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GNT
08-16-2013, 03:48 AM
Here's the placeholder thread for wave 4 of the Black series. Any news relating to this wave should go here.

Idpullthecurtain
08-16-2013, 04:51 AM
I guess we know what the wave will include some or all of the following;



Clone Trooper 41st Elite Corps (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098859/)
Darth Vader - ROTS (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098858/)
Luke Skywalker - Jedi Training (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098853/)
Snowtrooper Commander (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098857/)
Toryn Farr (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1010836/)
Voren Na'al - ANH Medal Bearer (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1095654/)
Wedge Antilles - Snowspeeder Pilot (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098856/)
Yoda - Jedi Training (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098849/)

BXR_1138
08-16-2013, 05:02 AM
^Will be the best wave if this is the case (pun not intended).

Idpullthecurtain
08-16-2013, 05:05 AM
^Will be the best wave if this is the case (pun not intended).

Well I imagine that would be 2 waves. But I agree, there are some great choices there. Particularly in light of the terrible first few waves.

R1G4R3PO
08-16-2013, 05:47 AM
^I would guess 2 waves as well, especially if add in the rumored naboo pilot, a-wing pilot and the infamous mia rex...that'll be 2 waves of 5 not counting the 41st clone repaint if that happens. The 2 pilots i believe were also later found in wm's computers. Also i think stan hinted wv4 or 5 will be esb heavy, and there are 5 listed above from esb

SGT_A
08-16-2013, 07:17 AM
I for one am stoked for this wave for 2 reasons:

1. It's primarily OT heavy, including a few never before made figs and a few that I feel could use an update.

2. Although we continually verbally flog the ever living crap out of Hasbro, this wave does give proof that they do listen to us as collectors (not as much as they should though).

so all in all, aside from Vizam in wave 3, I'll have to wait until this wave drops before I start really hunting again

Idpullthecurtain
08-16-2013, 07:23 AM
2. Although we continually verbally flog the ever living crap out of Hasbro, this wave does give proof that they do listen to us as collectors (not as much as they should though).


Not sure about that at all. They do listen for sure, but I dont think that influences Hasbro decision making as much as other factors.

SGT_A
08-16-2013, 07:30 AM
Not sure about that at all. They do listen for sure, but I dont think that influences Hasbro decision making as much as other factors.

A man can dream can't he :P

R1G4R3PO
08-16-2013, 07:32 AM
then again, i somewhat recall reading that the honor guard is part of a bp and if the rots vader is the vader in the euro case listing for wave 3 (sometimes early pics of upcoming waves do not include all in the wave, like wave 1 pics didnt include anakin and the clones at first) that could leave a wave of 6 for wave 4 from above list, so really there are multy-possibilities. As far as rex, naboo pilot, and awing pilot...maybe toss in the 2 mia BAD astromech and there's a amazon excl. part2....again many possibilities, kinda fun speculating

Idpullthecurtain
08-16-2013, 07:36 AM
then again, i somewhat recall reading that the honor guard is part of a bp and if the rots vader is the vader in the euro case listing for wave 3 (sometimes early pics of upcoming waves do not include all in the wave, like wave 1 pics didnt include anakin and the clones at first) that could leave a wave of 6 for wave 4 from above list, so really there are multy-possibilities. As far as rex, naboo pilot, and awing pilot...maybe toss in the 2 mia BAD astromech and there's a amazon excl. part2....again many possibilities, kinda fun speculating

As far I am concerned, I am treating the one from the WalMart list confirmed as Basic Line figures. Its very unlikely there would be a change there!
I dont recall if all of that list was from the computer, but I know most were, I know all the ESB ones were.
SOme of them do seem terrible choices though, and much more suited as Battle Packs and pack-ins, eg A-Wing Pilot, Medal Bearer etc etc.

R1G4R3PO
08-16-2013, 07:50 AM
As far I am concerned, I am treating the one from the WalMart list confirmed as Basic Line figures. Its very unlikely there would be a change there!
I dont recall if all of that list was from the computer, but I know most were, I know all the ESB ones were.
SOme of them do seem terrible choices though, and much more suited as Battle Packs and pack-ins, eg A-Wing Pilot, Medal Bearer etc etc.

a few of the amazom carded figs, also showed up on the wm list w/ upcs ...tie pilot, 212st clone, sandtrooper( likely corporal) so if these do not get remixed into tbs as hasbro implied, then i guess things could change. however, under normal circumstances, i would agree that if in retail computer as single releases then likely thats what they'd be. but again, these amazon excls do throw a wrench in the gears a bit. Unless these BAD cards were intended to be card variants like last years lost line, or previous gold coins, "revengeOTK", cards etc and idea got dropped for retail release and made a excl out of them. also there are a few more listed in the wm computer, saesae tiin, jag, gal marine, 327th clone, palpatine...a wave right there

SGT_A
08-16-2013, 08:02 AM
a few of the amazom carded figs, also showed up on the wm list w/ upcs ...tie pilot, 212st clone, sandtrooper( likely corporal) so if these do not get remixed into tbs as hasbro implied, then i guess things could change. however, under normal circumstances, i would agree that if in retail computer as single releases then likely thats what they'd be. but again, these amazon excls do throw a wrench in the gears a bit. Unless these BAD cards were intended to be card variants like last years lost line, or previous gold coins, "revengeOTK", cards etc and idea got dropped for retail release and made a excl out of them. also there are a few more listed in the wm computer, saesae tiin, jag, gal marine, 327th clone, palpatine...a wave right there

What Palpatine? I don't recall hearing about that

R1G4R3PO
08-16-2013, 08:08 AM
What Palpatine? I don't recall hearing about that

yeah, i think it may came from that flyguy site. Palpatine (ep3) and a few others had a upc posted w/ it. I tried to find it again through jta archives but link wasnt working great. i did however copied the lists and saved them. here's what i saved that had upcs listed w/ each fig:
tar Wars Episode IV Tie Pilot UPC:653569797234
Star Wars Episode III Saesee Tiin UPC:653569831495
Star Wars Episode III Clone Pilot Jag UPC:653569831518
Star Wars Episode III 212th Clone Trooper Action Figure UPC:653569799153
Star Wars Episode III Galactic Marine UPC:653569831594
Star Wars Episode III Emperor Palpatine UPC:653569831488
Star Wars Episode III Clone Trooper 327th UPC:653569831549

Idpullthecurtain
08-16-2013, 08:14 AM
a few of the amazom carded figs, also showed up on the wm list w/ upcs ...tie pilot, 212st clone, sandtrooper( likely corporal) so if these do not get remixed into tbs as hasbro implied, then i guess things could change. however, under normal circumstances, i would agree that if in retail computer as single releases then likely thats what they'd be. but again, these amazon excls do throw a wrench in the gears a bit. Unless these BAD cards were intended to be card variants like last years lost line, or previous gold coins, "revengeOTK", cards etc and idea got dropped for retail release and made a excl out of them. also there are a few more listed in the wm computer, saesae tiin, jag, gal marine, 327th clone, palpatine...a wave right there

I see, I hadnt realised that. Good point. But the point remains that the only way these figures aren't coming in the basic line, is if plans change. And really the only way these plans are likely to change is if they are released an alternative way, like the amazon set. At this point that may seem unlikely, since retailer exclusives are set for now? I think you are right, I bet they were originally intended as basic line figures, and we changed late on.

Idpullthecurtain
08-16-2013, 08:17 AM
yeah, i think it may came from that flyguy site. Palpatine (ep3) and a few others had a upc posted w/ it. I tried to find it again through jta archives but link wasnt working great. i did however copied the lists and saved them. here's what i saved that had upcs listed w/ each fig:
tar Wars Episode IV Tie Pilot UPC:653569797234
Star Wars Episode III Saesee Tiin UPC:653569831495
Star Wars Episode III Clone Pilot Jag UPC:653569831518
Star Wars Episode III 212th Clone Trooper Action Figure UPC:653569799153
Star Wars Episode III Galactic Marine UPC:653569831594
Star Wars Episode III Emperor Palpatine UPC:653569831488
Star Wars Episode III Clone Trooper 327th UPC:653569831549

I cant believe they would do another Ep III version! They just did one!
Its been a while since the last Ep VII one.

Idpullthecurtain
08-16-2013, 08:17 AM
dammit I mean Ep VI of course.

R1G4R3PO
08-16-2013, 08:20 AM
or for ep3:
this desperately needed update:
Rebelscum.com: Photo Archive (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0535palpatine.asp)

R1G4R3PO
08-16-2013, 08:22 AM
dammit I mean Ep VI of course.

...or and it ep7/palpatine rumor is true, then your VII mistake is valid :)

Idpullthecurtain
08-16-2013, 08:23 AM
or for ep3:
this desperately needed update:
Rebelscum.com: Photo Archive (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0535palpatine.asp)

Well yeah I am sure there are some PT ones that need re-doing. But the last OT Emperor we got, of any kind, was over 5 years ago.

urbnns69
08-20-2013, 12:46 PM
So, what's the difference between Clone Pilot Jag and Clone Pilot Oddball? Same fig with different helmet markings??

Krayt
08-20-2013, 02:30 PM
So, what's the difference between Clone Pilot Jag and Clone Pilot Oddball? Same fig with different helmet markings??

Should be. Yes

EnigmaticOne
08-20-2013, 04:29 PM
So, what's the difference between Clone Pilot Jag and Clone Pilot Oddball? Same fig with different helmet markings??

Yeah, unless they make a new headsculpt (doubt it). And I don't think he was in TCW for Hasbro to personalize him like Neyo.

It's a great sculpt, so I will still pick him up if the rumor is true. But it seems like an uneeded update. Seeing as he was in that Walmart evolutions set.

CMDR_Appo
08-21-2013, 05:59 PM
Yeah, unless they make a new headsculpt (doubt it). And I don't think he was in TCW for Hasbro to personalize him like Neyo.

It's a great sculpt, so I will still pick him up if the rumor is true. But it seems like an uneeded update. Seeing as he was in that Walmart evolutions set.

I guess they are wanting to do it for the sake of accuracy, like all current Clone releases. Before the VC Oddball, the pilot sculpts had a few innacuracies, so I guess they just wanna put Jag on par with Oddball, especially considering that they're the only two Named pilots in that gear. Also, Oddball's co-pilot in ROTS has Jag's helmet markings, so such a figure also doubles as his crewmate.

And anyways, Hasbro clearly have a thing for pilots considering the number of Rebel, Imperial and now somewhat Republic pilot releases we've had.

EmperorPalpitate
08-23-2013, 03:33 PM
Snowtrooper Commander and a new Dagobah Luke not coming out on vintage cards is gonna be like a knife in the gut. TBS should stand for 'total ********'.

Michael_Knight
08-23-2013, 07:01 PM
Asterick-ed out! What could you have possibly said?:P

Masterfett
08-25-2013, 08:21 PM
Snowtrooper Commander and a new Dagobah Luke not coming out on vintage cards is gonna be like a knife in the gut. TBS should stand for 'total ********'.
I have no big hurry for Dagobah Luke, but I've been after a correct Snowtrooper Commander for 15 years!

I'm not saying that version of Luke shouldn't be made, but they have plenty of time to milk the core characters.

Idpullthecurtain
08-26-2013, 05:27 AM
I have no big hurry for Dagobah Luke, but I've been after a correct Snowtrooper Commander for 15 years!

I'm not saying that version of Luke shouldn't be made, but they have plenty of time to milk the core characters.

Vizam has been great. But if W4 includes Luke, Yoda, Wedge and Stormtrooper Cmdr then it will be a knockout IMO.

Trooper31
08-26-2013, 05:43 AM
I understand those that are tired of the repeats. However, if they give us Luke, Yoda, Wedge, Snowtrooper Commander, Torynn, and hopefully Piett, it would be a really cool wave and kncok out a lot of my ESB wants with one fell swoop, although I have to admit the Dagobah training Luke from 2004 (?) with the different sets of arms is really cool.

DarthJefe
09-04-2013, 09:18 PM
I understand those that are tired of the repeats. However, if they give us Luke, Yoda, Wedge, Snowtrooper Commander, Torynn, and hopefully Piett, it would be a really cool wave and kncok out a lot of my ESB wants with one fell swoop, although I have to admit the Dagobah training Luke from 2004 (?) with the different sets of arms is really cool.

If Dagobah Training Luke is getting updated, I'll still keep my 2004 version for the handstand pose and head with the hair standing up. I'm also really hoping an ultimate Bespin Lando comes at some point next year, and hope that the six guys you mentioned are in this wave, as well.

smithrm65
09-05-2013, 01:54 PM
I hope for at least one EU figure per wave with 2 or 3 being PT and the rest OT if they are going to do eight figures per wave with four figures carry forward

tanksmasher
09-07-2013, 08:07 AM
So anymore rumors about Lobot? I thought he was on the short list.

my_kind_of_scum
09-07-2013, 08:11 AM
He was near the top of the parking lot for The Vintage Collection. Since they basically "reset" the parking lot with each new line, we're not sure where he stands. It was rumored that he had already been sculpted, not sure if that was confirmed or not.

Darth_Jawa
09-07-2013, 11:03 AM
He was near the top of the parking lot for The Vintage Collection. Since they basically "reset" the parking lot with each new line, we're not sure where he stands. It was rumored that he had already been sculpted, not sure if that was confirmed or not.

I believe that Lobot and Hammerhead were both retooled for the now defunct Vintage Target 3-Packs. If this is true, I'm hoping that Hasbro waits to release them when the Vintage cardbacks return since it's unlikely they would get another release any time soon after that. This Black Series packaging dreck cannot leave the pegs soon enough for me.

pohatu771
09-07-2013, 11:07 AM
With Vintage still going on as exclusives, I could see another set of these being released, at Target or another store. The second set, with a new figure in each, was a decent seller.

Trooper31
09-09-2013, 05:44 AM
I agree. I think we might see him in a TVC 3-pack.

Hammerhead would work because they could always put Ponda Baba in there as well and a lot of people missed out on him. A pack with Lobot could do well.

To be honest, though, if they bring out more 3-packs, I'd rather not see them follow the old line packs 1:1. The cantina pack could work with the original characters because we haven't seen Greedo in a while and Ponda was not easy for people in the US to find. However, a Bespin pack with Lobot, the mustached BSG, and the gray Ugnaught might be more interesting for people than one with Han and 3PO with Lobot.

Masterfett
09-09-2013, 12:50 PM
Just because TVC is gone, doesn't mean they still can't release these as target Exclusives. Remember that Exclusives fall outside the lines of normal releases.

Which I'd be fine with, I have no desire to see Lobot taking peg space yet again.
Personally I feel he should come in a BP with the new "Carbonite Han", Lt. Sheckil, and a bearded or Mustache BSG.

Ponda Baba and Hammerhead, or any of those patrons should be put into Cantina sets.

Trooper31
09-10-2013, 04:44 AM
I'm fine with TVC being put out as an exclusive wave, but I'd rather those figures like the Emperor, Sim Aloo, etc, just came out on any old card sooner rather waiting for the later (TVC), which might take longer than we think to come back.

duro
10-02-2013, 02:45 AM
So I guess we'll see these in Feb/March 2014. If these are true, then maybe 2014 really will be the year of the OT. Wave 4 is the key to all the rumors...

Idpullthecurtain
10-03-2013, 05:16 PM
So I guess we'll see these in Feb/March 2014. If these are true, then maybe 2014 really will be the year of the OT. Wave 4 is the key to all the rumors...

What rumours are you referring to?

my_kind_of_scum
10-03-2013, 05:52 PM
What are the chances we will be seeing this wave next week at NYCC? If it is due to hit around February, they'll want to show it before New York Toy Fair and there aren't any major trade shows between the two.

my_kind_of_scum
10-03-2013, 05:53 PM
What rumours are you referring to?

I think they're referring to the Luke/Yoda Dagobah, Toryn Farr rumors. (sorry for double post...)

Doop
10-06-2013, 02:44 PM
I think they're referring to the Luke/Yoda Dagobah, Toryn Farr rumors. (sorry for double post...)
They better be in wave 4. I've waited too long for a Toryn Farr.

duro
10-09-2013, 07:17 PM
Rumors being any figs listed that we haven't actually seen confirmed pics of yet--mainly, Luke and Yoda Dagobah, any Hoth updates (Wedge and Snowtrooper Commander, the latter of which has been requested for years), as well as anybody at all from ANH or any Jabba's goons, which have been hinted at through various channels--specifically Vizam, and of course Voren Na'al, A-wing Pilot, and Toryn. Also, rumors have indicated that Yak Face might be a 2014 offering. If Wave 4 really does feature a lot of these, then I might be more willing to believe that 2014 is a heavy OT year.

Droidworld
10-09-2013, 07:24 PM
This is how I would like to see this case assorted:

Simple:



2x Darth Vader - ROTS (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098858/)
2x Luke Skywalker - Jedi Training (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098853/)
2x Snowtrooper Commander (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098857/)
2x Toryn Farr (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1010836/)
2x Wedge Antilles - Snowspeeder Pilot (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098856/)
2x Yoda - Jedi Training (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098849/)

Doop
10-09-2013, 07:29 PM
This is how I would like to see this case assorted:

Simple:



2x Darth Vader - ROTS (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098858/)
2x Luke Skywalker - Jedi Training (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098853/)
2x Snowtrooper Commander (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098857/)
2x Toryn Farr (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1010836/)
2x Wedge Antilles - Snowspeeder Pilot (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098856/)
2x Yoda - Jedi Training (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098849/)


You need to work at Hasbro.

But the actual assortment is this

4x Darth vader-ROTS
1xSnowtrooper Commander
3x Biggs (carry forward)
1x Toryn Farr
1xLuke Skywalker
1x Wedge
1x Yoda

Michael_Knight
10-09-2013, 07:42 PM
^Is that true or a joke? I hope that's not the breakdown where Biggs is the new Mutt Williams.

Doop
10-09-2013, 07:48 PM
^Is that true or a joke? I hope that's not the breakdown where Biggs is the new Mutt Williams.
Joke. But I wouldn't be surprised if its true.

Shadow_Imperium
10-09-2013, 08:38 PM
That not funny...

Seriously though, I fear the days of having 2x the figures of that wave in a case are over. Look at Wave 2, 6 "new" figures the perfect number for doubling up, but it has only one of each with 6 carry forwards.

EnigmaticOne
10-09-2013, 09:00 PM
Not much I want from this wave. Just Yoda, and maybe Luke depending how he looks in person.

Cell
10-10-2013, 03:01 AM
Please, Hasbro, please!

2x Stromtrooper Commander :awesome:

Cell
10-10-2013, 03:41 AM
Edit: 2x Snowtrooper Commander of course :rolleyes:

DavidSkywalker
10-10-2013, 06:04 AM
Finally, a wave worth buying!

CMDR_Appo
10-10-2013, 08:15 AM
Snowtrooper is the inly one that remotely interests me in this wave. Might keep an eye on Vader to see how he turns out, but regardless, this is a pretty boring wave for me. Guess I'll have more cash for the next wave then!

Doop
10-10-2013, 01:56 PM
Looks like I'm picking up this wave, too!!

AgentClaret
10-10-2013, 02:39 PM
This wave just looks awful. I mean, good character choices but bad execution. Luke's arms look offensive, and who the heck sculpted that Vader?

After seeing the Black Collection, I'm not missing Star Wars collecting at all...

SnTrooper
10-10-2013, 02:48 PM
My guess for the case ratio:

1x Luke Skywalker - Dagobah
1x Yoda
1x Toryn Farr
1x Wedge Antilles
1x Snowtrooper Commander
1x Darth Vader - EIII
1x Merumeru
1x Darth Plageuis
1x Mace Windu
1x Commander Neyo
1x R2-D2
1x Pablo-Jill

DarthJefe
10-10-2013, 02:49 PM
And it seems that the pessimism continues. Some will NEVER be satisfied. I'm all in for all of these, even the Vader (It looks like the ROTS Vader).

CMDR_Appo
10-10-2013, 02:49 PM
This wave just looks awful. I mean, good character choices but bad execution. Luke's arms look offensive, and who the heck sculpted that Vader?

After seeing the Black Collection, I'm not missing Star Wars collecting at all...

They're prototypes dude. Finished products will be way different. I mean you can clearly see the questionable paint apps on luke. These figures are just there to say 'hey look what we're making!'. The finished ones will look way better!

Droidworld
10-10-2013, 04:27 PM
My guess for the case ratio:

1x Luke Skywalker - Dagobah
1x Yoda
1x Toryn Farr
1x Wedge Antilles
1x Snowtrooper Commander
1x Darth Vader - EIII
1x Merumeru
1x Darth Plageuis
1x Mace Windu
1x Commander Neyo
1x R2-D2
1x Pablo-Jill


Sadly, you are probably not that Farr... off. Really wish it was new figures only, packed two per case.

Billy_Ray
10-10-2013, 05:24 PM
Nice to be excited about the 3 3/4" line again! Loving the Yoda and Luke. Will most likely pick up the Snowtrooper and Toryn Farr (though I can't say I am "excited" about her)...will have to see Vader in hand.

Darth_Bones
10-10-2013, 09:19 PM
And it seems that the pessimism continues. Some will NEVER be satisfied. I'm all in for all of these, even the Vader (It looks like the ROTS Vader).

Agreed!!! And I'm pretty sure I read over at JTA that Hasbro indeed said this is ROTS Vader!!!

Vorax
10-10-2013, 10:18 PM
Snowtrooper , Yoda and Toryn Farr look the best. That Vader looks lousy and more like a microman disguised as Vader. Not sure on that kinda articulation as found , namely on another Luke figure plus I'm not used to it on a Star Wars figure looks to GI JOE or Toy Biz Marvel.

Trooper31
10-11-2013, 03:58 AM
I really hope Hasbro is smart and puts the commander in 2x in the initial case. That figure would sell out if it was packed in solid cases.

jediblood
10-11-2013, 07:00 AM
Maybe that Vader is a Rebels Vader.

Krayt
10-11-2013, 08:39 AM
Passed on wave 1 and looks like I am passing on wave 4

R1G4R3PO
10-11-2013, 08:55 AM
Maybe that Vader is a Rebels Vader.

interesting idea...but if rots/haden vader then that expains the lean build

CMDR_Appo
10-11-2013, 09:59 AM
Vader is vader to me, so if I do buy it, it'll be as a definitive rather than movie specific.

Masterfett
10-11-2013, 11:21 AM
And it seems that the pessimism continues. Some will NEVER be satisfied. I'm all in for all of these, even the Vader (It looks like the ROTS Vader).
It's not pessimism for me, it's outright disgust over getting the same old same old! Only this time they try to lure people in, by being slightly different. Granted there are a few superb figures here, but you'll have to excuse me for not getting excited over seeing the exact same thing every year.


They're prototypes dude. Finished products will be way different. I mean you can clearly see the questionable paint apps on luke. These figures are just there to say 'hey look what we're making!'. The finished ones will look way better!
For me its' not the paint apps, I fully understand they're prototypes. It's the route they took with the joints, I Don't like MU style articulation!
And IMO they don't belong on a SW figure, it totally ruins the aesthetics IMO!

I don't get why they waste money on new tooling, just to make it seem like we're getting something new. When they have perfectly good sculpts to use for that character! Then they complain that there's no budget for the figures we actually want made...

If it's a core character, there's a 90% chance I don't need it. The only reason I'll buy Yoda, is because they finally got the head sculpt right, but I haven't bought a figure of him since TAC. I also have no plans to ever buy another Vader, no matter what they do with him. Especially any figure that sports MU hips!

CMDR_Appo
10-11-2013, 02:18 PM
Yeah, I get the new articulation, that wasn't the point of my post. I'm saying that people need to hold off the 'they look dodgy' comments, because as prototypes, joints are often placed wrong or whatever. We may get to a finished product where all the joints/proportions look great.

I actually do agree with you on not having Marvel style articulation. I imagine it's just a one off to represent Luke properly. He is super athletic on Dagobah, so perhaps it's just hasbro giving us the ability to represent his scenes properly. I mean the snowtrooper doesn't have it all, so it is kinda one offish.

Obi_Wan_Kaboozie
10-11-2013, 02:58 PM
This is the first wave of the Black Series that I've gotten (mostly) excited about. Dagobah Luke and Yoda are the sorely needed definitive updates we've been waiting for (Luke having double elbows!), and Snowtrooper Commander and Toryn Farr have been on wishlists for quite some time now and look flawless. This is proof that somebody over at the Brave New Hasbro is still listening. Wedge isn't such a big deal on his own, but he's nice for completing the Hoth set. Vader looks lousy, but it's still a prototype, and it's only another Vader. A) He could still turn out okay, and B) If he doesn't, so the hell what. It's way more important that they got Luke, Yoda, SnoCo, and Toryn right. Geez Louise people-- with all that Movie Heroes and Saga Legends crap, and the seeming switch of Hasbro's emphasis over to 6", this wave is something worth celebrating.

Masterfett
10-11-2013, 09:06 PM
I imagine that they wanted the figure to achieve the crossed legs sitting position, But I's gladly give up being able to pose him that way if it means I get a decent looking figure.

duro
10-11-2013, 10:11 PM
True that.

AgentClaret
10-11-2013, 10:50 PM
They're prototypes dude. Finished products will be way different. I mean you can clearly see the questionable paint apps on luke. These figures are just there to say 'hey look what we're making!'. The finished ones will look way better!

I know, I didn't say anything about paint aps! Just the figures themselves look horrible.

CMDR_Appo
10-12-2013, 06:46 AM
I know, I didn't say anything about paint aps! Just the figures themselves look horrible.

Yeah I know, I was just highlighting that thru the bad paint apps, you can tell they're prototypes, therefore other stuff may be dodgy like articulation points and whatnot.

mandalorehunter
10-12-2013, 09:20 AM
What really puzzles me is the articulation on Lukes arm. I wonder why they made those joints under his shoulders?

my_kind_of_scum
10-12-2013, 12:48 PM
What really puzzles me is the articulation on Lukes arm. I wonder why they made those joints under his shoulders?

That bicep swivel allows for a lot more mobility. Even though I don't really need the ball jointed hips, I really like the new arm articulation that he has, personally.

TheForce5
10-12-2013, 05:53 PM
The Luke is reminding me of a scaled down Marvel Legends/6 inch Black Series figure, which could be a good thing in the long run as long as they stay in scale with past SA figures. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Doop
10-14-2013, 07:23 PM
What really puzzles me is the articulation on Lukes arm. I wonder why they made those joints under his shoulders?
Probably for handstands.

JediMerc
10-19-2013, 09:57 AM
What really puzzles me is the articulation on Lukes arm. I wonder why they made those joints under his shoulders?


Probably for handstands.

Or to allow full range of motion so he can actually look like he's holding the backpack straps.

SaberSonic83
12-02-2013, 08:04 PM
Snowtrooper Commander and a new Dagobah Luke not coming out on vintage cards is gonna be like a knife in the gut. TBS should stand for 'total ********'.

I hope you don't mind if I quote this forever in my profile! Thumbs entirely up

Darth_Bones
12-03-2013, 01:10 AM
Ok, so there's six new figures in this wave, all of which are ESB figures, what are the chances that Hasbro does something like the "lost line" wave and double pack these, but one set on BS cards, and the other on VC cards??? Hmmmm!!!! Now that would be sweet!!!!!

Darth_Bones
12-03-2013, 01:18 AM
Just realized Vader is from ROTS, damn, oh well, it was worth the day dream!!! Lol

GNT
12-03-2013, 01:26 AM
Ok, so there's six new figures in this wave, all of which are ESB figures, what are the chances that Hasbro does something like the "lost line" wave and double pack these, but one set on BS cards, and the other on VC cards??? Hmmmm!!!! Now that would be sweet!!!!!

Vintage is gone for now....let it go....let it go....

my_kind_of_scum
12-03-2013, 09:38 AM
With wave 3 now out, we should be seeing final versions of these soon, I would think. Of course, with the sorry state these figures were in when we saw them, they may still not be final...

CMDR_Appo
12-03-2013, 10:03 AM
Well series 3 hasn't hit everywhere yet, so I still think it's early days for wave 4. Their eta was around the time of toyfair next year anyways, so they may just hold till then to show them off, leaving all the time now to fully distribute and sell through waves 1-3.

lordtyrannus
12-03-2013, 10:09 AM
Well series 3 hasn't hit everywhere yet, so I still think it's early days for wave 4. Their eta was around the time of toyfair next year anyways, so they may just hold till then to show them off, leaving all the time now to fully distribute and sell through waves 1-3.

Hell, Wave 2 hasn't even hit everywhere in the U.S. :-)

R1G4R3PO
12-03-2013, 10:12 AM
^ or at least see online wave 4 pre-orders starting popping up would be nice too

DarthJefe
12-03-2013, 09:19 PM
Now that I'm almost caught up, I can stomach the wait for Wave 4 while I concentrate on bills, holiday shopping and maybe SW Lego, even though Lego will almost certainly be still availible for several months at least.

my_kind_of_scum
12-03-2013, 09:49 PM
Hell, Wave 2 hasn't even hit everywhere in the U.S. :-)

No stores in my area carry the 3 3/4" Black Series anymore, so if they're out online, I consider them out since that's the only way that I will see them. Didn't mean they were out in full force at retail. Where are people finding figures these days? My Target never carried the line and both local Wal-Mart stores quit restocking a couple of months ago (and they have none left on the pegs - and no TVC or 3d figures left - and none showing in inventory). I don't have a TRU in my state, so maybe that's where I'm missing out?

lordtyrannus
12-03-2013, 11:37 PM
No stores in my area carry the 3 3/4" Black Series anymore, so if they're out online, I consider them out since that's the only way that I will see them. Didn't mean they were out in full force at retail. Where are people finding figures these days? My Target never carried the line and both local Wal-Mart stores quit restocking a couple of months ago (and they have none left on the pegs - and no TVC or 3d figures left - and none showing in inventory). I don't have a TRU in my state, so maybe that's where I'm missing out?

I've only seen wave 1 anywhere here in SC, where I have 4 local Targets, 9 Walmarts, and 2 TRU stores. I don't know that anything beyond the first wave will even hit before spring around here, if at all.

CMDR_Appo
12-04-2013, 07:19 AM
Here, we've had regular stock all year starting with the green carded legends and CW figures, then moving onto the new legends figures and now the black series. You can readily find waves 1 and 2 tbs at the moment, but there is no sign of wave 3 yet. Going off what independents are saying, they'll only show up post december 31st anyways.

Trooper31
12-04-2013, 08:26 AM
Some stores here have gotten wave 2 and others are still stuck on wave 1. The last I heard TRUs should be getting a small amount of wave 3 next week and then more after Christmas. There's also talk that most places won't get wave 3 in Germany until Jan/Feb 2014. I guess it all depeneds on how things sell through.

Rogue1969
12-04-2013, 06:33 PM
Vintage is gone for now....let it go....let it go....

The Five Stages of TVC Grief:

1. Denial - "TVC can't be gone. There are still some hanging on the pegs."

2. Anger - "I can't believe that stupid Hasbro cancelled TVC! What the $%*# are they THINKING?!"

3. Bargaining - "Okay, we won't ask for playsets or a Death Star anymore. PLEASE just bring Vintage cards back."

4. Depression - "It's not even worth going to the stores anymore. Everything is just Angry Birds crap."

5. Acceptance - "At least we'll be getting Darth Plagueis, Toryn Farr, and a new Snowtrooper Commander. They look pretty good."

6. Back to Anger - "But they won't be on Vintage cardbacks! Damn You, Hasbro! Damn you to Hell!"

CMDR_Appo
12-04-2013, 06:44 PM
The joys of being an opener!
'oh that packaging has changed- oh well!'

So less grief as an opener :)

DarthJefe
12-05-2013, 11:47 PM
I wonder what's going to be carried forward into this wave? If it were up to me, I'd carry forward Padme (I doubt she'll be easy to find after Christmas), Pablo, Mara, Plagueis, Merumeru, and Neyo (or the corrected, and only the corrected, 41st Clone) for this wave. With our luck, we'll get more Wave 1 and Wave 2 duds like R2 and the Stormtrooper...

QuiGonJohn
12-06-2013, 03:21 AM
I wonder what's going to be carried forward into this wave? If it were up to me, I'd carry forward Padme (I doubt she'll be easy to find after Christmas), Pablo, Mara, Plagueis, Merumeru, and Neyo (or the corrected, and only the corrected, 41st Clone) for this wave. With our luck, we'll get more Wave 1 and Wave 2 duds like R2 and the Stormtrooper...


I bet that^^

if Hasbro took data off their own freakin website they would make sure carry forwards were the figures that sold out in minutes each time they we're put up but hey-ho, that would be sensible business......and anyone that's followed Has for the last 18 years knows good sound business is another world they don't visit too often.

Trooper31
12-06-2013, 07:39 AM
I'd personally like to see the snowtrooper commander, Yoda, and Luke double up in the case (6) then 1x each Vader, Wedge, and Torynn Farr (takes us to 9), and then three decent cfs.

I have a feeling, due to his size and weight, that Merumeru will not get cf'd. I'd like to see him carried forward, but I can see some bean counter at Hasbro balking at such a large figure being made too often.

DarthJefe
12-06-2013, 07:49 AM
I'd personally like to see the snowtrooper commander, Yoda, and Luke double up in the case (6) then 1x each Vader, Wedge, and Torynn Farr (takes us to 9), and then three decent cfs.

I have a feeling, due to his size and weight, that Merumeru will not get cf'd. I'd like to see him carried forward, but I can see some bean counter at Hasbro balking at such a large figure being made too often.

Considering that the Saga Legends Yoda is the only figure from that collection that seems to be selling consistently, I'd be in favor of Yoda being doubled up. Luke would be an interesting case, considering his unique engineering. Snowtrooper Cmdr makes sense for many of us collectors, but the average store buyer doesn't army build $10 toys. I feel that, judging by their online polularity, Mara and Plagueis are no brainers to carry forwad.

Trooper31
12-09-2013, 05:09 AM
Mara and Plagueis would ne intelligent cfs. The only problem is hat Hasbro made the case packings well before wave 3 went on sale, so who knows what will actually end up being in the case.

parintachin73
12-09-2013, 07:41 PM
Mara and Plagueis would ne intelligent cfs. The only problem is hat Hasbro made the case packings well before wave 3 went on sale, so who knows what will actually end up being in the case.

That coupled with the fact that Hasbro's ability to carry forward popular EU figures seems nil. I've gotten in several discussions on this and other boards where people have argued with me to no end that the popularity of EU characters is just a collector based "myth" and that the fact that traditionally EU characters fetch the most $ in the secondary market is also reflective of any "real" popularity in terms of sales. Well, to all those people who have disputed with me, I offer you these two current examples...Mara Jade and Darth Plagueis. Both selling like hot cakes with Plagueis easily fetching the most $ of any black series figure to date.

darth_sidious
12-09-2013, 08:16 PM
It would be wise of Hasbro to release Plagueis as a carry-forward in wave 4, as I completely agree that fan favorite EU characters are great sellers.

EnigmaticOne
12-09-2013, 10:28 PM
While I do agree that EU sells, both wave 2 and 3 aren't even in full swing (especially 3). And ebay prices are hardly the basis for demand. Anyone could just raise the price and leave it as a buy-it-now; while others follow suit with similar prices.

Although, I do want to see where Hasbro has stated that EU figures are made in less quantities. Which is the argument tossed around against us EU fans.

CMDR_Appo
12-09-2013, 11:18 PM
I dunno about lower production numbers, but EU suffere a lot due to distribution. They often get thrown into back-end, exclusive or just in general poorly distributed waves. I mean we had to go to Amazon for the last VC waves for the Rep Trooper, Ahsoka etc (who wouldn't even ship outside US at the time), then the Bastila wave seems to have just hit my area, no where else. Malgus' was rather sporadic as were older waves like for Revan and Malak. They could be making more of them for all we know, but thanks to bad distribution, no where is seeing them save for 1 or 2 places who buy 'em up.

I think Mara won't need a wave 4 CF. She seems to have had her fill for most, and the ebay prices are relatively low now. As for plagueis, I couldn't say yet. Wave 3 only hits here in the UK from January, and going off that date, it seems everywhere else will get that timeframe too since the wave hasn't shown up much yet. After Jan, we'll probably be better able to see how that wave fares.

Trooper31
12-10-2013, 10:17 AM
I'd assume that since Darth P. is so thin and needs less plastic, he might also be a cheaper (productions-wise) cf than Merumeru.

darth_sidious
12-10-2013, 11:48 AM
I think the best way to determine demand is to see how often an item sells out at various online stores - Plagueis has sold out on HTS every single time its been put up, to me, that's very telling. Retail stores are difficult to assess because certain items do well in some areas and are stagnant in others. Ebay can help determine demand, but usually after the item is out of circulation for awhile...

SaberSonic83
12-10-2013, 05:23 PM
I also think those Amazon exclusive VC waves should be brought out to retail like the 5 Below run they did before. They clearly need to bring back the Royal Guard. I just don't want to see it in the black series, I definitely want the Vintage card. Since Toryn never had a Vintage card back, I'm OK with her just as is. Although a Vintage card for a lot these Wave 4 figures would look awesome.

DarthJefe
12-10-2013, 09:11 PM
I think the best way to determine demand is to see how often an item sells out at various online stores - Plagueis has sold out on HTS every single time its been put up, to me, that's very telling. Retail stores are difficult to assess because certain items do well in some areas and are stagnant in others. Ebay can help determine demand, but usually after the item is out of circulation for awhile...

Mara has become easier to attain, so I'm starting to think carrying her forward to Wave 4 may not be necessary. Plagueis, however, is a no-brainer to carry forward. Hopefully we'll find out more about this Wave's release and get hi-res pics before the new year.

Meesa_Mike
12-16-2013, 11:13 AM
Does anyone else feel that they'll postpone this wave until August? Hasbro seems oblivious to damage control, so I'm inclined to think they will drag this out until summer, reasoning that collectors are insisting on more wave 1 figures.

lordtyrannus
12-16-2013, 12:10 PM
No, but I'm guessing it'll be spring before we see Wave 4 online or at retail. Waves 2 and 3 have BARELY hit retail, so we'll probably see an onslaught of those for the next couple of months. They'll most likely show Wave 4 final product at Toy Fair, with prototypes of Wave 5 on display as well.

smithrm65
12-16-2013, 12:24 PM
The best way to know is to check walmarts system again, i pre ordered wave 3 and had to return a few figures to walmart and they all showed up in the system by name already

Masterfett
12-16-2013, 12:31 PM
Who the heck is insisting on more wave one figures? Aren't they already pegwarming in most areas? August seems a bit too far off to wait though, even if they want to try and get more of waves 2 and 3 out. Although I'm not even sure why that is needed, most everyone has gotten their figure via the internet from either Amazon, HTS or whoever. Plus the spattering of TBS that has hit retail. By the time August hits, I would hope to be into wave 6 and for something to finally write home about!

As for wave 4 I only need two figures, Toryn Farr and the Snow Commander. Then I'll be finished until the next waves, so it's not like I'll have to be scouring the countryside to get everything. I'll either wait for HTS, ebay, or trade for them.

CMDR_Appo
12-16-2013, 01:51 PM
Wave 4 is slated for february. Don't see why they'd change it now since it's 2 months away, well in range of the 6 week gap they wish to keep between waves.

Atari
12-16-2013, 04:12 PM
I've yet to see anything but Wave 1 on the shelf of the stores in my area. It would be nice to see something else, but I think the stores set their reorder level at zero, so nothing gets ordered. Oh well, I'm just down to needing Plagueis and I'm done with wave 3.

Rune_Haako
12-17-2013, 04:21 AM
I've yet to see anything but Wave 1 on the shelf of the stores in my area.

Ditto to that.

CMDR_Appo
12-17-2013, 05:09 AM
We're upto date here which is saying something since we're normally way behind the US. I do however think this is because everything is selling here. While you guys are reporting places of pegwarming, as soon as we get figures in, they start shifting, even the so called 'duds' from series 1.

Trooper31
12-17-2013, 05:53 AM
Wave 4 is slated for february. Don't see why they'd change it now since it's 2 months away, well in range of the 6 week gap they wish to keep between waves.


I agree. I think Hasbro wants to give the fall waves a chance to get bought up during the Christmas rush and possible after Christmas sales in January.

The one odd thing is that most collectors in the US have only seen wave 1 at retail and most wave 2 and 3 figures have been bought online. I wonder if Hasbro made less of wave 2, so the retailers could clear through wave 1. Either way, I have the feeling that some retailers won't see wave 2 and wil probably just get wave 3 then.

By February, I think the shelves will be ready for wave 4. A store nearby had three scout troopers 10 days ago and now they're all gone, so some of the slower figures are moving.

QuiGonJohn
12-17-2013, 08:05 AM
Apart from the odd Biggs or Anakin no we don't get much hanging around on the pegs here but......stores such as TRU and the Entertainer usually only have one or two pegs for the Black series anyway so case quantities per store are way down on what previous series would have had. Miss that one/ two day window to get a Mara or Plagueis and you're left with Evilbay. In contrast TRUs are stuffed to overflowing with Mission/saga crap ......which shows Hasbro UK's usual genius for getting the right product into stores.

I'm expecting wave 4 to make it here (I'm feeling optimistic today) but as above it will be in blink-and-you miss it quantities.

matto
12-17-2013, 10:37 AM
I agree. I think Hasbro wants to give the fall waves a chance to get bought up during the Christmas rush and possible after Christmas sales in January.

The one odd thing is that most collectors in the US have only seen wave 1 at retail and most wave 2 and 3 figures have been bought online. I wonder if Hasbro made less of wave 2, so the retailers could clear through wave 1. Either way, I have the feeling that some retailers won't see wave 2 and wil probably just get wave 3 then.

By February, I think the shelves will be ready for wave 4. A store nearby had three scout troopers 10 days ago and now they're all gone, so some of the slower figures are moving.

If stores here skipped at least wave 2 and went to wave 3 or 4, I'd be excited with that. Unfortunately, constant restocks of wave 1 are very depressing and confusing. I'm not sure what hope there is unless they do start skipping a few waves. I've purchased what I wanted from waves 2 & 3 already now, although I know many people would like to still see wave 3. But I'm all about seeing wave 4, a wave worth truly hitting stores. I'm not too optimistic about that though. I'll be ready to do my online shopping around February.

UKHistory
12-17-2013, 11:07 AM
I have a greater appreciation for packaging than I used to have. However, the only reason I have figures unopened is I don't have space for a diorama right now.

The latest droid factory is pretty nice for packaging. But I want to open my stuff.



The Five Stages of TVC Grief:

1. Denial - "TVC can't be gone. There are still some hanging on the pegs."

2. Anger - "I can't believe that stupid Hasbro cancelled TVC! What the $%*# are they THINKING?!"

3. Bargaining - "Okay, we won't ask for playsets or a Death Star anymore. PLEASE just bring Vintage cards back."

4. Depression - "It's not even worth going to the stores anymore. Everything is just Angry Birds crap."

5. Acceptance - "At least we'll be getting Darth Plagueis, Toryn Farr, and a new Snowtrooper Commander. They look pretty good."

6. Back to Anger - "But they won't be on Vintage cardbacks! Damn You, Hasbro! Damn you to Hell!"

Stevesvws82
12-17-2013, 11:31 AM
The best way to know is to check walmarts system again, i pre ordered wave 3 and had to return a few figures to walmart and they all showed up in the system by name already

By name meaning each individual figure? Usually the codes are the same when you scan them.

Meesa_Mike
12-18-2013, 11:30 AM
No, but I'm guessing it'll be spring before we see Wave 4 online or at retail... They'll most likely show Wave 4 final product at Toy Fair, with prototypes of Wave 5 on display as well.

I really hope you are right. I worry because we've only seen very proto prototypes - no packaging pics. I just have a bad feeling in my stomach that they won't be out until late summer - or maybe it's because of all the holiday cookies I've been mass consuming.

lordtyrannus
12-18-2013, 01:13 PM
I really hope you are right. I worry because we've only seen very proto prototypes - no packaging pics. I just have a bad feeling in my stomach that they won't be out until late summer - or maybe it's because of all the holiday cookies I've been mass consuming.

They were listed as "spring 2014" in Hasbro's slides from NYCC, so April is a good bet, and they wouldn't have packaged pics yet. Like you said, these were VERY early prototypes.

DarthJefe
12-21-2013, 12:49 PM
They were listed as "spring 2014" in Hasbro's slides from NYCC, so April is a good bet, and they wouldn't have packaged pics yet. Like you said, these were VERY early prototypes.

I say Marchish. Sometines we get things pretty quickly. Does Hasbro still do the European toy show in January? I remember that we got good reveals in 2011 (TVC Wave 6, which hit March 2011) and 2012 (Vizla, Starkiller, and Vintage Nikto). If they do, we'll probably learn a lot more then.

CMDR_Appo
12-21-2013, 01:41 PM
The wave is slated for Feb as is (posted this a few pages back), and Hasbro kind of do the London Toy Fair. They're never big on their offerings there, but they've always shown a few figures, so we may get to see them then, right before release. The first big reveal will be at the US toyfair no doubt, but at that point, we should already have reports of them in the wild in some places, if not the US. Judging by how effective UK distribution is at the moment (we have wave 3 in decent release numbers), I'd imagine we'll get them properly before the US again.

Trooper31
12-23-2013, 06:55 AM
If hasbro shows Wave 4, carded, at either the London show or the Nürnberg show, then I'd say that TF might be more interesting.

I admit that it seems odd that we haven't had any packaged pics leak yet. I'm sure there's nothing wrong at this point and the only thing I could see keeping Hasbro from showing pics is that they made a packaging change and want to show that off at a show first.

CMDR_Appo
12-23-2013, 07:32 AM
OR it could just be the fact that 1) it's Christmas- they're either very busy or need a break like everyone else, perhaps both. 2) Since Wave 3 is only officially out in January for some places, there's no need to show pics yet as there's still upto date product to get out there before heading to completely new waves.
I don't think there's an issue or anything to worry about.

lordtyrannus
12-23-2013, 09:16 AM
Yeah and if you look at the prototypes, it looks like several of them were glued together on the way to the show. I'm sure this is probably the earliest we've seen protos before, and they weren't really an official reveal but rather a bone thrown to collectors at the party. If I worked for Hasbro, I'd hate showing ANYTHING to collectors these days, as most reveals lead to riots because Yoda's cane is the wrong shade of brown or Luke's crotch isn't up to par. :-). In all honesty though, post-reveal time is the most exciting time to be on the forums. Bring on TF!

Vorax
01-14-2014, 10:21 PM
Any word on release?

lordtyrannus
01-14-2014, 10:52 PM
Any word on release?

I predict we'll see these and be given a release date at Toy Fair next month. Either that or we'll be told the SA line is going away due to collectors not being interested in army building Biggs Darkighter and Anakin, thus causing a back up in the SW section.

Vorax
01-14-2014, 11:27 PM
Guess Biggs isnt a big seller,lol. Perhaps the Toy Fair scenario is logical, ok.

Snaggletooth
01-15-2014, 12:48 PM
The Five Stages of TVC Grief:

1. Denial - "TVC can't be gone. There are still some hanging on the pegs."

2. Anger - "I can't believe that stupid Hasbro cancelled TVC! What the $%*# are they THINKING?!"

3. Bargaining - "Okay, we won't ask for playsets or a Death Star anymore. PLEASE just bring Vintage cards back."

4. Depression - "It's not even worth going to the stores anymore. Everything is just Angry Birds crap."

5. Acceptance - "At least we'll be getting Darth Plagueis, Toryn Farr, and a new Snowtrooper Commander. They look pretty good."

6. Back to Anger - "But they won't be on Vintage cardbacks! Damn You, Hasbro! Damn you to Hell!"
Hah! :grin: That's me in a nutshell, especially #6. Just kills me to think of Ceremony Luke, Padme, Toryn, etc. on TVC cards. :\

SaberSonic83
01-15-2014, 04:20 PM
Hah! :grin: That's me in a nutshell, especially #6. Just kills me to think of Ceremony Luke, Padme, Toryn, etc. on TVC cards. :\


Me too! But I'll NEVER stop asking for playsets, they are the most imaginative part of action figure collecting and essential IMO.

Michael_Knight
01-15-2014, 05:38 PM
I predict we'll see these and be given a release date at Toy Fair next month. Either that or we'll be told the SA line is going away due to collectors not being interested in army building Biggs Darkighter and Anakin, thus causing a back up in the SW section.


Maybe we should have Dark Horse, err I mean Marvel write comics to help troubled pegwarmers. Their new issue should be how an army of pilots is cloned of of Biggs template and each squadron is led by a clone of Anakin. It would be a great joint venture for Hasbro where Marvel can save them from all **** poor case assortments.

LetoQuorme
01-22-2014, 03:37 PM
JTA Rumor Report: The Black Series Wave 4 And Wave 5 Revealed? (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13043)

Wave 4
Wedge Antilles [Snowspeeder Pilot] (x2)
Darth Vader [Episode III] (x2)
Ree-Yees (x2)
Sergeant Doallyn (x2)
AT-RT Driver (VC46 repack) (x2)
Republic Trooper (VC113 repack) (x2)

Wave 5
Luke Skywalker [Dagobah Training] (x2)
Yoda [Dagobah Training] (x2)
Snowtrooper Commander (x2)
Toryn Farr (x2)
Dack Ralter (VC07 repack) (x2)
Bastila Shan (VC69 repack) (x2)

EddieU
01-22-2014, 03:42 PM
JTA Rumor Report: The Black Series Wave 4 And Wave 5 Revealed? (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13043)

Wave 4
Wedge Antilles [Snowspeeder Pilot] (x2)
Darth Vader [Episode III] (x2)
Ree-Yees (x2)
Sergeant Doallyn (x2)
AT-RT Driver (VC46 repack) (x2)
Republic Trooper (VC113 repack) (x2)


Can't wait to see how Ree-Yees turned out. I hope they include a glass, so that he and (a hopefully inevitable) Yak Face can carry on their drunken sail barge convo.

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080328003760/starwars/images/e/ea/Saelt-Marae_Ree-Yees.jpg

expedestrians
01-22-2014, 04:11 PM
Hope this is true. Put me down for everything bar Vader and the clones

Michael_Knight
01-22-2014, 04:24 PM
It looks like they are finally taking advice, six figure waves and no carry forwards. This should hopefully allow figures to move and avoid log jams.

parintachin73
01-22-2014, 04:57 PM
Wow. That looks too good to be true. And not only repacking Bastila but putting 2 in a case??!! That just makes too much sense for Hasbro.

Snaggletooth
01-22-2014, 05:36 PM
Can't wait to see how Ree-Yees turned out. I hope they include a glass, so that he and (a hopefully inevitable) Yak Face can carry on their drunken sail barge convo.

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080328003760/starwars/images/e/ea/Saelt-Marae_Ree-Yees.jpg

Whoah, is Yak holding Salacious like a puppy? o-o :) Can this be seen in the movie, or just on-set pics?

Anyway, these waves look a little more interesting than 1-3. Would have been cool to get Bastila in wave 4 and then Echo Base Soldier in wave 5 to go with all the other ESB figs. And maybe to get a new Cantina guy rather than another Jabba's Goon (as we just got Vizam). Still, not bad.

patrickdurfee
01-22-2014, 05:57 PM
Looks like we finally get Sgt Doallyn ahem Brock this tine

EmperorPalpitate
01-22-2014, 06:06 PM
Whoa! Figures I actually want to buy! What a concept! Can't wait to see Ree-Yees and Doallyn. Still bums me out knowing that they were originally slated for TVC. Maybe in the same way some TVC figures are being re-released here, we'll see these two again on vintage cards some day.

Idpullthecurtain
01-22-2014, 06:13 PM
It would be nice for this rumour to be true. JTA has a pretty patchy record though(?), so I will wait and see.

Jertej1
01-22-2014, 06:39 PM
Im ready for the ReeYees and Doallyn. Any and all aliens especially Jabba's dudes are definite buyers for me.

Masterfett
01-22-2014, 09:38 PM
I'll believe all this when I see it!

patrickdurfee
01-22-2014, 10:46 PM
Doallyn is actually Brock now. Thanks alot to Star Wars Insider

kk1
01-22-2014, 11:48 PM
Doallyn is actually Brock now. Thanks alot to Star Wars Insider

They are still 2 different characters (with the same helmet) the one on the skiff finally has a name to differentiate him. Until we see it we're not going to know which one we're getting.

bobbyjack
01-23-2014, 12:11 AM
I had no idea who Doallyn was until I looked him up on Wookieepedia. Guess I have to turn in my Star Wars fan club membership card.

BlackRook
01-23-2014, 02:46 AM
I had no idea who Doallyn was until I looked him up on Wookieepedia. Guess I have to turn in my Star Wars fan club membership card.
I thought I knew who he was but this whole name thing has gotten so ridiculous that I no longer care who's Doallyn and who's Brock. Just give me "Jabba's Goon with That One Helmet with the Tubes" and call it a day.

CMDR_Appo
01-23-2014, 03:58 AM
Surely that's just wishful thinking on someone's account. Why would hasbro suddenly wise up and give people that good a selection of figures? I mean they can't even get a 7 year old clone trooper paint job right but they're gonna do this? Seems a little off to me. Also, had wave 4 not been locked in already for us? Why would they then split the wave and spread it across 2, then add a few repacks people wanted but said would never happen? It just isn't hasbro's style to give everyone something they want!

Idpullthecurtain
01-23-2014, 06:54 AM
I really hope we are getting a Doallyn figure. But it will be interesting to see who they make. I really hope its the guy off the second skiff.

redwillow
01-23-2014, 07:56 AM
Surely that's just wishful thinking on someone's account. Why would hasbro suddenly wise up and give people that good a selection of figures? I mean they can't even get a 7 year old clone trooper paint job right but they're gonna do this? Seems a little off to me. Also, had wave 4 not been locked in already for us? Why would they then split the wave and spread it across 2, then add a few repacks people wanted but said would never happen? It just isn't hasbro's style to give everyone something they want!
Yeah, bastila shan....an exp universe figure.......repacked in the black series? At 2 per case? Def not holding my breath for that.

matt292
01-23-2014, 10:43 AM
Don't want to be a negative stick in the mud, but I kind of hope that rumour doesn't pan out.

Having a Snowspeeder Wedge and a repack of Dak in consecutive waves seems a bit samey? I'm looking forward to Snowspeeder Wedge, but I'd rather see a different pilot, heck even a Snowspeeder Hobbie before Dak comes out again.

Likewise, having 2 different Old Republic EU themed characters consecutively seems a bit strange, especially as they're not the same "Old Republic" timeframes?

We'll find out soon enough :) I guess I'm just not overly excited about having VC repacks in the Black Series...

parintachin73
01-23-2014, 12:32 PM
I'm super skeptical but also really hoping this pans out. Although I already have Bastila I would love to have another for a Satele custom, just not at $50. And there seem to be a LOT of people who never even got a whiff of Bastila when she was originally released so if they're going to repack anything this seems like a really sound choice. Which is exactly what me skeptical about this rumor. Just seems to be too good to be true.
Next they'll be releasing a new, accurate, Darth Revan figure in the black series!
Insanity!!!!!!!!
(But in all seriousness Hasbro, let's make that happen!)

SnTrooper
01-23-2014, 12:50 PM
This is Hasbro we are talking about. The fact that there are things that don't make sense makes it more believable to me. Two snowspeeder pilots, repacking Dack and the AT-RT Driver (that almost no one asked for) instead of/before much more desired figures (Royal Guard, Echo Base Trooper, Ponda Baba, Starkiller, etc), having the repacks at the same ratio as the new figures, not carring forward Plageuis, these are all things Hasbro would do.

rrighteous
01-23-2014, 01:33 PM
This is Hasbro we are talking about. The fact that there are things that don't make sense makes it more believable to me. Two snowspeeder pilots, repacking Dack and the AT-RT Driver (that almost no one asked for) instead of/before much more desired figures (Royal Guard, Echo Base Trooper, Ponda Baba, Starkiller, etc), having the repacks at the same ratio as the new figures, not carring forward Plageuis, these are all things Hasbro would do.

Agreed totally - and where is my repacked Shae Vizla!!!! Ulic Qel Droma and Exar Kun would be great too (or to do a special revival of a comic pack or something. I like me my Old Republic figs!

Masterfett
01-23-2014, 03:04 PM
Having a Snowspeeder Wedge and a repack of Dak in consecutive waves seems a bit samey? I'm looking forward to Snowspeeder Wedge, but I'd rather see a different pilot, heck even a Snowspeeder Hobbie before Dak comes out again.
That one does seem odd, those two should definitely be at 1X per case. Or not even in the same one at all.

Honestly what they should do with some of those HTF CP figures, and even some other HTF EU figures. Plus the unreleased CP etc. figures, is to do up some Exclusive Battle Packs! They've got enough figures from several sources to do some solid multipacks, KotOR/TOR could have several made alone! Then a few form other sources as well.

mandalorehunter
01-23-2014, 08:16 PM
I'm super skeptical but also really hoping this pans out. Although I already have Bastila I would love to have another for a Satele custom, just not at $50. And there seem to be a LOT of people who never even got a whiff of Bastila when she was originally released so if they're going to repack anything this seems like a really sound choice. Which is exactly what me skeptical about this rumor. Just seems to be too good to be true.
Next they'll be releasing a new, accurate, Darth Revan figure in the black series!
Insanity!!!!!!!!
(But in all seriousness Hasbro, let's make that happen!)

Of all figures that were seldom found at retail, Bastila is a really sound choice to repack considering she was a Fans Choice figure! It does seem a little bit too good to be true but if there is anything false about the report, I hope it's just in the case breakdowns. I don't ever remember seeing a flat 2x per case of each figure.

Krayt
01-23-2014, 08:33 PM
So the rumour about Captain Rex in wave 5 was wrong...
guess I have nothing to buy for awhile after I get Plageius

Doop
01-23-2014, 10:08 PM
I'm all for the rumors. I'll buy bastila becuase I don't have the weapons to mine, and probably the republic trooper becuase I missed that one. Oh yeah, Ree Yees also.

Lets hope habrotoyshop has these because the odds of finding them in retail are 3,720 to 1.

Yodaminch
01-24-2014, 09:39 AM
I'm all for the rumors. I'll buy bastila becuase I don't have the weapons to mine, and probably the republic trooper becuase I missed that one. Oh yeah, Ree Yees also.

Lets hope habrotoyshop has these because the odds of finding them in retail are 3,720 to 1.

If the rumor is true, I would gladly buy a case of Wave 5. Two Yodas, Two Bastilas, Two of Luke, Snowtroopers. The only one I'd feel 'stuck with' is Dak and I can live with that. Wave 4 on the other hand, I'm not wild about, but it will probably sell. Vader always sells. The Old Republic Trooper will sell. I'd buy a few more for army building. Ree-Yees and Doallyn might sit if the wave is excessively shipped though. AT-RT may be the same way if 5 Below was any indication. Wedge should do fine though. My only fear is if they excessively ship wave 4 and then wave 5 can't get out.

WayneStarActionF
01-24-2014, 11:47 AM
From the early UK trade list the assortment for wave 4 is

Luke Skywalker [Dagobah Training] (x2)
Yoda [Dagobah Training] (x2)
Snowtrooper Commander (x2)
Toryn Farr (x2)
Wedge Antilles [Snowspeeder Pilot] (x2)
Darth Vader [Episode III] (x2)


Dack Ralter (VC07 repack) 2 per case!!! Is he really needed again?

Masterfett
01-24-2014, 12:18 PM
IMO the thing I like about the new case breakdown, is that now people can go in on it together and split the cost! Finally a case that can be equally divided up between two people!

Trooper31
01-24-2014, 12:53 PM
That is a bonus about this. I'm not sure how much these cases are running, but having to buy only 6 figures is easier to swallow than 12 figures with doubles of what nobody wants. No driving around from store to store to find what you need unless you want a specific double and 2x army builder repacks is a bonus as well in case one person only wants the new figures.

Oddball_Fett
01-24-2014, 03:17 PM
From the early UK trade list the assortment for wave 4 is

Luke Skywalker [Dagobah Training] (x2)
Yoda [Dagobah Training] (x2)
Snowtrooper Commander (x2)
Toryn Farr (x2)
Wedge Antilles [Snowspeeder Pilot] (x2)
Darth Vader [Episode III] (x2)


Dack Ralter (VC07 repack) 2 per case!!! Is he really needed again?

Maybe not for those who already have him, but I haven't so it's good news for me. At least worst comes to the worst it could be useful who want some snowspeeder pilot customs maybe. Other than (yet another) Vader I want everything you just listed.

Snaggletooth
01-24-2014, 03:34 PM
Maybe not for those who already have him, but I haven't so it's good news for me. At least worst comes to the worst it could be useful who want some snowspeeder pilot customs maybe. Other than (yet another) Vader I want everything you just listed.BTW, which ROTS Vader do we think this is? The "NOOOOOO!" Vader with a voice chip? :) Or a repack of VC13 Anakin/Vader/Sith Eyes?

Or build-a-Vader, with burned Anakin and the various armor pieces? Have they ever done this?

Michael_Knight
01-24-2014, 03:39 PM
BTW, which ROTS Vader do we think this is? The "NOOOOOO!" Vader with a voice chip? :) Or a repack of VC13 Anakin/Vader/Sith Eyes?

Or build-a-Vader, with burned Anakin and the various armor pieces? Have they ever done this?

It's probably this one shown at Celebration. Nothing too special except he has BJ hips now.

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1375793_10151730638887153_1604075611_n.jpg

OdinsDad
01-24-2014, 05:13 PM
that thing is terrible

Droidworld
01-24-2014, 05:22 PM
Hope Vader doesn't have two left legs, like the prototype.

rrighteous
01-24-2014, 05:49 PM
Hope Vader doesn't have two left legs, like the prototype.

If he did though, that would be epic and he could forever be known as "two left leg vader" to go alongside monkeyface leia and whatever that monstrosity of a death star II duel look with the yelling action feature is called.

JediMerc
01-24-2014, 06:03 PM
That Vader is atrocious. I hope there is some major retooling going on between when that piece of **** was shown last year and when it's released, purely so it's attractive enough to others so it won't clog the pegs. I have absolutely no intention of buying that figure. (We already got a far superior, ball-jointed hips EpIV Vader in TVC.)

EnigmaticOne
01-25-2014, 12:38 AM
I want to get it... Lol

I like the Joe articulation, and would like to mess around with the articulation. It will still be my
first Vader fig, so no biggie on my part.

Droidworld
01-25-2014, 01:54 AM
that thing is terrible

I do believe, that even with its "superior" articulation, this is one of the worst looking Vaders in a while.

SGT_A
01-25-2014, 02:04 AM
That Vader is atrocious. I hope there is some major retooling going on between when that piece of **** was shown last year and when it's released, purely so it's attractive enough to others so it won't clog the pegs. I have absolutely no intention of buying that figure. (We already got a far superior, ball-jointed hips EpIV Vader in TVC.)

But he can hold his saber in his right hand now, so you HAVE to get him now, lol. This figure is crap, I agree about VC93 though, one of my favorite figures to date.

Mike_S
01-25-2014, 03:23 AM
At least they got rid of that RIDICULOUS silver chain - that thing was a joke.
But that doesn't excuse the stooopid ball jointed legs.

Masterfett
01-25-2014, 01:26 PM
Yeah he does look atrocious, G.I. Joe meets SW! I always said if they ever adopt Joe style articualtion on SW figures, that I'm out. Well I guess that means I have to leave Collecting behind, whether I like it or not! Or does it mean I can just pass on those figures?

CMDR_Appo
01-25-2014, 04:49 PM
I think he's just suffering from prototype syndrome. Like the ARF Trooper, VC Ahsoka and others, their prototypes just haven 't been refined and perfected yet. Come release, I expect it to look way better like these past figures have.

darth_sidious
01-25-2014, 05:57 PM
Yes, its a prototype - the joint pegs aren't even fully in the sockets - the final product will likely look much better.

lordtyrannus
01-25-2014, 08:10 PM
Yes, its a prototype - the joint pegs aren't even fully in the sockets - the final product will likely look much better.

Yeah, Luke looks like a good sneeze would make him explode.

mandalorehunter
01-29-2014, 06:48 PM
The more updated rumor list just makes me mad. I want Bastila Shan and Dak Ralter reissued. I wonder where that rumor even came from? I would hope there could be some truth to the origin of that rumor.

R1G4R3PO
01-29-2014, 07:24 PM
The more updated rumor list just makes me mad. I want Bastila Shan and Dak Ralter reissued. I wonder where that rumor even came from? I would hope there could be some truth to the origin of that rumor.

well just because the bastilla repack rumor posted first, doesnt nessessarily mean the 2nd rumor was an update to bastilla rumor. The 2nd posting could been just a found list of original plan...time will tell in a few weeks hopefully

DarthJefe
01-29-2014, 09:12 PM
That Vader is atrocious. I hope there is some major retooling going on between when that piece of **** was shown last year and when it's released, purely so it's attractive enough to others so it won't clog the pegs. I have absolutely no intention of buying that figure. (We already got a far superior, ball-jointed hips EpIV Vader in TVC.)

Even "crappy" SA Vaders have never clogged the pegs.

Trooper31
01-30-2014, 05:44 AM
Even "crappy" SA Vaders have never clogged the pegs.

Well, there's always a first time for everything, right?

CMDR_Appo
01-30-2014, 05:48 AM
The exception here being the mission series pack here. That thing is in multiples everywhere at the moment :(

Trooper31
01-30-2014, 08:29 AM
You don't need to worry about that because that line is for kids.

BlackRook
01-30-2014, 04:21 PM
Even "crappy" SA Vaders have never clogged the pegs.
Hasbro has gotten pretty good about not over-packing Vader, but let's not forget that the reason for this is because of how oversaturated Vader was in 2006.

mandalorehunter
01-30-2014, 04:43 PM
well just because the bastilla repack rumor posted first, doesnt nessessarily mean the 2nd rumor was an update to bastilla rumor. The 2nd posting could been just a found list of original plan...time will tell in a few weeks hopefully

I guess I just won't keep my hopes up anymore.

JediMerc
01-30-2014, 10:07 PM
Even "crappy" SA Vaders have never clogged the pegs.

That most certainly isn't the case in the retail stores around me. The wave 1 Bespin Vader can be found in multiples just about everywhere...and that is far superior, IMO, than this upcoming EpIII Vader.

Maynard
01-30-2014, 10:50 PM
All of the waves described above seem as if there is a feeling of at least one thing wrong with a them. The initial reports near the top of the page that list rumors for both lists 4 and 5 seems strange because of the following:
---The figure printed in that wave 4 have nothing that would fly off the pegs besides Vader.
---and on the flip side, it seems that wave 5 is waaaaaay overloaded with figures that would fly off the shelves very quickly due to the fact that it is filled with "popular" figures that would appeal to BOTH collectors and kids: ie Luke, Yoda, Snowtrooper, Toryn Farr, Bastilla. The majority of those figures would have double the demand for every figure on that list. Whereas besides, Vader, that wave 4 list has nothing that that would be cross-purchased. Besides the Vader, it is basically 100% collector-based wave.

Thus, I'll wait for an actual Hasbro statement before making a decision on which/what/any to order.

SaberSonic83
01-31-2014, 05:39 PM
Christ, is this wave EVER coming!? WTH, the last waves were out with a little over a month's time between them and now we get what, 3 months wait for this one? It's ever so ridiculous, screw you Hasbro!

CMDR_Appo
01-31-2014, 06:05 PM
Wave 4 is slated for Feb/March release as has always been the case. The 'problem' is that we got all the others too early. Wave 3 was meant for Jan, 2 for November, and 1 for September. Instead we got them all a month early, so ultimately there's nothing wrong.

Plus, they may be holding such early release this time, to keep this year's schedule on track and to reveal proper photos at Toyfair.

BlackRook
01-31-2014, 10:56 PM
Instead we got them all a month early.
Maybe you did. Some of us still haven't seen wave 2 in the wild.

my_kind_of_scum
02-01-2014, 12:28 AM
Maybe you did. Some of us still haven't seen wave 2 in the wild.

Yep. Thank God for internet commerce.

CMDR_Appo
02-01-2014, 06:38 AM
Maybe you did. Some of us still haven't seen wave 2 in the wild.

I didn't actually. A lot of others did though, and most of those are the people now going 'we haven't had stuff in ages' which is what happens when you get ahead of everyone else. My area has been getting black series on schedule pretty much, but many others have had them way earlier.

parintachin73
02-01-2014, 08:39 AM
I have yet to see a single wave 3 figure anywhere around me (NY). In fact I've only seen wave 2, 3.75" that is, once, at a Target. I had a half day at work yesterday so I stopped off at the local comic shops to see if they had anything of interest. They had all the new Mission/Saga Legends 5 POA stuff, but just wave 1 of the black series.
As others have said, thank god for e-commerce!

lordtyrannus
02-01-2014, 08:58 AM
Here in SC, were I relying on retail, I'd have wave 1 of both 3.75" lines, and that's IT. Hasbro says they couldn't sell exclusively online, which makes me laugh because that's what they've been doing for 2+ years!

Masterfett
02-01-2014, 12:10 PM
Heck I don't even shop for SW anymore! When I hear about a certain figure hitting, then I go online and buy it. Seems the old days are truly gone, and maybe that's part of the problem.

SaberSonic83
02-01-2014, 04:31 PM
So my Wal-Mart says they don't sell Star Wars anymore. I cannot believe that day has come. I can't even get the BS there anymore let alone a crappy Saga Legends.....I don't even think the Angry Birds exist there either.

mandalorehunter
02-01-2014, 11:40 PM
I noticed on Jedi Temple news that hasbro requested the removal of that supposed list for the black series. Is this more than likely because the list was accurate or because it was false?

MajorGibroni
02-02-2014, 01:23 AM
Clone Trooper 41st Elite Corps (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098859/)
Darth Vader - ROTS (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098858/)
Luke Skywalker - Jedi Training (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098853/)
Snowtrooper Commander (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098857/)
Toryn Farr (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1010836/)
Voren Na'al - ANH Medal Bearer (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1095654/)
Wedge Antilles - Snowspeeder Pilot (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098856/)
Yoda - Jedi Training (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1098849/)



Whatever happened to the realistic VC Captain Rex that was supposed to be released last year? I had hopes that he would show up in wave 4 of the Black Series. :rolleyes:

TK_842
02-02-2014, 09:45 AM
Don't give up. There are still a few waves (supposedly) coming this year. He might show up later on.

jedimasterc
02-02-2014, 12:31 PM
So my Wal-Mart says they don't sell Star Wars anymore. I cannot believe that day has come. I can't even get the BS there anymore let alone a crappy Saga Legends.....I don't even think the Angry Birds exist there either.

Yeah it amazes me that Walmart will drop the Star Wars line but will keep other crappy lines line Bayblade. Which really peg warms.

Masterfett
02-02-2014, 02:48 PM
Yeah it amazes me that Walmart will drop the Star Wars line but will keep other crappy lines line Bayblade. Which really peg warms.
I don't really think Bayblade pegwarms, they just constantly get replenished. At least more than SW does!

Idpullthecurtain
02-02-2014, 03:26 PM
I don't really think Bayblade pegwarms, they just constantly get replenished. At least more than SW does!

I think that is the key. Hasbro's replenishment is incredible.

Until that last few years, Hasbro and SW is all I have known in the toy world. And because its been so bad the whole time (if you live in the UK) I always assumed there was something inherently difficult about keeping toy products on shelves. I mean after all, ALL retailers had trouble, none could manage it.

However in the past 3 years ish, I have been following LEGO quite closely. And they have no trouble whatsoever getting new product out and available. LEGO does it without problems always, yet Hasbro cannot do it much at all.
What are they up to, and how do they stay such a big company?

Internets
02-02-2014, 03:30 PM
And because its been so bad the whole time (if you live in the UK)

Weirdly, I'm having no problems at all with the Black Series figures. I've seen multiples of everyone and have had no problem picking up the characters I want.

Idpullthecurtain
02-02-2014, 03:33 PM
Weirdly, I'm having no problems at all with the Black Series figures. I've seen multiples of everyone and have had no problem picking up the characters I want.

True. But that doesn't happen often. And it is the first few waves for how many months.......

BlackRook
02-02-2014, 05:02 PM
I don't really think Bayblade pegwarms, they just constantly get replenished. At least more than SW does!

From what I understand the line is still pretty popular with kids. Also if you've been to a Walmart that has that annoying Beywarriors display that loudly raps at anyone that comes anywhere near it, you have Hasbro to blame for that! Christ I hate that thing. I've even tried slowly walking past it to avoid setting off whatever motion sensor it has, but nope, every ****ing time, "WAGGAG GLORY BZZZTAA STORY VZVZVEEEEEEEAAAAA"

Michael_Knight
02-02-2014, 06:51 PM
^Oh lordy! Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to avoid Walmart until that is gone.

mandalorehunter
02-02-2014, 09:59 PM
I am happy to say I have never encountered that beyblade rapping thing.

bobbyjack
02-03-2014, 08:38 AM
^^^You're lucky. It is horrible. Even my kids don't like it.

jedimasterc
02-03-2014, 12:24 PM
If anyone from the RS staff goes to toyfair, bombard Hasbro with questions about the still bad distribution.

R1G4R3PO
02-03-2014, 12:42 PM
speaking of toyfair, does anyone think it's possible hasbro may allow preorders once tf ends or at least after thier presentaion?

Masterfett
02-03-2014, 01:40 PM
Even with the high prices for some Lego sets, they never seem to have a problem selling out. Their counters almost always seem about 80% empty.


If anyone from the RS staff goes to toyfair, bombard Hasbro with questions about the still bad distribution.
I'm sure that they are quite tired with that question, and probably just respond with "we're looking into it". Just like they do every other time it's asked.

SaberSonic83
02-03-2014, 06:17 PM
Still, frequency cannot be ignored and it at least draw warranted attention to a preposterous problem within a huge company that should know better.

jedimasterc
02-03-2014, 07:56 PM
Yeah, our voices have to be heard. I mean Walmart dropping the Star Wars figures(Black series) and refuse to sell them is illegal.

SaberSonic83
02-03-2014, 09:52 PM
Yeah, our voices have to be heard. I mean Walmart dropping the Star Wars figures(Black series) and refuse to sell them is illegal.

I just cannot believe I can't go to a freakin' store and buy a toy that I want. That's just ridiculous anymore and on par with what happened to CD stores in this decade. Are action figures going to be going digital now too, Hasbro?

CMDR_Appo
02-04-2014, 02:39 AM
This has been pretty much the case in my area for as long as I can remember. Local supermarkets have never stocked consistently ( often leaving gaps of no stock at all), so I've always had to rely on specialised toyshops or collector based shops. Not being able to find stuff in a 'normal' shop is something I'm used to here lol.

CommanderDestiny
02-04-2014, 05:31 AM
Every time I go to get figures it's all the left overs from 2012 and just stuff that nobody will buy which sucks so f****** much!!!! Only other option is eBay though everything is too expensive

my_kind_of_scum
02-04-2014, 10:35 AM
Yeah, our voices have to be heard. I mean Walmart dropping the Star Wars figures(Black series) and refuse to sell them is illegal.

Walmart dropped the Black Series? Are you talking about the 6" line?


Every time I go to get figures it's all the left overs from 2012 and just stuff that nobody will buy which sucks so f****** much!!!! Only other option is eBay though everything is too expensive

I haven't seen figures from 2012 in a long, long time. That sucks that there's still a buildup there.

R1G4R3PO
02-04-2014, 10:47 AM
Yeah, our voices have to be heard. I mean Walmart dropping the Star Wars figures(Black series) and refuse to sell them is illegal.

illegal??!....oh, as in like this...In some town in Nevada, it is illegal for men who have mustaches to kiss women?

Internets
02-04-2014, 10:57 AM
This has been pretty much the case in my area for as long as I can remember. Local supermarkets have never stocked consistently

Oh, I duno... My local supermarkets consistently stock the shelves with 5 POA SAGA Legends / Mission Series rubbish.

CMDR_Appo
02-04-2014, 01:57 PM
Oh, I duno... My local supermarkets consistently stock the shelves with 5 POA SAGA Legends / Mission Series rubbish.

Well sure, atm it's like that, but before now, my area was void of SW minus toyshops. Last I saw was wave 3 of '06s Saga Collection until this years stuff. They never even had the whole darth maul packaging overflow-my supermarkets just don't stock SW which is just odd considering their sizes and what other people reportedly found.
Actual toyshops have always had SW though, but I rarely got out to them at the time.

_Darren_
02-04-2014, 03:13 PM
I think that is the key. Hasbro's replenishment is incredible.

Until that last few years, Hasbro and SW is all I have known in the toy world. And because its been so bad the whole time (if you live in the UK) I always assumed there was something inherently difficult about keeping toy products on shelves. I mean after all, ALL retailers had trouble, none could manage it.

However in the past 3 years ish, I have been following LEGO quite closely. And they have no trouble whatsoever getting new product out and available. LEGO does it without problems always, yet Hasbro cannot do it much at all.
What are they up to, and how do they stay such a big company?

QFT.....

as a toy collector(who one day will be Toy stockist)I have diligently studied other lines as well as the ones I collect. Lego has grown and continues to break records whilst the SW aisles and sections have shrank considerably. It's model is specific,focused and always available(except after Christmas!!!)which is when the new lines appear.

The sheer square footage retailers,Supermarkets and even independants are devoting to Denmarks finest is nothing short of staggering.....

Hasbro ought to be ashamed of itself....not just with Star Wars,but with other choices across their many lines,from board games to transformers.........


They seem to be mis-managing many of their former cash cows.....all since DDPs appointment as brand manager.

Darren

SaberSonic83
02-04-2014, 07:55 PM
In complete agreement Darren, they are fools at Hasbro, this is for sure.

BlackRook
02-06-2014, 11:13 PM
Walmart dropped the Black Series? Are you talking about the 6" line?

I'm not sure if he's referring to the rumor that Walmart as a chain is dropping TBS (which is bogus) or referring to individual Walmart stores no longer having it (which is something that's actually happening). Quite a few stores are also putting Saga Legends on clearance, too. Not necessarily a bad thing, but Walmart is notorious for not putting toys on clearance unless they absolutely have to, and even then, just putting a big red sticker on the package but keeping the price exactly the same. If they're actually putting it on clearance for a low price they really want to get rid of it.

Droidworld
02-17-2014, 01:40 AM
According to JTA:


The Black Series 3.75" Wave 4 (2014) (Release Date: May 1, 2014) - orange/black packaging
Yoda (Jedi Training)
Snowtrooper Commander
Toryn Farr
Dack Ralter (The Vintage Collection carry-forward)
Bastila Shan (The Vintage Collection carry-forward)


The Black Series 3.75" Wave 5 (2014) (Release Date: July 1, 2014) - orange/black packaging
Darth Vader (Episode III)
Wedge Antilles (Snowspeeder Pilot)
Ree-Yees
Sergeant Doallyn (Skiff Guard)
AT-RT Driver (The Vintage Collection carry-forward)
Republic Trooper (The Vintage Collection carry-forward)


The Black Series 3.75" Wave 6 (2014) (Release Date: August/September 2014) - blue/black packaging
R5-G19
Luke Skywalker (Wampa Attack)
Darth Malgus (The Vintage Collection carry-forward)
Starkiller (The Vintage Collection carry-forward)
(Yoda and Darth Vader Episode III will be carry-forward into this wave as well)



Not a fan of the EU repacks, and odd that Hasbro is getting away with them, since Disney is killing most EU. Glad it's six figures showing up...hopefully doubled up per case.

CMDR_Appo
02-17-2014, 07:39 AM
Hasbro are allowed EU as long as they're pre-exsisting figures, which is why they're getting away with it. I seriously can't see that list beeing true at all yet, but if it is, everyone should finally be able to get their sought after EU guys. I mean Starkiller is still going for extortionate prices online as is the Rep Trooper. Even the AT-RT drivers aren't cheap, so i get the logic in their re-releases, but I just don't see hasbro doing it.

Trooper31
02-17-2014, 09:34 AM
I'm assuming that they left the Dagobah Luke off the list for wave 4 by accident. I hope wave 4 stays that way because the Luke, Yoda, Snowtrooper commander, and Torynn are ones I'd like to get sooner rather than later.

I'm not really sure that an E3 Vader needs to be cf'd into wave 6. The repacks are ok, so people have another shot at those figures, although I think there are other TVC figures that would be better than the AT-RT Driver, Malgus, and Dack

DarthJefe
02-17-2014, 10:22 AM
Dak is going for bank on eBay, and even the AT-RT Driver isn't cheap. Malgus, even with the Five Below influx, is still on average double his MSRP. I think we'll see a few other hot TVC figures be carried forward. Vader always sells, so I won't complain about him being carried forward. Right now, wave 4 looks solid, though I don't need Dak or Bastila. Toryn's all new (even if the figure's kitbashed), Snowtrooper is a great-looking army builder, and Yoda and (presumably) Luke are great companion pieces.

redwillow
04-22-2014, 06:49 AM
Up on amazon for pre order.
toryn farr
Amazon.com: Star Wars The Black Series Toryn Farr Figure - 3.75 Inches: Toys & Games (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Black-Series-Figure/dp/B00CG5X1I0/ref=sr_1_1?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1398167088&sr=1-1&keywords=Toryn+farr)

luke
Amazon.com: Star Wars The Black Series Luke Skywalker Figure - 3.75 Inches: Toys & Games (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Series-Skywalker-Figure/dp/B00CG5X0FY/ref=pd_sim_sbs_t_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ZE9K5XS08RY6QA85FC3)

Snowtrooper cmdr
Amazon.com: Star Wars The Black Series Snowtrooper Commander Figure - 3.75 Inches: Toys & Games (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Series-Snowtrooper-Commander/dp/B00CG5X1OY/ref=sr_1_2?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1398167114&sr=1-2&keywords=Toryn+farr)

Yoda, dak and bastila are not showing as available through amazon, they're prob sold out already.

11385150
04-22-2014, 10:51 AM
[QUOTEYoda, dak and bastila are not showing as available through amazon, they're prob sold out already.[/QUOTE]

Yoda and Dak sold out before Snowtrooper and Toryn? I doubt it.
More likely they putting them up one by one.

LetoQuorme
04-22-2014, 12:07 PM
Thanks for the heads up, I just put my preorder in for Toryn Farr and the Stormtrooper Commander.

R1G4R3PO
04-22-2014, 02:30 PM
amazon pre-orders eta 7/2014?? seriously, feb, then may, then june then july? i know the dates are arbiitrary but still you'd think different sites would have dates close to one another...does hasbro even know? lol
well anyway, i preordered elsewhere weeks ago. personally i dont fully trust amazon's release dates for non-media items.. When i first saw a new post in this thread, i thought, it was for an asian sighting...but it was just news that amazon posted some of them

AaylaSecurasMan
04-22-2014, 02:54 PM
Pre-ordered Toryn, Snowie and Luke from Amazon and canceled my 1/2 case from BBTS as I didn't need Bastilla nor Dak. I will have to hunt for Yoda later.

redwillow
04-22-2014, 03:04 PM
ok guys, let me disclaim the amazon info with this:

I have no idea on their dates. I have received pre-order stuff from them before OR after their estimated date, but in the past I have not seen them shipped from amazon until AFTER toy stores get them. So if you are in a super hurry and want them first, amazon may not be for you.

Amazon's packaging is sometimes not great, and they may not even use a box to send your figure in, just an envelope or folded carboard. If you need them in perfect carded, mint condition, undented bubble, etc...amazon may not be for you.

In the past, with their pre-orders I have seen they listed all that come in a case within a few hours (or minutes) of each other. I don't know when these originally showed up on their site. It could have been as long as a couple days ago (the last time I checked before this morning). They sometimes show up available again as they order more or get more allocated. So I suggest checking back for the ones not available now, they may show up on there....they may not.

Happy hunting.

redwillow
04-23-2014, 11:38 AM
....just checked and yoda is now up on amazon at:
Amazon.com: Star Wars The Black Series Yoda Figure - 3.75 Inches: Toys & Games (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Black-Series-Figure/dp/B00CG5X0FO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_t_7?ie=UTF8&refRID=1Q35BPMB1WY6TKKR1CWY)



Yoda and Dak sold out before Snowtrooper and Toryn? I doubt it.
More likely they putting them up one by one. looks like you may be right.

CGBSpender
04-25-2014, 08:46 AM
Both Dak and Bastila are up too:
Amazon.com: Star Wars The Black Series Dak Ralter Figure, 3.75": Toys & Games (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Series-Ralter-Figure/dp/B00JEQNUJO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398433538&sr=8-1&keywords=black+series+dak)
Amazon.com: Star Wars The Black Series Bastila Shan Figure, 3.75": Toys & Games (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Series-Bastila-Figure/dp/B00JEQL41U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398433548&sr=8-1&keywords=black+series+shan)

xMostWanted559x
04-25-2014, 11:34 PM
Is this snow trooper a new mold

mskywalker1969
04-26-2014, 08:25 AM
Is this snow trooper a new mold
Yes, this is a completely new figure.

ZX3
04-26-2014, 03:58 PM
ok guys, let me disclaim the amazon info with this:

I have no idea on their dates. I have received pre-order stuff from them before OR after their estimated date, but in the past I have not seen them shipped from amazon until AFTER toy stores get them. So if you are in a super hurry and want them first, amazon may not be for you.

Amazon's packaging is sometimes not great, and they may not even use a box to send your figure in, just an envelope or folded carboard. If you need them in perfect carded, mint condition, undented bubble, etc...amazon may not be for you.

In the past, with their pre-orders I have seen they listed all that come in a case within a few hours (or minutes) of each other. I don't know when these originally showed up on their site. It could have been as long as a couple days ago (the last time I checked before this morning). They sometimes show up available again as they order more or get more allocated. So I suggest checking back for the ones not available now, they may show up on there....they may not.

Happy hunting.

I have almost always gotten my Amazon pre-orders before I have seen the figures in the store.
It should also be emphasized I got them- no wondering if I missed something at a store, no second guessing, no finding all but one and then hunting all over for the hot figure.
The hunt was fun once upon a time, but with distribution as it is I'll take a minor and mostly nonexistent wait of an Amazon pre-order with free Prime shipping and no sales tax over never finding a figure in the wild.

Maynard
06-12-2014, 09:20 PM
I was under the impression that this wave had just 4 new figures in it:
--Dagobah Luke
--Dagobah Yoda w/backpack
--Toryn Farr
--Snowtrooper Commander

However, Ive read at a few different sites that there is an upcoming case (not exactly sure what the Case or Wave # was), that had all 4 of those figures named above, however, packed in the case along with them were:
--EpIII Vader
--Ree-Yees
--Sergeant Doalyn (sp?)

Being that the initial 4 figures I listed above have been referred to as "Wave 4", does that case I mentioned sound as if it were simply the following wave (Wave 5, which possibly only 3 new figures), and the others were just carry overs?

Or has the case lineup had been changed altogether? Any help?

R1G4R3PO
06-12-2014, 09:27 PM
^ you are correct except you forgot a 4th fig in wv5... Snowspeeder wedge antilles

Maynard
06-13-2014, 07:34 AM
Ah yes, I did forget Wedge. Ok, so the top 4 figures I listed are just wave 4 and the bottom list(plus Snowspdr Wedge) are simply Wave 5 then. So the case variation I saw was simply a Wave 5 case w/wave 4 carry overs in it. Got it!. Thanks for the help/answer R1G4R3PO.

Master_M_M
06-25-2014, 01:38 PM
Black Series Wave 4 on sale now here in Hong Kong!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10438617_780916731952358_5171977084410185813_n.jpg

Trooper31
06-26-2014, 04:26 AM
glad to hear These are starting to show up somewhere.

DarthBurgundy
06-26-2014, 11:44 AM
glad to hear These are starting to show up somewhere.
so when do the Dorkside orders ship??

CMDR_Appo
06-26-2014, 12:52 PM
Jeez guys you lot are eager. If they're only just showing up in HK now which is relatively close to production sites, it will still be a few weeks before they circulate around the world. You'll be talking mid July for full order circulation.

redwillow
06-26-2014, 01:40 PM
If they're only just showing up in HK now which is relatively close to production sites some US toy stores have them now

R1G4R3PO
06-26-2014, 01:51 PM
some US toy stores have them now

may i ask which ones?

redwillow
06-26-2014, 02:16 PM
may i ask which ones?
Toryn Farr Star Wars Black Series 3 75" Wave 4 Hasbro Brand New in Stock | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TORYN-FARR-Star-Wars-Black-Series-3-75-034-Wave-4-Hasbro-BRAND-NEW-IN-STOCK-/151333679089?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item233c30aff1&nma=true&si=QSUO2pnxwltmJwc2xp%252BC0fwvezI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

R1G4R3PO
06-26-2014, 02:20 PM
* 0h silly me, i thought you meant a physical retail store, not ebay