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Brett_H
04-12-2001, 06:56 PM
I would be suprised if no one has posted this before, but even if it has been posted-it deserves being mentioned again.
First, let me say that I collect both vintage and new POTJ carded figures. Okay Hasbro, your sculpts are getting really good. IMO, now it's time to move away from generic cards and release the Episode II figures on vintage style cards. As someone else has posted previously, you got the cards right the first time! LARGE pictures of the character look so much better. What do you guys think? Lets start a petition right here!

apokolips
04-12-2001, 07:08 PM
Oh yes, a petition! They always work! http://www.collectstarwars.com/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif

Hasbro makes generic cards to save money. I'd rather have a generic card than pay an extra dollar or two. They'd treat the special cards like pack-ins. I don't know why it was cost efficient 20 years ago and it isn't now, but that's the way greed goes. Every penny counts.

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Brett_H
04-12-2001, 09:01 PM
Thanks for the vote of confidence apokolips. I really don't see how it could cost much more to make the cards look a little better. $1-2 per figure? This sounds a little high to me. Hasbro has really been trying to make some figures that appeal to collectors. Why not start making packaging that also appeals to collectors?

apokolips
04-12-2001, 09:14 PM
The cards wouldn't cost an extra dollar or two, Hasbro would just charge an extra dollar or two. Haven't you noticed how the packaging just gets cheaper and cheaper? They don't even print a name or other identifying marks on the cards anymore. It's just a sticker on the bubble. If the quality of packaging is on a steady decline, I think it's safe to say it won't get much better. All I can say is at least the figures are looking better and better. I'd buy figures in ziplock baggies if it meant more improvements to the figures themselves.

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SpaceGhost2K
04-13-2001, 02:33 AM
It wasn't that the cards were cheaper, it was that Unca George wasn't getting major organs in royalties then like he is now. You gotta make it up somewhere...

Darth_Ray
04-13-2001, 03:54 AM
Two reasons why it won't happen:

1) cost, see above
2) Marketing. From a collectors point of view, the old cards look better, form a stores point of view (you know, the guys Hasbro sells to), you want a line with a uniform look so that the product is readily identifiable. You get that with POTJ, not with vintage.

We may get some special packaging for the 25th aniversary figs, but I doubt it on anything else...

Darth Ray

04-13-2001, 10:11 AM
The 25th Anniversary figures won't be carded though, so yes they will have special packaging.

04-14-2001, 12:31 AM
Going to a single style cardback saves money and time, and cuts way back on waste. This money can in turn be put back into the figures. Between a nicer figure or a nicer cardback, I'll take the figure any day. What I'd like to see, as a compromise, is a big trading card in place of the Force File.

I don't know how many of you remember the old extra large Basketball cards, but something like that would be a real kick in the pants. The over all appearance would be very similar to the old style cards, and I imagine the cost couldn't be much more than the Force Files. Not sure how that whole thing would work with Topps, but it'd be worth looking into.

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04-14-2001, 01:56 AM
Nope. I don't like the idea of retro-cards. I like new designs and new thoughts. It's a new and original installment of the series we love. There ought to be new and original card designs to go with the new and original episode. The EP II figs will be popular with more than just the collectors and that includes lots of little kids. Hasbro is going to want their packages to be like shiny attractive lures for them. It's going to be business; not nostalgia. Retro-cards may only appeal to the more vintage oriented collectors and not to all those kids or to other collectors like myself. While I had these vintage figs as a kid in the 70's/80's I, for one, don't want to see their designs on the EP II toys. I want to see what new is instore for us and not what has already been.

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Darth_Ray
04-14-2001, 05:34 AM
Trading card for E2 might be good. I collect trading cards so I'd like it, to a point. The problem would be, if done now, getting cards on a bunch of obscure characters, and not the main ones, if done for the start of E2, then 20 Obi-Wan cards. Either way you get a very choppy set.

Might be nice if Topps and Hasbro worked together on this one and put out the Hasbro set as complementing the first E2 Topps set (like a promo set), happened back with the Classic figure 4-pack amoung other pack ins, but they were either strickly promo cards or the same as the main set, but with different numbering. If Topps produced the cards as a chase set (ie: foil or chrome cards) that would be cool.

Man, am I rambling or what. Excuse me while I get more coffee...

Darth Ray

Brett_H
04-14-2001, 11:43 AM
Okay, you guys have some good points and I appreciate the feedback on the idea. Personally, I still would love to see this happen, though. But...Hunter- I really like your compromise idea. Large trading cards would be a great new pack-in for the Episode II figures. You're right, it would essentially achieve the same effect, while still allowing them to save $ w/ generic packaging. I hope Andy is listening. http://www.collectstarwars.com/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif

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Darth_Broem
04-15-2001, 10:24 AM
I would like to see the coins again as pack-ins. A better card would be nice as well. The stores in my area never did "drop" the price when the POTJ figures came out. I am still paying $7 per fig no matter what store I go to. So, for that they can make a better card and might as well throw in a pack-in of some sort. I think it would be great if a small droid or some small fig was the pack-in but then that would be an excuse to up the price to $10 per fig.
I just don't think it will be done. So, that's another reason I'd like to see the coins make a comeback. Topps will make their own card sets again.

Mike_S
04-15-2001, 11:49 PM
To hell with coins or nice pictures on the packaging.
I would rather see a stand packed in with the figure.Now how much would it cost to produce a clear plastic stand with the SW logo on it?

04-18-2001, 12:04 AM
I don't believe they should go with a "retro" look unless Episode 2 has retro-like designs, which is perfectly possible.

Anyways, I really think Hasbro should try to change their basic "character face on left top corner, bubble with pic at its left side" layout. True, there isn't much you can do about this, as it is a very logical disposal of the content on an action figure's card, however - the following changes could work:

On the top of the card, use the STAR WARS: Episode II logo IN THE MIDDLE. At both sides of it, place multiple character pictures. Maybe you could use "good guys" on the left and "bad guys" on the right. No more than 4 or 6 characters though, or it becomes a circus http://www.collectstarwars.com/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif This would be the the Episode II line's logo.

Below the logo, place the bubble IN THE MIDDLE as well http://www.collectstarwars.com/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif. Now, at this point, one would think the card would have to be larger/bigger than the vintage/POTF2/Episode 1/POTJ cards... well, i don't mind a change in the card's size at all, but i believe this can work even in the same size POTJ cards are done in. The main problem is, that if Hasbro plans to include something like the commtech chip/jedi force file/freezeframe/flashback photo, placing the bubble in the middle would be a problem, but who knows? it all depends on what hasbro is planning to include with all figs. Personally, i believe drastic changes to the current layout are needed, just to keep it fresh (not saying i don't like the current layout, just hope we get something truly different next time). The bubble could be placed in the middle and still allow something like a stand to be included and be seen by a customer on the card. Hasbro could maybe use the character's picture on the left side, with his/her name (faction/affiliation insignia before the character's name would be sweeeet) under it, and sub-title (example: Anakin Skywalker - Jedi Duel).. and the choking hazard deal would go under all these too. On the right side, after the bubble, Hasbro could place the description of the stand/chip/whatever they are including, and of course..there would be a separate bubble for such item, OR...the bubble could be a continuation of the figure's bubble (like it happened with some Episode 1 figures' commtech chips.)

I also think they should do something special for the bubble like they did for POTJ (round looking, not flat).

Last: the color... oh well, who knows. Maybe there's a certain color that is seen a lot in Episode 2... but i guess the color has to be catchy? On the other hand, if Hasbro wants to use a different color, it sure can't be red, green or purple :P

Ok. that's all! Hope it wasn't confusing http://www.collectstarwars.com/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif

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PodRacer_X
04-18-2001, 06:41 AM
Ah, the old pack-in debate. I personally couldn't care less about coins, stands, slides, cards, COMMTech chips, stickers, holograms, Force Files, or Flashback photos. They get thrown away with the discarded card and bubble in my house. My favorite pack-ins are accessories, like small droids, tables, droid scanners, chairs, guns, lightsaber hilts, helmets, and other props from the movies.