting is that if a collector has issues with Hasbro try to work for the company. Many men and women work hard to produce toys for everyone to enjoy. If a collector thinks they can do better then I would suggest filling out a job application to the company to help fix the problems. Was the distribution of the exclusive figure poor? Every collector has an opinion on that subject".
Yes, I agree you are offering your opinion on the subject. But this line which you clearly wrote in this thread is a prime example why Joe and I responded.
fumetti wrote:
"Further, I attacked NO ONE. I did NOT address any individual in particular".
How can you answer with that reply when you clearly wrote these examples in this very thread.
fumetti wrote:
"You c*cks*ckers aren't worth any niceties". or this one:
fumetti wrote:
Is your d*ck so small you have to compensate by hoarding exclusive TOYS???
(Note: These are action figures, not strap-ons. You're dealing in the wrong plastics for what you really need.)".
Not once in any post I have ever wrote in these forums have I used the vulgar language that you seem to use as common everyday babble. This is a public forum and children could be reading this very thread.
The only "flaming" done was actually done by yourself. I was using your own words you wrote against you and you seemed to get upset calling it flaming. You were flaming yourself, as I was only your own words in that thread.
fumetti wrote:
"As for this and other threads, I will continue to defend myself in the manner by which I'm attacked"
The latest classic line from you. Did I attack you with the wonderful asterisk language? No, I did not. I realize the above slander comments were pointed to another poster, but still that's out of line. I guess I'm a mind reader now with this line:
fumetti wrote:
"My only post after the warning was: "whatever"--which could only reasonably be interpreted as "I'm not arguing with you anymore."
Ok, you are not going to argue anymore. State it in clear words. Not with "whatever".
I will say that I do know people who work or have worked for Kenner/Hasbro. They are friends and I take exception to complaints about them when some of them just aren't justified. Hence, my mention to apply for a job at Hasbro and help input changes to better the Star Wars brand toy line for everyone.
As for atttacking Joe and myself as "scalpers" and "guilty profiteers" and that we are not "real collectors". Since you don't know us, have never met us, and never have had any dealings with us, you can't use any one of those three terms as reference to Joe, or myself.
Joe was right. He stated "that you started to flame caring collectors, and now you are trying to dig your way out". Now that's "STILL THE TRUTH"!

Robert (this thread really should be closed now as it's totally off topic)

JosephY
06-19-2002, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by JYX1138:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="arial">Originally posted by fumetti:
<font size="2" face="arial">&gt;As for another thread, it was "Joe" and "Rob" &gt;who came chasing after me. I had originally &gt;left this thread because I'd said what I had to &gt;say (note that I have not addressed them since &gt;my return). &lt;snip&gt;

JYX writes:
I far from chased after you I just posted a response in another thread, which you just happened to be running towards to avoid answering
my question of : Other than complain,What have YOU ever done to benefit the SW community OR another collector? You accuse ME of profitering and scalping.First of all I never knew you could scalp prototypes OR vintage (the 2 main things I collect). As far as profitering? I'd hardly call occasionally selling off prototypes or vintage pieces that I've upgraded a punishable offense.I guess I'll have to wear the scarlet "S" based on your uneducated opinion.

You claim to have NEVER bought an extra of a hard to find figure to help out a friend that was looking for it. That's sad, I've helped many local collectors that I'm friends with (and they've helped me) by sharing our want lists and looking out for the figures that the others need as well as what we need for ourselves. I'd hardly call that "greedy" or profitering. Hell,I've sold prototypes to FRIENDS at my cost, just to make sure they've gone to worthy collectors. You REALLY need to learn about the people you're slandering before you open your mouth.

Robert who you seem to have also developed a liking for, has always been one of the nicest collectors I know, too nice at times, when it comes to foregoing the potential to make money in/on this hobby.

FUmetti writes:
&gt;andI find it curious that *I* have been singled &gt;t for recrimination. I am not the first flamer on these boards, nor am I the first to flame scalpers in specific. I can only guess that my words sting more deeply than "dealers suck". Perhaps it's because I cut to the very heart of the matter, and such an expose could--if widely agreed with--begin to cut into certain people's profits. For whatever reason, there are many, many flames being shot at me and there's not a single piece of evidence or argument that can disprove what I've said. If it is indeed just "opinion" as you say, then why is MY opinion so dangerous that it must be so vehemently squelched? I guess the truth is dangerous for some people....but it's STILL the truth.

As for this and other threads, I will continue to defend myself in the manner by which I'm attacked. If the moderators wish to single me out and ban me to censor me and allow them their continued behavior, that's their decision. I can't control that. But shutting me up won't bring the collecting world justice, it will just make future injustices easier to happen.[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]<font size="2" face="arial">JYX writes:
Another question that I'm sure you'll choose to ignore: Have you ever actually stopped an injustice in the hobby?? Have you EVER kept someone from getting ripped off, Until you REALLY have,Keep your armchair ideals to yourself and take that Red Herring" buzz word of scalper and shove it up your *****.If you really knew the difference between a toy scalper and a "true collector" as you like to call it, you'd be begging for forgiveness from Rob.I personally could care less about the likes of you, you'll never contribute anything usefull to this hobby, or another collector, and do you know why? It's because you're the one that's greedy. You reek of negativity,pure and simple. I'd bet if you HAD posted a want post on the buy/sell/trade/ portion of the site,a like minded collector would have helped you out and sold you a Sacul for less than the "market" price. Hell, you might have even made a friend of that person, but NO, you choose to complain/flame and alienate yourself from the majority of the collectors on this board.

Cheers
Joseph[/QB][/QUOTE]

JosephY
06-19-2002, 08:01 PM
sorry about the double post there! I went back into it to clean up some of my sloppy typos and it posted it 2x....oops

Cheers
Joseph

06-21-2002, 06:22 AM
I guess some people still believe that they will find a Sacul on shelves and that is why they refuse to buy one off of Ebay.

Its all about money and the person with the most is the winner. If you are the winner then pick your prize, you can have as many prizes as you want. There isn't even just one winner there are millions of winners. But guess what there are not millions of Saculs. So what happens when multiple people pick the same prize, the highest winner wins his prize.

If I had $50 dollars to spend on a figure, I'd buy a Sacul, but there are lots of cheaper figures that I also need, and am working hard to find. I never cry because I can't find a toy, I just work harder. E-Bay is my online friend. I live in a small town and it is worthless to go to stores in my town because there is only one, which has the worst selection ever. Sometimes I'll stop by to check it they have something new about once a month.

People are calling Sacul sellers scalpers. Last time I checked a scalper is a person who sells a legal item illegaly. If these people are buying the item for the same amount or more as anyone else can then what is the big deal. If these people are hunting down figures so they can make money, then they must have worked harder for them. Asking workers when they recieve shipments and what case numbers are being ordered is not illegal, its called doing your homework. Yes it is sad when the only Yoda and Hanger Duel Anakin I ever saw was on the 23rd, and I have yet to see a single Dooku in stores, but I see plenty on Ebay. Face it, Ebay is just another store where price goes up on demand. Do you think Hasbro wouldn't raise the price on figures occurding to demand if they could?

Complaing about what people are willing to pay for a Sacul on Ebay is just like complaining about why someone would buy a computer today, tommorrow, or any date in the past, because they they will always make a better one at a lower price, so why not just wait another week.

I guess people who bought figures on the 23rd were just as bad as people who buy them on Ebay occurding to some of you. Why pay $7 a figure when I'll be able to find them cheaper after the movie is out, or when they go on clearance. Occurding to you anyone who ever bought any star wars figure for intial retail price is a horrible person who is a scalper.

[ 06-21-2002, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: rynobot ]

06-21-2002, 09:20 PM
Second of all, you dealers do not deserve any special chance to get a figure. You are there supposedly to make a profit, not to enjoy the attractions. That's your own decision; you had to choose between attending to make a profit and attending as a fan.
THAT IS TRUE THAT IS WHY I HAD A HUGE BUYING SIGN AT THE BOOTH THAT COST ME $1400 TO GET FOR THE SHOW.

Thirdly, this argument that dealers overcharging for Sacul figures is OK because of capitalism is so incredibly flawed I don't know where to begin. Yes, capitalism is a good thing, and everyone should be able to spend their money how they want to, but it can be manipulated to be bad. Just like you dealers did at the show (or so I hear from this thread) and people are doing on eBay just now. I see many sellers auctioning many more than 2 Sacul figures at the same time. Even though capitalism is good, the way dealers used it to hoard and scalp Saculs is incredibly selfish and just plain wrong.YOU ARE EXTREMELY NIAVE MY FRIEND!!!!LOOK BOTTOM LINE IS THIS. IF WALMART COULD SELL SODA FOR $3.00 A CAN THEY WOULD. EVERYONE GETS EVERY PENNY THEY CAN AND NOT A PENNY LESS.YOUR MORNING PAPER FOR $0.50 IF THEY COULD MAKE MORE MONEY BY CHARGING $0.75 THEY WOULD. The only reason it isn't $0.75 is because they would lose more suscribers than they would gain in revenue. ALL American business is based on Maximizing profits. NOT MAKE A LITTLE PROFIT! Maximizing profits and unless you work for the goverment the company you work for does the same or they probably will not be in business long or they are a small business. Do not think that retail stores like toys r us are any different. If toys r us could charge you more for YODA and knew you would buy it YOU WOULD be paying more for yoda. THE COST to have someone price differentiate would be higher than the added revenue so they do not do that. THat is the only reason why.

I LIKE THE GUY WHO WROTE THIS
Its all about money and the person with the most is the winner. If you are the winner then pick your prize, you can have as many prizes as you want. There isn't even just one winner there are millions of winners. But guess what there are not millions of Saculs. So what happens when multiple people pick the same prize, the highest winner wins his prize.
People are calling Sacul sellers scalpers. Last time I checked a scalper is a person who sells a legal item illegaly. If these people are buying the item for the same amount or more as anyone else can then what is the big deal. If these people are hunting down figures so they can make money, then they must have worked harder for them. Asking workers when they recieve shipments and what case numbers are being ordered is not illegal, its called doing your homework. Yes it is sad when the only Yoda and Hanger Duel Anakin I ever saw was on the 23rd, and I have yet to see a single Dooku in stores, but I see plenty on Ebay. Face it, Ebay is just another store where price goes up on demand. Do you think Hasbro wouldn't raise the price on figures occurding to demand if they could?
WELL THANK EVERYONE FOR THIER IMPUT ON MY POST. I DID NOT THINK I WOULD GET THIS MUCH ATTENTION.
ONE LAST NOTE: Do not let anyone tell you that they went to the show and did not get a figure. I WAS THERE. They did not sell out until 1 or 2pm on Friday. Saturday you also had ample opportunity albiet not all day to get a figure. SUNDAY was tough, I will admit that. IF you did not get a figure than your schedule did not permit or you did not chose to make it a priority and get there early. IN LIFE the best things go fast and the early bird gets the worm. THIS is true whether it is the local bakery or a exclusive toy. I go to Japan and you should see them nearly kill people running to get in line for exclusives there.If you did not show up until Saturday afternoon maybe you had little or no chance however it was your choice to get there halfway through the show not anyone else's. IF it was that important to you than you should have got there earlier. Thanks again to all the people who posted and some of us will have to agree to disagree I am afraid. Dave

tauntaunweequay
06-23-2002, 12:29 AM
WOW , with all the waiting in line for saculs, selling to dealers, waiting in line, selling,waiting,selling,repeat, ect, ect ....DID ANY OF THESE "FANS" ACTUALLY GO TO C2 to enjoy the guests and exhibits??????!!!!?!?!?!?

Jedi_Sledge_Hammer
06-27-2002, 06:24 AM
Well,

I just stumbled upon this thread, and as a CII attendee I would like to say that dealers indeed get first shot at the figures. On Sunday, the first time my friend and I were able to get in line for the figure, I took a walk down the line. Guess who I saw at the front of the line, but about 100 people with dealer badges. It turns out that dealers were allowed to get in before the attendees and were able to claim their spot in line. I also saw a few other people sneak their way into line, but since it was some of the actyors who wanted a keepsake, and they would be in their own area signing autographs all day, I had no problem with them doing so.

What I want to add was the blatant desire of dealers, and some collectors at the show. On friday I heard of people buying a case or so of the figure so they could sell on the secondary market. On Saturday and Sunday I saw signs offering to buy the figure for $35-$40 and selling for $80-$100.

Granted, my experiences at CII showed a tremendous lack of preparation by the event staff and the quantity of product available. By talking with some CII store employees, most of the merchandise was sold out Fri afternoon, and the only reason that the figs lasted was that certain quantities were set aside for each day, but even that didn't work when part of Sat and Sun inventories were sold on Fri.

Overall, it was easy for dealers to hold significant power throughout the convention. Since they were allowed in the building before the fans, they had ample opportunity to locate and stake out the locations where they could achieve the greatest possible economic advantage.

Perhaps the planning of CIII will provide a better experiene for many people, we shall have to wait to find out.

06-28-2002, 01:10 AM
It's been almost 2 months since C11. GET OVER IT.

I would like to get my complaints in early for C111. if it's ok

Can you believe that they decided to hold C111 in Mayberry? The airfare was almost to much but I managed to rent out a room in my trailer for 3 yrs. so I was able to afford it.

All the lines, I was soooooo confused (poor me) I stood in line for what seemed to be months and didnt even get the exclusive Capt. Picard action figure I guess I'll have to buy one from those darn SCALPERS on Ebay. (poor me) waa waa waa waa waa waa waa and I am really pissed at that gosh darn George Lucas for starting all this mess years ago, if he would have just decided to make American Graffiti 3, 4, 5, 6 I would not have to go through all this stress. (poor me)

I love all you guys. You willingly spend the money to go to a convention then complain about it

You show up late, stand in line all the while whinning and complaining. You blame others for something you didnt get or, see, or do.

I saw alot of people selling extra Jorgs for anywhere from $20 to $30

But you would rather do without because now you have something to whine about.

I feel better now, thanks for listening.

[ 06-28-2002, 01:36 AM: Message edited by: General Urko ]

JohnA
06-28-2002, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Jedi Sledge Hammer:
Well,

I just stumbled upon this thread, and as a CII attendee I would like to say that dealers indeed get first shot at the figures. On Sunday, the first time my friend and I were able to get in line for the figure, I took a walk down the line. Guess who I saw at the front of the line, but about 100 people with dealer badges.<font size="2" face="arial">Um... There were no "dealer" badges so how do you know who was a dealer and who wasn't? The dealers had exibitor badges, news flash...
SO DID I!!!! images/icons/shocked.gif
I was w/ the guys that did the Collector's Panels. Most of us had the same badges as dealers as did a TON of other people and let me tell you they did NOT give us any special treatment b/c of said badges. I got in just slightly before the fan club but by the time I got through all of the crowds and security a half hour passed. Is anybody b!tching and moaning because the fan club got in what a half hour or hour before everyone else?? No!! Give it a rest already guys.

John

06-28-2002, 10:04 PM
Fumetti who are you to dog out the immortal Gods of all there is Star Wars? Huh?
What are you thinking? Tell me now.

Do you not know these guys are the epitome of what Star Wars collecting is about. Hell, I realized a long time ago I was not worthy to even breathe the same air as these "true" collectors.

I have loved sitting here until now going through all that has transpired, and been said. Honestly, these guys are so far up their own a**es it's pathetic. You damn near had me rolling on the floor when you mentioned the compensation for size (or lack thereof) of their private parts.
You hit on the head (no pun intended) on that man.

These losers, oops I mean Gods, are like the 55 yr old men that go out and buy brand new Mustangs so they can have the little 18 yr old girls giggle and look. But at least I give the 55 yr old credit, he's after some young pootang, these guys are out to make you, and I drool (no such luck). They love the fact that some people actually look up to them, it's quite pathetic.
Go get some pootang, make babies, have them look up to you.

I love the number of times they lay claim to what they "have done for the community". Gimmie a f***in' break. Did I ask you "to do for the community"? I could give a hoot what you do, or don't do. But please leave the Michael Jordan "I proved what I had to" ego at the door.
But, I guess as long as some moronic little fool hangs onto your coattail's, the attitudes will always linger.

They collect vintage, protos, unreleased items, etc., etc. so therefore we must all bow down, unless in their leagues. The POTF2 (modern only) collectors are the trash of the earth. Say it guys "We're not worthy.. We're not worthy".
What's good to note though is some of these "God" collectors also collect POTF2 (but they remain in the closet).

Sorry if I make your little hearts break that I am not one that has an alter of all you ugly *** freaks. I mean what scares me is you get off on buying some ex-Kenners employees soil stained jockies. Now ask yourself who the f*** is the terds here?

Whew boy blow me over and label me impressed.
Anyway, I happen to love the "sh*t *** modern" line, it is by far superior to the vintage in many ways. Yes, vintage was it back in the day, but that is just it.. Back in the day.
They bring back some great memories, but nothing I need to now fill all over again in my life.
It's kick a** for the nostalgia factor, and a few other things as well, but is much out dated than the worse POTF2 figure to date.
Hey as long as it makes you feel all warm, and litrle boy like again, more power to ya. Just remember you need to grow up someday.

As for the sticking up for all the scumbag dealers they so admire. Fumetti these guys are worse than crack hookers. They stick by their man (**** dealers) like the same 5 dollar ho does down on the block. As long as Semling, and all the rest of the scumbags acquire what THEY need, then all is good. Who cares if they wh*re out the other 3/4 of the "community". I swear if you could get them a minty fresh case pulled Vlix, you'd have them be your b**** for some time to come. Come here puppy dog...
They should wear vests like the old biker gang girls that say "So and so's b****". Pathetic they is.

Go get'em Fumetti. I got your back man. If you bump heads with them at C3, or any other Con they might beat you silly with their "AFA 100 graded" early bird kits. Just take a minty case fresh vinyl cape Jawa and tear him off the card. Wanna see 100 geek boys wither into hell?\

[ 06-28-2002, 10:29 PM: Message edited by: LamePOTF2Collector ]

JohnA
06-28-2002, 11:12 PM
Welcome aboard troll. images/icons/grin.gif One or two more posts like that and you'll be banned so dig your own grave. Enjoy your short stay.

06-28-2002, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by John J. Alvarez:
Welcome aboard troll. images/icons/grin.gif One or two more posts like that and you'll be banned so dig your own grave. Enjoy your short stay.<font size="2" face="arial">I guess you guys have yet one more fascination. Trolls. I see this word used a lot here. You are all quite the scary bunch.

I just wonder since you all are one and the same (I mean you do all think alike, use the same words, etc., etc.), do you all feed off the same brain?

Fumetti see man, hit these guys where it counts, and out comes the name bashing, threats, and more.
You guys do entertain me.

Troll, Hehehe..

Jason_Coulston
06-29-2002, 02:25 AM
LamePOTF2Collector, you were far more entertaining when you were called ALF. Seriously.

Come back ALF!

JohnA
06-29-2002, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
I guess you guys have yet one more fascination. Trolls. I see this word used a lot here. You are all quite the scary bunch.<font size="2" face="arial">And I quote:
"Section 1: What Is A Troll?
The WWW gives this as a definition:

troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies"; which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it."

There is a whole web page explaining more here. (http://www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html) You seem to have read up though and covered all the bases so let me be the first to say "good show ol' boy" images/icons/wink.gif


Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
I just wonder since you all are one and the same (I mean you do all think alike, use the same words, etc., etc.), do you all feed off the same brain? <font size="2" face="arial">Yes, we've been found out. The collecting community is really a hive mind. Darn now we will have to either dispose of you or force you to join the hive. images/icons/grin.gif

Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:

Fumetti see man, hit these guys where it counts, and out comes the name bashing, threats, and more.
You guys do entertain me.

Troll, Hehehe.. <font size="2" face="arial">Yes right again because my post was ever so threatening. Troll isn't name calling so much as a fact of what you are doing and telling you that you'll get banned wasn't a threat just a friendly warning. Moderators around here don't take kindly to the kind of B@lls out attack you tried to make. The only problem was everybody laughed at you instead of getting heated. Here's another quote from that page:
"Get to know them. Every newsgroup has its smartarse who will expose your troll if given half a chance. Research your targets and learn what their arguments are. Then avoid those argu- ments like the plague. Drag them off-topic - the further off-topic the better. Remember, you are trying to waste their time. Never take sides - remember that your goal is not to win an argument, rather it is to provoke a futile one that runs forever."

Ok, FYI I am that smartarse exposing you. Now try your hardest to avoid me and drag this back on to your topic. This is an old phrase coined for Usenet but it very much applies here. You signed up and your first post was a freakin' novella attacking people you know nothing about and sticking up for a known troublemaker. I really do think that troll applies.

And for the record I really don't think POTF2 is that lame. It started me collecting. I have a bunch of stuff on my ME page if you took the time to look. I have everything from production pieces to proofs, first shots, and hard copy stuff. Some of it can be pretty neat. It's the viscious attacks made by POTF2 collecters such as yourself that are lame. images/icons/grin.gif . Bye bye troll. Come back after you read up on how to be SUBTLE.

I'm going to adjust my hairpiece, jump in my mustang, and try to impress some chicks w/ my large collection and small *****. Ta Ta.

troyig88
06-29-2002, 09:23 AM
but don't assume that the rest of us are working at Wal-Mart or McDonalds, and don't understand rudimentary economic principles...we are simply lamenting the fact that the situation wasn't handled as well as it should have been, and hope that in the future, it is done in more fairly so all collectors get the chance to obtain the exclusive figures. If that threatens your precious business, well then, I hear Wal-Mart is hiring...[/QB][/QUOTE]

Now hold on just hold on a damn minute, I work for Walmart images/icons/grin.gif

Sems_Fir
06-29-2002, 09:27 AM
The thread that never dies!
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"Go get'em Fumetti. I got your back man. If you bump heads with them at C3, or any other Con they might beat you silly".
Hey, John and Jason stop me from shaking! I'm all a quiver with fear!
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"You damn near had me rolling on the floor when you mentioned the compensation for size (or lack thereof) of their private parts".
Are you sure you weren't rolling around on the floor for a different reason? Perhaps you're a banana fan?
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"These losers, oops I mean Gods, are like the 55 yr old men that go out and buy brand new Mustangs so they can have the little 18 yr old girls giggle and look. But at least I give the 55 yr old credit, he's after some young pootang, these guys are out to make you, and I drool (no such luck)".
Actually I drive a restored 'Cuda if you must know (although Ford did and does make some great cars). You're probably one of those individuals that dreams of stopping the bed wetting, and getting out of the stroller. Then you purchase a little Yugo car, turn up the music real loud to try and get some attention to look cool. In reality when I pull up to a stop light next to you, you wet yourself bad and turn down the first side street. If you drive such a fine automobile how about posting a picture of your Mustang killing machine? The pin stripe details on your stroller, must have those Mustang drivers really scared!
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
What's good to note though is some of these "God" collectors also collect POTF2 (but they remain in the closet).
I'm a collector. Notice the little dot called a period after the word collector. When you reach grade school level you'll learn more about the little dot. I never said I didn't collect POTF2. I openly admit I collected POTF2 when the toy line was available at retail. Although since you appear to like rolling around the floor so much perhaps you should finally take that first important step and come out of the closet.
Jason wrote:
"Come back ALF!"
Just dial 10-10-220 or wait, you better get the phone number to the local supermarket located in that fine place located on the map called "Sewersofyourcity" LamePOTF2Collector likes bananas!

Robert

06-29-2002, 09:35 AM
Ahh, yes good morning Mr. Alvarez. Nice to see you dropped by again.
Tis very nice that you did some research for me on the whole Troll thing. It is very much appreciated. From the looks of it I guess you nailed me right from the get go, such is life they say. I just wonder if the whole write up about us (Trolls) was just done by someone who is much like yourself (and your buddies), someone who just took it upon themselves to play the "God" like role.

Moving along however..

"The collecting community is really a hive mind. Darn now we will have to either dispose of you or force you to join the hive."

Join you? Nah, I think I'll pass. I have seen a good majority of you, and you want to know the scary part of it? I have actually rubbed elbows with many of you on SEVERAL different occasions. Yes, Mr. Alvarez I have attended some of your own private little meetings. So you pegged me right on the "Troll" part, but you never would've thought I might have been possibly standing right on the side of YOU, and your mindless drone of clones at any given time.
Good work on the Troll part, but you still need some work on other things Alvarez.
Hey one day I could've sold you one of them treasured Biker Scout pieces you own. You never can tell Johnny boy unless you were to seal off all cracks, us Trolls love to slip in through those cracks any chance we get.

"Moderators around here don't take kindly to the kind of B@lls out attack you tried to make. The only problem was everybody laughed at you instead of getting heated."

I think by posting what I did, I had already realized the chance of getting banned was quite probable. If that happens c'est la vie. I realize Mods have a job to do, and also love having the power, if it makes them feel that much better about themselves then I am happy for them.
As for everyone laughing, I guess the laughter could only be heard in your pathetic little chat you drones all attend on Fri nights. It gets quite child-ish in there. Do any of you have anything better to do? I mean does getting loaded (as some do, not at all) by a computer, and talking all the s*** you do constitute a "wild night"?

"Ok, FYI I am that smartarse exposing you. Now try your hardest to avoid me and drag this back on to your topic. This is an old phrase coined for Usenet but it very much applies here. You signed up and your first post was a freakin' novella attacking people you know nothing about and sticking up for a known troublemaker. I really do think that troll applies.

And for the record I really don't think POTF2 is that lame. It started me collecting. I have a bunch of stuff on my ME page if you took the time to look. I have everything from production pieces to proofs, first shots, and hard copy stuff. Some of it can be pretty neat. It's the viscious attacks made by POTF2 collecters such as yourself that are lame. . Bye bye troll. Come back after you read up on how to be SUBTLE.

I'm going to adjust my hairpiece, jump in my mustang, and try to impress some chicks w/ my large collection and small *****. Ta Ta."

Again John, I know PLENTY enough about many of you, so that alone gives me some right to be able to say what I said. OH, I am very happy to see you collect the "garbage" known as POTF2, but of course you had to add the vintage in there to be part of the "in" crowd. Was it peer pressure? Was it you needed to feel special like the "Holy Gods of Star Wars collecting"? What was it?
I could tell you I also collect protos, unreleased pieces, some proofs, etc., etc. (all modern of course) but then I'd just sound like I am trying to justify myself as you all do. You are all just trying to out do each other, it's quite hilarious. But of course none of you would ever admit that.

I hope the hairpiece is a good one. I'm sure the Mustang has (overpriced) $1000 a piece rims, I mean all you have has to justify yourself in some way or another. Do understand John that 18 is the legal consenting age to NOT get yourself in trouble with females. Though depending on how "small" you truly are you might be able to fool even the law. A good fake ID, and a nice clean shave might help in that though. Sorry to hear of your p**** problem, you could always sell off the collection and see a doctor that might be able to help with that. Seems anything can be done these days. Taa Taa.

[ 06-29-2002, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: LamePOTF2Collector ]

06-29-2002, 09:56 AM
Sems Fir (or is it Rob) you have a lot to say as well.
You seem to have a lot of pent up aggresion toward "banana" fans. You know they say those that are that homophobic have their own issues they are dealing with. You should really talk to someone about it. I think any "banana" lover has the right to do as they'd like. I have myself a wife, and some children, and also no qualms at all with how homosexuals live.

Fumetti where are man?
See again how he had to add he owns a Cuda. Lord, is that what makes you men? Materialistic things. You are very, very sad. I like how you try to nail me though, when in all actuality you know FAR less about me, than I do about you. OH, and I do not own a Mustang, and don't recall ever saying I did. Read Rob, oops I mean Sems Fir, read.

Next time before you blabber on, just take the time to read, and focus on what you are about to post.

As for the Walmart employee above..
I'd never dog you out for working at Walmart, hey it's a job. I never criticize anyone for getting out of bed every morning to make a living, in whatever type of "real" employment that might be.
Take into mind eBay does not constitute "real" employment.
Then again we could lose our jobs at any time, and have to resort to eBay to make a living, and justify not finding a job.

JosephY
06-29-2002, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
Fumetti who are you to dog out the immortal Gods of all there is Star Wars? Huh?
What are you thinking? Tell me now.

Do you not know these guys are the epitome of what Star Wars collecting is about. Hell, I realized a long time ago I was not worthy to even breathe the same air as these "true" collectors.
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JYX Writes:
Funny how your account and responses started right after I had some words with a certian POTF2 collector that's known for getting fired from sites. Lets see, I FAR from think I'm the god or one of the gods of all that is SW collecting. I think I'm fairly knoweledgeable on most subjects in the hobby, and I've helped put some nice pieces into peoples collections. In fact I've put some damned nice pieces into your collection, ingrate.

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Lame Writes:
I have loved sitting here until now going through all that has transpired, and been said. Honestly, these guys are so far up their own a**es it's pathetic. You damn near had me rolling on the floor when you mentioned the compensation for size (or lack thereof) of their private parts.
You hit on the head (no pun intended) on that man.

These losers, oops I mean Gods, are like the 55 yr old men that go out and buy brand new Mustangs so they can have the little 18 yr old girls giggle and look. But at least I give the 55 yr old credit, he's after some young pootang, these guys are out to make you, and I drool (no such luck). They love the fact that some people actually look up to them, it's quite pathetic.
Go get some pootang, make babies, have them look up to you.

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JYX writes:
I get hit on/flirted with by 18 year old girls on a regular basis... BTW it's a Caddy, not a Mustang. And as for size.. your wife said mine's bigger than yours.... And the "make babys" portion, isn't that why you can't afford to buy all the stuff you want and why you have to envy my(and others) collections?

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Lame writes:
I love the number of times they lay claim to what they "have done for the community". Gimmie a f***in' break. Did I ask you "to do for the community"? I could give a hoot what you do, or don't do. But please leave the Michael Jordan "I proved what I had to" ego at the door.
But, I guess as long as some moronic little fool hangs onto your coattail's, the attitudes will always linger.
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JYX:writes
No one asked me to do any of the things I've done in the SW community. I've done them out of friendship. I've done certian things to keep people from getting ripped off. I've shared items that are one of a kind with the community so that everyone can enjoy what this or that unproduced piece looks like.I've bought things for supposed friends and then gotten stuck with them or it's taken that person... MONTHS to settle up, but yet I still offered this person stuff at cost, was I asked to do this, nope. Did I, yep, because I conSIDered this person to be a friend.

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Lame writes:
They collect vintage, protos, unreleased items, etc., etc. so therefore we must all bow down, unless in their leagues. The POTF2 (modern only) collectors are the trash of the earth. Say it guys "We're not worthy.. We're not worthy".
What's good to note though is some of these "God" collectors also collect POTF2 (but they remain in the closet).
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JYXwrites:
I've never denied that I also collect POTF2 and newer stuff.I've got every POTF2 and newer piece .
I don't have them displayed,(except for the loose POTF2 of characters that weren't made in the vintage line. Because there are far more important pieces (in my opinion) to take up my limited display space.I don't go out of my way to get them either. It's not worth my time to hunt for them. I'd rather use my VERY limited free time
to hunt for vintage pieces and prototypes.

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Lame writes:
Sorry if I make your little hearts break that I am not one that has an alter of all you ugly *** freaks. I mean what scares me is you get off on buying some ex-Kenners employees soil stained jockies. Now ask yourself who the f*** is the terds here?

Whew boy blow me over and label me impressed.
Anyway, I happen to love the "sh*t *** modern" line, it is by far superior to the vintage in many ways. Yes, vintage was it back in the day, but that is just it.. Back in the day.
They bring back some great memories, but nothing I need to now fill all over again in my life.
It's kick a** for the nostalgia factor, and a few other things as well, but is much out dated than the worse POTF2 figure to date.
Hey as long as it makes you feel all warm, and litrle boy like again, more power to ya. Just remember you need to grow up someday.
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JYX writes:
I'd be far more freaked out if you DID have an alter to me. As for your little senario of buying used Kenner employee underwear, that's just disturbing and silly all in the same motion.
As for the whole POTF2 VS Vintage debate, we've ALL been thru that too many times to list. I "like" the sculpts on many of the newer toys.
But The overall look of the vintage line is far more appealing to me.And as I said, I collect both.

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Lame writes:
As for the sticking up for all the scumbag dealers they so admire. Fumetti these guys are worse than crack hookers. They stick by their man (**** dealers) like the same 5 dollar ho does down on the block. As long as Semling, and all the rest of the scumbags acquire what THEY need, then all is good. Who cares if they wh*re out the other 3/4 of the "community". I swear if you could get them a minty fresh case pulled Vlix, you'd have them be your b**** for some time to come. Come here puppy dog...
They should wear vests like the old biker gang girls that say "So and so's b****". Pathetic they is.
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JYX writes:
Funny thing about this comment is how you justify buying from scalpers at shows by saying that "this one's" not a bad guy. But in this type of forum , you'd deny buying from them or deny ever dealing with any of them. But at shows you're the 1st one at thier tables.So you're the closet B!tch in more ways than one aren't ya'.
I'll defend the actions of honest toy dealers all day long. I don't know Semling that well, but in my one dealing with him he was fair. As for TomDerby, he's one of THE most respected dealers in the hobby. Do I care that he got a case of Saculs, and had them AFA graded, NOPE.I'd hardly equate defending someone that you've had good dealings with as being thier b!tch.

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Lame writes:
Go get'em Fumetti. I got your back man. If you bump heads with them at C3, or any other Con they might beat you silly with their "AFA 100 graded" early bird kits. Just take a minty case fresh vinyl cape Jawa and tear him off the card. Wanna see 100 geek boys wither into hell?\<font size="2" face="arial">I'd think you'd just get the response of being arrested for destruction of property and either have to pay for it(at FULL Market price) which we all know YOU can't afford, or go to jail, and then you'd really be someone's B!tch or would the term prag be more appropriate?

Cheers
JoesphY
"The God of SW bootlegs and protos"

06-29-2002, 03:43 PM
Joesph Y is it? I have no idea who you are personally, so to assume I do is rather funny. You obviously have me out to be someone I am not. I do know who you are just out of hearing the name, and seeing you at a very few shows, including C2 if I remember right.
However I have had no contact with you personally ever!

If you recently had some sort of falling out, or break up with someone I am sorry to hear that. I started following this thread from day one Joesph. As for you helping me to get items for my collection, well read above. Unless you know me from a past life, my collection has had no help from you whatsoever.
Now this "getting fired from sites" comment, puzzles the hell out of me. You all seem to take my comments very personal, but yet I never mentioned one name in my initial post.

Sounds to me though Joesph you have had some friends, or people screw you from your words stated. Sorry for that part (not a cool thing), but to assume it's someone you know from a hole in the wall is absurd (for that I am not sorry).
Also don't assume I do not have funds to support my family, or collection. Again, you know nothing about me. My wife, children, and collection are all taken care of quite well might I add.
Does my not being raped by scalpers constitute me not being able to afford to collect?
I don't "make babies" I can not afford, nor buy things I can not afford as well. But, this again is based on the assumption that you know me so well.

One last thing Joesph is explain how I would have to pay full market price (which Lord knows, you know I can't afford), or got to jail better yet, for tearing a vinyl cape Jawa off the card? If it was mine I could shove it up my *** if I felt so inclined to. OH, wait again you assumed I was taking it off one of your hands. Assume, assume, assume.

As for Sems Fir, you have some issues with the whole man thing. It was a mere typo on my part. May I be forgiven Lord (that's you I'm asking)?
What I meant to say was "Fumetti where are YOU man?". The whole closet case thing is a serious issue YOU (Sems Fir) need to deal with, not me.
Ask Joseph he seems to know me from what he thinks at least, ask him if I am homosexual or not. Leave them to their business, and handle your own hang-ups.

[ 06-29-2002, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: LamePOTF2Collector ]

JosephY
06-29-2002, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
Joesph Y is it? I have no idea who you are personally, so to assume I do is rather funny. You obviously have me out to be someone I am not. I do know who you are just out of hearing the name, and seeing you at a very few shows, including C2 if I remember right.
However I have had no contact with you personally ever!

If you recently had some sort of falling out, or break up with someone I am sorry to hear that. I started following this thread from day one Joesph. As for you helping me to get items for my collection, well read above. Unless you know me from a past life, my collection has had no help from you whatsoever.
Now this "getting fired from sites" comment, puzzles the hell out of me. You all seem to take my comments very personal, but yet I never mentioned one name in my initial post.

Sounds to me though Joesph you have had some friends, or people screw you from your words stated. Sorry for that part (not a cool thing), but to assume it's someone you know from a hole in the wall is absurd (for that I am not sorry).
Also don't assume I do not have funds to support my family, or collection. Again, you know nothing about me. My wife, children, and collection are all taken care of quite well might I add.
Does my not being raped by scalpers constitute me not being able to afford to collect?
I don't "make babies" I can not afford, nor buy things I can not afford as well. But, this again is based on the assumption that you know me so well.

One last thing Joesph is explain how I would have to pay full market price (which Lord knows, you know I can't afford), or got to jail better yet, for tearing a vinyl cape Jawa off the card? If it was mine I could shove it up my *** if I felt so inclined to. OH, wait again you assumed I was taking it off one of your hands. Assume, assume, assume.

As for Sems Fir, you have some issues with the whole man thing. It was a mere typo on my part. May I be forgiven Lord (that's you I'm asking)?
What I meant to say was "Fumetti where are YOU man?". The whole closet case thing is a serious issue YOU (Sems Fir) need to deal with, not me.
Ask Joseph he seems to know me from what he thinks at least, ask him if I am homosexual or not. Leave them to their business, and handle your own hang-ups.<font size="2" face="arial">Based on your arrival and some of the comments made towards Robert(about his job situation and selling some of his collection on Ebay) that you couldn't have known unless you had spoken to him recently. Until YOU have the b@lls to say who you really are. I'll continue to believe that you are the person I believe you to be.But Even if you are him you won't have the b@lls to say anything to my face when you see me at a show.It's all fun and good to talk trash from behind a keyboard, but when faced with even having to discuss or more, anything in "real life" you people are pathetic. The assumption about the VC Jawa was if you opened one that didn't belong to you. IF it were an item of MINE and you destroyed/opened it, getting arrested would be the least of your worries.

Cheers
Joseph Y.
The Prototype hordeing, Sacul Scalpin', be all end all of evil in the SW hobby.

06-29-2002, 05:06 PM
OK, Joesph this will be the last I touch on the "I'm not who you think I am" stuff.
I know of Rob's (Sems Fir) problems through a friend of his (sort of).

Here's the explanation just for you.

A staff member of TheJawa.com is one of Rob's friends (who also posted a link to his auctions). A friend of mine that also knows this Jawa staff member, is the one who told me of Rob's hardship.
It was mentioned to me in case I had any interest in buying the stuff Rob had on. Of course you of all people know I couldn't touch that stuff right?
You do know me so very well Joesph.
In essence it's a kind of a 6 degrees of seperation type of thing. So Columbo you missed on that one. Try again.

Whether my "sudden" appearance is a coincidence, you shouldn't (again) just assume. Ever hear the saying about assumption?

Now for your tough guy machismo, I don't need to justify whom I am to you. You can indentify me as "Troll", like your colleagues already have.
You all seem to be detectives with not a fr**kin clue to what (or who) you think you are onto. First, I was thought of has "Alf", now it's someone new. Or is "Alf", and your assumption of me the same person? It tends to get a little confusing.

If we met at a show I'd most likely walk by you as I have in the past. Unless asking for an autograph would make you feel just that more important. Call me a coward, or whatever high school name you'd like, but I consider myself to have a little more class than to fight literally over toys. Now if you had done something a little more offensive, then maybe we could go toe to toe (I can already see the tough guy response coming before it gets posted).

I can tell you that you are wasting hot air on me Joesph, why don't YOU get the b@lls you speak so frequently of, and approach the "true" person you seem to have a beef with (and if you have already, then please forgive me).

[ 06-29-2002, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: LamePOTF2Collector ]

JosephY
06-29-2002, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
OK, Joesph this will be the last I touch on the "I'm not who you think I am" stuff.
I know of Rob's (Sems Fir) problems through a friend of his (sort of).

Here's the explanation just for you.

A staff member of TheJawa.com is one of Rob's friends (who also posted a link to his auctions).

Whether my "sudden" appearance is a coincidence, you shouldn't (again) just assume. Ever hear the saying about assumption?

Now for your tough guy machismo, I don't need to justify whom I am to you. You can indentify me as "Troll", like your colleagues already have.
You all seem to be detectives with not a fr**kin clue to what (or who) you think you are onto. First, I was thought of has "Alf", now it's someone new. Or is "Alf", and your assumption of me the same person? It tends to get a little confusing.

If we met at a show I'd most likely walk by you as I have in the past. Unless asking for an autograph would make you feel just that more important. Call me a coward, or whatever high school name you'd like, but I consider myself to have a little more class than to fight literally over toys. Now if you had done something a little more offensive, then maybe we could go toe to toe (I can already see the tough guy response coming before it gets posted).

I can tell you that you are wasting hot air on me Joesph, why don't YOU get the b@lls you speak so frequently of, and approach the "true" person you seem to have a beef with (and if you have already, then please forgive me).<font size="2" face="arial">I've already sent a private email to "you" to confront that situation.And that situation is open to face to face discussion anytime you see fit. And until you post who you really are, I'll continue to believe that you and this person are one in the same. Seeing as you registered here all of 5 minutes after he(you) and I exchanged unfriendly emails.

And as far as a "tough guy" response goes... All I'm going to say is anywhere any time, you feel that you're man enough to say the s#it about me to my face that you've hidden behind a computer to say here. I'll be more than ready to settle the situation once and for all.It's not over toys it's over people like you having verbal diahrea, about others contributing to the hobby and to discussions.I've NEVER acted like I consider myself a "God" in this hobby,and to go as far as to accuse Robert OR John of this behaviour is even more insane than accusing me.

There's NOTHING I've said to anyone on these boards that I wouldn't say to thier faces.Can you say the same?

Cheers
Joseph Y
Self proclaimed
"God of Bootlegs"

Jason_Coulston
06-29-2002, 07:28 PM
Joseph, why are people afraid of posting their real names? We don't really have a problem with it in the vintage community, as most people sign with their real names, or in many cases, use their real names as their screen name.

Anywhere outside of that community, however, people really do love to hide behind their screen. The anonymity gives them some sort of security blanket behind which they think they can throw stones at those with enough dignity and respect to post their real name.

My name is R. Jason Coulston. My email address is rjcoulston@attbi.com. Is that so hard?

Sems_Fir
06-29-2002, 07:51 PM
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"I know of Rob's (Sems Fir) problems through a friend of his (sort of).

Here's the explanation just for you.

A staff member of TheJawa.com is one of Rob's friends (who also posted a link to his auctions). A friend of mine that also knows this Jawa staff member, is the one who told me of Rob's hardship.
It was mentioned to me in case I had any interest in buying the stuff Rob had on. Of course you of all people know I couldn't touch that stuff right"?

Do you actually believe the stuff I have on Ebay is due to my hardship? If you are supposed to know me so well, you should clearly know why that is not the case as to why I'm selling the Chituhr stuff on Ebay. By the way in your response to Troy I did admire the posting of being unemployed and selling stuff on Ebay. That was an initial hint, hint, that I decided not to respond to in my first response to you, but since you mention my hardship I'll write a mention of that here. You do realize one email over to the Jawa can clear up quite a bit? Funny, how the Jawa website gets mentioned. By the way, the Jawa staff member does know the reason why I'm selling stuff, which is two fold, but you already know that part. Plus, only a couple of people call me Rob and not Robert so that does narrow it down real quick to who you are. When did I first have email contact with you? It was a couple of years ago. I'll let you ponder that line for a while.

Robert (still man enough to use my real name to sign a post I've written, for some though they just can't seem to type a name)

06-29-2002, 08:33 PM
YET, again (how many times will it take?) you have me.. Ahh, forget it. I am not quite sure of which personal email it is that you are speaking of that was sent to me on the issue of me being (we'll call him/her) "X", but nothing resides in my inbox on it.

It's getting fruitless arguing back and forth really.

Now Rob, Robert, Sems Fir, or whatever you'd like to be called you can email Jawa. The site was YET again (deja vu) mentioned, seeing as it is the ONLY site to mention your recent auctions. I don't deal with the Jawa guys, so whatever new accusation it is you're making, I'll just add it to the list. As I stated this info came from a friend of a friend of yours there. If I recall, since I have not checked their site in the last few days, the post itself mentioned you were in hardships (though I could be wrong).
I have also heard your name mentioned as BOTH Rob, and Robert. Anything else you'd like me to cover base on. So are you going to now call upon the Jawa.com detectives?

YET again (this is getting monotonous) I don't have to justify who I am to anyone here. Call it being a "Troll", a ****, or whatever you'd like but frankly, it's not your business. As for putting up my email adress, now that is a good one. I should put it up to receive harrasing emails from the likes of you folk? Try again.

[ 06-29-2002, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: LamePOTF2Collector ]

JohnA
06-29-2002, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
Ahh, yes good morning Mr. Alvarez. Nice to see you dropped by again. <font size="2" face="arial">Well good evening to you sir. I go to the beach w/ my girlfirend and some friends (yes I do have a life outside of the internet no matter what you think) images/icons/grin.gif and this thread blew up.


Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
I just wonder if the whole write up about us (Trolls) was just done by someone who is much like yourself (and your buddies), someone who just took it upon themselves to play the "God" like role. <font size="2" face="arial">"God" Me?? Do you really know me?? I am just a modest collector w/ a modest collection just trying to get some toys and make some friends. images/icons/smile.gif I seem to have stumbled across a new one.


Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
Join you? Nah, I think I'll pass. I have seen a good majority of you, and you want to know the scary part of it? I have actually rubbed elbows with many of you on SEVERAL different occasions. <font size="2" face="arial">And you are...


Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
Yes, Mr. Alvarez I have attended some of your own private little meetings. So you pegged me right on the "Troll" part, but you never would've thought I might have been possibly standing right on the side of YOU, and your mindless drone of clones at any given time.
Good work on the Troll part, but you still need some work on other things Alvarez.
Hey one day I could've sold you one of them treasured Biker Scout pieces you own. You never can tell Johnny boy unless you were to seal off all cracks, us Trolls love to slip in through those cracks any chance we get. <font size="2" face="arial">Well if you did then thank you very much. I have not had any problems w/ anyone I have bought from so if I did buy from you why the hostility? I rarely have any harsh words w/ fellow collectors. I even try to remain calm in the face of blatant attacks such as your own. Let's start by having your name since we have all been kind enough to supply you w/ ours.


Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
As for everyone laughing, I guess the laughter could only be heard in your pathetic little chat you drones all attend on Fri nights. It gets quite child-ish in there. Do any of you have anything better to do? I mean does getting loaded (as some do, not at all) by a computer, and talking all the s*** you do constitute a "wild night"? <font size="2" face="arial">Well you seem to have intimate knowledge of our behavior as well as comings and goings. Why is it that you can't admit who you are? Are you one of the mystery *Guest11873456* people that log in and just lurk all night? Why not speak up? You'll find we are quite easy to get along with. As for a "wild night" no a night in chat is not "wild" for me. It is however nice to "talk" to people I consider friends that I never see. As I said above I do have a girlfriend who I very much love. We have been dating for several years and I do have many many friends out side of "cyberland" images/icons/wink.gif So spending time w/ friends or loved ones is my idea of a "wild night". How about you?


Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
Again John, I know PLENTY enough about many of you, so that alone gives me some right to be able to say what I said. OH, I am very happy to see you collect the "garbage" known as POTF2, but of course you had to add the vintage in there to be part of the "in" crowd. Was it peer pressure? Was it you needed to feel special like the "Holy Gods of Star Wars collecting"? What was it? <font size="2" face="arial">What exactly do you know about me? I post, make friends, collect, and try to help out when I can. I am a college graduate, have social life, friends that would kill for me, and a job I hate. As for the POTF2 stuff, I never said it was garbage. I still collect some of it but for the most part it doesn't give me the "feeling" that vintage does. I started to hate bad distro and 10,000 variations so I slowly moved into vintage and the "bug" bit. I love the toys of my youth. Simple nostalgia that's all. As for protos (new and old) I went to school for Marketing and do a fair deal of proofing at work (you'd never tell because of how bad I type/ spell) so the early proofs and protos really do it for me. Sorry but it has nothing to do w/ feeling special or part of the "in crowd" it has to do with how it makes me feel, and that's happy.


Originally posted by LamePOTF2Collector:
I hope the hairpiece is a good one. I'm sure the Mustang has (overpriced) $1000 a piece rims, I mean all you have has to justify yourself in some way or another. Do understand John that 18 is the legal consenting age to NOT get yourself in trouble with females. Though depending on how "small" you truly are you might be able to fool even the law. A good fake ID, and a nice clean shave might help in that though. Sorry to hear of your p**** problem, you could always sell off the collection and see a doctor that might be able to help with that. Seems anything can be done these days. Taa Taa. <font size="2" face="arial">Nah the hairpiece was a joke (obvious you have never seen me) and the Mustang and ***** jokes were also sarcasm. I don't have a car, don't need a hair piece w/ all my hair and my girlfriend is 27 so I don't think I have to worry about jail.

Well you have a good night guy. Hope we can chat again soon. You should have known I wouldn't make this easy for you. images/icons/wink.gif What did you say your name was again?

John J. Alvarez ( a man w/ a name he isn't afraid to say) images/icons/grin.gif

Jason_Coulston
06-29-2002, 08:57 PM
I'm thinking about starting a collector hall of shame website. The transcripts from such genius posts made by these comedians will surely be noted, as will the collector that posted them. Unfortunately, we'll never truly know who these people are, given that every one of them spinelessly hides behind fake names.

In any case, LamePOTF2Collector, will surely be a highlight, although I think "ALF" really takes the cake for all time moron.

Have you guys this thread to any of the other guys? They'd get a big kick out of it. We should invite them over for chuckles.

cmaybur
06-29-2002, 09:08 PM
I'm thinking about starting a collector hall of shame website. The transcripts from such genius posts made by these comedians will surely be noted, as will the collector that posted them. Unfortunately, we'll never truly know who these people are, given that every one of them spinelessly hides behind fake names.

What in holy hell is going on here? I thought this thread was finally put to rest, but where did this idiot come from?

Bill_McBride
06-29-2002, 09:59 PM
Here is a pic I found of ALF, doing a painting of someone we all know on the vintage forums:
http://sithtoys.homestead.com/Files/painter.jpg

ALF.. I miss you man, come back

Bill

Jason_Coulston
06-29-2002, 10:20 PM
Dude, that post is awesome.

I miss ALF too. We all do. It's nice though, that you were able to find such a great picture of him! I didn't realize he was such a fan of Steve York though.

Sems_Fir
06-29-2002, 10:41 PM
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"Now Rob, Robert, Sems Fir, or whatever you'd like to be called you can email Jawa".
"So are you going to now call upon the Jawa.com detectives?"

Already done and received a reply. It was an interesting email, and one I was quite pleased to receive from my friend over at the Jawa. Interesting how you claim to have received the information from the individual, but that person never mentioned anything to anyone. Lie number one against you in my book. Which means you were one of the few who I mentioned the tide of events in the last couple of weeks to. Cuts the poster who this is down real quick.

LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"If I recall, since I have not checked their site in the last few days, the post itself mentioned you were in hardships (though I could be wrong)".

You don't know how wrong you are! It states I'm selling them off for financial reasons and not for hardships. Of course you knew that already. By the way I watch the post times to your replies. Interesting to note that you wait until I log off and then you chime in with a reply.

LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"Anything else you'd like me to cover base on".

Sure, any new contacts over at Hasbro? Better yet, how's the retail business?

Robert

Jason_Coulston
06-29-2002, 10:50 PM
Is anybody else getting private emails from this guy? He's awesome. I realize now he's waaaaaaaaay better than ALF! Here is the unedited content of an email I just received:

"Hey Scumbag! Nice to see you have to sell off some of your collection on ebay. Hardship Ha Hah-Haa, I wish the worst for jerks like you who ruin the hobby with your nasty comments to collectors who you know nothing about.Your just a little maggot with nothing better to due cause your so ****in ugly the world hates you and your ugly fat friend that you like to post so may pictures of and probably ********** to in your spare time.See you soon maggot and we'll see how tough you are in person Scum******."

I can't get over how awesome this email message is. Robert, it sounds like you know who this guy is so drop me a line when it's convenient for you so I can get my new website up ASAP. This guy is going to be our star profile for sure.

I think I'm heading out for the night but I can't wait to come back tomorrow to see all the great posts which will surely be waiting!

JosephY
06-29-2002, 11:19 PM
Jason, Here's the "love letter" I got from him. He REALLY wants to outdo ALF.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
Hey you are really one ugly freak. Thanks for letting your masturbation
friend Jason post it. I used it to scare of some roaches I was having
problems with. I also sent it to riply'es believe or not's Ugliest man in
the world contest.They told me you were still a front runner for the big
win.No wander you collect Star Wars, what else could you do..come on now
really. With a face and body like that...SHHHHHEEEZ! Hey I'll bet if you get
a Lawyer you could sue Hasbro over the Orn free ta figure. They stole your
likness dude! I know you had worked out a deal with Hasbro so you could do a
real scan pose for the Rancor keeper guy. Maybe you could now ask for some
extra cans of spam or something. Anyway always a pleasure to chat with you
tubby or is it beardo or fat dude collector or is it Comic book guy from the
Simpsons! Your just pathetic. See you at EP3 Tough guy. Be sure and bring
your vinyle cape Jawa so I can tear in front of your face stinky!
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

And by the way I'm far from being fat... I don't think any man w/ a 32"waist qualifies as fat. I may have a bit of a beer belly but the rest is all muscle. And as for my face,&lt;Johny Bravo voice&gt; Damned I'm pretty.... I assure you I get hit on/flirted with by more hot girls in one weekend than you have in your entire life.

Joseph

Bill_McBride
06-29-2002, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Jason Coulston:
"See you soon maggot and we'll see how tough you are in person Scum******."
<font size="2" face="arial">What a complete idiot. You know how sad things are when someone threatens you over the internet. (Kinda like ALF) But hey, maybe we can hope he is a Karate Instructor as well images/icons/wink.gif

Bill

Sems_Fir
06-30-2002, 12:33 AM
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"When in all actuality you know FAR less about me, than I do about you. OH, and I do not own a Mustang, and don't recall ever saying I did. Read Rob, oops I mean Sems Fir, read".
I'm so overjoyed to know that I have a fan! When you write the book about me don't forget to dedicate the first printing to me! By the way I never implied that you owned a Mustang but a "Mustang killing machine" go back and "read" the post over.
Sure, you can say I'm "materialistic". Having a chance to obtain something I wanted to have for a car and finally reaching the goal was worth the effort to find a car to salvage and restore. You collect toy action figures dubbed POTF2. Since you collect them it appears that you are "materialistic" as well. If you are not "materialistic" why do you collect the toy action figures.
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"Fumetti where are man?"
The following line you typed here sums up my response to those four words that you typed.
"Next time before you blabber on, just take the time to read, and focus on what you are about to post". Since John, and myself are in the midst of such greatness, explain the "Fumetti where are man" line for us. Did you mean to type men instead of man? LamePOTF2Collector perhaps you should see an individual about the "issues" you have about looking for men. Oh I guess you are THE MAN since you collect TOY action figures as well. You must look at yourself in the side mirrors of your "Mustang killing machine" to look at a "MAN".
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"I have myself a wife, and some children"
Thanks for the quick life story update. I'm off to write a book about a great, mindful individual, who is wondering "where are man". If you are looking for "men" odds are good that there are certain websites out there to help you out.

Robert (Man enough to type my real name to a post I've written, instead of not using a name at all, oh wait Trolls like to remain secret)

06-30-2002, 09:45 AM
"Already done and received a reply. It was an interesting email, and one I was quite pleased to receive from my friend over at the Jawa. Interesting how you claim to have received the information from the individual, but that person never mentioned anything to anyone. Lie number one against you in my book. Which means you were one of the few who I mentioned the tide of events in the last couple of weeks to. Cuts the poster who this is down real quick."

Glad to see that you got your answer you needed. If that person there states he never mentioned anything to anyone then so be it. I don't feel the need to explain myself further. You did your work, got your supposed answer, so there. I must admit I do feel fairly bad for this person that you think I am.

"You don't know how wrong you are! It states I'm selling them off for financial reasons and not for hardships. Of course you knew that already. By the way I watch the post times to your replies. Interesting to note that you wait until I log off and then you chime in with a reply."

Yes, I did say I could be wrong, though with the fact I heard it was due to hardships made me think it also could have been mentioned there. You, and your friend at TheJawa could be in cahoots for all that I know (or care), if someone truly wants what they believe to be true, then they can do whatever it takes including having friends help out in their aid.

"Sure, any new contacts over at Hasbro? Better yet, how's the retail business?"

I can't say I have had ANY contacts at Hasbro at all (though it'd be nice). We all can't be as lucky as you Robert. As for the retail coment, I have no clue what the h*ll this means. If you mean it in the literal sense, well then check out any business section of any newspaper. I can tell you from what I see, and read the retail market seems down. OH, yes K*Mart seems to be on the way out. Very strange question, but you asked.

To all receiving these emails you have posted I can guarantee they have not come from me. Of course you'll all believe it's me no matter what (some things just can't seem to sink in). I think that from the mention of this "Alf" character you all speak highly of, I must not be your only fan. Now you all can understand why I don't just publicly post my email address.
Also a thing worth a mention is the person whom sent the email sent it to R. Jason Coulston, claiming he was the one with the stuff on Ebay due to "hardship", obviously not knowing who it really was. So if you took just a second of your time to realize that, you'd realize the person sending the emails was not me.

At this point my pont is moot here, so you all can carry on believing what it is you'd like. Like I needed to say that anyway.

[ 06-30-2002, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: LamePOTF2Collector ]

JosephY
06-30-2002, 11:18 AM
Lame POTF2 collector Writes:

To all receiving these emails you have posted I can guarantee they have not come from me. Of course you'll all believe it's me no matter what (some things just can't seem to sink in). I think that from the mention of this "Alf" character you all speak highly of, I must not be your only fan. Now you all can understand why I don't just publicly post my email address.
Also a thing worth a mention is the person whom sent the email sent it to R. Jason Coulston, claiming he was the one with the stuff on Ebay due to "hardship", obviously not knowing who it really was. So if you took just a second of your time to realize that, you'd realize the person sending the emails was not me.

At this point my pont is moot here, so you all can carry on believing what it is you'd like. Like I needed to say that anyway.
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Honsestly there is a huge difference in the writing style between that email and your posts.
IN fact there is a huge difference in the writing style between your earlier posts and this one. Almost as if it's 2 people using the Lamepotf2 collector account, just to try to throw us off the track. Not going to happen.

Joseph

Sems_Fir
06-30-2002, 11:34 AM
LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"You, and your friend at TheJawa could be in cahoots for all that I know (or care), if someone truly wants what they believe to be true, then they can do whatever it takes including having friends help out in their aid".

So you are saying that the individual who I know at the Jawa website is lying? I'll let the individual know you stated that here. I'm sure he would be interested to know what you think of him. You seem a little upset that I contacted him, by stating the individual could be in cahoots with me. I sense a little bitterness towards the Jawa website.

LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"I can't say I have had ANY contacts at Hasbro at all (though it'd be nice). We all can't be as lucky as you Robert".

Sorry, to hear your search for modern era toy action figure prototypes has not gone well lately. Perhaps you can drop hints to other collectors to remember you if toy prototypes come up for sale on the secondary market. Oh wait, hints were mentioned to people in the past.

LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"then they can do whatever it takes including having friends help out in their aid".

Interesting choice of words, coming from you. Suddenly I'm Robert and not Rob as usually have mentioned in all previous posts, but my name isn't the only words typed that have changed as can be read with this comment from you.

LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"If you mean it in the literal sense, well then check out any business section of any newspaper. I can tell you from what I see, and read the retail market seems down. OH, yes K*Mart seems to be on the way out. Very strange question, but you asked".

There's a certain writing style attached to what someone writes, and how an individual words replies. Like my name you typed above, word styles change, and I know I'm not the only one who sees the words typed in your response above. This response is different from your previous posts in this thread. By the way, before you reply stating I'm paranoid I'll save you the trouble. An even bigger hint is to be careful how you type your response to this. Sometimes it's true to remember the past to make sense of the present.

LamePOTF2Collector wrote:
"then they can do whatever it takes including having friends help out in their aid".
"I can guarantee they have not come from me".

Again interesting choice of words. Perhaps you are correct that the emails didn't come from you. The writing style is different than the one about the retail comments. The writing style seems similar to the one that made the first post under the user ID: LamePOTF2Collector.

Be very cautious how you word your response. The past can come up suddenly to haunt you, and that's not paranoia typig the previous line.

Robert

JosephY
06-30-2002, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Jason Coulston:
I guess somebody else that doesn't like Joseph or I suddenly thought it was a good idea to send ludicrous hate emails at the same exact time as "LamePOTFCollector" started in on us. What a coincidence! images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Funny, I've never had an enemy before yesterday! images/icons/grin.gif <font size="2" face="arial">Also funny that the LamePOTF2 account was created within 5 minutes of my recieving an angry email from Jesidious@aol.com. Who, just happens to collect POTF2, who just happens to collect prototypes, who just happens to have "rubbed elbows" with a lot of collectors here as I tried to bring him to meetings etc.Who just happened to have detailed info on Roberts personal situation. Who just happens to have worked for the Jawa.Who ALSO just happens to be really friendly with zahadoom(from protoverse) aka Protorasta, aka Mark Woods, aka Philip Taylor, aka Alex Mclarren.
Hmmmm, the coincidences just keep a coming don't they

Cheers
Joseph

[ 06-30-2002, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: JYX1138 ]

cmaybur
06-30-2002, 01:43 PM
I think it's downright hilarious that this pitiful loser is sitting behind his computer thinking that he's some kind of "big man", talking trash about people and hiding behind his idiotic alias. Especially when we all know he wouldn't have the ***** to say anything to anyone's face in person. I guess some people have no other way to boost their own self-confidence than by talking smack about someone they wouldn't even say boo to in real life.

Here's some advice for "LamePOTF2Collector"... turn off your computer, back away from your desk, and get out of your house for a little while. Just be sure to tell mommy and daddy where you're going. Go out and interact with real people for a change. Maybe the next time you have the day off from your minimum-wage job scrubbing urinals at the local K-Mart, you could try getting to know people in a semi-civilized manner. And that doesn't include firing off nasty anonymous e-mails to people who have not done a single thing to you. "Scum******"... that's an interesting word you've invented. And while you're at it, why not try to learn a few basics of the English language so your posts don't look like they were written by a third-grader.

I look forward to seeing some more of your lunacy in the future, especially since I know that Joe, John, Jason, etc. are sitting back laughing at you, when you're thinking that you're getting them riled up. You're more entertaining than most prime-time sitcoms. Have a good day!

Jason_Coulston
07-01-2002, 12:51 AM
I guess somebody else that doesn't like Joseph or I suddenly thought it was a good idea to send ludicrous hate emails at the same exact time as "LamePOTFCollector" started in on us. What a coincidence! images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Funny, I've never had an enemy before yesterday! images/icons/grin.gif

Jason_Coulston
07-01-2002, 12:56 AM
To all receiving these emails you have posted I can guarantee they have not come from me.<font size="2" face="arial">Please guarantee this for us. I doubt you will, but you offered.

Jason_Coulston
07-01-2002, 04:22 AM
What happened to our friend? I hope he comes back. I kept checking all day for more amusing updates, but none were to be found. Maybe he's just gone for the weekend and will return tomorrow so more hilarity can ensue. If I'm lucky, I'll receive another great email tomorrow!

By the way, Joseph, do you and I have some sort of weird moron magnet we're not aware of?

07-01-2002, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by troyig88:
but don't assume that the rest of us are working at Wal-Mart or McDonalds, and don't understand rudimentary economic principles...we are simply lamenting the fact that the situation wasn't handled as well as it should have been, and hope that in the future, it is done in more fairly so all collectors get the chance to obtain the exclusive figures. If that threatens your precious business, well then, I hear Wal-Mart is hiring...<font size="2" face="arial">Now hold on just hold on a damn minute, I work for Walmart images/icons/grin.gif [/QB][/QUOTE]

Then I hope you can find an opening for them scubbing out the urinals images/icons/wink.gif , you know, nothing too challenging, but with it's own delights and rewards images/icons/grin.gif

JosephY
07-01-2002, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by Jason Coulston:
What happened to our friend? I hope he comes back. I kept checking all day for more amusing updates, but none were to be found. Maybe he's just gone for the weekend and will return tomorrow so more hilarity can ensue. If I'm lucky, I'll receive another great email tomorrow!

By the way, Joseph, do you and I have some sort of weird moron magnet we're not aware of?<font size="2" face="arial">What I believe happened here is that when I posted the facts of who our little troll was that it threw him for a loop. It's funny that this does happen to us both. Gus and I recently had a discussion about how the more visible/outspoken you are in the hobby the more open you are to unfounded attacks against your character and motives.I've got to say that I now understand what he meant, and I don't even make my presence all that visible......

Cheers
Joseph

Steve_York
07-01-2002, 06:18 PM
Great...that damn picture of McBride's is now in two different forums.

So did the troll every say what his name was? I'm dying to know after rediscovering some life in this thread...

07-01-2002, 06:55 PM
I found this from a hate e-mail sent to me.
I just want to thank Joe Y for 1 accusing me of being this lamepotf2 guy and for 2 posting my e-mail addy for all here to see. You're a great guy
Joe. I had a arguement w/ Joe recently about not meeting w/ him for something. He AIMed me and basically talked to me like I was a 5 year-old
kid. I responded in an e-mail to him which I was very ticked off. I guess the lamepotf guy happened to post here around the same time. Sorry if it
turned out to be a coinceidence. Also any nasty e-mails anyone received ain't from me.I would not call anyone a "scum******" since my best friend [who is also a respected webmaster] is gay. An fyi on going to meetings w/ Joe- I went once. Joe did invite me a few times but I never got to go more than the 1 time. I think I met 6 people total there- Rob Musco wasn't there.I never met the guy face to face ever. I did write for thejawa but I have no contact with anyone from that site now.
I quit when my daughter was born so I'd have more family time. Last thing about protorasta I have talked to him on AIM, and the phone handful of
times. If he really is who Joe claims so I have no clue. I have never bought anything from him and hardly know him at all. So that's pretty much it.
I won't be posting since I don't visit much. I just felt I had to defend myself even if no one cares.

Sid

[ 07-01-2002, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Sidi ]

07-01-2002, 08:44 PM
Guys,

I was just alerted to this thread and see that whatever civil discussion that was generated by the original poster has diminished into a personal battle that won't be allowed here. Please take this to email.

Thanks